Re: Where are my translations?
Hi David 2010/6/4 David Planella : >> I thought that if you fixed something for ubuntu/lucid in >> Rosetta, then that fix would be in the next langpack update. >> > > That's exactly how it works, what makes you think it doesn't? > > During the development cycle language packs are released very frequently > (more or less weekly), so you can see the updates in translations going > into the system quite often. > > However, after release, language pack updates are not that frequent. > > The reason why your translation updates are not visible yet is because > we haven't released any post-release language pack update yet, and you > fixed the typo after the last language pack. Blimey, I could have sworn I saw some language pack update in May, but it's not in the logs, so I must have been hallucinating. Apparently everything works the way it should. Thank you, and apologies for all the confusion. Regards Ask -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
Hi Ask, El dj 03 de 06 de 2010 a les 18:48 +0200, en/na Ask Hjorth Larsen va escriure: > Hi David > > 2010/6/2 David Planella : > > Hi Ask, > > > > El dc 02 de 06 de 2010 a les 13:05 +0200, en/na Ask Hjorth Larsen va > > escriure: > >> Hi David > >> > >> Thank you very much for the explanation of how strings propagate to > >> Ubuntu. I have a few extra questions though. > >> > >> 2010/6/2 David Planella : > >> (...) > >> > GNOME Translator translates Empathy documentation > >> > > >> >| > >> >v > >> > > >> > GNOME Translation team member commits translation to git.gnome.org after > >> > review > >> > > >> >| > >> >v > >> > > >> > Empathy tarball (empathy-.tar.gz) is released from [1], > >> > containing all those translations > >> > > >> >| > >> >v > >> > > >> > The empathy tarball is packaged for Ubuntu > >> > >> Who does this, and how frequently? (In rough terms) > > > > Upstream maintainers, how frequently depends on the project release > > schedule. Focusing in GNOME as our major upstream and as an easy > > example: GNOME maintainers, (very roughly) every couple of weeks during > > the development cycle. Basically, every time you see "unstable release" > > on the timeline. > > > > http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone > > > > There are other upstreams which are packaged in Debian first, so there > > is another step in between (Debian packages -> Ubuntu packages) > > > >> > >> >| > >> >v > >> > > >> > Translations are imported into Launchpad > >> > >> By a computer or a human? Does this automatically happen after the > >> packaging? > >> > > > > Ubuntu developers as humans (some might argue that some of them are > > superhumans) create the packages and upload them to the archive. > > Launchpad (the Soyuz component) picks them up and imports translations > > automatically. > > > >> >| > >> >v > >> > > >> > Translations are released as language packs > >> > >> Do you know the flow for ordinary, translatable-in-Rosetta strings? > > > > If I understand your question correctly, it's exactly the same (saving > > known exceptions such as the installer), only that for Ubuntu-specific > > applications upstreams are generally hosted in Launchpad. But that does > > not change the workflow: release (developers) -> packages (packagers) -> > > package upload (packagers) -> translation importing (Launchpad). > > > >> I'm mostly interested in who does what and how often, since that is > >> what I have to know in order to make sure that the translations get > >> through the system > > > > I hope that gave an overview. This is the (very) generic workflow, but > > we do have many upstreams, and there are always some exceptions. > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > >> (I recently opened a bug report because a > >> particular fix didn't make it into the langpack update in spite of > >> having been fixed in Rosetta well before). > >> > > > > If you provide more details and the bug number, I'm sure we can find out > > what happened. > > Adi Roiban already me with this: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/581403 > > Admittedly it isn't entirely clear to me why a bug report is > necessary. It isn't necessary to file a bug report, especially if you can fix it, the recommended path is just fix it. Generally such bug reports are filed by users not familiar with translations, who see a typo or a spelling mistake and report them. Then we assign the bug to the relevant translation team, and translators take care of fixing them. > I thought that if you fixed something for ubuntu/lucid in > Rosetta, then that fix would be in the next langpack update. > That's exactly how it works, what makes you think it doesn't? During the development cycle language packs are released very frequently (more or less weekly), so you can see the updates in translations going into the system quite often. However, after release, language pack updates are not that frequent. The reason why your translation updates are not visible yet is because we haven't released any post-release language pack update yet, and you fixed the typo after the last language pack. I'd recommend you to read the following documentation, where such things are explained in detail: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TranslationLifecycle There are more documents which you might find useful here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/ And of course, everyone is welcome to expand and complete the documentation there. In any case, you should always feel free to ask on the list as usual. > Since that isn't the case, what actually goes into a langpack update? > Only things with bug reports? > Everything you translate in Launchpad prior to the language pack update. Regards, David. -- David Planella Ubuntu Translations Coordinator david(dot)planella(at)ubuntu(dot)com www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge signada digitalment -- ubuntu-transl
Re: Where are my translations?
Hi David 2010/6/2 David Planella : > Hi Ask, > > El dc 02 de 06 de 2010 a les 13:05 +0200, en/na Ask Hjorth Larsen va > escriure: >> Hi David >> >> Thank you very much for the explanation of how strings propagate to >> Ubuntu. I have a few extra questions though. >> >> 2010/6/2 David Planella : >> (...) >> > GNOME Translator translates Empathy documentation >> > >> > | >> > v >> > >> > GNOME Translation team member commits translation to git.gnome.org after >> > review >> > >> > | >> > v >> > >> > Empathy tarball (empathy-.tar.gz) is released from [1], >> > containing all those translations >> > >> > | >> > v >> > >> > The empathy tarball is packaged for Ubuntu >> >> Who does this, and how frequently? (In rough terms) > > Upstream maintainers, how frequently depends on the project release > schedule. Focusing in GNOME as our major upstream and as an easy > example: GNOME maintainers, (very roughly) every couple of weeks during > the development cycle. Basically, every time you see "unstable release" > on the timeline. > > http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone > > There are other upstreams which are packaged in Debian first, so there > is another step in between (Debian packages -> Ubuntu packages) > >> >> > | >> > v >> > >> > Translations are imported into Launchpad >> >> By a computer or a human? Does this automatically happen after the >> packaging? >> > > Ubuntu developers as humans (some might argue that some of them are > superhumans) create the packages and upload them to the archive. > Launchpad (the Soyuz component) picks them up and imports translations > automatically. > >> > | >> > v >> > >> > Translations are released as language packs >> >> Do you know the flow for ordinary, translatable-in-Rosetta strings? > > If I understand your question correctly, it's exactly the same (saving > known exceptions such as the installer), only that for Ubuntu-specific > applications upstreams are generally hosted in Launchpad. But that does > not change the workflow: release (developers) -> packages (packagers) -> > package upload (packagers) -> translation importing (Launchpad). > >> I'm mostly interested in who does what and how often, since that is >> what I have to know in order to make sure that the translations get >> through the system > > I hope that gave an overview. This is the (very) generic workflow, but > we do have many upstreams, and there are always some exceptions. Thank you for the explanation. > >> (I recently opened a bug report because a >> particular fix didn't make it into the langpack update in spite of >> having been fixed in Rosetta well before). >> > > If you provide more details and the bug number, I'm sure we can find out > what happened. Adi Roiban already me with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/581403 Admittedly it isn't entirely clear to me why a bug report is necessary. I thought that if you fixed something for ubuntu/lucid in Rosetta, then that fix would be in the next langpack update. Since that isn't the case, what actually goes into a langpack update? Only things with bug reports? Best regards Ask -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
Hi Ask, El dc 02 de 06 de 2010 a les 13:05 +0200, en/na Ask Hjorth Larsen va escriure: > Hi David > > Thank you very much for the explanation of how strings propagate to > Ubuntu. I have a few extra questions though. > > 2010/6/2 David Planella : > (...) > > GNOME Translator translates Empathy documentation > > > >| > >v > > > > GNOME Translation team member commits translation to git.gnome.org after > > review > > > >| > >v > > > > Empathy tarball (empathy-.tar.gz) is released from [1], > > containing all those translations > > > >| > >v > > > > The empathy tarball is packaged for Ubuntu > > Who does this, and how frequently? (In rough terms) Upstream maintainers, how frequently depends on the project release schedule. Focusing in GNOME as our major upstream and as an easy example: GNOME maintainers, (very roughly) every couple of weeks during the development cycle. Basically, every time you see "unstable release" on the timeline. http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone There are other upstreams which are packaged in Debian first, so there is another step in between (Debian packages -> Ubuntu packages) > > >| > >v > > > > Translations are imported into Launchpad > > By a computer or a human? Does this automatically happen after the packaging? > Ubuntu developers as humans (some might argue that some of them are superhumans) create the packages and upload them to the archive. Launchpad (the Soyuz component) picks them up and imports translations automatically. > >| > >v > > > > Translations are released as language packs > > Do you know the flow for ordinary, translatable-in-Rosetta strings? If I understand your question correctly, it's exactly the same (saving known exceptions such as the installer), only that for Ubuntu-specific applications upstreams are generally hosted in Launchpad. But that does not change the workflow: release (developers) -> packages (packagers) -> package upload (packagers) -> translation importing (Launchpad). > I'm mostly interested in who does what and how often, since that is > what I have to know in order to make sure that the translations get > through the system I hope that gave an overview. This is the (very) generic workflow, but we do have many upstreams, and there are always some exceptions. > (I recently opened a bug report because a > particular fix didn't make it into the langpack update in spite of > having been fixed in Rosetta well before). > If you provide more details and the bug number, I'm sure we can find out what happened. Thanks! Regards, David. -- David Planella Ubuntu Translations Coordinator david(dot)planella(at)ubuntu(dot)com www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge signada digitalment -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
Hi David Thank you very much for the explanation of how strings propagate to Ubuntu. I have a few extra questions though. 2010/6/2 David Planella : (...) > GNOME Translator translates Empathy documentation > > | > v > > GNOME Translation team member commits translation to git.gnome.org after > review > > | > v > > Empathy tarball (empathy-.tar.gz) is released from [1], > containing all those translations > > | > v > > The empathy tarball is packaged for Ubuntu Who does this, and how frequently? (In rough terms) > | > v > > Translations are imported into Launchpad By a computer or a human? Does this automatically happen after the packaging? > | > v > > Translations are released as language packs Do you know the flow for ordinary, translatable-in-Rosetta strings? I'm mostly interested in who does what and how often, since that is what I have to know in order to make sure that the translations get through the system (I recently opened a bug report because a particular fix didn't make it into the langpack update in spite of having been fixed in Rosetta well before). Best regards Ask -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
El dc 02 de 06 de 2010 a les 09:13 +0200, en/na Hannie Lafeber-Dumoleyn va escriure: > Dear David and Timo, > Yes, you were right. I thought I had translated the documentation, but > it appeared to be the GUI translations. > You say that documentation translations are done upstream (in this > case Gnome-NL). Yes, there is more info on http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/nl as well. > I want to translate Empathy (doc) for Gnome-NL for a start, but I > want to be sure it will be published in Ubuntu. Then I'd recommend getting in touch with the upstream team, get familiar with their workflow, ask them if someone is already working on that, and if not, get them to assign the task to you. > It is very difficult to track the path from translation to > publication. Which organization sees to it that documentation > translations are published (in this case the translation of a Gnome > application installed by default in Ubuntu Lucid Lynx)? I realise this is difficult for new contributors. Let me try to clarify the process in the particular case of documentation, as it seems it's the one you're interested in: GNOME Translator translates Empathy documentation | v GNOME Translation team member commits translation to git.gnome.org after review | v Empathy tarball (empathy-.tar.gz) is released from [1], containing all those translations | v The empathy tarball is packaged for Ubuntu | v Translations are imported into Launchpad | v Translations are released as language packs During the development cycle is when you'll see more translation activity and more syncs from upstream. That's when translation teams usually do their work, generally after string freeze [2] (Ubuntu's string freeze happens later) > Shouldn't there be a better co-operation between Ubuntu and > Gnome/KDE? Cooperation is a very broad term, but always welcome. Could you please expand on which kind of exact cooperation you are refering to or your are proposing? If you mean team cooperation, what we always recommend is that the Ubuntu and upstream teams get in touch, and that there is some involvement in both directions. Looking at the Dutch team, it seems that there are members both in upstream GNOME and in Ubuntu: http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/nl https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl/+members#active But that does not tell me how good the communication is within each particular team. Does the GNOME team has a mailing list, forum, etc. where translations are coordinated and discussed? Does the Ubuntu one have? > I think that Dutch users of Ubuntu would appreciate it if they get > Dutch translations when they look for help, especially with Gnome or > KDE applications that are installed by default in Ubuntu. > Regards, > Hannie > Most definitely! The important part to always remember is that we are a community, and that you or anyone else can contribute to improve this. Thanks! Regards, David. [1] ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/empathy/2.31/ [2] http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone > David Planella schreef: > > Hi Hannie, > > > > Timo already explained everything in great detail (thanks!), so I won't > > add anything there. > > > > El dl 31 de 05 de 2010 a les 08:05 +0200, en/na lafeber-dumoleyn2 va > > escriure: > > > > > Thank you for your answer, Timo. I had been told that the translations > > > were committed at gnome-nl; I didn't check if that was really the case. > > > I have forwarded this email to gnome-nl hoping they will be committed > > > soon. I have also checked the gedit documentation on Launchpad. It said > > > : translated 100 %. > > > > > > > There is no gedit documentation in Launchpad. What you might have seen > > is the translation for the Gedit application: > > > > https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gedit/+pots/gedit/nl/+translate > > > > We do not import translations of upstream documentation and expose them > > in Launchpad because we've got no infrastructure to build them. They are > > shipped 1:1 to what upstream provides. There are a couple of exceptions, > > such as the GNOME accessibility guide and the GNOME user guide, IIRC, > > but that's because we need them for ubuntu-docs. > > > > > > > But I still found a great deal of suggestions which > > > I have reviewed and accepted or rejected. I'm still not sure if it is > > > necessary to update the translation on Launchpad as well because I do > > > not know who publishes the documentation translations and where he or > > > she looks for them. > > > Hannie > > > > > > > > > > In the case of non-Ubuntu documentation, it's upstream in nearly all > > cases. > > > > Regards, > > David. > > > > > > > Op 30-05-10 18:26, Timo Jyrinki schreef: > > > > > > > 2010/5/27 lafeber-dumoleyn2: > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the > > > > > (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In
Re: Where are my translations?
Dear David and Timo, Yes, you were right. I thought I had translated the documentation, but it appeared to be the GUI translations. You say that documentation translations are done upstream (in this case Gnome-NL). I want to translate Empathy (doc) for Gnome-NL for a start, but I want to be sure it will be published in Ubuntu. It is very difficult to track the path from translation to publication. Which organization sees to it that documentation translations are published (in this case the translation of a Gnome application installed by default in Ubuntu Lucid Lynx)? Shouldn't there be a better co-operation between Ubuntu and Gnome/KDE? I think that Dutch users of Ubuntu would appreciate it if they get Dutch translations when they look for help, especially with Gnome or KDE applications that are installed by default in Ubuntu. Regards, Hannie David Planella schreef: Hi Hannie, Timo already explained everything in great detail (thanks!), so I won't add anything there. El dl 31 de 05 de 2010 a les 08:05 +0200, en/na lafeber-dumoleyn2 va escriure: Thank you for your answer, Timo. I had been told that the translations were committed at gnome-nl; I didn't check if that was really the case. I have forwarded this email to gnome-nl hoping they will be committed soon. I have also checked the gedit documentation on Launchpad. It said : translated 100 %. There is no gedit documentation in Launchpad. What you might have seen is the translation for the Gedit application: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gedit/+pots/gedit/nl/+translate We do not import translations of upstream documentation and expose them in Launchpad because we've got no infrastructure to build them. They are shipped 1:1 to what upstream provides. There are a couple of exceptions, such as the GNOME accessibility guide and the GNOME user guide, IIRC, but that's because we need them for ubuntu-docs. But I still found a great deal of suggestions which I have reviewed and accepted or rejected. I'm still not sure if it is necessary to update the translation on Launchpad as well because I do not know who publishes the documentation translations and where he or she looks for them. Hannie In the case of non-Ubuntu documentation, it's upstream in nearly all cases. Regards, David. Op 30-05-10 18:26, Timo Jyrinki schreef: 2010/5/27 lafeber-dumoleyn2: As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files were committed. It does not look like they have been committed in either trunk or 2.30 branches: http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-3-0/doc/ http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-2-30/doc/ So it looks like gnome-nl would have messed up something in committing. If you submitted the translation via l10n.gnome.org web interface, the commit rights owner _can_ select "Committed" informational message from the menu even if he didn't actually really do the actual git commit. At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, or is this done automatically? Documentation is (generally) not done in Launchpad, but comes directly from upstream, automatically as part of the GNOME releases. However, since you mentioned beginning of April, another thing comes into play - GNOME 2.30 was released already in the end of March. This means that your translations should have been committed both to trunk and the 2.30 branch so that they would also be included in 2.30.1 / 2.30.2 / etc. point releases. Then one still needs to make sure Ubuntu takes those specific point releases to lucid, which is not automatic but made if eg. meaningful bug fixes - or translation fixes - are done in those point releases. Currently gnome-utils upstream has not released any point releases, but empathy and gedit have. Gedit in Ubuntu has been updated to a version from 13.4.2010 (it would thus include your translation if it was there), but not the exact point release, and empathy has seen a couple of patches but no point release update yet. That's just to explain the thing in general, of course it doesn't matter for this specific case as the translations aren't committed to GNOME anyway for some reason. Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? To re-iterate this more briefly: if you get the documentation translation into 2.30 branch in addition to the "master" or "trunk" development branch, it's possible to be included in lucid but does not happen automatically. There is no reason though why it couldn't be done. For example, I'm waiting if there would be a point release of gnome-bluetooth which now has Finn
Re: Where are my translations?
Dear Hjorth, Thank you for your suggestion. What a coincidence. Today I thought of importing my translations into Launchpad, since uploading them to Gnome-nl is probably not enough. As soon as I have found out what is the right way of getting a translation published I will let you know through this mailing list. Hannie >> As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the >> (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the >> beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files >> were committed. I am sad to say that, although I have sent them on time, >> they do not appear in Lucid Lynx, where I still get the English version. >> What happened to my translations? Have I done all the hard work for >> nothing? >> At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the >> translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? >> How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, >> or is this done automatically? >> Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? >> I would really appreciate it if someone can help me on this, because it >> is rather frustrating to do all the hard work for nothing. >> Hannie > > Hi Hannie > > I'm a translator and don't know all that much, so the following are > just my impressions/opinions. > > I have also found that imports in Ubuntu are very difficult to figure > out. The safe way is to specifically commit/import the translation > both to the original project and in Launchpad. I don't know who is > ultimately "responsible", but at least it is something you *can* > choose to do yourself. My advice is therefore to do it yourself, even > if it's not your responsibility. It may be necessary to file a bug > report to have it included in a language pack now, after the release. > > In the near future, Launchpad should get automatic bzr imports from > gnome in particular, which means synchronization will happen within a > day, I think. I don't know the complete prospects for this feature, > but it sure will make life easier. > > Best regards > Ask Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.819 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2906 - datum van uitgifte: 05/30/10 11:21:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 48 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
Hi Hannie, Timo already explained everything in great detail (thanks!), so I won't add anything there. El dl 31 de 05 de 2010 a les 08:05 +0200, en/na lafeber-dumoleyn2 va escriure: > Thank you for your answer, Timo. I had been told that the translations > were committed at gnome-nl; I didn't check if that was really the case. > I have forwarded this email to gnome-nl hoping they will be committed > soon. I have also checked the gedit documentation on Launchpad. It said > : translated 100 %. There is no gedit documentation in Launchpad. What you might have seen is the translation for the Gedit application: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gedit/+pots/gedit/nl/+translate We do not import translations of upstream documentation and expose them in Launchpad because we've got no infrastructure to build them. They are shipped 1:1 to what upstream provides. There are a couple of exceptions, such as the GNOME accessibility guide and the GNOME user guide, IIRC, but that's because we need them for ubuntu-docs. > But I still found a great deal of suggestions which > I have reviewed and accepted or rejected. I'm still not sure if it is > necessary to update the translation on Launchpad as well because I do > not know who publishes the documentation translations and where he or > she looks for them. > Hannie > In the case of non-Ubuntu documentation, it's upstream in nearly all cases. Regards, David. > Op 30-05-10 18:26, Timo Jyrinki schreef: > > 2010/5/27 lafeber-dumoleyn2: > > > >> As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the > >> (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the > >> beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files > >> were committed. > >> > > It does not look like they have been committed in either trunk or 2.30 > > branches: > > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-3-0/doc/ > > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-2-30/doc/ > > > > So it looks like gnome-nl would have messed up something in > > committing. If you submitted the translation via l10n.gnome.org web > > interface, the commit rights owner _can_ select "Committed" > > informational message from the menu even if he didn't actually really > > do the actual git commit. > > > > > >> At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the > >> translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? > >> How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, > >> or is this done automatically? > >> > > Documentation is (generally) not done in Launchpad, but comes directly > > from upstream, automatically as part of the GNOME releases. However, > > since you mentioned beginning of April, another thing comes into play > > - GNOME 2.30 was released already in the end of March. This means that > > your translations should have been committed both to trunk and the > > 2.30 branch so that they would also be included in 2.30.1 / 2.30.2 / > > etc. point releases. Then one still needs to make sure Ubuntu takes > > those specific point releases to lucid, which is not automatic but > > made if eg. meaningful bug fixes - or translation fixes - are done in > > those point releases. Currently gnome-utils upstream has not released > > any point releases, but empathy and gedit have. Gedit in Ubuntu has > > been updated to a version from 13.4.2010 (it would thus include your > > translation if it was there), but not the exact point release, and > > empathy has seen a couple of patches but no point release update yet. > > > > That's just to explain the thing in general, of course it doesn't > > matter for this specific case as the translations aren't committed to > > GNOME anyway for some reason. > > > > > >> Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? > >> > > To re-iterate this more briefly: if you get the documentation > > translation into 2.30 branch in addition to the "master" or "trunk" > > development branch, it's possible to be included in lucid but does not > > happen automatically. There is no reason though why it couldn't be > > done. For example, I'm waiting if there would be a point release of > > gnome-bluetooth which now has Finnish documentation translation in the > > 2.30 branch, to ask for inclusion in Ubuntu. If it doesn't appear, I > > consider asking updating the gnome-bluetooth simply to the latest 2.30 > > branch commit instead. > > > > -Timo > > > > > > -- David Planella Ubuntu Translations Coordinator david(dot)planella(at)ubuntu(dot)com www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge signada digitalment -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
Thank you for your answer, Timo. I had been told that the translations were committed at gnome-nl; I didn't check if that was really the case. I have forwarded this email to gnome-nl hoping they will be committed soon. I have also checked the gedit documentation on Launchpad. It said : translated 100 %. But I still found a great deal of suggestions which I have reviewed and accepted or rejected. I'm still not sure if it is necessary to update the translation on Launchpad as well because I do not know who publishes the documentation translations and where he or she looks for them. Hannie Op 30-05-10 18:26, Timo Jyrinki schreef: > 2010/5/27 lafeber-dumoleyn2: > >> As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the >> (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the >> beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files >> were committed. >> > It does not look like they have been committed in either trunk or 2.30 > branches: > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-3-0/doc/ > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-2-30/doc/ > > So it looks like gnome-nl would have messed up something in > committing. If you submitted the translation via l10n.gnome.org web > interface, the commit rights owner _can_ select "Committed" > informational message from the menu even if he didn't actually really > do the actual git commit. > > >> At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the >> translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? >> How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, >> or is this done automatically? >> > Documentation is (generally) not done in Launchpad, but comes directly > from upstream, automatically as part of the GNOME releases. However, > since you mentioned beginning of April, another thing comes into play > - GNOME 2.30 was released already in the end of March. This means that > your translations should have been committed both to trunk and the > 2.30 branch so that they would also be included in 2.30.1 / 2.30.2 / > etc. point releases. Then one still needs to make sure Ubuntu takes > those specific point releases to lucid, which is not automatic but > made if eg. meaningful bug fixes - or translation fixes - are done in > those point releases. Currently gnome-utils upstream has not released > any point releases, but empathy and gedit have. Gedit in Ubuntu has > been updated to a version from 13.4.2010 (it would thus include your > translation if it was there), but not the exact point release, and > empathy has seen a couple of patches but no point release update yet. > > That's just to explain the thing in general, of course it doesn't > matter for this specific case as the translations aren't committed to > GNOME anyway for some reason. > > >> Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? >> > To re-iterate this more briefly: if you get the documentation > translation into 2.30 branch in addition to the "master" or "trunk" > development branch, it's possible to be included in lucid but does not > happen automatically. There is no reason though why it couldn't be > done. For example, I'm waiting if there would be a point release of > gnome-bluetooth which now has Finnish documentation translation in the > 2.30 branch, to ask for inclusion in Ubuntu. If it doesn't appear, I > consider asking updating the gnome-bluetooth simply to the latest 2.30 > branch commit instead. > > -Timo > > -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
2010/5/27 lafeber-dumoleyn2 : > As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the > (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the > beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files > were committed. It does not look like they have been committed in either trunk or 2.30 branches: http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-3-0/doc/ http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/nl/gnome-2-30/doc/ So it looks like gnome-nl would have messed up something in committing. If you submitted the translation via l10n.gnome.org web interface, the commit rights owner _can_ select "Committed" informational message from the menu even if he didn't actually really do the actual git commit. > At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the > translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? > How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, > or is this done automatically? Documentation is (generally) not done in Launchpad, but comes directly from upstream, automatically as part of the GNOME releases. However, since you mentioned beginning of April, another thing comes into play - GNOME 2.30 was released already in the end of March. This means that your translations should have been committed both to trunk and the 2.30 branch so that they would also be included in 2.30.1 / 2.30.2 / etc. point releases. Then one still needs to make sure Ubuntu takes those specific point releases to lucid, which is not automatic but made if eg. meaningful bug fixes - or translation fixes - are done in those point releases. Currently gnome-utils upstream has not released any point releases, but empathy and gedit have. Gedit in Ubuntu has been updated to a version from 13.4.2010 (it would thus include your translation if it was there), but not the exact point release, and empathy has seen a couple of patches but no point release update yet. That's just to explain the thing in general, of course it doesn't matter for this specific case as the translations aren't committed to GNOME anyway for some reason. > Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? To re-iterate this more briefly: if you get the documentation translation into 2.30 branch in addition to the "master" or "trunk" development branch, it's possible to be included in lucid but does not happen automatically. There is no reason though why it couldn't be done. For example, I'm waiting if there would be a point release of gnome-bluetooth which now has Finnish documentation translation in the 2.30 branch, to ask for inclusion in Ubuntu. If it doesn't appear, I consider asking updating the gnome-bluetooth simply to the latest 2.30 branch commit instead. -Timo -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Where are my translations?
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:18 AM, lafeber-dumoleyn2 wrote: > As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the > (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the > beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files > were committed. I am sad to say that, although I have sent them on time, > they do not appear in Lucid Lynx, where I still get the English version. > What happened to my translations? Have I done all the hard work for nothing? > At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the > translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? > How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, > or is this done automatically? > Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? > I would really appreciate it if someone can help me on this, because it > is rather frustrating to do all the hard work for nothing. > Hannie Hi Hannie I'm a translator and don't know all that much, so the following are just my impressions/opinions. I have also found that imports in Ubuntu are very difficult to figure out. The safe way is to specifically commit/import the translation both to the original project and in Launchpad. I don't know who is ultimately "responsible", but at least it is something you *can* choose to do yourself. My advice is therefore to do it yourself, even if it's not your responsibility. It may be necessary to file a bug report to have it included in a language pack now, after the release. In the near future, Launchpad should get automatic bzr imports from gnome in particular, which means synchronization will happen within a day, I think. I don't know the complete prospects for this feature, but it sure will make life easier. Best regards Ask -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Where are my translations?
As a member of the Dutch translation team I have translated the (upstream) documentation of gedit, Empathy and Gnome-utils. In the beginning of April I sent the .po-files to Gnome-nl, where the files were committed. I am sad to say that, although I have sent them on time, they do not appear in Lucid Lynx, where I still get the English version. What happened to my translations? Have I done all the hard work for nothing? At Gnome-nl they say it is ubuntu's responsibility to publish the translations. But who is responsible: ubuntu-translators or ubuntu-nl? How does it work? Should I have imported my translations in Launchpad, or is this done automatically? Will my translations appear in a language update? And if so, when? I would really appreciate it if someone can help me on this, because it is rather frustrating to do all the hard work for nothing. Hannie -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
