Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
London School of Puppetry wrote: > Robin > Thanks I will try-Can I ask someone something else- why does open Office > crash when I try to paste something out of it into an email? Sorry I am > so new to this and I appreciate all you with so much practical knowledge. > Caroline > Hi Caroline, It's a bug (see https://launchpad.net/bugs/62432), it's been fixed in feisty (the next version of Ubuntu) Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] CD image editing basics and Ubuntu
I have a dream wishlist little project where I show my contacts at a (national older persons) charity a live CD with their logo plastered everywhere. If I could arrange this, it would act to grab their attention.This seemed beyond my current skills, until - I have just discovered isomaster (from the recent knoppix) and it installs fine into kubuntu 6.06. What I need to do now is to identify which files and where, to hopefully modify (kubuntu?) graphics to at least add large alien logos either alongside, or initially in place of (file size) K/Ubuntu logos. An obvious file is a .bmp which is used for the CD when in windows. I would be more interested in actual live CD displays. Any comments please? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] looking work placement/voluntary option (fatma oymak)
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 00:12 +, Mr W. F. Vening wrote: > How about we get you a sandwich board saying Ubuntu and stick you in > the middle of TCR handing out ubuntu leaflets and CDS? That was half a > joke but actually it could be quite good lol! > Been there, done that :) Software Freedom Day 2006. http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/25-Review-Software-Freedom-Day.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] looking work placement/voluntary option (fatma oymak)
Im not too sure but we may be able to use you if we ever get the old pc donations scheme going!!! How about we get you a sandwich board saying Ubuntu and stick you in the middle of TCR handing out ubuntu leaflets and CDS? That was half a joke but actually it could be quite good lol! What sort of work are you looking for though, with the community?? Neil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-UK forum
I personally used to be very much more forum oriented. However, I now find all I want in the lists; which are much more specific, and just as active (and in the same kind of way) as the forums. Plus, I get it all sorted and presented nicely. I also use IRC a lot - it's live and instantaneous unlike the forums or lists. On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 10:08 +, alan c wrote: > Mr W. F. Vening wrote: > > Is it only me that finds mailing lists to be very non user friendly? > > And IRC is quite good when there is a meeting going on but there is > > not much which can get done when there is just a few active members. > > I generally *only* use mailing lists and I do not find them a problem > at all. > What is it that you find user unfriendly about a mailing list? > > I do use various forums but never on a regular basis. I find web based > access cumbersome. > > It would be absolutely essential - for me - that a forum had a good > facility to receive and send email. There are very few of these I > think. A notable type that I do use regularly is yahoogroups - they > are both web based and also email based, and work well (on email > anyway). Yahoo took the facilty over from the earlier egroups some > years ago. > > -- > alan cocks > Kubuntu user#10391 > -- Help me get to Venezuela! http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Edgy sometimes stalls on boot.
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 22:39 +, London School of Puppetry wrote: > I'm trying to find him to put him back- how do I do it? There was a > dialogue- but I panicked and now I would like to put it back but how? > Office keeps crashing whenever I try to paste something into an email. > Caroline > > O > Fastest way would be to re-install from Synaptic. Just tested Office here, and it seems ok. Try re-installing that too. Baz -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Edgy sometimes stalls on boot.
I'm trying to find him to put him back- how do I do it? There was a dialogue- but I panicked and now I would like to put it back but how? Office keeps crashing whenever I try to paste something into an email. Caroline On 05/01/07, Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:07:52 + "London School of Puppetry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone help me I am new to Ubuntu- last night some information > appeared down in the right hand corner of the screen telling me about > a bug. The information ended up on the desktop and after a few hours > I deleted it. It was called bubblemon-bugreport.txt. How did it get > there, where did it come from? > Caroline > I think this will have been generated when bubblemon (a load monitor displaying bubbles) crashed. Ubuntu has a system to detect when programs crash and generate a report that should be helpful to the developers in figuring out what went wrong. I'm not entirely sure how this report landed on your desktop (but I've actually only once seen the crash handler in action, and that was a while ago). There should have been a dialogue brought up when the crash happened asking you if you wanted to restart bubblemon and what you wanted to do with the report. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Most Annoying thing to McDonald's employees: I would like a plain cheeseburger with ketchup and no cheese. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Edgy sometimes stalls on boot.
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:07:52 + "London School of Puppetry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone help me I am new to Ubuntu- last night some information > appeared down in the right hand corner of the screen telling me about > a bug. The information ended up on the desktop and after a few hours > I deleted it. It was called bubblemon-bugreport.txt. How did it get > there, where did it come from? > Caroline > I think this will have been generated when bubblemon (a load monitor displaying bubbles) crashed. Ubuntu has a system to detect when programs crash and generate a report that should be helpful to the developers in figuring out what went wrong. I'm not entirely sure how this report landed on your desktop (but I've actually only once seen the crash handler in action, and that was a while ago). There should have been a dialogue brought up when the crash happened asking you if you wanted to restart bubblemon and what you wanted to do with the report. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Most Annoying thing to McDonald's employees: I would like a plain cheeseburger with ketchup and no cheese. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Edgy sometimes stalls on boot.
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 22:07 +, London School of Puppetry wrote: > Can someone help me I am new to Ubuntu- last night some information > appeared down in the right hand corner of the screen telling me about > a bug. The information ended up on the desktop and after a few hours > I deleted it. It was called bubblemon-bugreport.txt. How did it get > there, where did it come from? > Caroline > Does this help? http://freshmeat.net/projects/bubblemon/ Baz -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Edgy sometimes stalls on boot.
Can someone help me I am new to Ubuntu- last night some information appeared down in the right hand corner of the screen telling me about a bug. The information ended up on the desktop and after a few hours I deleted it. It was called bubblemon-bugreport.txt. How did it get there, where did it come from? Caroline On 05/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 02/01/07, Llywelyn Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neil Greenwood wrote: > > Does it get any further than "Mounting root filesystem"/"Mounting > > filesystem" (or words to that effect) in the text-mode boot process? > > It gets to the no errors found dialog and then stops, or so it seems. I've > waited a considerable time to see if it gets any further. > That's a bug. I've never had a Linux kernel/distro stop after checking the disks, and it shouldn't... Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
I hasten to point out that freeware is not free software; in any way. Free software is a system of morals and ethics which somehow results in much of the software involved being free - as in price - to use. Freeware only implies the latter, and implies not the former. On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 18:23 +, Robin Menneer wrote: > Caroline > Suse has been around much longer than ubuntu and is a version of > linux, based on KDE (now owned by Novell). Tiger is the current > operating system of Apple Mac computers, based on Unix. Apple Mac is > an alternative world with many different ways of doing the same thing > which is very confusing to the beginner. I have an ancient PC laptop > running ubuntu and a Mac mini. Most of my work is done on Neooffice > (Apple Mac) and Open Office (Ubuntu), and they are near enouigh the > same freeware so no confusion arises. > Robin > > On 1/5/07, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 04/01/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You did well to stay away from windows. I do not know what susi and > > > tiger are though, sorry. > > > > Presume Suse, and Tiger is an old version on MacOS. > > > > Caroline (another one) > > > > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > -- Help me get to Venezuela! http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Stickers applied to bumpers!
Alan Pope wrote: > On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 12:05 +, alan c wrote: >> For the record, >> I have just put a sticker on the rear bumper of two vehicles! >> (yes, they are ours). > > Heh, where'd you get them? Are they the ones we had at the Expo? they are from the several batches of shipit I have had. Same format bt individual not on a roll, the smaller of the two sizes. I did not use the expo ones because I already had more than enough. There are only just so many places... The stickers are external ones. Traditional car *window* stickers will be for inside use - adhesive on print side - I do not know if these exist. But I have become happy to sport bumper stickers. Maybe someone out there will wake up in a traffic queue and wonder - Ubuntu? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated - Open Source leaflet
Mr W. F. Vening wrote: > I would just like to add that being a young person I have recommended > that many people use Open Office and Firefox, while still using > Windows. These people have been very pleased with the out comes. > Although some had issues understanding they had to save in .doc format > for MS Office to be able to read it. > > A major problem is that when charities organize computer type help > schemes they will probably teach windows because more computers use it > and so it is therefore more useful. > > I think we need some sort of leaflet which can be given to people to > maybe explain what open source is in simple terms, as well as > explaining the great advantages. > > If we could create a PDF then anyone who wants a leaflet can print it > off for themselves or to give to others, or if they are really keen > can go to a local printers!! The following is basically a similar leaflet I use at local exhibitions, handouts and talks. Please use it as wished? It is worded in a popular manner, and I have tried to avoid technical jargon. It is not intended for cognoscenti use! Information Leaflet about OPEN SOURCE: = Open-source software "Open Source" software is computer software which has its 'Code' made public, unlike the usual proprietary software which is kept secret. The Open (and very public) code is examined and criticised by anyone who wants to, and the Internet makes this very easy indeed. The popular programs become good quality because of this - they have improvements, constantly. The really good programs survive and develop. Free The software is usually free to download, and very low cost to buy. The authors are often enthusiasts, perhaps enthusiast professionals. Some Commercial Companies make their full products available as Open Source. Their advantage is that the enthusiast volunteers and hobbyists will assist in quality in return for the freedom. Your advantage is freedom and choice. A Free Lunch? No. The software is legally licensed in some way, often as "GPL" - General Public License. This invites copying, distribution, even sale or modification, under a simple legal condition: that the Source Code is made available at cost to any person asking for it. This is energetically defended in courts Internationally. It means that a company cannot 'steal' it, it remains Open. Windows(R), Mac, Linux? Yes. There are very many programs for Windows(R), Mac, and Linux. Examples are Firefox (web browser), Thunderbird (Email, news), Open Office (Office suite), Audacity (Audio file editing). A brief introduction can be seen at www.theopencd.org Government: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/ and Teaching:http://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk/ In fact Linux is ITSELF Open Source. Games? There are some games in Open Source, but because big money cannot easily be made by giving software away (!) then most games are fully proprietary. Shops? Computers usually come with Windows(R) installed, so shops sell things for Windows(R), and are reluctant to offer free programs! Is Open Source better than Windows(R)? Piece of String. Linux will do what Windows(R) can do for most users, or more, and Linux is now easier to install than Windows(R). It can be put onto the same computer and run when you choose, it does NOTget viruses, is easy to SECURE, gets UPDATED fast, and is FREE. You have a choice. Linux Information? Use the internet, phone a friend, or maybe contact a local Linux User Group (LUG). Further information from: [Local LUG and local contact local volunteer name] Get Some? For Windows(R) - a good place to begin is www.theopencd.org, and/or go to the Home Page of any of the major Open Source programs such as www.mozilla.com/firefox and download it. For Linux, contact with a local group is useful, and maybe look at http://www.ubuntu.com and note the "Shipit" CDs, or download it yourself. Kubuntu is the same family but has a closer superficial appearance to Windows(R). [local volunteer contact name] = -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Integrated graphics cards with Ubuntu
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 19:27 +, Kevin wrote: > This is very helpful, thank you. The only reason I wondered about the > integrated graphics was that I have a notebook with that and Linux won't > install on it, everything else about the notebook is better than the > desktop I have Ubuntu installed on at the moment. If you all want a > laugh the specs of the desktop are What happens when you try to install on your laptop? What make/model is it? I don't know many graphics cards (integrated or not) that aren't supported in one way or another in Linux. > K63-450, 256 MB RAM, 10 MB H/D, 8 MB ATI card (yep, it's old), Standard > CD Drive (not a writer), External CD/RW (USB), Zip 250 (USB) OK, have > you all finished laughing yet? Chuck some more memory in it and it would improve considerably. Of course the K3-450 isn't blisteringly fast but that spec is exactly half of the laptop that use daily - a 1GHz Celeron with 512Mb RAM. If you have the funds to spend on new hardware then that's great, but don't worry too much about the integrated graphics. If you find some online offer, feel free to mail this list asking if anyone has one or if anyone can determine whether it will be compatible. > The integrated video with the machine I'm > considering is an Nvidia 6100 I imagine this will work without probs as > I believe Linux works with Nvidia cards (even if they are Integrated). Yes, there is an open source driver which works fine on pretty much every NVidia card out there. There is also a closed-source binary one direct from Nvidia themselves which performs better, but is proprietary. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Integrated graphics cards with Ubuntu
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 18:34 +, norman wrote: > If it is any help to you I have recently bought a new PC which was > made to my specification and cost around £300 mark. Graphics and sound > are on the motherboard and I have no trouble in running 06.10. If you > want to use video cards then they would automatically supersede the on > board graphics but may cause you problems in setting them up. This is very helpful, thank you. The only reason I wondered about the integrated graphics was that I have a notebook with that and Linux won't install on it, everything else about the notebook is better than the desktop I have Ubuntu installed on at the moment. If you all want a laugh the specs of the desktop are K63-450, 256 MB RAM, 10 MB H/D, 8 MB ATI card (yep, it's old), Standard CD Drive (not a writer), External CD/RW (USB), Zip 250 (USB) OK, have you all finished laughing yet? As you can see from the specs of the machine I'm using at the moment pretty much anything would be an upgrade for me and I won't be playing games on the machine or dual booting with Windows, it'll be Linux only.The integrated video with the machine I'm considering is an Nvidia 6100 I imagine this will work without probs as I believe Linux works with Nvidia cards (even if they are Integrated). -- Kevin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Integrated graphics cards with Ubuntu
> I'm thinking about getting myself a new PC, it'll be very cheap which of > course means integrated graphics which I believe is pretty much a no-no > as far as Linux is concerned. > > How hard is it to disable this as I have a couple of video cards (albeit > old ones) that I could install into the machine myself. There is also a > slightly more expensive option to have the ASUS EN6200LE TC256/TD 64MB > (PCIX DVI VGA TV-Out)installed which is an integrated graphics card but > comes with 64 MB on the card itself and I was wondering if Linux would > recognise this. If it is any help to you I have recently bought a new PC which was made to my specification and cost around £300 mark. Graphics and sound are on the motherboard and I have no trouble in running 06.10. If you want to use video cards then they would automatically supersede the on board graphics but may cause you problems in setting them up. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
Caroline Suse has been around much longer than ubuntu and is a version of linux, based on KDE (now owned by Novell). Tiger is the current operating system of Apple Mac computers, based on Unix. Apple Mac is an alternative world with many different ways of doing the same thing which is very confusing to the beginner. I have an ancient PC laptop running ubuntu and a Mac mini. Most of my work is done on Neooffice (Apple Mac) and Open Office (Ubuntu), and they are near enouigh the same freeware so no confusion arises. Robin On 1/5/07, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04/01/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You did well to stay away from windows. I do not know what susi and > > tiger are though, sorry. > > Presume Suse, and Tiger is an old version on MacOS. > > Caroline (another one) > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
On 04/01/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You did well to stay away from windows. I do not know what susi and > tiger are though, sorry. Presume Suse, and Tiger is an old version on MacOS. Caroline (another one) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Integrated graphics cards with Ubuntu
Hi, I'm thinking about getting myself a new PC, it'll be very cheap which of course means integrated graphics which I believe is pretty much a no-no as far as Linux is concerned. How hard is it to disable this as I have a couple of video cards (albeit old ones) that I could install into the machine myself. There is also a slightly more expensive option to have the ASUS EN6200LE TC256/TD 64MB (PCIX DVI VGA TV-Out)installed which is an integrated graphics card but comes with 64 MB on the card itself and I was wondering if Linux would recognise this. Thanks for any help/advice -- Kevin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Online ODF converter
If you ever end up on a MS office only computer with an ODF file then have a look at this site http://www.zamzar.com/ It converts loads of different formats and then emails the results to you. Worth a look!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] looking work placement/voluntary option
dear all currently i am using ubuntu. i am living london and looking some placement or voluntary work with linux do you know any placeplease let me know all the best fatma From: "London School of Puppetry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],British Ubuntu Talk To: "Robin Menneer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:12:01 + Robin Thanks I will try-Can I ask someone something else- why does open Office crash when I try to paste something out of it into an email? Sorry I am so new to this and I appreciate all you with so much practical knowledge. Caroline On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Caroline I assume that you are at the same level of simplicity and find that the help facility is like the curate's egg, good in parts. You type your message in open office then save as, under file type, click on windows XP which gives you a .doc suffix. Microsoft should understand this. Robin On 1/5/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robin, I am a recent convert? to Ubuntu- which I find great- and I am > useless at this klind of thing. the Help stuff is clear- ish - except for > some terms are hard to understand- But the biggest problem I have is sending > files to colleagues who use Microsoft- and they say they can't open > them.Caroline > > On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Toby > > If Ubuntu is to be as successful as has been mooted, the package needs > > to be lubriciously simple so that complete beginners with nil knowledge can > > take advantage of the secondhand machines which are said to abound. For > > instance I would advocate a starting screen, after loading, of a > > typewriter-only facility with the keyboard control &c keys suitably locked > > sofly, So the newboy can, unless he uses the one menu which gets him out of > > it, can only use the machine as a typewriter with save, print and new > > facilities. Then when he has mastered typing (or sooner) he can elect to > > move another stage towards open office etc etc. Many of the people coming > > into computing are those who have either been bypassed or actively rejected > > computing and are possibly candidates for open-source coupled with cheap > > secondhand machine, but a simple step-by-step initiation is needed. What is > > simple to you is impossible to most of them. I envisage a pensioner > > attending a charity meeting being given a machine and being told just to > > take it away and use it. Comparing its procedures with windows is not > > useful. Dumbing down ridiculously is what's needed to get ubuntu being > > favoured by the masses. > > Robin > > > > On 1/5/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 12:29 +, Robin Menneer wrote: > > > > Alan > > > > Yes - cash book, address book &c. I didn't have a cd and had > > > never > > > > made one, nor had the facilities. I didn't need a cd for suse but > > > I > > > > do not know what Novell have done with it since they took it over. > > > > You fall into the trap of comparing installing ubuntu with windows > > > > instead of the real world whch does exist outside windows. Yes it > > > > > > > should get better if it's going to be much more widely used. I > > > want a > > > > package that I can click on on the web, chose the thicky > > > (beginner's) > > > > version and go away and leave it for half an hour, returning to > > > find > > > > the opening page offering help. Other more expert versions I > > > would > > > > possibly like to delve into later but would be happy ot go again > > > to > > > > the web so as to get the latest version. > > > > Robin > > > > > > Hmm... I'm not quite certain what this means. I'm also unsure as to > > > what > > > you find sophisticated. It always all seemed perfectly clear to me. > > > Could you elaborate some more, please? > > > > > > > On 1/4/07, alan c < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Robin Menneer wrote: > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > Cornwall. You can see some of my interests on > > > www.cornishhedges.com. > > > > > > (comments welcome). Yes, I agree about different needs - all > > > one > > > > > > needs is a simple menu offering switchable facilities by > > > function > > > > > > rather than by name > > > > > > > > > > Email, Word Processing, Internet Browse, (more?) > > > > > > > > > > > Protection should be inbuilt with user status. > > > > > > > > > > I believe this is already there. > > > > > > > > > > > Surely in the 21st century we do not need an install person > > > > > > > > > > You said you got someone else to install for you. Installs are > > > about > > > > > as easy as I could imagine now. Insert cd, say yes take over > > > hard > > > > > drive, ok, english ok, then have a few cups of tea. Knowing that > > > > > nobody in their right mind installs windows themselves (
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
Robin Thanks I will try-Can I ask someone something else- why does open Office crash when I try to paste something out of it into an email? Sorry I am so new to this and I appreciate all you with so much practical knowledge. Caroline On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Caroline I assume that you are at the same level of simplicity and find that the help facility is like the curate's egg, good in parts. You type your message in open office then save as, under file type, click on windows XP which gives you a .doc suffix. Microsoft should understand this. Robin On 1/5/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robin, I am a recent convert? to Ubuntu- which I find great- and I am > useless at this klind of thing. the Help stuff is clear- ish - except for > some terms are hard to understand- But the biggest problem I have is sending > files to colleagues who use Microsoft- and they say they can't open > them.Caroline > > On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Toby > > If Ubuntu is to be as successful as has been mooted, the package needs > > to be lubriciously simple so that complete beginners with nil knowledge can > > take advantage of the secondhand machines which are said to abound. For > > instance I would advocate a starting screen, after loading, of a > > typewriter-only facility with the keyboard control &c keys suitably locked > > sofly, So the newboy can, unless he uses the one menu which gets him out of > > it, can only use the machine as a typewriter with save, print and new > > facilities. Then when he has mastered typing (or sooner) he can elect to > > move another stage towards open office etc etc. Many of the people coming > > into computing are those who have either been bypassed or actively rejected > > computing and are possibly candidates for open-source coupled with cheap > > secondhand machine, but a simple step-by-step initiation is needed. What is > > simple to you is impossible to most of them. I envisage a pensioner > > attending a charity meeting being given a machine and being told just to > > take it away and use it. Comparing its procedures with windows is not > > useful. Dumbing down ridiculously is what's needed to get ubuntu being > > favoured by the masses. > > Robin > > > > On 1/5/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 12:29 +, Robin Menneer wrote: > > > > Alan > > > > Yes - cash book, address book &c. I didn't have a cd and had > > > never > > > > made one, nor had the facilities. I didn't need a cd for suse but > > > I > > > > do not know what Novell have done with it since they took it over. > > > > You fall into the trap of comparing installing ubuntu with windows > > > > instead of the real world whch does exist outside windows. Yes it > > > > > > > should get better if it's going to be much more widely used. I > > > want a > > > > package that I can click on on the web, chose the thicky > > > (beginner's) > > > > version and go away and leave it for half an hour, returning to > > > find > > > > the opening page offering help. Other more expert versions I > > > would > > > > possibly like to delve into later but would be happy ot go again > > > to > > > > the web so as to get the latest version. > > > > Robin > > > > > > Hmm... I'm not quite certain what this means. I'm also unsure as to > > > what > > > you find sophisticated. It always all seemed perfectly clear to me. > > > Could you elaborate some more, please? > > > > > > > On 1/4/07, alan c < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Robin Menneer wrote: > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > Cornwall. You can see some of my interests on > > > www.cornishhedges.com. > > > > > > (comments welcome). Yes, I agree about different needs - all > > > one > > > > > > needs is a simple menu offering switchable facilities by > > > function > > > > > > rather than by name > > > > > > > > > > Email, Word Processing, Internet Browse, (more?) > > > > > > > > > > > Protection should be inbuilt with user status. > > > > > > > > > > I believe this is already there. > > > > > > > > > > > Surely in the 21st century we do not need an install person > > > > > > > > > > You said you got someone else to install for you. Installs are > > > about > > > > > as easy as I could imagine now. Insert cd, say yes take over > > > hard > > > > > drive, ok, english ok, then have a few cups of tea. Knowing that > > > > > nobody in their right mind installs windows themselves (quite > > > > > difficult), I think ubuntu does pretty well and will probably > > > get > > > > > better too. > > > > > > > > > > > Aged > > > > > > late-departed mother in laws should not have to be daunted by > > > install > > > > > > problems. I gather one Ubuntu difficulty was with the display > > > which > > > > > > turned out to be merely a deficit in programming. > > > > > > > > > > The only display problem I had in many various installs was with > > > a > > > >
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
On 05/01/07, Mr W. F. Vening <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we need some sort of leaflet which can be given to people to > maybe explain what open source is in simple terms, as well as > explaining the great advantages. > > If we could create a PDF then anyone who wants a leaflet can print it > off for themselves or to give to others, or if they are really keen > can go to a local printers!! > We have created some leaflets that we use for HullFloss, feel free to use them if you like them! http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2a.pdf http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/hullfloss/SimpleLeaflet-D2b.pdf -- Steve Garton http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
I think if people want a typewriter then they should buy a typewriter. Regards Leon On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neil > Can these people load ubuntu alongside windows, and leave a message in > windows suggesting looking at ubuntu - better than a bit of paper perhaps. > But ubuntu needs to be installed with openoffice &c with an easy and simple > user interface. new users do not want everthing thrown at them at the > start. > Robin > > On 1/5/07, Mr W. F. Vening <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would just like to add that being a young person I have recommended > > that many people use Open Office and Firefox, while still using > > Windows. These people have been very pleased with the out comes. > > Although some had issues understanding they had to save in .doc format > > for MS Office to be able to read it. > > > > A major problem is that when charities organize computer type help > > schemes they will probably teach windows because more computers use it > > and so it is therefore more useful. > > > > I think we need some sort of leaflet which can be given to people to > > maybe explain what open source is in simple terms, as well as > > explaining the great advantages. > > > > If we could create a PDF then anyone who wants a leaflet can print it > > off for themselves or to give to others, or if they are really keen > > can go to a local printers!! > > > > However i have strayed from the point now. I have lots of experience > > help my parents who find it a huge problem to change to anything new. > > I have to perfectly setup everything to they can just click an icon > > and it does what they want. > > > > For example i had to create a bookmark for Internet banking. If i just > > made a link to the main site, and not the page with the familiar login > > boxes then i just got a blank look. > > > > Its also worth noting that in windows the default Internet browser and > > mail client gets simply labeled "Internet" and "Mail" in the first > > section of the start menu. > > > > I think an appropriate place to but these on the gnome desktop would > > be at the top where the program icons go. For example instead of > > having just the unfamiliar Firefox icon the icon could be there but > > with Internet boldly written next to in with a very click able looking > > button look!!! > > > > Just some ideas > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Stickers applied to bumpers!
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 12:05 +, alan c wrote: > For the record, > I have just put a sticker on the rear bumper of two vehicles! > (yes, they are ours). Heh, where'd you get them? Are they the ones we had at the Expo? I put an Ubuntu sticker on the underside of a die-hard Debian fans laptop recently. He was not pleased. Luckily I'd put 40 miles between us before he saw it. Worth noting though (in a very sad and geeky way) that he has RPM in his numberplate and not APT :) http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/gallery/hantslug_12_2005/img_3342 I too put a sticker on the back of my car* :) http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_309 http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_310 I think those were taken around the time I switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The sticker is still there :) Cheers, Al. * Volvo jokes to /dev/null signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
Neil Can these people load ubuntu alongside windows, and leave a message in windows suggesting looking at ubuntu - better than a bit of paper perhaps. But ubuntu needs to be installed with openoffice &c with an easy and simple user interface. new users do not want everthing thrown at them at the start. Robin On 1/5/07, Mr W. F. Vening <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would just like to add that being a young person I have recommended that many people use Open Office and Firefox, while still using Windows. These people have been very pleased with the out comes. Although some had issues understanding they had to save in .doc format for MS Office to be able to read it. A major problem is that when charities organize computer type help schemes they will probably teach windows because more computers use it and so it is therefore more useful. I think we need some sort of leaflet which can be given to people to maybe explain what open source is in simple terms, as well as explaining the great advantages. If we could create a PDF then anyone who wants a leaflet can print it off for themselves or to give to others, or if they are really keen can go to a local printers!! However i have strayed from the point now. I have lots of experience help my parents who find it a huge problem to change to anything new. I have to perfectly setup everything to they can just click an icon and it does what they want. For example i had to create a bookmark for Internet banking. If i just made a link to the main site, and not the page with the familiar login boxes then i just got a blank look. Its also worth noting that in windows the default Internet browser and mail client gets simply labeled "Internet" and "Mail" in the first section of the start menu. I think an appropriate place to but these on the gnome desktop would be at the top where the program icons go. For example instead of having just the unfamiliar Firefox icon the icon could be there but with Internet boldly written next to in with a very click able looking button look!!! Just some ideas Neil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Complicated Office 2007?
Have a read of this: http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36724 Can anyone say opportunity? Neil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
I would just like to add that being a young person I have recommended that many people use Open Office and Firefox, while still using Windows. These people have been very pleased with the out comes. Although some had issues understanding they had to save in .doc format for MS Office to be able to read it. A major problem is that when charities organize computer type help schemes they will probably teach windows because more computers use it and so it is therefore more useful. I think we need some sort of leaflet which can be given to people to maybe explain what open source is in simple terms, as well as explaining the great advantages. If we could create a PDF then anyone who wants a leaflet can print it off for themselves or to give to others, or if they are really keen can go to a local printers!! However i have strayed from the point now. I have lots of experience help my parents who find it a huge problem to change to anything new. I have to perfectly setup everything to they can just click an icon and it does what they want. For example i had to create a bookmark for Internet banking. If i just made a link to the main site, and not the page with the familiar login boxes then i just got a blank look. Its also worth noting that in windows the default Internet browser and mail client gets simply labeled "Internet" and "Mail" in the first section of the start menu. I think an appropriate place to but these on the gnome desktop would be at the top where the program icons go. For example instead of having just the unfamiliar Firefox icon the icon could be there but with Internet boldly written next to in with a very click able looking button look!!! Just some ideas Neil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Reply from my MP about EDM 179
OK, I'd given up hope, then this arrived in my inbox! Hwyl, Neil. -- Forwarded message -- From: MORGAN, Julie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 03-Jan-2007 16:11 Subject: RE: Letter from your constituent Neil Greenwood Dear Mr Greenwood Thank you for your e-mail of 27 November regarding EDM 179 and the use of open source software in UK schools. I am very sorry for the long delay in replying to you – I have been dealing with an extraordinary amount of casework over the last few months. I thought that you put your point in your e-mail very well and I have asked the Table Office in the House of Commons to add my signature to the Early Day Motion. I agree that it is very important that public sector funds are not wasted, particularly when it comes to education resources. I was interested in your point about BECTA and I will look out for further discussion around this subject in the Commons. Thank you for bringing the EDM to my attention and best wishes for the New Year. Yours sincerely Julie Morgan MP -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Stickers applied to bumpers!
For the record, I have just put a sticker on the rear bumper of two vehicles! (yes, they are ours). -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
London School of Puppetry wrote: > Robin, I am a recent convert? to Ubuntu- which I find great- and I am > useless at this klind of thing. the Help stuff is clear- ish - except > for some terms are hard to understand- But the biggest problem I have is > sending files to colleagues who use Microsoft- and they say they can't > open them.Caroline Hi Caroline Welcome to Ubuntu! It is possible to save things in OpenOffice in microsoft format (note 1) as well as Open document format. The open document format has the advantage in that the files are likely to be smaller, the format is international standard (ISO) and of course is Open, so that any other wordprocessor may be created to support it in future. OpenOffice is - as you may know - Open Source and free. On some occasions you may want to send two copies(attachments) - one in open document format, and a second one in M$ Note 1: File>Save As>Filter>(choose m$ word/2000/XP) hth -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
Caroline I assume that you are at the same level of simplicity and find that the help facility is like the curate's egg, good in parts. You type your message in open office then save as, under file type, click on windows XP which gives you a .doc suffix. Microsoft should understand this. Robin On 1/5/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Robin, I am a recent convert? to Ubuntu- which I find great- and I am useless at this klind of thing. the Help stuff is clear- ish - except for some terms are hard to understand- But the biggest problem I have is sending files to colleagues who use Microsoft- and they say they can't open them.Caroline On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Toby > If Ubuntu is to be as successful as has been mooted, the package needs > to be lubriciously simple so that complete beginners with nil knowledge can > take advantage of the secondhand machines which are said to abound. For > instance I would advocate a starting screen, after loading, of a > typewriter-only facility with the keyboard control &c keys suitably locked > sofly, So the newboy can, unless he uses the one menu which gets him out of > it, can only use the machine as a typewriter with save, print and new > facilities. Then when he has mastered typing (or sooner) he can elect to > move another stage towards open office etc etc. Many of the people coming > into computing are those who have either been bypassed or actively rejected > computing and are possibly candidates for open-source coupled with cheap > secondhand machine, but a simple step-by-step initiation is needed. What is > simple to you is impossible to most of them. I envisage a pensioner > attending a charity meeting being given a machine and being told just to > take it away and use it. Comparing its procedures with windows is not > useful. Dumbing down ridiculously is what's needed to get ubuntu being > favoured by the masses. > Robin > > On 1/5/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 12:29 +, Robin Menneer wrote: > > > Alan > > > Yes - cash book, address book &c. I didn't have a cd and had never > > > made one, nor had the facilities. I didn't need a cd for suse but I > > > > > do not know what Novell have done with it since they took it over. > > > You fall into the trap of comparing installing ubuntu with windows > > > instead of the real world whch does exist outside windows. Yes it > > > should get better if it's going to be much more widely used. I want > > a > > > package that I can click on on the web, chose the thicky > > (beginner's) > > > version and go away and leave it for half an hour, returning to find > > > > > the opening page offering help. Other more expert versions I would > > > possibly like to delve into later but would be happy ot go again to > > > the web so as to get the latest version. > > > Robin > > > > Hmm... I'm not quite certain what this means. I'm also unsure as to > > what > > you find sophisticated. It always all seemed perfectly clear to me. > > Could you elaborate some more, please? > > > > > On 1/4/07, alan c < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Robin Menneer wrote: > > > > > Alan > > > > > Cornwall. You can see some of my interests on > > www.cornishhedges.com. > > > > > (comments welcome). Yes, I agree about different needs - all > > one > > > > > needs is a simple menu offering switchable facilities by > > function > > > > > rather than by name > > > > > > > > Email, Word Processing, Internet Browse, (more?) > > > > > > > > > Protection should be inbuilt with user status. > > > > > > > > I believe this is already there. > > > > > > > > > Surely in the 21st century we do not need an install person > > > > > > > > You said you got someone else to install for you. Installs are > > about > > > > as easy as I could imagine now. Insert cd, say yes take over hard > > > > drive, ok, english ok, then have a few cups of tea. Knowing that > > > > nobody in their right mind installs windows themselves (quite > > > > difficult), I think ubuntu does pretty well and will probably get > > > > better too. > > > > > > > > > Aged > > > > > late-departed mother in laws should not have to be daunted by > > install > > > > > problems. I gather one Ubuntu difficulty was with the display > > which > > > > > turned out to be merely a deficit in programming. > > > > > > > > The only display problem I had in many various installs was with a > > > > dell laptop inspiron 1100 - this model was produced with a display > > and > > > > bios communication problem. It was easier to install linux (ubuntu > > > > etc) than XP even though I was using the original Dell CDs! > > > > -- > > > > alan cocks > > > > Kubuntu user#10391 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Help me get to Venezuela! > > http://tibsplace.co.uk/ven
[ubuntu-uk] UK Free Software Network benefits Ubuntu developer
Just alerted to this from the surrey lug list: UKFSN Profits Programme The first student to benefit from this programme has already been selected. He is an established contributor to Ubuntu and maintains a general backup utility while also supporting several other Free Software activities. More details will be announced shortly. http://www.ukfsn.org/profits.html and quoting from the surrey lug list = An announcement was made last night on the ukfsn user list: "From the applications received for the first funding offer I have selected Andrew Price, a Ubuntu community developer, to be the first recipient under the programme." = Well Done Andrew! -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
Robin, I am a recent convert? to Ubuntu- which I find great- and I am useless at this klind of thing. the Help stuff is clear- ish - except for some terms are hard to understand- But the biggest problem I have is sending files to colleagues who use Microsoft- and they say they can't open them.Caroline On 05/01/07, Robin Menneer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Toby If Ubuntu is to be as successful as has been mooted, the package needs to be lubriciously simple so that complete beginners with nil knowledge can take advantage of the secondhand machines which are said to abound. For instance I would advocate a starting screen, after loading, of a typewriter-only facility with the keyboard control &c keys suitably locked sofly, So the newboy can, unless he uses the one menu which gets him out of it, can only use the machine as a typewriter with save, print and new facilities. Then when he has mastered typing (or sooner) he can elect to move another stage towards open office etc etc. Many of the people coming into computing are those who have either been bypassed or actively rejected computing and are possibly candidates for open-source coupled with cheap secondhand machine, but a simple step-by-step initiation is needed. What is simple to you is impossible to most of them. I envisage a pensioner attending a charity meeting being given a machine and being told just to take it away and use it. Comparing its procedures with windows is not useful. Dumbing down ridiculously is what's needed to get ubuntu being favoured by the masses. Robin On 1/5/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 12:29 +, Robin Menneer wrote: > > Alan > > Yes - cash book, address book &c. I didn't have a cd and had never > > made one, nor had the facilities. I didn't need a cd for suse but I > > do not know what Novell have done with it since they took it over. > > You fall into the trap of comparing installing ubuntu with windows > > instead of the real world whch does exist outside windows. Yes it > > should get better if it's going to be much more widely used. I want a > > package that I can click on on the web, chose the thicky (beginner's) > > version and go away and leave it for half an hour, returning to find > > the opening page offering help. Other more expert versions I would > > possibly like to delve into later but would be happy ot go again to > > the web so as to get the latest version. > > Robin > > Hmm... I'm not quite certain what this means. I'm also unsure as to what > you find sophisticated. It always all seemed perfectly clear to me. > Could you elaborate some more, please? > > > On 1/4/07, alan c < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Robin Menneer wrote: > > > > Alan > > > > Cornwall. You can see some of my interests on > www.cornishhedges.com. > > > > (comments welcome). Yes, I agree about different needs - all one > > > > needs is a simple menu offering switchable facilities by function > > > > rather than by name > > > > > > Email, Word Processing, Internet Browse, (more?) > > > > > > > Protection should be inbuilt with user status. > > > > > > I believe this is already there. > > > > > > > Surely in the 21st century we do not need an install person > > > > > > You said you got someone else to install for you. Installs are about > > > as easy as I could imagine now. Insert cd, say yes take over hard > > > drive, ok, english ok, then have a few cups of tea. Knowing that > > > nobody in their right mind installs windows themselves (quite > > > difficult), I think ubuntu does pretty well and will probably get > > > better too. > > > > > > > Aged > > > > late-departed mother in laws should not have to be daunted by > install > > > > problems. I gather one Ubuntu difficulty was with the display > which > > > > turned out to be merely a deficit in programming. > > > > > > The only display problem I had in many various installs was with a > > > dell laptop inspiron 1100 - this model was produced with a display > and > > > bios communication problem. It was easier to install linux (ubuntu > > > etc) than XP even though I was using the original Dell CDs! > > > -- > > > alan cocks > > > Kubuntu user#10391 > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > > > > -- > Help me get to Venezuela! > http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu sophisticated
Toby If Ubuntu is to be as successful as has been mooted, the package needs to be lubriciously simple so that complete beginners with nil knowledge can take advantage of the secondhand machines which are said to abound. For instance I would advocate a starting screen, after loading, of a typewriter-only facility with the keyboard control &c keys suitably locked sofly, So the newboy can, unless he uses the one menu which gets him out of it, can only use the machine as a typewriter with save, print and new facilities. Then when he has mastered typing (or sooner) he can elect to move another stage towards open office etc etc. Many of the people coming into computing are those who have either been bypassed or actively rejected computing and are possibly candidates for open-source coupled with cheap secondhand machine, but a simple step-by-step initiation is needed. What is simple to you is impossible to most of them. I envisage a pensioner attending a charity meeting being given a machine and being told just to take it away and use it. Comparing its procedures with windows is not useful. Dumbing down ridiculously is what's needed to get ubuntu being favoured by the masses. Robin On 1/5/07, Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 12:29 +, Robin Menneer wrote: > Alan > Yes - cash book, address book &c. I didn't have a cd and had never > made one, nor had the facilities. I didn't need a cd for suse but I > do not know what Novell have done with it since they took it over. > You fall into the trap of comparing installing ubuntu with windows > instead of the real world whch does exist outside windows. Yes it > should get better if it's going to be much more widely used. I want a > package that I can click on on the web, chose the thicky (beginner's) > version and go away and leave it for half an hour, returning to find > the opening page offering help. Other more expert versions I would > possibly like to delve into later but would be happy ot go again to > the web so as to get the latest version. > Robin Hmm... I'm not quite certain what this means. I'm also unsure as to what you find sophisticated. It always all seemed perfectly clear to me. Could you elaborate some more, please? > On 1/4/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robin Menneer wrote: > > > Alan > > > Cornwall. You can see some of my interests on www.cornishhedges.com . > > > (comments welcome). Yes, I agree about different needs - all one > > > needs is a simple menu offering switchable facilities by function > > > rather than by name > > > > Email, Word Processing, Internet Browse, (more?) > > > > > Protection should be inbuilt with user status. > > > > I believe this is already there. > > > > > Surely in the 21st century we do not need an install person > > > > You said you got someone else to install for you. Installs are about > > as easy as I could imagine now. Insert cd, say yes take over hard > > drive, ok, english ok, then have a few cups of tea. Knowing that > > nobody in their right mind installs windows themselves (quite > > difficult), I think ubuntu does pretty well and will probably get > > better too. > > > > > Aged > > > late-departed mother in laws should not have to be daunted by install > > > problems. I gather one Ubuntu difficulty was with the display which > > > turned out to be merely a deficit in programming. > > > > The only display problem I had in many various installs was with a > > dell laptop inspiron 1100 - this model was produced with a display and > > bios communication problem. It was easier to install linux (ubuntu > > etc) than XP even though I was using the original Dell CDs! > > -- > > alan cocks > > Kubuntu user#10391 > > > > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > -- Help me get to Venezuela! http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Edgy sometimes stalls on boot.
On 02/01/07, Llywelyn Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neil Greenwood wrote: > > Does it get any further than "Mounting root filesystem"/"Mounting > > filesystem" (or words to that effect) in the text-mode boot process? > > It gets to the no errors found dialog and then stops, or so it seems. I've > waited a considerable time to see if it gets any further. > That's a bug. I've never had a Linux kernel/distro stop after checking the disks, and it shouldn't... Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
