Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
Toby Smithe wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 23:06 +, Stephen Morrish wrote: OK I'm new here, so Hi to everyone. Now that's out of the way... I tried FreeSpire before ubuntu. There were several things I didn't like about it and one of those was CNR. Not the method, but the whole feel of the thing. It felt like I was in the bargain isle of a supermarket. It just didn't feel right to me. I can understand why there is a tie-up with the LinSpire guys. I'm not against the use of proprietary software, heck the first thing I do with a fresh install is download Automatrix I strongly recommend you do not use this. It is quite likely to break your system in the long term, when you come to try an update. And although it makes your life easier in the short term, it means you do not learn why the codecs (amongst other things) are not there in the first place, and how you go about getting them by yourself. I am fully dedicated to using linux, and spend a lot of time advocating at computer fairs and exhibitions etc and giving talks at local clubs. I have had no problem with automatix or with easy ubuntu. I *do* know why the codecs are not there initially and I do know how to go about getting them myself, but life is short and I do *not* want to spend my life learning linux inside out, I want to *use* it. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 00:14 +, Toby Smithe wrote: This last step is supposed to get even easier with Feisty, with easy-codec-installation and suchlike coming in. Indeed. I double clicked a video on a blank feisty install (with all updates) and it duly went off, found the necessary codecs and in a few seconds I was watching the video. No faff, no mess. The video was in some wierd format that I had never seen before, which really helped inspire my confidence that this might actually work :) It now also plays mp3s with zero effort on my part. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 08:25 +, alan c wrote: I have had no problem with automatix or with easy ubuntu. How many machines have you install automatix and all the gumpf and then upgraded to the next release using update manager? In the past this has been the bit that has bitten quite a few people. I *do* know why the codecs are not there initially and I do know how to go about getting them myself, but life is short and I do *not* want to spend my life learning linux inside out, I want to *use* it. But you don't have to learn much. In fact all you have to do is copy/paste some stuff off a web page. Once you know where those pages are, and have done it once or twice it's really very easy to setup. Feisty will make it easier though :) Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
Alan Pope wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 08:25 +, alan c wrote: I have had no problem with automatix or with easy ubuntu. How many machines have you install automatix and all the gumpf what gumpf? and then upgraded to the next release using update manager? In the past this has been the bit that has bitten quite a few people. I find it is most convenient to use the facilities such as automatix - wonderful. I invariably go to the next release by a new install, it is quick and very easy. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
Alan, Alan Pope wrote: But on Windows they are expected to install antivirus, spyware, operating system updates. This is all stuff they *had* to learn, so why should they suddenly become mindless idiots when they move to Linux? Perhaps the implication is that many Windows users are already 'mindless idiots'. Or to be more fair, people who have bought a machine that already has Windows installed and just want to start using without ever having to understand about operating systems and how to administer them. Such people either haven't got any anti-virus/anti-spyware etc., or they asked their mate (or teenage offspring!) to do it for them. They've then probably got into a real mess and luckily run into someone who suggests Linux. Problem is they expect the same mindless approach! I find it odd, because no-one expects to drive a car without doing some learning and even taking a test, but some people expect to use a computer with no training/learning/effort what so ever! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
On 2/12/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, Alan Pope wrote: But on Windows they are expected to install antivirus, spyware, operating system updates. This is all stuff they *had* to learn, so why should they suddenly become mindless idiots when they move to Linux? Perhaps the implication is that many Windows users are already 'mindless idiots'. Or to be more fair, people who have bought a machine that already has Windows installed and just want to start using without ever having to understand about operating systems and how to administer them. Such people either haven't got any anti-virus/anti-spyware etc., or they asked their mate (or teenage offspring!) to do it for them. They've then probably got into a real mess and luckily run into someone who suggests Linux. Problem is they expect the same mindless approach! I find it odd, because no-one expects to drive a car without doing some learning and even taking a test, but some people expect to use a computer with no training/learning/effort what so ever! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I know lots of people that use Windows, very few could be described as mindless. We have to ask ourselves why we use Linux over other OS's and why ubuntu over other distro's. I think you will find many different answers. When I first looked at Linux several years ago, installing software was a real nightmare. The Linux community responded to this problem and the result is that now it is easier to install new programs under Linux than Windows. So much so that there are now programs for Windows that ape the Linux experience (AppSnap) Given that projects like Automatrix and Easy are so popular shows that there is a need for them. Issue have arisen from using them, I think that addressing these issue by bringing a solution in house is an excellent idea. There will always be the purists that will want to everything for themselves, but these people probably don't use ubuntu anyway. One of the things that made me choose ubuntu was the mature nature of the project, not just the technical side but the way we as users are treated. I don't need someone to hold my hand, or protect me from the inner-workings. But it is so much easier to tick a few boxes... If it can be made to work properly then why not??? I understand why it's important that ubuntu should stay pure Open Source. To turn our backs completely on propriety software will ensure Linux will remain the preserve of the Hobbyist. -- Regards Steve Morrish... AKA Pendragon ICQ 112 044 096 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
On 12/02/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it odd, because no-one expects to drive a car without doing some learning and even taking a test, but some people expect to use a computer with no training/learning/effort what so ever! That's called the law. If there was no legal requirement to pass testing I suspect there would be a larger proportion of clueless people on the road. The difference of course is that computers do not regularly kill people. Same goes for the televisions, radios, washing machines and lawnmowers that we happily use without training. Successful home appliances (of which a PC is one) need to be user-friendly, intuitive and require minimal maintenance. If you want to pull them apart you're free to do so but the bar to achieve *normal* *safe* operation - as with any consumer device - should be set as low as possible. Martin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] linuxoperation
gbas wrote: I am interested in using the Linux system, however after accessing your site and spending some considerable time in going round in circles I am emailing as a desperate last measure to try to finnd out how to get thinge going after installing Ubuntu. I would like to know for example , how to set up an Internet connection and other general usage. Hi John, You've reached the email list for developing Ubuntu documentation, you're more likely to get help by using the British Ubuntu list - ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com whom I've CC'd and set as the follow up. Otherwise the following resources are likely to prove useful [EMAIL PROTECTED], the #ubuntu IRC channel or http://ubuntuforums.org. To help you we'd need to know more detail - what kind of network connection are you trying to set up? Are you using a BT speedtouch modem, wifi, or something else? Wifi documentation is available here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs Hope that helps, Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Awareness-Raising Campaign Idea (was Ubuntu CNR deal)
Hi all, We have to ask ourselves why we use Linux over other OS's and why ubuntu over other distro's. I think you will find many different answers. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but this has hit upon something that's been bubbling up in my brain and I think it's appropriate to share it with the rest of the list. I have a vision of an awareness-raising advertising campaign based around why we choose to use FLOSS and possibly why we chose Ubuntu in particular. You know how sometimes someone will ask you why you do something, you give a long-winded explanation, qualify it with an example... then sum it up with something like It's a bloke thing.? I thought something like that would make for a catchy tag line and I came up with a few: It's a standards thing. It's an openness thing. It's a freedom thing. It's a security thing. It's a stability thing. It's a community thing. I think the latter is especially relevant to Ubuntu. I've had a think about the content of some of them too. The biggest problem I have is actually making them happen -- I can't draw for toffee, so I doubt I'd be able to storyboard them very well. I might be able to explain the ideas to someone who could though. What do people think about this kind of campaign? They could take the form of short TV clips, possibly comic strips. We could have other campaign-related material like bumper stickers and leaflets with the tag lines on. I'd be more than happy to discuss my ideas if people are willing to help develop them. Cheers, JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Awareness-Raising Campaign Idea (was Ubuntu CNR deal)
On 2/12/07, James Tait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We have to ask ourselves why we use Linux over other OS's and why ubuntu over other distro's. I think you will find many different answers. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but this has hit upon something that's been bubbling up in my brain and I think it's appropriate to share it with the rest of the list. I have a vision of an awareness-raising advertising campaign based around why we choose to use FLOSS and possibly why we chose Ubuntu in particular. You know how sometimes someone will ask you why you do something, you give a long-winded explanation, qualify it with an example... then sum it up with something like It's a bloke thing.? I thought something like that would make for a catchy tag line and I came up with a few: It's a standards thing. It's an openness thing. It's a freedom thing. It's a security thing. It's a stability thing. It's a community thing. I think the latter is especially relevant to Ubuntu. I've had a think about the content of some of them too. The biggest problem I have is actually making them happen -- I can't draw for toffee, so I doubt I'd be able to storyboard them very well. I might be able to explain the ideas to someone who could though. What do people think about this kind of campaign? They could take the form of short TV clips, possibly comic strips. We could have other campaign-related material like bumper stickers and leaflets with the tag lines on. I'd be more than happy to discuss my ideas if people are willing to help develop them. Cheers, JT You also need to carefully define your target eg the huge population of semi-bored computer-illiterates might be more productive than experienced-with-windows men-in-the-street ? And once they get the message, they will tell their grandchildren. -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partition imagining and dvd burning.
Llywelyn Owen wrote: I'm looking for an open source or free partition imaging application, preferably one that doesn't need Windows to setup and can be booted from a cd/dvd. Ideally it would see SATA drives and NTFS/Reiser/EXT* formatted partitions. Oh, and a have a GUI! I also need a way to burn iso images to DVD, as opposed to CDs, from within Linux. K3B does not not do DVDs. What else is there? Most of what I have (cover disks etc) seem to fail to see SATA drives or Linux partitions. Any recommendations? -- Hwyl/Regards Llywelyn Owen Hi, I believe gparted will deal with everything you require for partitioning (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/), including a liveCD version. K3B does burn dvd ISOs: Tools - Burn DVD ISO Image. If you mean burning a cd ISO to dvd, I'm not sure if it's possible with anything, let alone K3B. Regards, Adam. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partition imagining and dvd burning.
On Monday, 12.02.2007 at 21:37 +, Llywelyn Owen wrote: I'm looking for an open source or free partition imaging application, preferably one that doesn't need Windows to setup and can be booted from a cd/dvd. Ideally it would see SATA drives and NTFS/Reiser/EXT* formatted partitions. Oh, and a have a GUI! Doesn't have a GUI (well, it does, but it's curses rather than 'graphical'), but you might want to check out partimage. I also need a way to burn iso images to DVD, as opposed to CDs, from within Linux. K3B does not not do DVDs. What else is there? k3b *does* do DVDs. What makes you think it does not? Dave. -- Dave Ewart - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - freenode: davee All email from me is now digitally signed, key from http://www.sungate.co.uk/ Fingerprint: AEC5 9360 0A35 7F66 66E9 82E4 9E10 6769 CD28 DA92 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
Stephen Morrish wrote: On 2/12/07, *Tony Arnold* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the implication is that many Windows users are already 'mindless idiots'. Or to be more fair, people who have bought a machine that already has Windows installed and just want to start using without ever having to understand about operating systems and how to administer them. Such people either haven't got any anti-virus/anti-spyware etc., or they asked their mate (or teenage offspring!) to do it for them. I know lots of people that use Windows, very few could be described as mindless. I was not trying to imply all Windows users are mindless! In fact I was suggesting they are not mindless but a victim of the way systems are sold and the expectation they have that computer just work just how they expect them to. Given that projects like Automatrix and Easy are so popular shows that there is a need for them. Issue have arisen from using them, I think that addressing these issue by bringing a solution in house is an excellent idea. I've no objection to making life easier for users, but I still think one gets far more out of a system if one has a little understanding of what it does and to some extent how it does it. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: On 12/02/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it odd, because no-one expects to drive a car without doing some learning and even taking a test, but some people expect to use a computer with no training/learning/effort what so ever! That's called the law. And it became law become someone realised it was not a good idea to have lots of untrained dirvers on the road as bad things would happen. If there was no legal requirement to pass testing I suspect there would be a larger proportion of clueless people on the road. I agree. And we have a lot of clueless computer users on the Internet. It's not their fault either but a result of the way machines are sold and the expectations that have been set for them. As a result, though, bad things happen. For example, we have an enormous amount of SPAM due machines infected with trojans enabling huge botnets to evolve that can deliver this SPAM. The difference of course is that computers do not regularly kill people. Same goes for the televisions, radios, washing machines and lawnmowers that we happily use without training. No, but bad things can still happen with some of these devices if not used correctly. Successful home appliances (of which a PC is one) need to be user-friendly, intuitive and require minimal maintenance. If you want to pull them apart you're free to do so but the bar to achieve *normal* *safe* operation - as with any consumer device - should be set as low as possible. The problem is that most home appliances have one job to do. They may have some bells and whistles around that job, but most consumer devices serve a single function. Computers on the other hand can do lots of things and are, IMHO, significantly more complex. A user will get far more out of a system and run into less trouble if he/she learns just a little about what is going on. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Awareness-Raising Campaign Idea (was Ubuntu CNR deal)
Robin Menneer wrote: You also need to carefully define your target eg the huge population of semi-bored computer-illiterates might be more productive than experienced-with-windows men-in-the-street ? You may very well be right. I think especially with people who are not already seasoned/regular computer users and are just deciding to venture in to this brave new world and buy a PC at home for the first time, one very important question they will ask is What do you use?, shortly followed by Why?. I think this type of campaign would be particularly effective for these people. That's not to say that I don't think it has a potential audience among the Windows-faithful. I still believe that Vista is an opportunity for Ubuntu to come to the fore, with people who would normally have said I'm buying a PC, therefore I'll get/need a copy of Windows now pausing for a moment to consider the alternatives. Again, such a campaign would, I think, prove effective. I do have regular Windows users asking me about Linux and I'm more than happy to tell them what it is and why I use it. It hasn't yet resulted in any full-blown conversions, but the message is beginning to get across. And once they get the message, they will tell their grandchildren. Indeed. Up until now, conventional wisdom has suggested that having a PC means running Windows. With more visibility to those not already acquainted with FLOSS and more positive association, I think we will see a snowball effect. JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partition imagining and dvd burning.
Llywelyn Owen wrote: I'm looking for an open source or free partition imaging application, preferably one that doesn't need Windows to setup and can be booted from a cd/dvd. Ideally it would see SATA drives and NTFS/Reiser/EXT* formatted partitions. Oh, and a have a GUI! I would take a look at partimage. IIRC it's not GUI'd but a terminal based interface. I'm not sure if it is on the Ubuntu live CD, but it's probably on the knoppix CD. I have a feeling you can build a bootable floppy with it on too. I also need a way to burn iso images to DVD, as opposed to CDs, from within Linux. K3B does not not do DVDs. What else is there? I'm pretty sure Gnome does this, but if you are KDE fan that may not help. Most of what I have (cover disks etc) seem to fail to see SATA drives or Linux partitions. Knoppix will see these as well as the Ubuntu live CD. Hope this helps. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partition imagining and dvd burning.
Yes, I did mean CD isos to DVD. I think I'll have to ditch that idea. I didn't realise Gparted could copy as well. thought it was just a partitioning tool - thanks for that info. I'll also take a peek at partimage, thanks for that info, too. Should have what I need now if all goes well. -- Hwyl/Regards Llywelyn Owen -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old kernals
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of baza Sent: 13 February 2007 00:18 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] old kernals Hi, I've got loads of old kernals in my boot menu, how do I remove the ones I don't need from my system? You could edit the menu.lst file and remove them /etc/grub i think, but they will all return the next time you install a new kernel via update Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] old kernals
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 00:37 +, baza wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 00:31 +, Paul Mellors wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of baza Sent: 13 February 2007 00:18 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] old kernals Hi, I've got loads of old kernals in my boot menu, how do I remove the ones I don't need from my system? You could edit the menu.lst file and remove them /etc/grub i think, but they will all return the next time you install a new kernel via update Paul IS there not a way to remove the files too, so they don't come back? Baz -- To answer my question : use synaptic to remove the image file :) -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Awareness-Raising Campaign Idea (was Ubuntu CNR deal)
On 12/02/07, James Tait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: You also need to carefully define your target eg the huge population of semi-bored computer-illiterates might be more productive than experienced-with-windows men-in-the-street ? You may very well be right. I think especially with people who are not already seasoned/regular computer users and are just deciding to venture in to this brave new world and buy a PC at home for the first time, one very important question they will ask is What do you use?, shortly followed by Why?. I think this type of campaign would be particularly effective for these people. That's not to say that I don't think it has a potential audience among the Windows-faithful. I still believe that Vista is an opportunity for Ubuntu to come to the fore, with people who would normally have said I'm buying a PC, therefore I'll get/need a copy of Windows now pausing for a moment to consider the alternatives. Again, such a campaign would, I think, prove effective. I do have regular Windows users asking me about Linux and I'm more than happy to tell them what it is and why I use it. It hasn't yet resulted in any full-blown conversions, but the message is beginning to get across. And once they get the message, they will tell their grandchildren. Indeed. Up until now, conventional wisdom has suggested that having a PC means running Windows. With more visibility to those not already acquainted with FLOSS and more positive association, I think we will see a snowball effect. JT Promoting GNU Linux I've always found to be on a case by case basis with most even after discussion preferring to stick with the devil they know. Over the years I have had success with complete converts and limited success with others, getting them to use apps like Firefox and Open Office on their Windows machines. Best success I've found is appealing to peoples wallets, security benefits and showing people the alternate day to day apps for web browsing, office work, email, chat etc. that they would get on a GNU Linux system; the fact the Ubuntu desktop looks nice and is simple eases a lot of peoples fears and helps with making people comfortable. Though I will note that I do drop the default panel layout and change it to be more Windows with a single panel at the bottom of the screen. Vista I do not see as that much of an opportunity but a greater threat to GNU Linux than XP was. I currently run two Vista systems and both are very good and stable. One thing that does erk me sometimes is people who push the thousands of apps in the repositories when most normal folks only use a small core of applications. A real annoyance is when people fire up synaptic and see what are quite frankly rubbish descriptions for apps and libs etc. that sometimes leave even me wondering what the hell is that really. Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partition imagining and dvd burning.
On Monday, 12.02.2007 at 22:37 +, Llywelyn Owen wrote: Yes, I did mean CD isos to DVD. I think I'll have to ditch that idea. You can write ISOs to CD or to DVD, there's no fundamental difference in the file format (i.e. no such thing as a CD iso v. DVD iso). Of course, an ISO larger than the capacity of a CD won't fit. My point: you ought to be able to write any ISO up to 4.7GB to a DVD. And using k3b. I've done this. Dave. -- Dave Ewart - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - freenode: davee All email from me is now digitally signed, key from http://www.sungate.co.uk/ Fingerprint: AEC5 9360 0A35 7F66 66E9 82E4 9E10 6769 CD28 DA92 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
