Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
Quoting TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> There are way to many people (and this isn't specicially directed at you) in >> the UK standing by looking on saying "that LUG is dead" without actually >> getting off their arse and doing something about it. IMHO. > > You're right, though, and this has been my approach to LUGs. > > >> If the LUG really is dead, with the LUGMaster AWOL you can ask to take it >> over and if the members agree that's a good thing then off you go. > > I'll make them an offer they can't refuse. > > Just kidding. I'm no administrator, but it's worth looking into, if it > is on its last legs. http://www.thanet.lug.org.uk";> It's worth giving it a poke. I gave Thanet LUG a poke before christmas, took over the running from the previous owner (who appeared to have disappeared off the face of the planet!) restarted the website (it's crap, but there we go!) and we had a meeting a few months back at which 6 people turned up and we're looking to have another meeting soon. I've attempted to document some of the steps I've taken in setting the LUG up on the blog on the website (very web 2.0!) so that may help you. Cheers, Matt -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodies?" -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 29/03/2007 02:02:16: > On 29/03/07, Pete Ryland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >This is a free (IIRC) event with a great mix of fun and energetic > talks, social time, and stall > > information. > > Nope, not free. It costs, but you can email them and ask for a > concession and if your reason is funny/odd enough, you get one. > http://www.lugradio.org/live/2007/index.php/Register Let's put this into perspective. It's _not_ free, but the full ticket price is only £5, which might as well be free ;) The concession price is £3, and they've yet to refuse someone a concession if they've written in. International visitors do get in for free. mrben -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 09:21 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > > Not really a turnaround. The trademark policy is quite clear on > > modifying the logo. > > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy > > > > Those have been the same since at least 2005, probably longer. > > > > In which case nowt has changed then ;-) > > So there should be no problem with submitting modified graphics to > Canonical for approval :-P You're not reading any of the links I've posted. At the above link, under "Logo Standards", it explains in detail what Canonical would prefer you to do in relation to the logo, and that includes not modifying it except in the ways stipulated. So does Matthew's email that I linked to earlier in the thread. However, as we've all said on this thread already, Canonical are quite nice about the issue in general. These are intended to be guidelines, which we should follow, rather than some kind of dictatorial stance. I don't really see how this issue is complicated!! Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
Alan Pope wrote: > My local LUG meets are great fun. They are a tremendously social event with > a lot of chat and general shooting the breeze. > > The tech stuff can get deep but it's not like you have to sit and talk to > someone about the subtleties of one kernel config parameter over another, > you can just go and talk to someone else if you're getting geeked at. > LUGoG meetings are generally good fun and fairly light hearted... there's access to a kitchen and a kettle at the hall in which we meet, so it's all quite sociable... Whilst I've seen conflict on the e-mail list associated with the group (though rarely!) I've never seen conflict at the actual meetings... everybody gets on like a house on fire... (famous last words, the next will no doubt now descend into chaos on principle, lol!) The advantage that LUGoG has over e-mail mutual support lists is that people can actually bring their equipment to the meeting and people can help them fix their issues there and then... rather than saying "type this... type that... it should say this... then type this and it will be fixed" and get the reply "but it didn't say that! it said 'failed to find library xxhdy1kdh3 in kernel module dhjsdh234gd.j34h1gd.4'" etc. etc... things can be resolved there and then, or if not a member will volunteer to meet the person again (perhaps at home if, for example, it's a broadband issue that can't be replicated at the meeting) and it'll get sorted one way or another. Andrew Walrond, the creator of the "Heretix" distro, has been doing a lot of presentations lately at the more structured 2nd Tuesday meeting and they are of a very high quality. Demonstrating ways to share one's desktop over the web is useful too, because it means that people on the group can help out others on the group directly rather than in the aforementioned "I suggest you do that" style... "can I just log into your machine, please, and take a look then I'll get back to you" is far more constructive... the "in person" meetings help to build that trust that is likely to have a member say "sure!"... and then things move... Just my thoughts on this particular discussion. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 29/03/07, Pete Ryland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This is a free (IIRC) event with a great mix of fun and energetic talks, social time, and stall > information. Nope, not free. It costs, but you can email them and ask for a concession and if your reason is funny/odd enough, you get one. http://www.lugradio.org/live/2007/index.php/Register -- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 28/03/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:17:39PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > Any national events? > A friend of mine organised a national install day a few years ago and I > think his current opinion is "never again". It's like herding cats. Each LUG > has its own agenda, own way of doing things. They rarely agree on anything. > If the LUGMaster list is anything to go by they never will. UKUUG kind of caters for national Linux interests - not surprising considering some of its organizers work for Linux-based companies. It is more aimed at professional Unix types, but they have a yearly Linux conference which is normally very good. There's also the Lugradio event (which our own Jono B obviously has quite a big hand in) which I believe will be happening every year. This is a free (IIRC) event with a great mix of fun and energetic talks, social time, and stall information. Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ktorrent, firewall and blocked connections
Neil Greenwood wrote: > On 28/03/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am mystified though about the service names (and associated ports) >> at the time. For example one was Gatecrasher (service name) and this >> was trying to go out on port 6969 and google indicates this is a >> (windows) trojan. > > Hi Alan, > > I can't answer your question about the blocked connections on the firewall. > > > Regarding the mystery service names: for something like BitTorrent or > FTP (yes I know you're not using it, but the same argument applies) > that opens multiple connections, the local port number that is opened > will quite probably flag up as something that is registered to a high > number. Service names are mainly for listening ports. > > It doesn't actually mean that you have a trojan - it's unlikely unless > you've managed to infect a Wine installation with one! > > You might be able to identify the connection more reliably using > something like Wireshark (formerly known as ethereal), which looks at > the traffic passing over the connection rather than just looking for > the port number. > > > Hopefully, I've put your mind at rest. If you're still confused, let > me know and I'll try to clear it up further. thanks Neil. The fact that these are being blocked by the firewall is basically reassuring (!) I do not run wine, wanting to get a best distance from winworld. Service names being mainly listening ports - useful thanks. So I guess that for some reason, activity associated with ktorrent, which I see is getting connected very properly via its allocated port/s 6881 or 6882 it seems that something, maybe ktorrent, is causing outbound (attempts?) listening on some occasions. The blocked connections have various port numbers. a selection is: portservice 13086 unknown 16545 unknown 30169 unknown 4550unknown 32882 Sun-RPC Portmap 5866unknown 512 exec 50505 Sockets de Troi 6969Gatecrasher the final three look suspicious (from google responses), I have no idea about the others. Maybe if I could find the reasons I could patent it and M$ would buy the patent from me for a large sum?? :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:54:08PM +0100, Caroline Ford wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:33 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > > > > > Well, we often invite other LUGs to come and visit us, and we invite > > ourselves to other LUGs where practical. We have had a joint meeting at > > Surry LUG meeting venue (RedHat in Guildford), and on a number of > > occassions > > people from Surrey have come along to a Hants meet. Indeed people from > > Sussex have also come to Hants in the past. We are lucky that we have quite > > a large well connected venue at Southampton Uni. > > GLLUG (Greater London LUG) has a wide catchment area and has people > coming from all over the place! > Yeah. They are a good bunch. I have attended a couple of of GLLUG, well, one GLLUG, one Lonix and had a good time having never met anyone there before. > I've read on some lists that some women feel uncomfortable in attending > an entirely social meeting (especially if you don't know anybody) but > are happy with something more structured. > I had never considered that. I have no clue to be honest about what women would want out of a LUG meeting. We have a few women who regularly attend our LUG meets, and it would be great if we knew if there's anything specific they need. We have a questionaire which we are preparing and hopefully we can get some info from the members about what they want. > Anyway - we seem to have more women active than there are in Ubuntu-UK > (!) so we must be doing something right.. > \o/ Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ktorrent, firewall and blocked connections
On 28/03/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am mystified though about the service names (and associated ports) > at the time. For example one was Gatecrasher (service name) and this > was trying to go out on port 6969 and google indicates this is a > (windows) trojan. Hi Alan, I can't answer your question about the blocked connections on the firewall. Regarding the mystery service names: for something like BitTorrent or FTP (yes I know you're not using it, but the same argument applies) that opens multiple connections, the local port number that is opened will quite probably flag up as something that is registered to a high number. Service names are mainly for listening ports. It doesn't actually mean that you have a trojan - it's unlikely unless you've managed to infect a Wine installation with one! You might be able to identify the connection more reliably using something like Wireshark (formerly known as ethereal), which looks at the traffic passing over the connection rather than just looking for the port number. Hopefully, I've put your mind at rest. If you're still confused, let me know and I'll try to clear it up further. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
Caroline Ford wrote: > GLLUG (Greater London LUG) has a wide catchment area and has people > coming from all over the place! > > As a more technical and less drinking orientated (although that goes on > afterwards) we get a really diverse bunch. > > I've read on some lists that some women feel uncomfortable in attending > an entirely social meeting (especially if you don't know anybody) but > are happy with something more structured. > Linux User Group of Glastonbury appears to have settled down again now, having lost our permanent home some time ago... we have a venue called the "Davies Hall" at West Camel, just north of Yeovil, which has internet access and is proving good value. We're meeting, God willing, 2nd Tuesday for a structured meeting (presentations, workshops etc.) and 4th Thursday for a more open "come with your problems" type evening. If anybody from Dorset, Devon or further afield wishes to come please feel free to join the LUGOG Mailing List, which you will find linked from http://lugog.org.uk Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:33 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > > Well, we often invite other LUGs to come and visit us, and we invite > ourselves to other LUGs where practical. We have had a joint meeting at > Surry LUG meeting venue (RedHat in Guildford), and on a number of occassions > people from Surrey have come along to a Hants meet. Indeed people from > Sussex have also come to Hants in the past. We are lucky that we have quite > a large well connected venue at Southampton Uni. GLLUG (Greater London LUG) has a wide catchment area and has people coming from all over the place! As a more technical and less drinking orientated (although that goes on afterwards) we get a really diverse bunch. I've read on some lists that some women feel uncomfortable in attending an entirely social meeting (especially if you don't know anybody) but are happy with something more structured. Anyway - we seem to have more women active than there are in Ubuntu-UK (!) so we must be doing something right.. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:28:08PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > But where is it written that people who disagree have to go at it hammer > and tongues or descend into personal animosity? No doubt most of us > have been there, but at least some of us learn from it. 'Growing up' is > what I think it's called? > :) I can't claim to be an innocent party here. I have taken part in flame wars on numerous lists. I'm not proud of that, and I try to temper my reactions and delay my negative replies (or run them past someone else first) to reduce me doing that. > Too many fragile egos in too many areas, methinks. Like you suggest, a > good admin/chair should be able to steer disputes towards some sort of > civilised and productive debate. Maturity should do the rest. > Where exactly are you from and how long are you staying with us here on planet Earth? :) We even drew up some guidelines:- http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MailingList/Tips Which I think are actually pretty damn good. Nobody reads them though, and those that do, many ignore it. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
TheVeech wrote: >>> I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, >>> but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of >>> the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated >>> for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? >>> >> You don't say where you are. > > Worcestershire, although Birmingham is just as convenient. I'd even > travel to London if necessary, seeing as though I've lived there, and > could fit it in with a long weekend. > > >> Some areas have multiple LUGs, maybe one at the county level, and more at >> the City/Town level. I know Sussex has two, Hampshire has three LUGs, but >> often there is overlap between them. There is almost always co-operation >> between the LUGs, although in my opinion nowhere near enough of that. >> >> If your local LUG is dying, give it a poke on their mailing list, see what >> people have planned, and offer to help. > > Will do. I'm in Worcestershire and would be very happy to assist getting the Worcester LUG a little more active, it that is the one you were thinking of? I attempted the suggested 'poke' just before Christmas and got a little response. Unfortunately I've been snowed under since the New Year and thus have let the (very) small start I made melt away. Stuart --- Linux #423936 Ubuntu #4500 --- IRC = Narrf | www.narrf.net --- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:17:39PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > No worries. Seriously, I think most people's ideas of them are that > they're a bit like a geekfest, something akin to a Star Trek convention > (which also caricatures them!). That said, the people I know who are > proficient with Linux could hardly be described as 'geek' types. > > Just laugh off things like this, call them daft and slip in the truth > while you're at it. The reader-response studies I've come across are on > your side. Besides, the facts speak for themselves, as you've already > outlined and made everyone here aware of, if they didn't already know > (neutralising the negativity of the caricature, IMHO). > > Another possibility is to find a way to address it, if it becomes an > irritant. But if you think such things are bad, try sitting through > '300'. Now THAT's bad! > Nicely done, thanks. > You mentioned that there's some communication between LUGs - is there > anything worthwhile where people can read up on them (so far, though, > it's mainly people who are already members who are talking about them > here)? Another query is if there's coordination for things like > campaigns, events, etc.? > Well, we often invite other LUGs to come and visit us, and we invite ourselves to other LUGs where practical. We have had a joint meeting at Surry LUG meeting venue (RedHat in Guildford), and on a number of occassions people from Surrey have come along to a Hants meet. Indeed people from Sussex have also come to Hants in the past. We are lucky that we have quite a large well connected venue at Southampton Uni. There is also a mailing list just for LUGMasters where people running LUGs can share information, and others can disseminate info "down" to the LUGs rather than mail them all individually. > Any national events? > A friend of mine organised a national install day a few years ago and I think his current opinion is "never again". It's like herding cats. Each LUG has its own agenda, own way of doing things. They rarely agree on anything. If the LUGMaster list is anything to go by they never will. I suspect that distro-specific groups such as this one are better placed to organise these things because there are many people here who represent LUGs or are members of LUGs. So they could take that national plan to their LUG who may comprise people who are interested and will help, and people who hate Ubuntu and would never be seen associated with it. It's that difference of opinion that makes multi-LUG events near impossible to organise. There is of course the international event "Software Freedom Day" which transcends LUGs and distro specific groups because it focuses on software *freedom* not Linux, not GNU, not Ubuntu. Freedom which is *generally* something we *roughly* strive towards. > Being as enthusiastic as you are about this, you should think about > doing some sort of feature on it. > Hahah. It's tricky. Nobody represents all LUGs. Anything anyone says or does will be countered vigarously by someone else, so it generally goes undone, and unsaid. As an example I have known lengthy threads about what type of gaffer/duct/masking tape to buy to tidy cables at a LUG meeting. This went on for many days and involved the opinion of around 6 people. Scale that up to 100+ LUGs organising an event. *shudder* :) > > Each to their own I guess, but at least give them a chance :) > > You already have. I'm sold! > Hurrah! :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:10 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:31:04PM +0100, Rob Beard wrote: > > I'm a member of the Devon & Cornwall LUG (or Devon & Cornwall GLUG as it > > was renamed). Most of the time the members are helpful and there are > > some good discussions on there, occasionally there are flame wars > > though, one recently stemmed from the getgnulinux.org web site, it > > seemed that one of the members of the LUG didn't like the fact that > > Ubuntu was on the list of suggested distros because of the proprietary > > additions to Ubuntu. His response was that everyone should be running > > pure free software, like Gnusense. > > > > Every community has flame wars / disputs. > > Whether it's built around Linux, > Windows, Toyota Supras, Cameras, Gardening or whatever. People have strong > opinions and mailing lists are a great way to voice those opinions with > little or no danger of someone punching you :) * LOL. But where is it written that people who disagree have to go at it hammer and tongues or descend into personal animosity? No doubt most of us have been there, but at least some of us learn from it. 'Growing up' is what I think it's called? Too many fragile egos in too many areas, methinks. Like you suggest, a good admin/chair should be able to steer disputes towards some sort of civilised and productive debate. Maturity should do the rest. > HantsLUG have recently had heated debates about one distro vs another > (debian/ubuntu in this case), open vs closed mailing list archives, windows > vs Linux and so on. > > We have had people flounce off when they disagree with LUG policy or get > annoyed with people. It happens unfortunately. > > So long as the list has a good admin or admins who can stamp on the flames > when it gets out of hand, I suspect for the most part things go well. > > > Cheers, > Al > > > * although I understand one prominent LUG had exactly that issue and is why > there are now two LUGs in that locale. :S > > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 19:28 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 06:34:37PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:35 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > > > TheVeech wrote: > > > > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > > > > > > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > > > > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > > > > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > > > > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > > > > > I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it > > > quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the > > > AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! > > > > Don't be daft. Of course I'm not judgemental. There's nothing wrong > > with pointy ears (i.e. it's judgemental). > > > > Clearly via email I cannot detect a sense of humour here, so bear with me if > this is badly dectected. > > :( Negative comments like this about LUGs by people who have not been to a > meeting make me sad and a little cross. No worries. Seriously, I think most people's ideas of them are that they're a bit like a geekfest, something akin to a Star Trek convention (which also caricatures them!). That said, the people I know who are proficient with Linux could hardly be described as 'geek' types. Just laugh off things like this, call them daft and slip in the truth while you're at it. The reader-response studies I've come across are on your side. Besides, the facts speak for themselves, as you've already outlined and made everyone here aware of, if they didn't already know (neutralising the negativity of the caricature, IMHO). Another possibility is to find a way to address it, if it becomes an irritant. But if you think such things are bad, try sitting through '300'. Now THAT's bad! > My local LUG meets are great fun. They are a tremendously social event with > a lot of chat and general shooting the breeze. > > The tech stuff can get deep but it's not like you have to sit and talk to > someone about the subtleties of one kernel config parameter over another, > you can just go and talk to someone else if you're getting geeked at. > > > > > I've found > > > AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. > > > > This is what I'd be after. It sounds like it's a similar mood and > > approach to, say, the Ubuntu forums and the mailing lists, which I've > > found really impressive at times. > > > > Each LUG is different of course, some have pub meets, others meet in > offices, universities of church halls. They all have their merits and often > the locals like the way things run or they either wouldn't attend (sad, > means low numbers in LUGs) or they instigate change (as Colin has done in > Kent). You mentioned that there's some communication between LUGs - is there anything worthwhile where people can read up on them (so far, though, it's mainly people who are already members who are talking about them here)? Another query is if there's coordination for things like campaigns, events, etc.? > > > I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far > > > more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the > > > LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) > > > > As an example there are 178 members (not filtering duplicate addresses) on > the Hampshire LUG list. At each meeting around 10-40 people turn up > depending upon time of year, what talks are scheduled and who has broken > stuff or gadgets to show off. Any national events? > > I think I'd feel pretty comfortable in a crowd like that, but what about > > people who are still getting to grips with the 'basics' - would they > > benefit or would they feel a bit out of place? > > > > We get complete newbies at our LUG. People have been known to just walk in > off the street and ask for help. Others travel some distance to come. > > We have name badges on (mostly - unless we forget) showing the distro we > know, and have someone sat at the door directing new people to a place to > sit, where to get power and LAN, and who to talk to about specific issues. > > I'm not saying ours is the best run LUG, many would find the above awful, > but it works for us. Other LUGs like meeting in a curry house or pub during > the week and their members would never dream of actually giving up a weekend > to go to geek-out. Being as enthusiastic as you are about this, you should think about doing some sort of feature on it. > Each to their own I guess, but at least give them a chance :) You already have. I'm sold! > Cheers, > Al. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:31:04PM +0100, Rob Beard wrote: > I'm a member of the Devon & Cornwall LUG (or Devon & Cornwall GLUG as it > was renamed). Most of the time the members are helpful and there are > some good discussions on there, occasionally there are flame wars > though, one recently stemmed from the getgnulinux.org web site, it > seemed that one of the members of the LUG didn't like the fact that > Ubuntu was on the list of suggested distros because of the proprietary > additions to Ubuntu. His response was that everyone should be running > pure free software, like Gnusense. > Every community has flame wars / disputs. Whether it's built around Linux, Windows, Toyota Supras, Cameras, Gardening or whatever. People have strong opinions and mailing lists are a great way to voice those opinions with little or no danger of someone punching you :) * HantsLUG have recently had heated debates about one distro vs another (debian/ubuntu in this case), open vs closed mailing list archives, windows vs Linux and so on. We have had people flounce off when they disagree with LUG policy or get annoyed with people. It happens unfortunately. So long as the list has a good admin or admins who can stamp on the flames when it gets out of hand, I suspect for the most part things go well. Cheers, Al * although I understand one prominent LUG had exactly that issue and is why there are now two LUGs in that locale. :S -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:59 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: > On 3/28/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:35 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > > > TheVeech wrote: > > > > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > > > > > > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > > > > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > > > > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > > > > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > > > > > I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it > > > quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the > > > AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! > > > > Don't be daft. Of course I'm not judgemental. There's nothing wrong > > with pointy ears (i.e. it's judgemental). > > > > > > > I've found > > > AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. > > > > This is what I'd be after. It sounds like it's a similar mood and > > approach to, say, the Ubuntu forums and the mailing lists, which I've > > found really impressive at times. > > > > > > > I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far > > > more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the > > > LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) > > > > I think I'd feel pretty comfortable in a crowd like that, but what about > > people who are still getting to grips with the 'basics' - would they > > benefit or would they feel a bit out of place? > > > > > Not only am I trying to get to grips with the basics, I have no wish, > for instance, to get involved with music. All I need is a decent word > processer and drawing program like OO but stable (why isn't OO stable > ?) and a few specific packages to meet passing needs, like a > curvilinear graph drawing program with regression equations. These I > expect to offload from the web via the desktop and not the command > line. Much more than this just confuses. The sort of meeting talked > about would merely be irrelevant and I would be angry if I was > persuaded to travel a long way for it. You did highlight something I thought was worth pursuing, so I gave it a go last week. But it drew a blank online. This might be a reason to join a LUG to bounce ideas off people who know the scene better than I do and have a better understanding of what's 'doable' and what's not and where it's better to focus your energies. For me, after reading the posts here, meeting up with some folks in person at a LUG is a pretty exciting prospect. > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Tony. > > > -- > > > Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt > > > Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 > > > Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 > > > > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
TheVeech wrote: > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > > I'm a member of the Devon & Cornwall LUG (or Devon & Cornwall GLUG as it was renamed). Most of the time the members are helpful and there are some good discussions on there, occasionally there are flame wars though, one recently stemmed from the getgnulinux.org web site, it seemed that one of the members of the LUG didn't like the fact that Ubuntu was on the list of suggested distros because of the proprietary additions to Ubuntu. His response was that everyone should be running pure free software, like Gnusense. The general feel of most of the members though was that to get more people to move over to Linux then sometimes the option of having a little bit of proprietary code (NVidia/ATI drivers for instance) isn't such a bad thing. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 06:34:37PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:35 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > > TheVeech wrote: > > > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > > > > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > > > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > > > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > > > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > > > I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it > > quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the > > AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! > > Don't be daft. Of course I'm not judgemental. There's nothing wrong > with pointy ears (i.e. it's judgemental). > Clearly via email I cannot detect a sense of humour here, so bear with me if this is badly dectected. :( Negative comments like this about LUGs by people who have not been to a meeting make me sad and a little cross. My local LUG meets are great fun. They are a tremendously social event with a lot of chat and general shooting the breeze. The tech stuff can get deep but it's not like you have to sit and talk to someone about the subtleties of one kernel config parameter over another, you can just go and talk to someone else if you're getting geeked at. > > > I've found > > AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. > > This is what I'd be after. It sounds like it's a similar mood and > approach to, say, the Ubuntu forums and the mailing lists, which I've > found really impressive at times. > Each LUG is different of course, some have pub meets, others meet in offices, universities of church halls. They all have their merits and often the locals like the way things run or they either wouldn't attend (sad, means low numbers in LUGs) or they instigate change (as Colin has done in Kent). > > I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far > > more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the > > LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) > As an example there are 178 members (not filtering duplicate addresses) on the Hampshire LUG list. At each meeting around 10-40 people turn up depending upon time of year, what talks are scheduled and who has broken stuff or gadgets to show off. > I think I'd feel pretty comfortable in a crowd like that, but what about > people who are still getting to grips with the 'basics' - would they > benefit or would they feel a bit out of place? > We get complete newbies at our LUG. People have been known to just walk in off the street and ask for help. Others travel some distance to come. We have name badges on (mostly - unless we forget) showing the distro we know, and have someone sat at the door directing new people to a place to sit, where to get power and LAN, and who to talk to about specific issues. I'm not saying ours is the best run LUG, many would find the above awful, but it works for us. Other LUGs like meeting in a curry house or pub during the week and their members would never dream of actually giving up a weekend to go to geek-out. Each to their own I guess, but at least give them a chance :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 3/28/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:35 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > > TheVeech wrote: > > > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > > > > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > > > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > > > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > > > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > > > I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it > > quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the > > AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! > > Don't be daft. Of course I'm not judgemental. There's nothing wrong > with pointy ears (i.e. it's judgemental). > > > > I've found > > AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. > > This is what I'd be after. It sounds like it's a similar mood and > approach to, say, the Ubuntu forums and the mailing lists, which I've > found really impressive at times. > > > > I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far > > more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the > > LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) > > I think I'd feel pretty comfortable in a crowd like that, but what about > people who are still getting to grips with the 'basics' - would they > benefit or would they feel a bit out of place? > > Not only am I trying to get to grips with the basics, I have no wish, for instance, to get involved with music. All I need is a decent word processer and drawing program like OO but stable (why isn't OO stable ?) and a few specific packages to meet passing needs, like a curvilinear graph drawing program with regression equations. These I expect to offload from the web via the desktop and not the command line. Much more than this just confuses. The sort of meeting talked about would merely be irrelevant and I would be angry if I was persuaded to travel a long way for it. > > Best wishes, > > > > Tony. > > -- > > Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt > > Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 > > Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 > > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:58 +0100, Colin McCarthy wrote: > > > On 3/28/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Trouble is, the one for my neck of > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been > updated > for a long time. > > > What is your neck of the woods? I am a member of the Kent LUG and we > are quiet active. > It is great to 'physically' meet like minded people rather than just > talk online. Sometimes our meetings are pure geekfests, but we love > helping new converts and welcome new members to the group. That was > my reception when I converted last year. This meeting people who are actually using Linux is great, but at the moment, in the offline world, I tend to only meet up with people who are essentially newbies. That's helpful in its way, but it's a bit restrictive for me and them. > Colin > > > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:35 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > TheVeech wrote: > > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it > quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the > AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! Don't be daft. Of course I'm not judgemental. There's nothing wrong with pointy ears (i.e. it's judgemental). > I've found > AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. This is what I'd be after. It sounds like it's a similar mood and approach to, say, the Ubuntu forums and the mailing lists, which I've found really impressive at times. > I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far > more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the > LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) I think I'd feel pretty comfortable in a crowd like that, but what about people who are still getting to grips with the 'basics' - would they benefit or would they feel a bit out of place? > Best wishes, > > Tony. > -- > Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt > Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 > Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:53:13PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > > > My local one is quite active. Well, there are two near me, Hampshire and > Surrey. Hampshire meets every month on or near the first saturday in the > month. We have two locations at opposite ends of the county to make it easy > for people all over the place to attend. > > All our meets are "bring a box / installfest" style where people bring > computers to have problems fixed, or show stuff off, or just socialise. > > We used to have pub meets on alternate months but these became less popular > as people couldn't easily have a drink due to having to drive home, the size > of Hampshire being an issue there - I am unlikely to drive 50 miles for a > pint. Also people found it frustrating that they had to wait two months > between meetings. Looking further down the line than I should, it might be an idea to liaise with some of the more successful ones to find out what works and what needs working on. The videoed talks, seminars, etc., approach is definitely something to learn from, if mine hasn't tried this. > We have talks given at every meet - some long and in depth, more recently > we're trying "lightning talks" of no more than about 5-10 mins. We video the > talks and put them online in many formats, including uploading to google. > > http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=hampshire+linux+user+group Bookmarked. > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > > > > You don't say where you are. Worcestershire, although Birmingham is just as convenient. I'd even travel to London if necessary, seeing as though I've lived there, and could fit it in with a long weekend. > Some areas have multiple LUGs, maybe one at the county level, and more at > the City/Town level. I know Sussex has two, Hampshire has three LUGs, but > often there is overlap between them. There is almost always co-operation > between the LUGs, although in my opinion nowhere near enough of that. > > If your local LUG is dying, give it a poke on their mailing list, see what > people have planned, and offer to help. Will do. > There are way to many people (and this isn't specicially directed at you) in > the UK standing by looking on saying "that LUG is dead" without actually > getting off their arse and doing something about it. IMHO. You're right, though, and this has been my approach to LUGs. > If the LUG really is dead, with the LUGMaster AWOL you can ask to take it > over and if the members agree that's a good thing then off you go. I'll make them an offer they can't refuse. Just kidding. I'm no administrator, but it's worth looking into, if it is on its last legs. > Cheers, > Al. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
TheVeech wrote: > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! I've found AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 3/28/07, TheVeech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Trouble is, the one for my neck of the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated for a long time. What is your neck of the woods? I am a member of the Kent LUG and we are quiet active. It is great to 'physically' meet like minded people rather than just talk online. Sometimes our meetings are pure geekfests, but we love helping new converts and welcome new members to the group. That was my reception when I converted last year. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] least connections ipvs lvs
On 27/03/07, xx xx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey pete: > ndb is a pseud cluster solution provided for mysql it acts as loadbalancer > and failover solution. And actually ultramonkey layer 7 is using it for > mysql loadbalancing. > Unfortunatelly ndb doesnt work well by itself. > Thanks mate > > Offtopic:Do you guys have a kind of meeting everyweeks or something like > that?(im new in london-england-europe) There's no offline meeting for Ubuntu-UK, but you've just missed the last GLLUG (Greater London Linux User Group) which was on Saturday. There's also some more social meets like Lonix, Flag and Bell, and Python meetups in the City area. However, the Python UK crowd are considering starting more formal lecture-type meetings in conjunction with the IET. There are also quite a few LUGs in and around various parts of "outer" London. Cheers, Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 04:16:37PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Bad form replying to myself but the first half hour of digging threw > up this link > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WinFOSS from the opencd.org folks > themselves. On this page it mentions that the Live CD itself contains > FOSS anyway - is this the case for downloaded Edgy ISOs for self-burn > also? I don't remember seeing this myself but then I wasn't looking > It does, see my other mail :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On 28/03/07, Martin Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27/03/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:44:06PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > I do wonder how much something like this would cost us to do. It's > > > perfectly possible (and acceptable - taking into account running > > > > We do have a moribund project listed on the UKTeam wiki page to look at CD > > duplication services. Would you like to help us do that? > > On the general free-software side of things I'll have a look at > something like e.g. http://www.theopencd.org/ which might be an easier > sell. As mentioned if we can find retailers willing to sell on these > CDs ~£3 at the checkout we could cover costs and ease a few > transitions further down the line. Bad form replying to myself but the first half hour of digging threw up this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WinFOSS from the opencd.org folks themselves. On this page it mentions that the Live CD itself contains FOSS anyway - is this the case for downloaded Edgy ISOs for self-burn also? I don't remember seeing this myself but then I wasn't looking Martin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:55:49PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > On 27/03/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We do have a moribund project listed on the UKTeam wiki page to look at CD > > duplication services. Would you like to help us do that? > > Missed this bit. > > That project appears to be looking to find alternative CD duplication > services (presumably free) to provide copies of Edgy (and Feisty in > time) as ShipIt currently only provides Dapper for free. Finding an > organisation willing to cover the costs of that sounds like a tall > order but I'll look into it. > I'm not sure the scope was even as fully defined as that :) Whether its "free" CDs or pay-for, someone has to duplicate them, so there would clearly be a benefit to researching this. Maybe chuck some findings on the wiki? > On the general free-software side of things I'll have a look at > something like e.g. http://www.theopencd.org/ which might be an easier > sell. As mentioned if we can find retailers willing to sell on these > CDs ~£3 at the checkout we could cover costs and ease a few > transitions further down the line. > At my local LUG and at Infopoints we have Linux CDs and The Open CD available too. Don't forget that the Ubuntu Live CD has some Windows software on it already. I don't know if that will continue to be the case, but it certainly makes the CD dual purpose. You could even make DVDs available that have the Ubuntu Live CD, Alternate CD, Server CD and Open CD all together. I am sure that some Linux magazines do a subset of those on one DVD once in a while. I appreciate that having a DVD means that some peoeple are unable to read it - not having DVD drives, and as such I believe primary goal should be for CDs. Maybe investigate how much it costs for 2xCD vs 1xDVD? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:53:13PM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? > My local one is quite active. Well, there are two near me, Hampshire and Surrey. Hampshire meets every month on or near the first saturday in the month. We have two locations at opposite ends of the county to make it easy for people all over the place to attend. All our meets are "bring a box / installfest" style where people bring computers to have problems fixed, or show stuff off, or just socialise. We used to have pub meets on alternate months but these became less popular as people couldn't easily have a drink due to having to drive home, the size of Hampshire being an issue there - I am unlikely to drive 50 miles for a pint. Also people found it frustrating that they had to wait two months between meetings. We have talks given at every meet - some long and in depth, more recently we're trying "lightning talks" of no more than about 5-10 mins. We video the talks and put them online in many formats, including uploading to google. http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=hampshire+linux+user+group > I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, > but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of > the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated > for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? > You don't say where you are. Some LUGs do indeed go quiet or die. This is often due to a lack of push from the LUGMaster or a low membership count. If nobody gets off their butt to organise stuff then nothing happens and the LUG wains. In the LUGs that have regular meetings with a sustained effort there is clearly more life in them than those that dont organise meetings. Some areas have multiple LUGs, maybe one at the county level, and more at the City/Town level. I know Sussex has two, Hampshire has three LUGs, but often there is overlap between them. There is almost always co-operation between the LUGs, although in my opinion nowhere near enough of that. If your local LUG is dying, give it a poke on their mailing list, see what people have planned, and offer to help. There are way to many people (and this isn't specicially directed at you) in the UK standing by looking on saying "that LUG is dead" without actually getting off their arse and doing something about it. IMHO. If the LUG really is dead, with the LUGMaster AWOL you can ask to take it over and if the members agree that's a good thing then off you go. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B
Ok thanks- maybe I'll give that a go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TheVeech Sent: 28 March 2007 15:47 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:33 +0100, baz wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:20 +0100, Ian Davies (2) wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I have Ubuntu Edgy on a Sony Vaio laptop and I would like to install > > the K3B CD/DVD burning software- does anyone know if it’s available > > for Edgy? > > > > Yes it is, I've just installed it. > > Baz There's also Brasero, which is pretty basic, but does most things I ask of it: http://perso.orange.fr/bonfire/ (It's also in the repos. If you try it, try View > File Browser) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 14:02 +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > Think how much more productive those hours would be answering > questions online though? A few hours in #ubuntu or on the support > tracker - or forums - could yield results that benefit so many > people. I forgot to add that I will follow this up. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On 27/03/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:44:06PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I do wonder how much something like this would cost us to do. It's > > perfectly possible (and acceptable - taking into account running > > We do have a moribund project listed on the UKTeam wiki page to look at CD > duplication services. Would you like to help us do that? Missed this bit. That project appears to be looking to find alternative CD duplication services (presumably free) to provide copies of Edgy (and Feisty in time) as ShipIt currently only provides Dapper for free. Finding an organisation willing to cover the costs of that sounds like a tall order but I'll look into it. On the general free-software side of things I'll have a look at something like e.g. http://www.theopencd.org/ which might be an easier sell. As mentioned if we can find retailers willing to sell on these CDs ~£3 at the checkout we could cover costs and ease a few transitions further down the line. I'll have a look, Martin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] LUGs
Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:33 +0100, baz wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:20 +0100, Ian Davies (2) wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I have Ubuntu Edgy on a Sony Vaio laptop and I would like to install > > the K3B CD/DVD burning software- does anyone know if it’s available > > for Edgy? > > > > Yes it is, I've just installed it. > > Baz There's also Brasero, which is pretty basic, but does most things I ask of it: http://perso.orange.fr/bonfire/ (It's also in the repos. If you try it, try View > File Browser) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B
Ok- weirdit said 'BREAK- install' when I tried to install it in Adept, so I wasn't sure if it was only for Dapper or something.! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 28 March 2007 15:36 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:20:09PM +0100, Ian Davies (2) wrote: > Hello, > > > > I have Ubuntu Edgy on a Sony Vaio laptop and I would like to install the K3B > CD/DVD burning software- does anyone know if it's available for Edgy? > > Best way to find that out:- http://packages.ubuntu.com/ Type in "k3b" in the keyword field, press search. \o/ It is. You can install it with synaptic package manager which you will find in System --> Administration. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On 27/03/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would we really want to provide Ubuntu unsupported - I'd feel there > > would be too many opportunities for mistakes and damage to computers. > > Free software for Windows however - one step at a time... Of course > > this is not a big-store-only thing. > > Ubuntu isn't unsupported wherever you get it from What I was really getting at (but not explaining) was that making OS installation CDs available to inexperienced users is not - usually - a good idea. There are too many possibilities for it to go horribly wrong, losing data etc. or simply ending up with a system that they don't know how to use. I imagine a lot of Windows users - if they got through the installation process - would wonder what has actually been installed at all "It's not in the Start menu" and "If I select Ubuntu when it starts, I can't find any of my stuff" etc. A new OS needs a bit of hand holding unless you know what you're getting into. That's what I meant by "unsupported". Martin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:20:09PM +0100, Ian Davies (2) wrote: > Hello, > > > > I have Ubuntu Edgy on a Sony Vaio laptop and I would like to install the K3B > CD/DVD burning software- does anyone know if it's available for Edgy? > > Best way to find that out:- http://packages.ubuntu.com/ Type in "k3b" in the keyword field, press search. \o/ It is. You can install it with synaptic package manager which you will find in System --> Administration. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3B
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:20 +0100, Ian Davies (2) wrote: > Hello, > > > > I have Ubuntu Edgy on a Sony Vaio laptop and I would like to install > the K3B CD/DVD burning software- does anyone know if it’s available > for Edgy? > Yes it is, I've just installed it. Baz -- + http://walkertopia.com Free MUD telnet walkertopia.com 4040 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] truetype fonts on Edgy
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:25 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:11:02PM +0100, baz wrote: > > I'm trying to install M S true type fonts on Edgy but when I type, > > sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts > > > > I get, > > Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another > > package. > > This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or > > is only available from another source > > E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate > > > > Where am I going wrong here? > > > > You don't have the multiverse repository enabled? > > System --> Administration --> Software Preferences. > > Enable multiverse, try again. > > Cheers, > Al. > Ah, me so stupid! Thanks fixed now :) -- + http://walkertopia.com Free MUD telnet walkertopia.com 4040 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] K3B
Hello, I have Ubuntu Edgy on a Sony Vaio laptop and I would like to install the K3B CD/DVD burning software- does anyone know if it's available for Edgy? Thanks, Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] truetype fonts on Edgy
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 03:11:02PM +0100, baz wrote: > I'm trying to install M S true type fonts on Edgy but when I type, > sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts > > I get, > Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another > package. > This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or > is only available from another source > E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate > > Where am I going wrong here? > You don't have the multiverse repository enabled? System --> Administration --> Software Preferences. Enable multiverse, try again. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] truetype fonts on Edgy
I'm trying to install M S true type fonts on Edgy but when I type, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts I get, Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate Where am I going wrong here? -- + http://walkertopia.com Free MUD telnet walkertopia.com 4040 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 12:35 +0100, Ben Thorp wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28/03/2007 12:15:01: > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Ben Thorp wrote: > > > Back in the good old days when I was first trying Linux, there was > a > > > website where you could submit tickets for one-to-one email > support. Your > > > ticket got assigned to a volunteer, who would then try and help > you > > > through the process. > > > > Er. Have you tried the support ticket system? > > http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu :) > > > > It does this. > > Oooo - shiny. Didn't know that was there :) > > Ben > Dunno if you knew this either: Ubuntu Live Support (no idea if it's still functional): http://www.gtkfiles.org/app.php/Ubuntu_Live_Support http://joelbryanonsoftware.blogspot.com/2006/05/2-ubuntu-live-chat-support.html And there's the Ubuntu Forums Menu for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2302 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:57 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:53:17AM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > There seems to be two models of support here: the one found primarily in > > the proprietary world and that found in the FLOSS one. > > I disagree. In the proprietary world you can pay for support or you can > google, use forums, irc and so on. In the free world I outlined all the > help-yourself methods, but I neglected to mention the pay-for methods - > which *do* exist. This is essentially what I meant. I wasn't clear enough. There is a difference in emphasis, with more responsibility on users but within a community in the Linux world. That's how I see it, anyway. > > Something more > > substantial than a leaflet/insert/wallet is needed, since such methods > > wouldn't be enough to make people aware of how FLOSS support works in > > the first place and how to get good sources of it, not least because > > most people just want to just dive in and learn as they go along. > > > > A leaflet would just tell people where to go to get help if they need it. > Not provide help specifically. We dont want to go through the expense of > putting printed manuals in a retail box. Definitely, but I wasn't saying that. A CD of PDFs and screencasts, say, targeted at people who aren't that concerned about computing, caters to a section of people that we may be overlooking. > > This means that learning materials would have to be more immediately > > attractive to a wider audience. For example, a good set of screencasts, > > arranged well, would stand a better chance than textual documentation. > > A supplementary CD, packed with instructive media, might be the way to > > do it (to also compensate for people without net connections). > > > > Well we have a screencast team and a big list of screencasts we would love > people to make! If they could be supplied on a DVD with the Ubuntu CD/DVD > that would be great. Especially so if people could watch it on their telly > whilst they install/update/work/play. I suppose that's an idea, but I know more about printed materials. It wouldn't be tough to do some PDFs that compliment any screencasts, though, and if you think a video CD idea is workable, I don't think I'd be alone in being more than willing to offer feedback and input. Something else this highlights is that I, for one, didn't know about this screencast team. In fact, I don't know about many of the teams around Ubuntu. An instinctive response from within the confines of a community is that I should have found out if I'm talking about all this. Another possibility is to question how effectively the different aspects of Ubuntu is communicated to everyone in a way that they don't find boring. Screencasts are pretty helpful, and yet I'll bet that most users don't know they exist. > > Personally, I wouldn't mind churning out a few CDs like this, but only > > in the context of a scheme where a number of us also offer to do > > installs in our local areas, with new users covering pre-determined (and > > fair) costs like travel and CDs. > > I don't think it's time efficient for us to be visiting peoples > houses/businesses individually as part of Ubuntu-UK to do that. If people > want to do that off their own back that's great, and I know a number of > small businesses and self employed people do this, which is great. You make it sound far more formal than it is. Besides, why not get a scheme going? It certainly doesn't have to be under the umbrella of Ubuntu-UK. A team comprised of people from different backgrounds would probably bring some fresh ideas to the table. Why don't I do it? I'm not an administrator and could do without things like office politics that you can sometimes find. How long does an install take when you know how to do it? A couple of soaps worth? Certainly not as long as a movie. At the moment, I do this and it isn't all that great - it's pretty easy. The time isn't so much spent with setting up the machine, but with setting up the user. A beginners' CD would save me and anyone else doing this lots of time and effort. One concern is just how prevalent is Ubuntu in the UK? I'd only be prepared to cover my district, but I've noticed that many LUGS work on a city and county basis. What would it take? 2-3 hours a week? Besides, these things are self-selecting, so it would depend on how much initial support could be had on whether it would be a productive move. The barrier, I think, isn't time, but social barriers - have we got the patience and absence of technical snobbery to be able to work with the public? Judging from the forums we have, but it isn't always like that. > I would rather see new users not have to rely on the one person in their > area, No, I'm talking only about the initial install. After that, the CD, then the resources it highlights. > but use the tools and resources available. The support tracker, wiki > and so on I
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28/03/2007 12:15:01: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Ben Thorp wrote: > > Back in the good old days when I was first trying Linux, there was a > > website where you could submit tickets for one-to-one email support. Your > > ticket got assigned to a volunteer, who would then try and help you > > through the process. > > Er. Have you tried the support ticket system? > http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu :) > > It does this. Oooo - shiny. Didn't know that was there :) Ben -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Ben Thorp wrote: > Back in the good old days when I was first trying Linux, there was a > website where you could submit tickets for one-to-one email support. Your > ticket got assigned to a volunteer, who would then try and help you > through the process. Er. Have you tried the support ticket system? http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu :) It does this. Ok, others can chip in, but often what you find (I have a bit of experience of launchpad answers) is that one person starts helping someone on a ticket, and others dont interfere unless the other person got it wrong or didn't give enough detail. It emails you when someone replies to a ticket, and you can just reply to that in your mail client. I prefer to visit the web page and reply there, but each to their own. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28/03/2007 10:57:19: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:53:17AM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > > There seems to be two models of support here: the one found primarily in > > the proprietary world and that found in the FLOSS one. > > I disagree. In the proprietary world you can pay for support or you can > google, use forums, irc and so on. In the free world I outlined all the > help-yourself methods, but I neglected to mention the pay-for methods - > which *do* exist. Proprietary software tends to come with very poor support options, in my experience. If you're lucky you might get 30 days of post-install support, but often not even that is included. Which is why you get so many "self-help" books for software. Back in the good old days when I was first trying Linux, there was a website where you could submit tickets for one-to-one email support. Your ticket got assigned to a volunteer, who would then try and help you through the process. I think that this is a brilliant way of doing things - for many people IRC is a bit scary, and sometimes your queries go unanswered or just hijacked by another query. Having someone who is 'dedicated' to helping you fix your problem could be really helpful. Maybe this is something we could consider. Ben -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Support Line
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 10:43:00AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > I wonder if anyone has ever thought about setting up an Ubuntu > community support line? > Given how many companies are having difficulty providing paid-for support, I am unsure how we as volunteers can provide such a service cost effectively. > Does anyone think that setting up a voluntary 'community help desk' > telephone line could help promote the take-up of Ubuntu amongst > non-technical people. > Possibly but I can see some issues with it compared with electronic support. Telephone support requires a dedicated brain at each end of the phone line, it's a synchronous process, and has *only* one brain at the helping end. A forum or support tracker has many eyeballs watching it, and whilst there may be nobody in your timezone who is looking right now, someone in another zone might be able to solve it. That person may be in an office, or even on a train (answering mails offline) where taking a phone call just isn't practical or even possible. A text medium is also great for getting people to cut/paste logs/errors. Ok, you can ask someone to pastebin a log file, but you have to sit and wait whilst they do it. > I had this idea whilst reading the other thread about including > sources of support on CD inserts. I can't help but think a telephone > number would make a service especially appealing. It is to those who have a broken internet connection, dial-up only, ubuntu broken install and so on. Or those people who are just starting out and need a helping hand. > Routing it to VoIP > makes manning the telephone line a non-hardship too, as the 'operator' > can simply sit and go about their own thing until a call comes > through. > ...and when a call comes in there is nothing else you can do whilst you are on the phone. I can answer support tickets pretty much anywhere, and walk out of the room to change my babys nappy, check the curry, pop to the shop etc. When you are tied to a > I'm quite interested in this concept and willing to set it up if > anyone else has any interest in it. > If you can iron out the above I suspect it could be a very valuable proposition. Even a money spinner if you used a "premium" or "national rate" line. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:53:17AM +0100, TheVeech wrote: > There seems to be two models of support here: the one found primarily in > the proprietary world and that found in the FLOSS one. I disagree. In the proprietary world you can pay for support or you can google, use forums, irc and so on. In the free world I outlined all the help-yourself methods, but I neglected to mention the pay-for methods - which *do* exist. > Something more > substantial than a leaflet/insert/wallet is needed, since such methods > wouldn't be enough to make people aware of how FLOSS support works in > the first place and how to get good sources of it, not least because > most people just want to just dive in and learn as they go along. > A leaflet would just tell people where to go to get help if they need it. Not provide help specifically. We dont want to go through the expense of putting printed manuals in a retail box. > This means that learning materials would have to be more immediately > attractive to a wider audience. For example, a good set of screencasts, > arranged well, would stand a better chance than textual documentation. > A supplementary CD, packed with instructive media, might be the way to > do it (to also compensate for people without net connections). > Well we have a screencast team and a big list of screencasts we would love people to make! If they could be supplied on a DVD with the Ubuntu CD/DVD that would be great. Especially so if people could watch it on their telly whilst they install/update/work/play. > Personally, I wouldn't mind churning out a few CDs like this, but only > in the context of a scheme where a number of us also offer to do > installs in our local areas, with new users covering pre-determined (and > fair) costs like travel and CDs. I don't think it's time efficient for us to be visiting peoples houses/businesses individually as part of Ubuntu-UK to do that. If people want to do that off their own back that's great, and I know a number of small businesses and self employed people do this, which is great. I would rather see new users not have to rely on the one person in their area, but use the tools and resources available. The support tracker, wiki and so on I have already mentioned. This benefits them and everyone else too. If someone asks a question of an individual the only person to benefit there is the person asking the question and hopefully getting the answer. If the question is asked in a forum or in the support tracker it gets recorded, is google-able and referable when others have the same problem. I totally understand that some people want hand-holding, but we really should encourage the use of the tools available. > I could cover my area easily, and this > seems a much more realistic and productive approach for most of us to > the question of getting Linux more mainstream...so long as enough people > offer to take part. I can squeeze in a few hours a week Think how much more productive those hours would be answering questions online though? A few hours in #ubuntu or on the support tracker - or forums - could yield results that benefit so many people. > and I'm sure > others could, too, especially those dreaming of one day blockading PC > World! > I don't know if you're joking, but I don't think this is useful. Personally I took part in Software Freedom Day last year. We stood outside PC World in Tottenham Court Road (London) and handed out Ubuntu CDs and leaflets. You'd be amazed how many people a) had heard of it, and b) were willing to try it. A London bus driver pulled up at the lights and was handed a CD:- Driver: "Is this that replacement for Windows I have heard about?" Andy: "Yes! :)" :) > Doing CDs on their own is a bit of a waste of time. I think a lot of > people have got more to offer than being button pushers, and they know > it. > Not sure what you're saying there. > But this is the United Kingdom and, much as I hate to say it, when it > comes to community, we're often just not that good at it. > So do something to get better :) Cheers Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ktorrent, firewall and blocked connections
alan c wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote: >> Alan, >> >> alan c wrote: >> >>> I note that I have FTP allowed in firestarter for outbound on ports >>> 20-21, but presumably that is not he same ftp function you describe? >> >> No, the outbound ports you allow will let users of your machine use ftp >> to some remote ftp server and is completely independent of any remote >> user connecting to the ftp server on your machine. >> User can run their FTP connection >>> >>> would this user be my machine or remote machines? >> >> On remote machines running an ftp client connecting to your ftp server, say. >> in passive mode, which does not behave this but this is not the default, in general. I'm not convinced you need an outgoing policy at all unless you want to restrict users of your system in what they can/cannot do. >>> >>> I am virtually the only user on my LAN (!) (wife sometimes). The >>> reason for the outgoing policy is partly general precaution, partly to >>> become familiar with what is happening, and partly to very >>> specifically to limit what happens because the machine is left on 24/7 >>> for torrents mostly upload seeding. I dont know how useful the >>> policies really are, but I am frankly surprised that so many >>> apparently malware related service names are being (blocked) attempted. >>> >>> The Blocking stops when ktorrent is closed. Where in the torrent >>> process is the possible 'FTP' activity being used? >> >> I was assuming people were trying to use FTP to download stuff from your >> server rather than torrent. The two are quite independent. If you have >> logging turned on for your ftp server (I assume you are running an ftp >> server?) then you could see if this so. >> >> If you are not running an ftp server, then you don't need the ftp ports >> open on inbound and you can ignore all I've said about ftp clients:-) >> >> Maybe there is an outgoing connection from your machine as part of the >> torrent process that is getting blocked. I can only imagine that a seed >> would connect to a tracker to let it know of the presence of the files >> you are making available, but I'm not too sure of the process here. >> >>> I suppose I do not know enough about the torrent process, which does >>> not help. >> >> I'm not sure I know enough about it either! >> >>> If the currently blocked items are not blocked, what will the benefits >>> or disadvantages be? >> >>>From a security point of view, the main reason for limiting outbound >> connections is to stop malware that makes it on to a compromised system >> from making outgoing connections and infecting other machines. Given you >> are running Ubuntu and you have some pretty good inbound rules, I think >> this is unlikely. >> >> Setting outbound rules in my experience is quite tricky due to things >> like ftp and other odd protocols. Normal practise is to just use inbound >> rules unless you have specific reasons to do otherwise. > > thanks. > (I don't run an ftp server). > mmm. Since I have reduced the number of peers allowed, the blocking > indications from the firewall have stopped. One of the torrent faq > sites mentioned about the allocated ports being at times overloaded. I > wonder if there were so many peers attempting to use the seed that the > ports (management) worked differently or badly, so that other ports > were being sought, tried, and obviously blocked? I spoke too soon. After a night of such working, there was a minute or so burst this morning of outgoing block events - about a couple of dozen in total. It looks slightly as if something is occasionally prompting my machine to respond, and it tries to. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Support Line
I wonder if anyone has ever thought about setting up an Ubuntu community support line? Using VoIP technology it's not actually too difficult to get a landline number routed to VoIP at little or no cost. Does anyone think that setting up a voluntary 'community help desk' telephone line could help promote the take-up of Ubuntu amongst non-technical people. I had this idea whilst reading the other thread about including sources of support on CD inserts. I can't help but think a telephone number would make a service especially appealing. Routing it to VoIP makes manning the telephone line a non-hardship too, as the 'operator' can simply sit and go about their own thing until a call comes through. I'm quite interested in this concept and willing to set it up if anyone else has any interest in it. What do you think? Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 23:59 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > > Would we really want to provide Ubuntu unsupported - I'd feel there > > would be too many opportunities for mistakes and damage to > computers. > > Free software for Windows however - one step at a time... Of course > > this is not a big-store-only thing. > > > > Ubuntu isn't unsupported wherever you get it from > > There's loads of support options including but not limited to:- > > _Official_ > > Wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ > Help - http://help.ubuntu.com/ > IRC - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat > Answers - http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu > Forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/ > > _Unofficial_ > > qunu - http://qunu.com/search/ubuntu > LUGs - http://lug.org.uk/lugs/all.php > > If "we" make the leaflet/insert/wallet that goes with the CD there is > nothing stopping us including links to and recommendations for those > resources. There seems to be two models of support here: the one found primarily in the proprietary world and that found in the FLOSS one. Something more substantial than a leaflet/insert/wallet is needed, since such methods wouldn't be enough to make people aware of how FLOSS support works in the first place and how to get good sources of it, not least because most people just want to just dive in and learn as they go along. This means that learning materials would have to be more immediately attractive to a wider audience. For example, a good set of screencasts, arranged well, would stand a better chance than textual documentation. A supplementary CD, packed with instructive media, might be the way to do it (to also compensate for people without net connections). Personally, I wouldn't mind churning out a few CDs like this, but only in the context of a scheme where a number of us also offer to do installs in our local areas, with new users covering pre-determined (and fair) costs like travel and CDs. I could cover my area easily, and this seems a much more realistic and productive approach for most of us to the question of getting Linux more mainstream...so long as enough people offer to take part. I can squeeze in a few hours a week and I'm sure others could, too, especially those dreaming of one day blockading PC World! Doing CDs on their own is a bit of a waste of time. I think a lot of people have got more to offer than being button pushers, and they know it. But this is the United Kingdom and, much as I hate to say it, when it comes to community, we're often just not that good at it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
> Not really a turnaround. The trademark policy is quite clear on > modifying the logo. > > http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy > > Those have been the same since at least 2005, probably longer. > In which case nowt has changed then ;-) So there should be no problem with submitting modified graphics to Canonical for approval :-P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
