[ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Ok, so now they are making that stupid TV player work on the Wii too now, they are just avoiding us Linux users. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/09/bbc-launches-iplayer-wii It cannot be that hard to create the content/application necessary for allowing playback of BBC shows on Linux, more specifically the iPlayer app. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 05:38:12PM +0100, Kris Douglas wrote: Ok, so now they are making that stupid TV player work on the Wii too now, they are just avoiding us Linux users. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/09/bbc-launches-iplayer-wii It cannot be that hard to create the content/application necessary for allowing playback of BBC shows on Linux, more specifically the iPlayer app. Er, the Wii version just uses a browser and the flash plugin, exactly the same as you do on Linux, Windows or Mac. They just tweaked it a bit to work with the manky browser you get on the Wii. Very little effort for potentially very large gain. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 05:38:12PM +0100, Kris Douglas wrote: Ok, so now they are making that stupid TV player work on the Wii too now, they are just avoiding us Linux users. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/09/bbc-launches-iplayer-wii It cannot be that hard to create the content/application necessary for allowing playback of BBC shows on Linux, more specifically the iPlayer app. Er, the Wii version just uses a browser and the flash plugin, exactly the same as you do on Linux, Windows or Mac. They just tweaked it a bit to work with the manky browser you get on the Wii. Very little effort for potentially very large gain. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 05:49:44PM +0100, Kris Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 05:38:12PM +0100, Kris Douglas wrote: Ok, so now they are making that stupid TV player work on the Wii too now, they are just avoiding us Linux users. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/09/bbc-launches-iplayer-wii It cannot be that hard to create the content/application necessary for allowing playback of BBC shows on Linux, more specifically the iPlayer app. Er, the Wii version just uses a browser and the flash plugin, exactly the same as you do on Linux, Windows or Mac. They just tweaked it a bit to work with the manky browser you get on the Wii. Very little effort for potentially very large gain. Cheers, Al. There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Well as flash comes with Opera on the Wii, there's no problem here. I think Alan's point was that the Beeb didn't have to go to too much effort to add this from what's already there. Allowing Linux users to download the programs is a whole different game. Iain -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] output to 2 different devices using xmms (or WHY)
Hi, I have a usb media extender (a logitec sender) it is recoginised by xmms and I can play through it but only by selecting it in the output oss config as device 1. Is there any way of getting xmms to stream through all the devices (i.e. 0 1) so I don't have to swap when I want to listen to music downstairs ;-) *Then have to change back (stop restart) when I come back up* I used to use great little pugin for winamp that did this so I know it is physically possible to play through both devices. Thanks Ken -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:52 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. Nonsense, by that logic we would still only have 1 bbc radio channel. Also whilst the article says that for now only the flash video version will work on the wii, the news is that IPlayer will be available as a wii channel in the UK allowing both streaming and downloading content, Of course were this will be stored on the hard disk less wii is another matter. Peter -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Maybe someone should make the BBC aware of their Purpose and Values statement. As per http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/purpose/ Public purposes The BBC is a unique institution, owned by the British people and independent of political and commercial interests. By only allowing users of a certian operating system, which has to be paid for, does that not constitute as a commercial interest? On 09/04/2008, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:52 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. Nonsense, by that logic we would still only have 1 bbc radio channel. Also whilst the article says that for now only the flash video version will work on the wii, the news is that IPlayer will be available as a wii channel in the UK allowing both streaming and downloading content, Of course were this will be stored on the hard disk less wii is another matter. Peter -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:02 PM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:52 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. Nonsense, by that logic we would still only have 1 bbc radio channel. Also whilst the article says that for now only the flash video version will work on the wii, the news is that IPlayer will be available as a wii channel in the UK allowing both streaming and downloading content, Of course were this will be stored on the hard disk less wii is another matter. I have an SD card in mine, I think it supports the SDHC as well. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
peter wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:52 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. Nonsense, by that logic we would still only have 1 bbc radio channel. Well quite, however all they need to do is make the majority happy, or once sy 20% of people start refusing to pay their license, the rest of the population will follow, so long as they sit there and appear to be doing something, they'll keep people thinking their up to something, and the system will still work, did it never occur to you that the BBC spent years with only 2 channels, yet they easily had the capability for more. They just make a half-arsed effort, and it keeps people happy. Anyway, Im sure this is off-topic, this is an ubuntu Linux mailing list, not a politico-economical ideological debate. James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] {Spam?} Re: The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. I think you're missing the bigger picture, the Beeb makes a shed load of cash punting its wares all over the world, like BBC America for instance. While iPlayer is free in the UK, it's only a matter of time before they start charging non-UK IP addresses... The Wii shop makes this easy and with the Wii being the best selling next-gen console at the moment it's an obvious step for both Nintendo and the Beeb... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Jake Bunce wrote: Maybe someone should make the BBC aware of their Purpose and Values statement. As per http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/purpose/ Public purposes The BBC is a unique institution, owned by the British people and independent of political and commercial interests. By only allowing users of a certian operating system, which has to be paid for, does that not constitute as a commercial interest? I guess you could say that. If the beeb made the video available in a standard format, say MP4 (due to the fairly good quality and small file size), or even better using their own video codec then I'm sure it would not be in any commercial interest especially as a whole load of devices (PCs, Macs, Linux machines, mobile devices, even the Nintendo DS with the right hardware) can play MP4 video. If they can make it free to air over the airwaves and also on satellite when why not to residents in the UK. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Rob Beard wrote: If the beeb made the video available in a standard format, say MP4 They do, but the scan for and block any product not produced by Apple. Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 20:38 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: Jake Bunce wrote: Maybe someone should make the BBC aware of their Purpose and Values statement. As per http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/purpose/ Public purposes The BBC is a unique institution, owned by the British people and independent of political and commercial interests. By only allowing users of a certian operating system, which has to be paid for, does that not constitute as a commercial interest? I guess you could say that. If the beeb made the video available in a standard format, say MP4 (due to the fairly good quality and small file size), or even better using their own video codec then I'm sure it would not be in any commercial interest especially as a whole load of devices (PCs, Macs, Linux machines, mobile devices, even the Nintendo DS with the right hardware) can play MP4 video. If they can make it free to air over the airwaves and also on satellite when why not to residents in the UK. Rob It is just like the music industry, music is easily copied/recorded from radio/tape/vinyl/CDs just the same as TV programs are easily copied/recorded from TV/VHS. Yet as soon as a song, album, TV program or series gets anywhere near the Internet it has to be protected from people copying it or transferring it to other media, or even restricted to how long or how many times it can be watched or listened to. Content creators and publishers are overly paranoid about what technology is going to do to their profits and sales, and I do not feel that is going to change any time soon. Also note the BBC have agreements with third parties about protecting the content they publish so it is not necessarily the beeb who are pushing the DRM. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Jason Liquorish wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 20:38 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: Jake Bunce wrote: Maybe someone should make the BBC aware of their Purpose and Values statement. As per http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/purpose/ Public purposes The BBC is a unique institution, owned by the British people and independent of political and commercial interests. By only allowing users of a certian operating system, which has to be paid for, does that not constitute as a commercial interest? I guess you could say that. If the beeb made the video available in a standard format, say MP4 (due to the fairly good quality and small file size), or even better using their own video codec then I'm sure it would not be in any commercial interest especially as a whole load of devices (PCs, Macs, Linux machines, mobile devices, even the Nintendo DS with the right hardware) can play MP4 video. If they can make it free to air over the airwaves and also on satellite when why not to residents in the UK. Rob Content creators and publishers are overly paranoid about what technology is going to do to their profits and sales, and I do not feel that is going to change any time soon. Shame really. Take the Beeb for instance. Yep, I've watched Little Britain and I think I even have a recording off the TV, but I recently bought the entire 3 series of Little Britain on DVD. So technically I've already made payment towards it with the licence fee and I'm paying again to buy the DVDs (was only £3 a series from Sainsburys in their sale). So even though I could get it by other means (downloaded from the net in xvid format, recorded from BBC Three when it's repeated every couple of weeks) I still went out and bought it. Also note the BBC have agreements with third parties about protecting the content they publish so it is not necessarily the beeb who are pushing the DRM. See I don't understand what the third parties get so fussed about. The programmes can be recorded off air onto DVD and duplicated in much better quality than what you get on the iPlayer. Just tried the ITV catchup service, didn't seem to want to work on Hardy Beta with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Flash on AMD64. Still I'm not fussed, I'll just watch the corrie omnibus at the weekend. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Something of interest: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/#detail On 09/04/2008, Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:02 PM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:52 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. Nonsense, by that logic we would still only have 1 bbc radio channel. Also whilst the article says that for now only the flash video version will work on the wii, the news is that IPlayer will be available as a wii channel in the UK allowing both streaming and downloading content, Of course were this will be stored on the hard disk less wii is another matter. I have an SD card in mine, I think it supports the SDHC as well. It's a bit limitied to what you can use the SD card for at the moment though. Virtual Console games storage (for when you run out of space) and presumably soon Wiiware games too when they come out, pictures, music and if you have a copy of that Zelda game, homebrew too :-) Maybe this will chance and Ninty will let us store other things on memory cards (although I can't say I'm holding my breath). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Kris Douglas wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:02 PM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:52 +0100, Jmaes Edward Grabham wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: There are a few drawbacks for the flash version though, like the requirement for flash, which is sometimes hard to fulfil. Not on the Wii there isn't, Flash is included in the Opera browser. Although saying that it's not a great browser on the Wii, more of a novelty item. I only downloaded it because it was free when it first came out (now it's something like 500 Wii Points so about £3.50). I can certainly see why they've done it. I just don't see why they can't provide an MP4 feed for Linux users, even if it's a binary application using an encrypted stream. Surely it's got to be possible and easy enough to implement. Rob To what ends though? The BBC is a socialist corporation - you HAVE to pay them BY LAW. Therefore there's no profit increasing who gets thei I-services. If you had to pay, theyd be getting an extra however much per user, but as you're paying anyway, why should they bother. With no financial incentives, they won't do anything. Socialism at its best. Nonsense, by that logic we would still only have 1 bbc radio channel. Also whilst the article says that for now only the flash video version will work on the wii, the news is that IPlayer will be available as a wii channel in the UK allowing both streaming and downloading content, Of course were this will be stored on the hard disk less wii is another matter. I have an SD card in mine, I think it supports the SDHC as well. It's a bit limitied to what you can use the SD card for at the moment though. Virtual Console games storage (for when you run out of space) and presumably soon Wiiware games too when they come out, pictures, music and if you have a copy of that Zelda game, homebrew too :-) Maybe this will chance and Ninty will let us store other things on memory cards (although I can't say I'm holding my breath). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] UKUUG v BSI re OOXML??
Has everybody seen this? UKUUG OOXML http://www.ukuug.org/ooxml/ Thought it might be interesting to watch and see how this goes Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Rob, Rob Beard wrote: See I don't understand what the third parties get so fussed about. The programmes can be recorded off air onto DVD and duplicated in much better quality than what you get on the iPlayer. It is a little odd. The BBC have to pay these third parties, i.e., the copyright owners a fee every time they broadcast their work (have you heard the podcast of the New Quiz, for example? They cut out any music excerpts that are played on the broadcast version!) I'm fairly sure that technically, anyone who records a TV programme is in breach of copyright as they are if they rip a CD to their MP3 player, and yet TV recording gear is sold in the millions and recording seems to be actively encouraged by some parties. The whole model is just wrong in my view. But I don't know how to ensure artists get a fair fee for their work but consumers also have the freedom to copy stuff as they wish. Just tried the ITV catchup service, didn't seem to want to work on Hardy Beta with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Flash on AMD64. Still I'm not fussed, I'll just watch the corrie omnibus at the weekend. The ITV service only works on IE as it needs an Active X control installed for it to work. They've been quite up front from the start that this is a limitation. What gets me, though, is that whole load of fuss has been made about the iPlayer limitations from the BBC (including the ISPs wanting the BBC to contribute to the cost of upgrading their networks) and yet very little is said about the ITV service, which is even more restrictive than iPlayer. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Tony Arnold wrote: Rob, Rob Beard wrote: See I don't understand what the third parties get so fussed about. The programmes can be recorded off air onto DVD and duplicated in much better quality than what you get on the iPlayer. It is a little odd. The BBC have to pay these third parties, i.e., the copyright owners a fee every time they broadcast their work (have you heard the podcast of the New Quiz, for example? They cut out any music excerpts that are played on the broadcast version!) I'm fairly sure that technically, anyone who records a TV programme is in breach of copyright as they are if they rip a CD to their MP3 player, and yet TV recording gear is sold in the millions and recording seems to be actively encouraged by some parties. The whole model is just wrong in my view. But I don't know how to ensure artists get a fair fee for their work but consumers also have the freedom to copy stuff as they wish. Just tried the ITV catchup service, didn't seem to want to work on Hardy Beta with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Flash on AMD64. Still I'm not fussed, I'll just watch the corrie omnibus at the weekend. The ITV service only works on IE as it needs an Active X control installed for it to work. They've been quite up front from the start that this is a limitation. What gets me, though, is that whole load of fuss has been made about the iPlayer limitations from the BBC (including the ISPs wanting the BBC to contribute to the cost of upgrading their networks) and yet very little is said about the ITV service, which is even more restrictive than iPlayer. Regards, Tony. Its simple, nobody's making you pay for the ITV service that you cant use. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
Tony Arnold wrote: I'm fairly sure that technically, anyone who records a TV programme is in breach of copyright as they are if they rip a CD to their MP3 player, Article 70 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 would appear to permit recording for time shifting (I Am Not A Lawyer). 70 Recording for purposes of time-shifting The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included in it. [1] It has been amended by the The Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2003 which removed the words or cable programme (See Schedule 2). It also added the words in domestic premises[2] and yet TV recording gear is sold in the millions and recording seems to be actively encouraged by some parties. The people selling it will (probably) say it is for Time-shifting, see above. But I don't know how to ensure artists get a fair fee for their work but consumers also have the freedom to copy stuff as they wish. Odd, no one cares that other members of society get a fair fee, they get what the market decides for them*. If you want to base artists pay on merit when does the rest of us get this meritocracy? I bet their are a few NHS nurses who would think they deserve a bit more pay for what they do (compare the earnings of any Top 10 Popstar with those of your average nurse, do you really think that discrepancy is fair?) * The Government intervenes for the very low paid providing a minimum level of pay called minimum wage, but in most cases it is left to the Free Market. If we let the Free Market decide we would have NO copyright. Instead the Government has decided that artists get protection for several generations. Copyright on books is Authors Life + 70 Years. That's enough to not only out survive the Authors generation but possibly that of 1 or 2 generations after. Do you seriously think someone needs a fair fee for having a certain parent or grandparent? What is the fair fee for being born to someone who was the child of someone who wrote a book? Before the Government went around extending copyright there was more creativity. Johann Sebastian Bach wrote over 1000 compositions (according to Wikipedia) and that was before Copyright was extended many times. I also don't think he used any form of DRM but I can't be sure. How many of today's artists have produced that much music? There is an argument that *reducing* copyright duration would increase creativity. People could no longer produce a single work and then do nothing for the rest of their life. What gets me, though, is that whole load of fuss has been made about the iPlayer limitations from the BBC (including the ISPs wanting the BBC to contribute to the cost of upgrading their networks) and yet very little is said about the ITV service, which is even more restrictive than iPlayer. The key difference is I can, if I so wish, Boycott ITV and it could hurt them (through reduced viewing and thus less advertising revenue) particularly if it is done on mass. Either way I am not paying them my money. The BBC has the luxury that if I switch to a competitors product I still have to pay the BBC. I can not boycott the BBC effectively unless I boycott all television as I will still have to pay the license fee. This would hurt the BBC's competitors as much as them and thus be ineffective. Worse still Linux users where forced to pay for something the BBC won't let them use. And there is an MP4 version that would work on many devices but the BBC have locked it to products supplied by Apple (as stated previously). Andy [1] http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_4#pt1-ch3-pb11-l1g70 [2] http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032498.htm -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Jmaes Edward Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doing something, they'll keep people thinking their up to something, and the system will still work, did it never occur to you that the BBC spent years with only 2 channels, yet they easily had the capability for more. They just make a half-arsed effort, and it keeps people happy. I don't think this is fair at all... analogue terrestrial had very little scope for more... since the advent of digital the BBC has been right up there with the best of them... Anyway, Im sure this is off-topic, this is an ubuntu Linux mailing list, not a politico-economical ideological debate. Indeed. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The BBC Launches Wiiplayer??? WHAT!?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fairly sure that technically, anyone who records a TV programme is in breach of copyright as they are if they rip a CD to their MP3 player, and yet TV recording gear is sold in the millions and recording seems to be actively encouraged by some parties. I believe I read about this a while back - legal recording of TV is for personal use in order to watch something you would otherwise have missed... I believe that building libraries of feature films taped from the TV is technically illegal... The whole model is just wrong in my view. But I don't know how to ensure artists get a fair fee for their work but consumers also have the freedom to copy stuff as they wish. With music I think the model will veer towards live performance and merchandise... personally I would much rather have a nice shiny CD with artwork, lyrics, background material etc. than a load of MP3 files but as more and more music is downloaded I can see that this will become harder to sustain - the recorded music will, I think, become a promotional tool for live performance and CD covers etc. will be purchased separately from the music itself (ie. purchase the jewel case and the booklet from a website/shop etc. and then download the music for free to go with it)... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
