Re: [ubuntu-uk] Java app (FreeMind) installed through Synaptic -- where is it?

2009-02-23 Thread Timothy Rittman
Hi,

Freemind is a great mindmapping programme, and is the only 
programme I use regularly that works on linux, mac and 
windows! I would strongly recommend installing the .deb 
file direct from the freemind website - 
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7118package_id=161831release_id=574421

Pick the top file from the list. The version in the 
repository is quite old and has lots of bugs (only one of 
which you have found!) that have been fixed.

Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Java app (FreeMind) installed through Synaptic -- where is it?

2009-02-23 Thread doug livesey
I've just this moment taken your sage advice -- cheers!

2009/2/23 Timothy Rittman tim.ritt...@doctors.org.uk

 Hi,

 Freemind is a great mindmapping programme, and is the only
 programme I use regularly that works on linux, mac and
 windows! I would strongly recommend installing the .deb
 file direct from the freemind website -

 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7118package_id=161831release_id=574421

 Pick the top file from the list. The version in the
 repository is quite old and has lots of bugs (only one of
 which you have found!) that have been fixed.

 Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Orange wireless dongle on Ubuntu 8.10

2009-02-23 Thread John
Hi everybody,

sorry I havent been around much, I havent been very well, and had to 
leave this.

I have managed to work out this page

http://www.pharscape.org/networkmanager-0.7.0-and-3g-wwan-modems.html

till I get to where it says 'Disabling ZeroCD. I have uploaded the 
ozerocdoff file, but it asks you to install it, but I've tried using the 
Deb installer, but it doesnt recognise it. How can I install it. I think 
once I've installed this, then I am almost there, with what I need to 
get this to work. Anybody have any ideas?

I would be really grateful for the help.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Terminal Command on Secondary Monitor

2009-02-23 Thread Harry Rickards
Thanks, I'll try it later as I'm currently on a public computer. I was  
planning to use xfce4-terminal, not gnome-terminal though, does anyone  
know if xfce4-terminal works with the -geometry option.
Quoting Paul Sladen ubu...@paul.sladen.org:

 On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Harry Rickards wrote:
 command  to be opened on a secondary monitor from a terminal

 X applications (all of them) historically supported the -display and
 -geometry options on the command line:

   xterm -geometry 80x25+1024+0

 Which if you secondary monitor is 1024 pixels to the right should place it
 on that monitor.  A '-' instead of the '+' causes right-alignment instead.
 Originally you used to have to run a separate X server for each monitor, and
 that is what '-display :1' is for (you might also come across it for X
 forwarding, or ssh and other special cases), but now there is Xinerama.

 Sadly, I tested -geometry with gnome-terminal and it doesn't understand
 the traditionally-understood options.  These is probably some way to put
 this options in a Window Manager configuration file too; but my memory blurs
 back to fvwm2 and that's maybe not relevant any more...

 Hope that helps,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound unlistenably quiet on Macbook 3, 1 with Intrepid

2009-02-23 Thread Chris Weaver
At the moment there is no fix. By the way, this only affects the sound
coming through the internal speakers if you plug something into the
headphone socket it sounds fine (I have the same issue)

- CW

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 doug livesey wrote:
  sound is incredibly quiet

 Make sure all the volume controls are up, and not just the speaker
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound unlistenably quiet on Macbook 3, 1 with Intrepid

2009-02-23 Thread doug livesey
Cool -- I've signed up to the bug, so I'll wait for that to be sorted.
Meantime, Ubuntu still rocks, and I'm dual booting OSX for media stuff,
anyway.
Thanks a lot,
   Doug.

2009/2/23 Chris Weaver ch...@resonancefm.com

 At the moment there is no fix. By the way, this only affects the sound
 coming through the internal speakers if you plug something into the
 headphone socket it sounds fine (I have the same issue)

 - CW

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 doug livesey wrote:
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[ubuntu-uk] is list working?

2009-02-23 Thread Mark White
I haven't had any emails from this list since last Thursday. Have I done
something stupid?

 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] is list working?

2009-02-23 Thread Dave Morley
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 12:02 +, Mark White wrote:
 I haven’t had any emails from this list since last Thursday. Have I
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] is list working?

2009-02-23 Thread norman
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 12:02 +, Mark White wrote:
 I haven’t had any emails from this list since last Thursday. Have I
 done something stupid?

Only you know the answer to that question.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] is list working?

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
Mark White wrote:

 I haven’t had any emails from this list since last Thursday. Have I 
 done something stupid?

 Mark

The list is working fine. There have been two other replies to your 
original message. I've cc'ed you on this one, so you should definitely 
get this. If you haven't also received the other messages then 
something's wrong, whether you've done something stupid or not is hard 
to tell...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Setting JDK 6 as default Java alternative on Ubuntu

2009-02-23 Thread Jason Liquorish
doug livesey wrote:
 Hi -- as part of trying to get OpenLaszlo to work on my Ubuntu machine, 
 I need to set it up so that the default version of Java it is running is 
 a JDK (preferably 6).
 I've found tuts that tell me how to select from the java alternatives on 
 my machine, but I've no idea how to add the JDKs I've installed through 
 Synaptic to this list of alternatives.
 I'll also need the JDK to install the latest version of Freemind  other 
 Java apps from source.
 Can anyone advise me on how this is done?
 Cheers,
Doug.
 
Hi Doug,

I usually follow the guide on the Ubuntu wiki 
here:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java to get java installed on any 
new installs. I also use the jdk to develop java for college and I just 
follow the steps on the wiki page above then install the sun-java6-sdk 
package.

Doing that works fine for me and I think the runtime and development 
packages are just separate for ease of use.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Setting JDK 6 as default Java alternative on Ubuntu

2009-02-23 Thread Jason Liquorish
Jason Liquorish wrote:
 doug livesey wrote:
 Hi -- as part of trying to get OpenLaszlo to work on my Ubuntu machine, 
 I need to set it up so that the default version of Java it is running is 
 a JDK (preferably 6).
 I've found tuts that tell me how to select from the java alternatives on 
 my machine, but I've no idea how to add the JDKs I've installed through 
 Synaptic to this list of alternatives.
 I'll also need the JDK to install the latest version of Freemind  other 
 Java apps from source.
 Can anyone advise me on how this is done?
 Cheers,
Doug.

 Hi Doug,
 
 I usually follow the guide on the Ubuntu wiki 
 here:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java to get java installed on any 
 new installs. I also use the jdk to develop java for college and I just 
 follow the steps on the wiki page above then install the sun-java6-sdk 
 package.
 
 Doing that works fine for me and I think the runtime and development 
 packages are just separate for ease of use.
 
 Thanks
Sorry just realised a silly mistake. The package is sun-java6-jdk not sdk.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] network monitor

2009-02-23 Thread azmodie
another option is http://crunchbang.org/wiki/vnstat-network-traffic-monitor/

vnstat is a console app but can add a web interface to it. [google]

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Terminal Command on Secondary Monitor

2009-02-23 Thread azmodie
try Install either wmctrl or devilspie.

http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] network monitor

2009-02-23 Thread javadayaz
basically i want to see what the kind of traffic other pc's on the network
are getting. I just wana be big brother and make sure no ones downloading
anything ! :)
2009/2/23 azmodie azmo...@gmail.com

 another option is
 http://crunchbang.org/wiki/vnstat-network-traffic-monitor/

 vnstat is a console app but can add a web interface to it. [google]

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Terminal Command on Secondary Monitor

2009-02-23 Thread Paul Sladen
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Paul Sladen wrote:
 On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Harry Rickards wrote:
  command  to be opened on a secondary monitor from a terminal
 Sadly, I tested -geometry with gnome-terminal and it doesn't understand

However; formatting it as:

  gnome-terminal --geometry=80x25+1024+0

*does* work!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Orange wireless dongle on Ubuntu 8.10

2009-02-23 Thread Michael G Fletcher
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM, John jake...@sky.com wrote:

 Hi everybody,

 sorry I havent been around much, I havent been very well, and had to
 leave this.

 I have managed to work out this page

 http://www.pharscape.org/networkmanager-0.7.0-and-3g-wwan-modems.html

 till I get to where it says 'Disabling ZeroCD. I have uploaded the
 ozerocdoff file, but it asks you to install it, but I've tried using the
 Deb installer, but it doesnt recognise it. How can I install it. I think
 once I've installed this, then I am almost there, with what I need to
 get this to work. Anybody have any ideas?

 I would be really grateful for the help.

 John.

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I think you need to compile the source code.  you will have downloaded
the file udev.tar.gz (i think)

Open a terminal and cd into the folder that has the file, eg if it is
on your desktop, you would go

cd /home/username/Desktop(replace username with your username)

then you need to unpack the contents,

tar zxf udev.tar.gz

go to the new folder

cd udev

then you need to compile the source,

sudo make

sudo make install

that should do it :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Orange wireless dongle on Ubuntu 8.10

2009-02-23 Thread John




Michael G Fletcher wrote:

  On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM, John jake...@sky.com wrote:
  
  
Hi everybody,

sorry I havent been around much, I havent been very well, and had to
leave this.

I have managed to work out this page

http://www.pharscape.org/networkmanager-0.7.0-and-3g-wwan-modems.html

till I get to where it says 'Disabling ZeroCD. I have uploaded the
ozerocdoff file, but it asks you to install it, but I've tried using the
Deb installer, but it doesnt recognise it. How can I install it. I think
once I've installed this, then I am almost there, with what I need to
get this to work. Anybody have any ideas?

I would be really grateful for the help.

John.

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  John

I think you need to compile the source code.  you will have downloaded
the file udev.tar.gz (i think)

Open a terminal and cd into the folder that has the file, eg if it is
on your desktop, you would go

cd /home/username/Desktop(replace username with your username)

then you need to unpack the contents,

tar zxf udev.tar.gz

go to the new folder

cd udev

then you need to compile the source,

sudo make

sudo make install

that should do it :-)

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Hi Mike, thank you for the message. This is what is confusing me, the
when you say go to the folder and use 

cd udev

How do I do that. I have unpacked the contents of 
tar zxf udev.tar.gz


but the nest step I dont know how to do. Do I enter that into a
Terminal, or do somethign else. I tried entering it into a terminal,
but got 

bash: cd udev: No such file or directory

Sorry to be so thick.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] new arm notebooks

2009-02-23 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 01:53:19PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
 The form-factor the ARM netbooks should be aiming for is that of the
 Psion 5 and 5mx, or a host of broadly-similar Windows-CE powered
 Handheld PCs, such as the HP Jornada 720, the LG Phenom, the NEC
 MobilePro and so on. Pocketable computer power.

There are some linux devices along those lines. The one I'm currently
waiting for:
http://openpandora.org/

ATM I've got a Nokia N810 which isn't a clamshell but is aimed at the
same kind of use pattern (and you can get a clamshell case for them).

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[ubuntu-uk] LUG

2009-02-23 Thread hamishw

Hi
I was wondering if there is a LUG in the North Hampshire area, Farnborough for 
instance. 

I found the Ubuntu UK Community support site via Ubuntu and would like to get 
more involved, somehow, although not an expert at all. I have been using Ubuntu 
for a few years (accidentally wiped Win XP off wife's worked laptop whilst 
playing with Live CD) and am now playing around with gOS.

I saw the IRC link and when I'm not goofing off at work and can access sites 
that they don't deem to be subversive, I will visit the chat room.

Thanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUG

2009-02-23 Thread Alan Pope
2009/2/23  hami...@talktalk.net:
 Hi
 I was wondering if there is a LUG in the North Hampshire area, Farnborough
 for instance.

There is a Hampshire LUG. We meet in/near Farnborough sometimes. We
also frequently meet up in Southampton.

You can find out lots more about the LUG here:-

http://hants.lug.org.uk/

Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] desktop 1 and 2

2009-02-23 Thread red
I have two desk tops on my system can I have a wall paper on one page 
and a differant on the other if so, how

Shalom

Rik

Alan Pope wrote:
 2009/2/23  hami...@talktalk.net:
   
 Hi
 I was wondering if there is a LUG in the North Hampshire area, Farnborough
 for instance.
 

 There is a Hampshire LUG. We meet in/near Farnborough sometimes. We
 also frequently meet up in Southampton.

 You can find out lots more about the LUG here:-

 http://hants.lug.org.uk/

 Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] Advice on backing up Ubuntu machine

2009-02-23 Thread doug livesey
Hi -- I've recently switched my main dev machine from OSX to Ubuntu Ibex,
and would like to start implementing a regular backup regimen.
In OSX I used TimeMachine, an excellent app that has saved my arse on more
than one occasion.
I've seen that there are supposed to be equivalents, like FlyBack (which I
haven't managed to get working, yet), but thought a quick straw poll on what
other ubuntu geeks are using could be helpful.
Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on backing up Ubuntu machine

2009-02-23 Thread Simon Wears
There's one called TimeVault which (I think) is supposed to be pretty  
similar to TimeMachine that I've been meaning to try out. I don't know  
how easy to use it is, or what stage it's at, but I thought I'd point  
it out.

You could also open up add/remove programs and search the word  
'backup' and see what it comes up with.

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On 24 Feb 2009, at 00:34, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi -- I've recently switched my main dev machine from OSX to Ubuntu  
 Ibex, and would like to start implementing a regular backup regimen.
 In OSX I used TimeMachine, an excellent app that has saved my arse  
 on more than one occasion.
 I've seen that there are supposed to be equivalents, like FlyBack  
 (which I haven't managed to get working, yet), but thought a quick  
 straw poll on what other ubuntu geeks are using could be helpful.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] new arm notebooks

2009-02-23 Thread Liam Proven
2009/2/23 Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.net:
 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 01:53:19PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
 The form-factor the ARM netbooks should be aiming for is that of the
 Psion 5 and 5mx, or a host of broadly-similar Windows-CE powered
 Handheld PCs, such as the HP Jornada 720, the LG Phenom, the NEC
 MobilePro and so on. Pocketable computer power.

 There are some linux devices along those lines. The one I'm currently
 waiting for:
 http://openpandora.org/

I've read of it. Tiny pocket Gameboy thing with an appalling-looking
keyboard. Doesn't look interesting to me at all.

 ATM I've got a Nokia N810 which isn't a clamshell but is aimed at the
 same kind of use pattern (and you can get a clamshell case for them).

I have looked at them - interesting gadget, but no PDA functionality
and a bit small for the Web, I reckoned.

But for me, the big selling point of the Psions was an excellent
keyboard. Amongst other things, I write for a living, and I wrote many
thousands of words on my Psions. They paid for themselves many times
over. Even the Eee doesn't match up.

A mini-notebook with a decent-res transreflective screen - even the
old 7 Eee 800*480 would do, but 1024x480 would be fine; the OLPC's
1200x900 would be fantastic, or a scaled-down version thereof - and a
good keyboard and I'd be delighted. But no keyboard, or a keypad one
can't can't type properly on - no deal!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Orange wireless dongle on Ubuntu 8.10

2009-02-23 Thread John
Hi Mike, have finally got the Dongle working, but its not stable, it 
crashes now and again. It seems it doesnt like automatically 
reconnecting, if the connection has been lost.

On one crash, something changed, and I'm not sure what it was. I just 
wondered, can you tell me how I can find out what version I'm using 
again, if you write it down, I wont forget it.

thank you for the help.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on backing up Ubuntu machine

2009-02-23 Thread Jason Liquorish
doug livesey wrote:
 Hi -- I've recently switched my main dev machine from OSX to Ubuntu 
 Ibex, and would like to start implementing a regular backup regimen.
 In OSX I used TimeMachine, an excellent app that has saved my arse on 
 more than one occasion.
 I've seen that there are supposed to be equivalents, like FlyBack (which 
 I haven't managed to get working, yet), but thought a quick straw poll 
 on what other ubuntu geeks are using could be helpful.
 Cheers,
Doug.
 

Hi, I thought Time Machine rang a bell so checked my browser bookmarks 
and found two links of interest. One is for FlyBack which you seem to 
have already tried and the other is a more manual, and thus more 
confusing, way of implementing pretty much the same as what Time Machine 
does.

The site for the manual method can be found at [0] although I would 
recommend having a good read of the FlyBack documentation just to make 
sure you fully understand how it works [1] and maybe take a look at the 
FAQs [2].

If however you do not necessarily want a direct replacement for Time 
Machine, just a solid backup solution, then I have heard some ubuntu-uk 
members mention rdiff-backup [3] and backup-manager [4].

Hope that helps you out and let us know how you get on and if you 
encounter any more problems, documentation is your friend and it is 
always advisable to read so that you get a good understanding of how the 
program functions and what the options do, especially with something as 
important as backups!

[0] http://blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html
[1] http://code.google.com/p/flyback/wiki/HowItWorks
[2] http://code.google.com/p/flyback/wiki/FAQ
[3] http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/
[4] http://www2.backup-manager.org/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] new arm notebooks

2009-02-23 Thread Matthew Wild
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/2/23 Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.net:
 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 01:53:19PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
 The form-factor the ARM netbooks should be aiming for is that of the
 Psion 5 and 5mx, or a host of broadly-similar Windows-CE powered
 Handheld PCs, such as the HP Jornada 720, the LG Phenom, the NEC
 MobilePro and so on. Pocketable computer power.

 There are some linux devices along those lines. The one I'm currently
 waiting for:
 http://openpandora.org/

 I've read of it. Tiny pocket Gameboy thing with an appalling-looking
 keyboard. Doesn't look interesting to me at all.

 ATM I've got a Nokia N810 which isn't a clamshell but is aimed at the
 same kind of use pattern (and you can get a clamshell case for them).

 I have looked at them - interesting gadget, but no PDA functionality
 and a bit small for the Web, I reckoned.

 But for me, the big selling point of the Psions was an excellent
 keyboard. Amongst other things, I write for a living, and I wrote many
 thousands of words on my Psions. They paid for themselves many times
 over. Even the Eee doesn't match up.


Aahh, Psions. Brings back memories. I used them for coding,
likewise churning out many, many lines of code.

But, now just a distant memory. I'm keeping a keen eye on the Pandora.
I'm not sure the keyboard will be so bad, but I'm waiting to hear what
people who receive them say about that. Calling it a Gameboy thing
is fairly misleading. It's simply an ARM machine running an embedded
Linux distro (with desktop), with a touchscreen. The only specific
game things about it are the 2 control pads above the keyboard, but
I'm quite sure they'll come in handy for scrolling :)

Only time will tell. It sounds like we're both looking for something
similar, and I have never managed to replace my old Psion. Can't
justify the cost vs. size/weight/battery of the netbooks which are
catching on now, which is why I'm hesitant to jump for one of those. I
prefer something I can fit in my pocket, yet still type on.

Matthew.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on backing up Ubuntu machine

2009-02-23 Thread doug livesey
Thanks for that brilliant  comprehensive list!
I'll get cracking on those.

2009/2/24 Jason Liquorish ja...@dropshock.com

 - Show quoted text -
 doug livesey wrote:
  Hi -- I've recently switched my main dev machine from OSX to Ubuntu
  Ibex, and would like to start implementing a regular backup regimen.
  In OSX I used TimeMachine, an excellent app that has saved my arse on
  more than one occasion.
  I've seen that there are supposed to be equivalents, like FlyBack (which
  I haven't managed to get working, yet), but thought a quick straw poll
  on what other ubuntu geeks are using could be helpful.
  Cheers,
 Doug.
 

 Hi, I thought Time Machine rang a bell so checked my browser bookmarks
 and found two links of interest. One is for FlyBack which you seem to
 have already tried and the other is a more manual, and thus more
 confusing, way of implementing pretty much the same as what Time Machine
 does.

 The site for the manual method can be found at [0] although I would
 recommend having a good read of the FlyBack documentation just to make
 sure you fully understand how it works [1] and maybe take a look at the
 FAQs [2].

 If however you do not necessarily want a direct replacement for Time
 Machine, just a solid backup solution, then I have heard some ubuntu-uk
 members mention rdiff-backup [3] and backup-manager [4].

 Hope that helps you out and let us know how you get on and if you
 encounter any more problems, documentation is your friend and it is
 always advisable to read so that you get a good understanding of how the
 program functions and what the options do, especially with something as
 important as backups!

 [0] http://blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html
 [1] http://code.google.com/p/flyback/wiki/HowItWorks
 [2] http://code.google.com/p/flyback/wiki/FAQ
 [3] http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/
 [4] http://www2.backup-manager.org/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] new arm notebooks

2009-02-23 Thread Liam Proven
2009/2/24 Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/2/23 Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.net:
 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 01:53:19PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
 The form-factor the ARM netbooks should be aiming for is that of the
 Psion 5 and 5mx, or a host of broadly-similar Windows-CE powered
 Handheld PCs, such as the HP Jornada 720, the LG Phenom, the NEC
 MobilePro and so on. Pocketable computer power.

 There are some linux devices along those lines. The one I'm currently
 waiting for:
 http://openpandora.org/

 I've read of it. Tiny pocket Gameboy thing with an appalling-looking
 keyboard. Doesn't look interesting to me at all.

 ATM I've got a Nokia N810 which isn't a clamshell but is aimed at the
 same kind of use pattern (and you can get a clamshell case for them).

 I have looked at them - interesting gadget, but no PDA functionality
 and a bit small for the Web, I reckoned.

 But for me, the big selling point of the Psions was an excellent
 keyboard. Amongst other things, I write for a living, and I wrote many
 thousands of words on my Psions. They paid for themselves many times
 over. Even the Eee doesn't match up.


 Aahh, Psions. Brings back memories. I used them for coding,
 likewise churning out many, many lines of code.

 But, now just a distant memory. I'm keeping a keen eye on the Pandora.
 I'm not sure the keyboard will be so bad, but I'm waiting to hear what
 people who receive them say about that. Calling it a Gameboy thing
 is fairly misleading. It's simply an ARM machine running an embedded
 Linux distro (with desktop), with a touchscreen. The only specific
 game things about it are the 2 control pads above the keyboard, but
 I'm quite sure they'll come in handy for scrolling :)

 Only time will tell. It sounds like we're both looking for something
 similar, and I have never managed to replace my old Psion. Can't
 justify the cost vs. size/weight/battery of the netbooks which are
 catching on now, which is why I'm hesitant to jump for one of those. I
 prefer something I can fit in my pocket, yet still type on.

Perhaps I'm doing the Pandora an injustice, but it looked to me like a
pocket console. Small, relatively low-res screen, not much storage,
not much expansion, token keyboard, but built-in game controllers: not
so much a Gameboy, to be fair, as an improved GamePark GP2X or
something. Nice toy, but of no interest to me.

But it sounds to me like you and I, like tens - maybe hundreds - of
thousands of other people, really just badly want a modern Psion 5.
Same case  keyboard, fast modern ARM chip, OLPC XO-1 type screen, USB
instead of a serial link, and say a couple of SD slots instead of the
single CF slot and I'd be over the moon. With SDIO one could add
Bluetooth or Wifi or both if one needed it.

Ideally, it would have B/T, Wifi and a UMTS SIM slot onboard, but I
fear that these would all bloat the price and murder the battery
life... But hey, the Qtek 9000 (AKA HTC Universal AKA  O2 xda Exec,
Orange SPV M5000, Dopod 900, T-Mobile MDA Pro, I-mate JasJar, Vodafone
v1640, Vodafone VPA IV, E-Plus PDA IV, etc.) managed all those and
with an extended battery it still had a battery life of 2-3 days or
more.

Also, to be honest, I preferred EPOC to Linux, but I am not so taken
with Symbian, so Linux now would make more sense...

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