Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events
Hello! Sorry for leaving this for so long, but life has been excessively busy. However, after reading through all the feedback from the list, and having sat down and had a bit of a think, I'd like to attempt a training event at Oggcamp. I have two ideas I'd like bounce past people. The first is a practical Python for Nonprogrammers session. Bit of a bring a laptop and have a go type thing. The other idea is Supporting people over IRC. This would be more of a sit and be lectured at type session, possibly with a few over the acted out examples. Doing a session at Oggcamp could be a good way to pick up some momentum and get an idea of how to do this :) Ideas/Opinions? -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events
Hi, Python for Nonprogrammers session. Bit of a bring a laptop and have a go type thing. Brilliant idea! I had lots of trouble trying to start programming and still struggle now. Most of the courses I have attended or guides I have read have been very much aimed at Computer Scientists with language and structure that they are familiar with. Coming from a non-CS background this was all gobbldy-gook until I had a go. I suggest that you come up with a simple task to complete though. Even something like count the works in a sentence or count the numbers of the in a paragraph this teaches some very basic stuff that is assumed knowledge in other tutorials. Good luck, Ciarán -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events
Python for Nonprogrammers session - Excellent Idea Matt, I am a developer with experience in Python and I will be attending OGG camp, I'd be happy to lend a hand, say lead a small group or something, anythig really just happy to help. Ant Burton - _64k -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events
The Python for Non-Programmers sounds like a great thing - I have no experience/knowledge regarding Python whatsoever, so I would quite enjoy to give you a had! Regards, --- Joe O'Dell Fedora Contributor (FreeMedia) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ascenseur bedsLUG Co-Ordinator bedslug.co.cc DFEY Member (SouthEast) dfey.org Ubuntu-UK Group Member (ascenseur) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeODell On 18 Feb 2010, at 14:35, Anthony Burton wrote: Python for Nonprogrammers session - Excellent Idea Matt, I am a developer with experience in Python and I will be attending OGG camp, I'd be happy to lend a hand, say lead a small group or something, anythig really just happy to help. Ant Burton - _64k -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events
On 18/02/10 09:29, Matthew Daubney wrote: snip / I have two ideas I'd like bounce past people. The first is a practical Python for Nonprogrammers session. Bit of a bring a laptop and have a go type thing. That's *almost* enough to tempt me to go all the way to Liverpool! A thoroughly excellent idea Matt. It's doubtful I will be going to OggCamp but if you can stream it too then we can join in from anywhere! Cheers Al -- The Open Learning Centre http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
ok, I hope I can explain this. In my Terminal it has jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$. but in Places, desktop is spelt with an Uppercase D. Does that make any difference. Can somebody explain what jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$ is/means? Maybe that is why I have so many problems using the Terminal to do upload stuff to my server. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On 18 February 2010 16:37, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: ok, I hope I can explain this. In my Terminal it has jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$. but in Places, desktop is spelt with an Uppercase D. Does that make any difference. Can somebody explain what jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$ is/means? Maybe that is why I have so many problems using the Terminal to do upload stuff to my server. jakewc-desktop is the hostname of your machine. You are logged in as jakewc2 and you are in the root of your user account. Simon -- Looking for work My CV: http://sites.google.com/site/simongreenwoodscv/ Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonfgreenwood Support for unemployed IT professionals: http://groups.google.com/group/downtimeuk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On 18 February 2010 16:37, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: ok, I hope I can explain this. In my Terminal it has jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$. this is your username @ ^ is your hostname. You hostname is jakewc2-desktop. /home/jakewc2/Desktop is a folder in your home directory. Uppercase D. Does that make any difference. No. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 16:37 +, John Matthews wrote: ok, I hope I can explain this. In my Terminal it has jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$. but in Places, desktop is spelt with an Uppercase D. Does that make any difference. Can somebody explain what jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$ is/means? Maybe that is why I have so many problems using the Terminal to do upload stuff to my server. John Hi John, the jake...@jakewc2-desktop bit of that prompt shows you the user you're logged in as, followed by the hostname of your computer. The ~ really means /home/jakewc2 . If you where to type cd Desktop you'd end up with jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~/Desktop$ The $ shows that you have root priviledges, and the : is just a seperator :) So the Desktop in the places folder is the Desktop folder in /home/jakewc2 and the jakewc2-desktop is just the name of your machine. Hope that helps. -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Isn't jakewc2-desktop your machine's hostname? What happens if you cd ~/Desktop ? Charlie. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 16:37, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: ok, I hope I can explain this. In my Terminal it has jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$. but in Places, desktop is spelt with an Uppercase D. Does that make any difference. Can somebody explain what jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$ is/means? Maybe that is why I have so many problems using the Terminal to do upload stuff to my server. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Matt, Matthew Daubney wrote: the jake...@jakewc2-desktop bit of that prompt shows you the user you're logged in as, followed by the hostname of your computer. The ~ really means /home/jakewc2 . If you where to type cd Desktop you'd end up with jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~/Desktop$ The $ shows that you have root priviledges, and the : is just a seperator :) I'm not sure the $ shows you have root privileges. Or do you mean the user is in the admin group and can do sudo? The prompt string is determined by the environment variable PS1. If you do 'echo $PS1' you will see how it is defined. It includes backslashed characters and variable names that get substituted by bash. You can change the definition of PS1 in the .bashrc or .bash_profile file, or their equivalents in whichever shell is being used. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Matthew Daubney The $ shows that you /don't/ have root priviledges, and the : is just a seperator :) Sorry to be pedantic, but the missing word is quite important :) jim -- Jim Cameron Software Engineer Buhler Sortex Limited Research and Development Department 20 Atlantis Avenue London E16 2BF Registered in England No. 434274 T +44(0)20 7055 7607 F +44(0)20 7055 7701 Mail to: jim.came...@buhlersortex.com www.buhlersortex.com This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is designated exclusively for the intended recipient. Access by any other person is not authorised. Any disclosure of this e-mail or of names of persons mentioned therein as well as any storing, copying, distribution and dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail and notify the sender by phone or by e-mail. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 16:40 +, Alan Pope wrote: On 18 February 2010 16:37, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: ok, I hope I can explain this. In my Terminal it has jake...@jakewc2-desktop:~$. this is your username @ ^ is your hostname. You hostname is jakewc2-desktop. /home/jakewc2/Desktop is a folder in your home directory. Uppercase D. Does that make any difference. No. Is that correct? If I want to log into /Desktop surely the uppercase D is essential? Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 18:08 +0100, jim.came...@buhlersortex.com wrote: Matthew Daubney The $ shows that you /don't/ have root priviledges, and the : is just a seperator :) Sorry to be pedantic, but the missing word is quite important :) Indeed, apologies for that! -Matt Daubney (off to buy a My First Keyboard) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Jim, jim.came...@buhlersortex.com wrote: Matthew Daubney The $ shows that you /don't/ have root priviledges, and the : is just a seperator :) Sorry to be pedantic, but the missing word is quite important :) See my previous post. I don't think the $ indicates anything about root privileges. The user can define their own prompt and put whatever he/she likes in there! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Just to emphasise - hostnames aren't case sensitive - file and foldernames are :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk wrote: Sorry to be pedantic, but the missing word is quite important :) Indeed, apologies for that! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
..oh and a # denotes root - $ denotes anything else so if you sudo -i you'll see the prompt replaced with # :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Paul Roach roa...@roachy.net wrote: Just to emphasise - hostnames aren't case sensitive - file and foldernames are :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk wrote: Sorry to be pedantic, but the missing word is quite important :) Indeed, apologies for that! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Traditionally in Unix $ denoted user, # denoted root. Dunno how it works in Linux because in Ubuntu I tend to use sudo rather than logging in directly, though I'd guess if I were in as root I'd get a # prompt rather than a $ one - others can clarify whether this is actually the case. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Yes /Desktop is most definitely a different thing to /desktop Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:25 +, Sean Miller wrote: Traditionally in Unix $ denoted user, # denoted root. Dunno how it works in Linux because in Ubuntu I tend to use sudo rather than logging in directly, though I'd guess if I were in as root I'd get a # prompt rather than a $ one - others can clarify whether this is actually the case. It is the case, assuming you are using the standard bash $PS1. It might be different if you've customised your prompt or are using a different shell. -- Matt Wheeler m...@funkyhat.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Tony Arnold, See my previous post. I don't think the $ indicates anything about root privileges. The user can define their own prompt and put whatever he/she likes in there! You are of course perfectly right. By default, though, a # denotes root privileges and a $ non-root, and I'm sure that 99 out of 100 Linux-based systems follow the convention. Although as other posters have pointed out, most people just use sudo anyway. jim -- Jim Cameron Software Engineer Buhler Sortex Limited Research and Development Department 20 Atlantis Avenue London E16 2BF Registered in England No. 434274 T +44(0)20 7055 7607 F +44(0)20 7055 7701 Mail to: jim.came...@buhlersortex.com www.buhlersortex.com This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is designated exclusively for the intended recipient. Access by any other person is not authorised. Any disclosure of this e-mail or of names of persons mentioned therein as well as any storing, copying, distribution and dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail and notify the sender by phone or by e-mail. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Sean Miller wrote: Yes /Desktop is most definitely a different thing to /desktop Sean Not to mention if you're looking for the folder that relates to your own desktop, it'll be in ~/Desktop or most probably /home/jakewc2/Desktop Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Rob Beard wrote: Sean Miller wrote: Yes /Desktop is most definitely a different thing to /desktop Sean Not to mention if you're looking for the folder that relates to your own desktop, it'll be in ~/Desktop or most probably /home/jakewc2/Desktop Rob Oh wow, thanks everybody for the replies, that has helped. I just wondered then, what is the difference between the /desktop and ~/Desktop. Sorry for being so thick. Why is it used in the Terminal? John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
Sounds to me like jakewc2-desktop is simply the name of your PC, whereas the /Desktop is the path you're in... If you imagine your machine was called Fred I'd guess that it'd be in place of jakewc2-desktop and the Desktop path would be there the same, less confusion! Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Just noticed something..not sure if its an error.....
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:51 +, John Matthews wrote: Oh wow, thanks everybody for the replies, that has helped. I just wondered then, what is the difference between the /desktop and ~/Desktop. Sorry for being so thick. Why is it used in the Terminal? John, Part of the confusion arises because the name of your computer has the word desktop in it. To give you a counter example, the machine I am currently writing this email on is called nuuk (after the capital city of Greenland),so when I open a terminal, I see this: br...@nuuk:~$ As several people have said before, the first part, before the '@' character is my user name, bruno; the second part, between the '@' character and the ':' character is the name of my computer, nuuk; the last part, between the ':' character and the '$' character is the name of the directory in which I am. This directory is abbreviated to a single '~' when you are in your home directory: this is an old UNIX convention that is still in use today. The real name of that directory is /home/bruno in my case, /home/jakewc2 in your case. You can check this by typing the following in the terminal: pwd This will give you the fully qualified name of the directory you are in. Now, if you type the following: cd Desktop This tells the shell to change your current directory to a directory called Desktop and that is located in the directory you are currently in. When I do this, my prompt changes to: br...@nuuk:~/Desktop$ This tells me that my user name is still bruno, my computer is still nuuk but the directory in which I am is now ~/Desktop. Finally, to answer your question above (at last!), /desktop is a completely different directory from ~/Desktop for two reasons: * First, it doesn't have the '~' character at the beginning, which means that it should be a directory directly under the root of the file system: all directories are arranged in a tree structure that starts with a directory called / (or root) so when you see a directory called /home/jakewc2/Desktop, it means it is a directory called Desktop inside a directory called jakewc2 inside a directory called home under the root of the file system. On the other hand, if you see a directory called /desktop, it means it is a directory called desktop directly under the root of the file system. * Second, Linux is case sensitive when it comes to file and directory names so the directory desktop is different from the directory Desktop. I hope this explanation has not confused you further :-) Cheers, Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Convert you tube video to .3gp
Hi I know you can do this and that there is a package out there but I can't recall what it called. Please help! Shalom Rik Boland 15 Stanley Place, Lancaster, LA1 5PN Mobile 07866439588 We need Justice but we also need Grace and Mercy from God to do this. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Convert you tube video to .3gp
Hi Rik, On 18 February 2010 22:15, Rik Boland rik_bol...@btinternet.com wrote: I know you can do this and that there is a package out there but I can't recall what it called. Please help! Winff. http://winff.org/html_new/ Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
