[ubuntu-uk] Remote support using VNC over SSH (via another SSH server)

2010-03-19 Thread Rob Beard
Hi folks,

I'm struggling here to configure VNC forwarding over SSH so I can 
provide remote support to my mum.

Basically what I want to achieve is to be able for my mum to double 
click an icon on her desktop and have VNC sit there and wait for a 
connection from me.

However, I'd like the connection to go via one of my virtual servers 
over an SSH connection.  I'd then like to be able to connect into my 
virtual SSH server from my laptop and have it pick up the VNC session.

I want to do it this way so I'm not restricted to only one machine that 
can accept the remote connection, and I also want to be able to connect 
in and provide support when I'm out (say using public wifi or a 3G 
connection).

I've tried it with Gitso but I can't get it to work, in fact I can't get 
Gitso to work without a third machine in the way.  I realise I could 
just open up some ports on my mum's router but I'd like to avoid that.  
I'd rather her machine connect to my server.

I'm getting a bit confused with the way SSH forwarding works now.  For 
one I can't figure out what commands I need to use at each end.  I've 
tried using ssh -L on my laptop and ssh -R -g on the remote machine and 
also the other way around but I'm stumped now and wondering if it's even 
possible?

I'm not sure if it's the right way of going about this but I guess I'd 
like the following to happen...


---
| Mum's laptop |  ---  | Server |  ---  | My Laptop |
---

Mum's laptop forwards it's port 5900 to my server via SSH.  My laptop 
then connects to my server via SSH, picks up my mum's port 5900 and then 
hands it over to vncviewer on my laptop.

Does anyone know if this is possible?

Ta,

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 9.04 + gnome screen error

2010-03-19 Thread Rob Beard
Paul Sutton wrote:
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 just got the above, come up,  not sure what triggered it, but I can't
 click on desktop,  i can click menus and load programs

 i can't change the background using preferences
 can't even click, its just a white space.

 just wondered if anyone has come across this sort of thing.

 Paul

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 I've seen something a bit like that on a couple of systems. It was due
 to problems with Compiz.

 One 1 machine, it was due to me disabling DRI in the X server while
 leaving Compiz enabled. It requires DRI  couldn't display a usable
 desktop without it.

 On the other, it was due to relying on an only-partially-supported
 graphics chipset  enabling all the visual chrome in Appearance. The
 graphics couldn't support all the features and I got a blank desktop.

 In both cases, I had to flip to an alternate V-console (Ctrl+Alt+F1 -
 thru' - F6) and fix it from the command line.


 
 hmm,  thats interesting as I seeem to be triggering it when killing the
 desktop with xkill (did this on purpose for a test). so


 alt -f2
 type xkill
 click on desktop

 so the two could potentially be inter related,

 according to #ubuntu-uk,  this isn't a but and meant to happen, i
 understand the reasons,  i can now fix it by re-running nautilus,  i am
 more concerned regarding newish users doing this,

 Paul
   
Um... I'm afraid to say, I very much doubt a newish user will know what 
xkill is let alone type it.  I mean as a more experienced user (not 
saying I'm uber experienced, just more experienced than a newbie), I 
still open a terminal and type killall process name or maybe kill -HUP 
pid rather than running xkill.

I'd say there is more chance a user accidentally blatting their Windows 
installation than doing this.

Rob



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote support using VNC over SSH (via another SSH server)

2010-03-19 Thread Jon Spriggs
Create a file (one on each end) called ~/.ssh/config as follows

# Remote machine
Host support
HostName central.server.address
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/private_key
User username
RemoteForward 12345 localhost:5900

# Your machine
Host support
HostName central.server.address
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/private_key
User username
LocalForward 5901 localhost:12345

The icon on her machine should perform ssh support. You can ssh
support as well. You would then VNC to localhost:5901.

This is mostly from memory, although I've checked a couple of my
config files - and I'm not using remoteforward anywhere, so the syntax
may be *slightly* wrong. If it's not right, swap the port numbers.
Also, if it's a shared box, don't use port 12345, as someone else
might be using it.

Just as a word of warning, I've found some issues when using desktop
effects with the built-in VNC server, so unless you need them to sell
the OS, turn them off.
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On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I'm struggling here to configure VNC forwarding over SSH so I can
 provide remote support to my mum.

 Basically what I want to achieve is to be able for my mum to double
 click an icon on her desktop and have VNC sit there and wait for a
 connection from me.

 However, I'd like the connection to go via one of my virtual servers
 over an SSH connection.  I'd then like to be able to connect into my
 virtual SSH server from my laptop and have it pick up the VNC session.

 I want to do it this way so I'm not restricted to only one machine that
 can accept the remote connection, and I also want to be able to connect
 in and provide support when I'm out (say using public wifi or a 3G
 connection).

 I've tried it with Gitso but I can't get it to work, in fact I can't get
 Gitso to work without a third machine in the way.  I realise I could
 just open up some ports on my mum's router but I'd like to avoid that.
 I'd rather her machine connect to my server.

 I'm getting a bit confused with the way SSH forwarding works now.  For
 one I can't figure out what commands I need to use at each end.  I've
 tried using ssh -L on my laptop and ssh -R -g on the remote machine and
 also the other way around but I'm stumped now and wondering if it's even
 possible?

 I'm not sure if it's the right way of going about this but I guess I'd
 like the following to happen...


         --        -
 | Mum's laptop |  ---  | Server |  ---  | My Laptop |
         --        -

 Mum's laptop forwards it's port 5900 to my server via SSH.  My laptop
 then connects to my server via SSH, picks up my mum's port 5900 and then
 hands it over to vncviewer on my laptop.

 Does anyone know if this is possible?

 Ta,

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[ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Dianne Reuby
Is this real?

http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

Dianne


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Is this real?

 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

 Dianne

It's true inasmuch as that machine is not even remotely a Commodore
64. It's an all-in-one but otherwise entirely generic x86 PC being
sold by a small company who has bought (or leased) the rights to the
Commodore name, which has been widely traded in the 16 years since the
company went bust.

There's virtually no info on that rather amateurish page; I found it
through an inaccurate  error-riddled news story on ZDNet Australia
last night.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread David King
This looks like a very nice computer, but we have to wait until 1st June 
2010 to see pricing or to be able to order.

I would think it is real, there is no reason why such hardware should 
not exist. And great as well that the default OS is Ubuntu, if you want 
Windows, you pay extra. All computers should be sold this way, with a 
few other choices of Linux for no extra cost and Windows at various 
prices, so that a person could have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, or Kubuntu, etc.

If I was looking for a neat small PC that requires little space, this is 
a real serious alternative to having a laptop in the home that would 
otherwise never be taken out anywhere.


David King



Dianne Reuby wrote:
 Is this real?

 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

 Dianne


   

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Tony Travis
Dianne Reuby wrote:
 Is this real?
 
 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html
 
 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

Hello, Dianne.

Seems like it's just a badge-engineered version of one of these:

   http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm

Bye,

   Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Is this real?

 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

Think of it as a modern computer in the C64 form factor (shape).

Does this form factor have any technical advantages over modern desktops?
I cannot think of any technical advantages.
It mentions a Core Duo CPU (instead of Atom), which means it's rather heavy duty
instead of an eco friendly computer.

The market they are looking into is those who want to revive their old
C64 memories.

Simos

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Steve
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:53:30 -, Tony Travis a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk  
wrote:

 Dianne Reuby wrote:
 Is this real?

 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

 Hello, Dianne.

 Seems like it's just a badge-engineered version of one of these:

http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm

I thought I’d seen it before.  Looks like a nice idea for those that don’t  
want  a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd keyboard  
layout of a laptop.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Dianne Reuby
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 17:54 +0200, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 The market they are looking into is those who want to revive their old
 C64 memories.
 

Don't think they'll succeed - my reaction was It's a different case, a
different chip, a different OS, what a cheek! Mind you I was offended
when they brought out a C64 in an Amiga case. :)

Dianne


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Tony Travis a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk wrote:
 Dianne Reuby wrote:
 Is this real?

 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

 Hello, Dianne.

 Seems like it's just a badge-engineered version of one of these:

   http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/zpc-gx31.cfm

 Bye,

   Tony.

Oh, well spotted! I thought I'd seen them somewhere before. That was it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote:
 This looks like a very nice computer, but we have to wait until 1st June
 2010 to see pricing or to be able to order.

It isn't, really, you know. The Core2 Duo is quite an old machine now.
The Core i3 is rather more modern, significantly faster  has an
integrated GPU. This Commodore machine has a somewhat outdated chip,
a poor Intel GPU and limited RAM expansion - in fact, limited anything
expansion.

 I would think it is real, there is no reason why such hardware should
 not exist. And great as well that the default OS is Ubuntu, if you want
 Windows, you pay extra. All computers should be sold this way, with a
 few other choices of Linux for no extra cost and Windows at various
 prices, so that a person could have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, or Kubuntu, etc.

 If I was looking for a neat small PC that requires little space, this is
 a real serious alternative to having a laptop in the home that would
 otherwise never be taken out anywhere.

Actually, yes, I agree with all of that!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Simos Xenitellis
simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Is this real?

 http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html

 A revamped C64 running Win7 or Ubuntu.

 Think of it as a modern computer in the C64 form factor (shape).

 Does this form factor have any technical advantages over modern desktops?
 I cannot think of any technical advantages.

No, but several disadvantages. There's next to no expansion. There is
a PCI slot in there but you can't use it as there's no room. It
doesn't boast faster external buses such as eSATA, USB3, Firewire or
Firewire 800. A CardBus slot would have been more use than that PCI or
mini-PCIe one.

You are stuck with the built-in keyboard. Bizarrely, it has keyboard 
mouse ports - which along with the PCI slot show that this is not a
purpose-designed motherboard, just a mini-ITX one in a novel case. If
you spill liquid into the keyboard or something  it shorts out,
you're stuffed, even an external one won't help.

And the notion of an external keyboard  mouse plugged into a PC that
is essentially a keyboard  mouse is rather bizarre, to my thinking.

 It mentions a Core Duo CPU (instead of Atom), which means it's rather heavy 
 duty
 instead of an eco friendly computer.

Well, not really, no. The Core2 Duo is a laptop chip as well, it's not
power-hungry. Meanwhile the Atom is a deeply crippled chip, massively
less powerful than even the crappy crippled low-end Intel offerings
such as the Celeron and Pentium Dual Core. Atoms run something like
one-quarter to one-sixth of the CPU horsepower of a Core2 Duo of the
same speed. The Atom was made for netbooks - I don't think they're a
good idea for any desktop device.

But the Core2 is rather past it now. A Core i3 or Core i5 would have
made more sense if they want to claim half-decent CPU power.

Not that I would want to recommend Dell, normally, but if you want a
small neat quiet computer, something like this - a Dell Zinio - makes
more sense to me:
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspiron-zino-hd?c=ukl=ens=dhscs=ukdhs1


 The market they are looking into is those who want to revive their old
 C64 memories.

Absolutely.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread David King
I am not really up to date with the latest Intel CPUs, especially given 
their confusing names these days. (e.g. a Core 2 has only 1 core, not 2, 
but a Core 2 Duo has 2 cores, and not 4. And how many cores does an i3, 
i5 or i7 have?) AMD on the other hand, use logical names for their CPUs.

But still it is a nice shape, and a barebones version is or will be 
available. I suppose a lot depends on the pricing.


David King



Liam Proven wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM, David King linux...@avoura.com wrote:
   
 This looks like a very nice computer, but we have to wait until 1st June
 2010 to see pricing or to be able to order.
 

 It isn't, really, you know. The Core2 Duo is quite an old machine now.
 The Core i3 is rather more modern, significantly faster  has an
 integrated GPU. This Commodore machine has a somewhat outdated chip,
 a poor Intel GPU and limited RAM expansion - in fact, limited anything
 expansion.

   
 I would think it is real, there is no reason why such hardware should
 not exist. And great as well that the default OS is Ubuntu, if you want
 Windows, you pay extra. All computers should be sold this way, with a
 few other choices of Linux for no extra cost and Windows at various
 prices, so that a person could have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, or Kubuntu, etc.

 If I was looking for a neat small PC that requires little space, this is
 a real serious alternative to having a laptop in the home that would
 otherwise never be taken out anywhere.
 

 Actually, yes, I agree with all of that!

   

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ANNOUNCEMENT - Ubuntu Manchester Global Jam: 27-28th March

2010-03-19 Thread Les
Hi Gordon

Quick question, will we be testing on Beta 1 of Lucid, so that we have a
harmonised platform?

Thanks
Les



On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 09:22 +, Gordon Allott wrote:
 Ubuntu Global Jam, Manchester
 Location: MadLab - in the Norther Quarter (36 Edge Street) -
 http://www.madlab.org.uk
 Dates: 27 - 28th March, 2010. 10-4pm
 Description: An informal meet up of people working together to make
 Ubuntu 10.04 the best release yet!
 
 The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the worldwide
 Ubuntu community to
 work together during the weekend of 26th – 28th March 2010 to improve
 Ubuntu.
 
 What is a Jam?
 The Ubuntu Global Jam evolved out of the concept of Bug Jams, People
 would come together to sit down in the same room to fix, find and
 triage bugs. However bugs are just one facet of the challenges involved
 in producing an operating system that strives for high quality such as
 Ubuntu. Thus it was expanded to cover many topics and activities,
 forming the Ubuntu Global Jam.
 
 We will be providing training on how to use launchpad (the
 development system that powers Ubuntu and its community), how to
 find and report bugs, and give help and guidance on anything else
 you might have problems with on the day. You don't need to have a
 technical background, *anyone* who's used Ubuntu can contribute.
 
 The main themes that people get involved with at Jams are:
 
 * Bugs – finding, triaging and fixing bugs.
 * Testing – testing the new release and reporting your feedback.
 * Upgrade – upgrading to Lucid from Hardy or Karmic and reporting your
 upgrade experience.
 * Documentation – writing documentation about how to use Ubuntu and how
 to
 join the community.
 * Translations – translating Ubuntu and helping to make it available in
  everyone’s local language (including UK English!).
 * Packaging – work on Ubuntu packages and improve them.
 * Other – other types of contribution such as marketing and advocacy
 etc.
 
 See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam for more info
 
 What you need to bring:
 * A computer of some kind that can access the internet via Ethernet or
  wifi, you can even bring your desktop if you need to.
 * A mug for tea!(for cups of tea)
 * A Smile and the will to make Lucid Lynx the best Ubuntu version yet :)
 



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote support using VNC over SSH (via another SSH server)

2010-03-19 Thread Rob Beard
Jon Spriggs wrote:
 Create a file (one on each end) called ~/.ssh/config as follows

 # Remote machine
 Host support
 HostName central.server.address
 IdentityFile ~/.ssh/private_key
 User username
 RemoteForward 12345 localhost:5900

 # Your machine
 Host support
 HostName central.server.address
 IdentityFile ~/.ssh/private_key
 User username
 LocalForward 5901 localhost:12345

 The icon on her machine should perform ssh support. You can ssh
 support as well. You would then VNC to localhost:5901.

 This is mostly from memory, although I've checked a couple of my
 config files - and I'm not using remoteforward anywhere, so the syntax
 may be *slightly* wrong. If it's not right, swap the port numbers.
 Also, if it's a shared box, don't use port 12345, as someone else
 might be using it.

 Just as a word of warning, I've found some issues when using desktop
 effects with the built-in VNC server, so unless you need them to sell
 the OS, turn them off.
   
Hi Jon,

Thanks for that, it worked a treat!

I'll have to tweak it slightly to allow for non-standard ports, but 
initial tests look good, with compression it's actually quite quick too 
(using mobile broadband on my laptop and my mum's laptop on my wireless).

Looks like it'll save me having to pop over when things go wrong (at 
least if the machine boots okay and their internet isn't down).

Ta,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ANNOUNCEMENT - Ubuntu Manchester Global Jam: 27-28th March

2010-03-19 Thread Lucy
Hi Les

I really think it depends what people decide to do. Working on
documentation, the wiki or triaging some bugs is unlikely to require
Lucid. Whereas, testing upgrades for example would.

I'm going to try to put Lucid Beta 1 on my netbook before the Jam, but
I intend to have a usb stick or two to hand for others to install on
the day. Might be worth other people bringing CDs/USB sticks too, if
possible.

On 19 March 2010 18:52, Les lespoun...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Gordon

 Quick question, will we be testing on Beta 1 of Lucid, so that we have a
 harmonised platform?

 Thanks
 Les



 On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 09:22 +, Gordon Allott wrote:
 Ubuntu Global Jam, Manchester
 Location: MadLab - in the Norther Quarter (36 Edge Street) -
 http://www.madlab.org.uk
 Dates: 27 - 28th March, 2010. 10-4pm
 Description: An informal meet up of people working together to make
 Ubuntu 10.04 the best release yet!

 The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the worldwide
 Ubuntu community to
 work together during the weekend of 26th – 28th March 2010 to improve
 Ubuntu.

 What is a Jam?
 The Ubuntu Global Jam evolved out of the concept of Bug Jams, People
 would come together to sit down in the same room to fix, find and
 triage bugs. However bugs are just one facet of the challenges involved
 in producing an operating system that strives for high quality such as
 Ubuntu. Thus it was expanded to cover many topics and activities,
 forming the Ubuntu Global Jam.

 We will be providing training on how to use launchpad (the
 development system that powers Ubuntu and its community), how to
 find and report bugs, and give help and guidance on anything else
 you might have problems with on the day. You don't need to have a
 technical background, *anyone* who's used Ubuntu can contribute.

 The main themes that people get involved with at Jams are:

 * Bugs – finding, triaging and fixing bugs.
 * Testing – testing the new release and reporting your feedback.
 * Upgrade – upgrading to Lucid from Hardy or Karmic and reporting your
 upgrade experience.
 * Documentation – writing documentation about how to use Ubuntu and how
 to
 join the community.
 * Translations – translating Ubuntu and helping to make it available in
  everyone’s local language (including UK English!).
 * Packaging – work on Ubuntu packages and improve them.
 * Other – other types of contribution such as marketing and advocacy
 etc.

 See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam for more info

 What you need to bring:
 * A computer of some kind that can access the internet via Ethernet or
  wifi, you can even bring your desktop if you need to.
 * A mug for tea!(for cups of tea)
 * A Smile and the will to make Lucid Lynx the best Ubuntu version yet :)




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Dianne Reuby
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 16:20 +, Steve wrote:
 I thought I’d seen it before.  Looks like a nice idea for those that
 don’t  want  a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd
 keyboard  layout of a laptop. 

But why pretend it's a C64? That's like BMW pretending they build
Minis. :)

Dianne


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C64 running Ubuntu?

2010-03-19 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 16:20 +, Steve wrote:
 I thought I’d seen it before.  Looks like a nice idea for those that
 don’t  want  a big box but dislike the dinky little screens and odd
 keyboard  layout of a laptop.

 But why pretend it's a C64? That's like BMW pretending they build
 Minis. :)

I'd rather a C21 Amiga, myself - but they went PowerPC, meaning they
are in an even smaller niche today than they used to be.

If only Transmeta were still going. It would have been possible, with
the right CodeMorphing firmware, for a Transmeta machine to run
PowerPC or MC68060 code... Or maybe even both. Such a shame they
died... :¬(

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