Re: [ubuntu-uk] Init Script fun
On 29/06/10 20:20, Alan Lord (News) wrote: > On 29/06/10 20:08, Rob Beard wrote: >> Now running one of these streams is fine, it starts fine and goes into >> the background. If I run a second stream (basically start the next >> init.d script) it will start to run the script but then come up with an >> error about it already running. > > PIDs. > > The start-stop-daemon should create a pid file so that it knows which > app to kill. These are usually stored in /var/run/ > > I'm guessing that you will need to create different PIDs for each > instance that you are trying to run. Try > > # man start-stop-daemon > > and take a look at the options. > > HTH > > Al > > Thanks Al, I managed to get it working. I had to add the --user and then the username the process was running under to stop it. Basically it now starts the process as root, then changes to a different user. All seems to be working now when I try and start the init script from root from the shell, so it's getting there. Now I have to figure out why it won't start at boot (when entering runlevel 2). I've linked the init.d scripts into files S20icecast-stream1...2... and so on and even added them to /etc/rc.local but they're not starting at boot. Not to worry, I'm making progress. I'm going to call it a night now and look at it tomorrow after sleeping on it. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
@Alan: Exactly my thought! It's a shame that if there are any, that they weren't released (or at least not without public knowledge). I suppose contacting Universities would be a futile attempt ;) (saying that if I thought it would bring results I would do it!) If anything can be found I would be willing to maintain it. On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 22:29 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > Roy Jamison wrote: > > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > > rather than nothing? > > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > > do better!! > > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > > > > > > IBM did once release a speech recognition product for Linux but they > failed to maintain it and withdrew it after a while. Text to speech is a > little better. The accessibility team > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility is a good starting point to find > out information on this subject. There are basically two approaches, > command recognition where the application is listening for a small > vocabulary or recorded phrases and it triggers something in response to > the command (like "call mum" to initiate a phone call). The second type > of speech recognition application is *hard* and that is natural speech > dictation. Whilst this is a very very hard problem I wouldn't be > surprised if there were a dozen or so reasonably decent implementations > done as a dissertation by various people and then abandoned once they > got their degree. > > Alan. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Optional headless server...
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:19:24 +0100 From: John Stevenson Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Optional headless server... To: UK Ubuntu Talk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 28 June 2010 22:12, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: > > As long as the card is on the bus, it is powered. The card itself may have > > a > > specific power-save mode, but I very much doubt it. > > > > The power consumed by the monitor is another story, but you know how to > > turn > > that off. > > > > If you want a way to save power and periodically run commands and fetch > > stuff, > > just buy a low-power PC. My Intel Atom-powered box consumes 26 W in normal > > operation, so I never turn it off. > > > > Regards, > > Tyler > > > If you like the idea of a low powered pc, the Acer Aspire revo are very nice:http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200537 I have 4 all running Lucid and I didn't have to pay the window tax. -- John Stevenson Lean Agile Consultant / Coach jr0cket.com | leanagilemachine.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20100628/f3d71a2a/attachment-0001.htm Tyler, John and Bruno, many thanks for the explanations and advice. It's only a temporary arrangement for another few months, so I'll probably stick as I am at the moment, particular as everything works! Regards, Tim -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
Actually in its defense, I have found Dragon NS to be quite surprisingly accurate after 10-15 minutes of training, so I don't think the perfect model is too far away, at least for closed-source payware. Open-source I'm not too sure but there's always a negative spin every time this subject pops up. I feel sad for the thousands of "accessibility needing" end users who would rely on this technology to get through with using PCs, and because of this slow(?) progression can't turn to Ubuntu/linux just yet. On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 22:18 +0100, Steve wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:08:45 +0100, Roy Jamison > wrote: > > > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > > rather than nothing? > > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > > do better!! > > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > > > > I think any attempt at a speech recognition system is an exercise in > futility. I’ve never come across one that is anywhere near working and > given that humans have enough problems understanding each other at times, > I seriously a computer will ever manage. > > -- > Steve (Yorvyk) > http://lubuntu.net > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
Roy Jamison wrote: > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > rather than nothing? > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > do better!! > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > > IBM did once release a speech recognition product for Linux but they failed to maintain it and withdrew it after a while. Text to speech is a little better. The accessibility team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility is a good starting point to find out information on this subject. There are basically two approaches, command recognition where the application is listening for a small vocabulary or recorded phrases and it triggers something in response to the command (like "call mum" to initiate a phone call). The second type of speech recognition application is *hard* and that is natural speech dictation. Whilst this is a very very hard problem I wouldn't be surprised if there were a dozen or so reasonably decent implementations done as a dissertation by various people and then abandoned once they got their degree. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:08:45 +0100, Roy Jamison wrote: > Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for > quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be > anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. > I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and > julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? > It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to > accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, > albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* > rather than nothing? > Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily > do better!! > Would like to hear peeps comments on this! > > I think any attempt at a speech recognition system is an exercise in futility. I’ve never come across one that is anywhere near working and given that humans have enough problems understanding each other at times, I seriously a computer will ever manage. -- Steve (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Speech Recognition
Hi all. Have been looking at the Ubuntu wiki and googled around for quite a while trying to find an answer but there doesn't appear to be anything concrete for linux regarding speech recognition programs. I mean, there are developer-only orientated things like sphinx and julius in our repos, but is there anything REALLY being worked on? It'd be a real shame if we had to use Windows payware products to accomplish something that we could probably build on at this stage, albeit average quality, but wouldn't it be better to have *something* rather than nothing? Anyway, the Vista/Win7 recognition is really craptastic, we could esaily do better!! Would like to hear peeps comments on this! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Init Script fun
On 29/06/10 20:08, Rob Beard wrote: > Now running one of these streams is fine, it starts fine and goes into > the background. If I run a second stream (basically start the next > init.d script) it will start to run the script but then come up with an > error about it already running. PIDs. The start-stop-daemon should create a pid file so that it knows which app to kill. These are usually stored in /var/run/ I'm guessing that you will need to create different PIDs for each instance that you are trying to run. Try # man start-stop-daemon and take a look at the options. HTH Al -- The Open Learning Centre http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Init Script fun
Hi folks, Further to my post a couple of days ago about Shoutcast and streaming radio, I've decided to bite the bullet and go for Icecast, mainly because it appears to be better supported on Ubuntu 64-bit. Now I've got Icecast running, I can run multiple Icecast sessions (there's about 6 in total) from the command line without any problems, my problem occurs when I try and run them from init.d Basically what I have done is made copies of the icecast2 files in /etc/init.d and /etc/default. There are now 6 copies of the files with slight changes for each individual stream it's supposed to be running. I've also created individual users and groups for the different streams, so they're not all running as root. As part of the configuration, I've setup Icecast to run under the separate users in chroot jails. Now running one of these streams is fine, it starts fine and goes into the background. If I run a second stream (basically start the next init.d script) it will start to run the script but then come up with an error about it already running. I've tried making copies of the icecast2 binary so each stream has it's own binary (copied, not linked, each binary is identical). Now I'm a bit stuck. I can only assume that somehow start-stop-daemon is detecting that icecast2 is running (despite the fact that each icecast binary runs with a different process name). I did wonder if it creates some sort of pid file (I did a quick search but couldn't find anything in /var/run). A copy of the modified /etc/init.d/icecast2 can be found here: http://pastebin.com/z5WQxi34 ...and the modified /etc/defaults/icecast2 file can be found here: http://pastebin.com/WkgvwH6b As mentioned above, basically I made slight changes to these files for the individual streams. Anyway, if anyone could shed any light on it that would be great. I have a feeling it's related to start-stop-daemon but I could be completely wrong. My experience of init.d files is limited at best. :-) Ta, Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 10.04 Wireless Toshiba Portege PP041E
> Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:49:09 +0100 > From: da...@boavon.plus.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] 10.04 Wireless Toshiba Portege PP041E > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <1eb6b7d3bbe753c5f550abd7e9a619c8.squir...@webmail.plus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:28:07 +0100 >> From: John Stevenson >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] 10.04 Wireless Toshiba Portege PP041E >> To: UK Ubuntu Talk >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> On 28 June 2010 20:20, wrote: >> >>> Completed fresh 10.04 install on this little laptop, after some >>> months(years?) successful running of 8.04. Managed to overcome the >>> display problem with a little edit of xorg.conf but cannot get wireless >>> running. >>> >>> It worked fine on 8.04 and still manages ok on on the XP partition. I >>> have a very vague memory that I had to overcome display probs and >>> wireless >>> probs on 8.04 >>> >> >> Hello Dave, >> The first thing you can check is System > Administration > Hardware >> Drivers >> >> With luck it should have picked up your wireless hardware and it will >> allow >> you to activate the 3rd party driver that will make it work. Please >> note >> that you will probably need to be connected to an Internet enabled >> network, >> so lets hope you have a wired connection spare. >> >> If there is nothing in the Hardware Drivers, then try issue the >> following >> command in a terminal window, it should tell you what your wireless >> hardware >> is >> >> lspci >> >> Try a google for: Ubuntu > lspci output> >> >> Or post the output of lspci to the list if you dont get anywhere. >> >> Good luck. >> -- >> John Stevenson >> Lean Agile Consultant / Coach >> jr0cket.com | leanagilemachine.com >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20100628/2bcf60cc/attachment-0001.htm > > > Many thanks for your help. Checking System > Administration > Hardware >> Drivers only revealed a software modem that was not activated so have > ignored that. > lspci output as follows:- > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation M1644/M1644T Northbridge+Trident (rev > 01) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation PCI to AGP Controller > 00:02.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) > 00:04.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c3) > 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link > Controller Audio Device (rev 01) > 00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533/M1535/M1543 PCI to ISA Bridge > [Aladdin IV/V/V+] > 00:08.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management Controller [PMU] > 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro > 100 (rev 0d) > 00:0c.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A > IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) > 00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus > Controller (rev 01) > 00:11.0 CardBus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC100 PCI to > Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support (rev 32) > 00:11.1 CardBus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC100 PCI to > Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support (rev 32) > 00:12.0 System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller > (rev 03) > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XPAi1 > (rev 82) > > The google search results look more promising than earlier - but will need > to wait until I have finished some paid employment! Many thanks - will > come back if I need more help or simply to report solved - hopefully! > DaveG Not having much luck so far - but some sites suggest some other outputs might help diagnosing the problem. Here is output from ifconfig -a Ignore the wlan0 entry - that refers to a USB wireless stick I had knocking around - but needed elsewhere. I think its the eth1 I need to work. The MAC address certainly matches the router and my expectations. eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:39:3f:46:a5 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:2d:6a:a2:d1 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x100 irda0 Link encap:IrLAP HWaddr 00:00:00:00 NOARP MTU:2048 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:8 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
>> > Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy
>> > The IT
>> > Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
>> I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
>> female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
>> suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
>> >>> first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
>> >>> Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
>> >>> years.
>> >>
>> >> There was also Bernadette who dated Howard for a while. Not sure how
>> >> many episodes she's been in though.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, does anyone know any real people like Sheldon?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes
>>
>> Wow! Surely not exactly like Sheldon? I can see bits of him in various
>> people I know but no-one who has all his strange quirks.
>
> Not the same quirks, but lots of them and similar in some manners. There
> really are _all_ kinds of people in the world.
>
> Also, I was on a Physics degree for 4 years, so you meet lots of people
> like that.
>
> -Matt Daubney
>
Try this IT Crowd fans:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-it-crowd/articles/the-it-crowd-game
It's scarily true to life lol One part goes something like... "I
don't know what friendfeed is but I don't like the sound of it block
it." followed a couple of minutes later by "friendfeed is a great
idea, make sure everyone has access to it"
Chris
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:41 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> Matt,
>
> On 29/06/10 12:53, Matthew Daubney wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 11:53 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> >>
> >> On 29/06/10 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
> > Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The
> > IT
> > Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
> I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
> female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
> suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
> >>>
> >>> That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
> >>> first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
> >>> Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
> >>> years.
> >>
> >> There was also Bernadette who dated Howard for a while. Not sure how
> >> many episodes she's been in though.
> >>
> >> BTW, does anyone know any real people like Sheldon?
> >>
> >
> > Yes
>
> Wow! Surely not exactly like Sheldon? I can see bits of him in various
> people I know but no-one who has all his strange quirks.
Not the same quirks, but lots of them and similar in some manners. There
really are _all_ kinds of people in the world.
Also, I was on a Physics degree for 4 years, so you meet lots of people
like that.
-Matt Daubney
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
Matt,
On 29/06/10 12:53, Matthew Daubney wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 11:53 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>>
>> On 29/06/10 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
>>>
>>> That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
>>> first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
>>> Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
>>> years.
>>
>> There was also Bernadette who dated Howard for a while. Not sure how
>> many episodes she's been in though.
>>
>> BTW, does anyone know any real people like Sheldon?
>>
>
> Yes
Wow! Surely not exactly like Sheldon? I can see bits of him in various
people I know but no-one who has all his strange quirks.
Regards,
Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On 29 June 2010 11:29, Alan Pope wrote: > On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote: >> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT >> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly? >> > > I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one > female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I > suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show. I felt like that initially too. However, I keep going back to the BBT because any sexism it has is a reflection of our society and its accuracy in this and with its characters makes it compelling (and hilarious) viewing. I can recognise elements of each character in so many geeks I've met and find myself relating to it more than is healthy. That said, I do wish there were more geeky women in the series, but perhaps we need to get them in real life first. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
Me too!
On 29/06/10 12:53, Matthew Daubney wrote:
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 11:53 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
On 29/06/10 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
years.
There was also Bernadette who dated Howard for a while. Not sure how
many episodes she's been in though.
BTW, does anyone know any real people like Sheldon?
Yes
-Daubers
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 11:53 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>
> On 29/06/10 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
> >> On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
> >>> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
> >>> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
> >> I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
> >> female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
> >> suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
> >
> > That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
> > first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
> > Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
> > years.
>
> There was also Bernadette who dated Howard for a while. Not sure how
> many episodes she's been in though.
>
> BTW, does anyone know any real people like Sheldon?
>
Yes
-Daubers
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On 29/06/10 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
>> On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
>>> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
>>> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
>> I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
>> female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
>> suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
>
> That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
> first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
> Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
> years.
There was also Bernadette who dated Howard for a while. Not sure how
many episodes she's been in though.
BTW, does anyone know any real people like Sheldon?
Regards,
Tony.
>
> --
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
I thought Leslie Winklier was great. There's also Raj's childhood friend
who prefers Sheldon. Not to mention Leonard's mother who has me in
stitches.
Penny sort of represents Middle America rather than any idiocy
specifically of womankind, I thought. She had to be a woman, the geeks
obviously wouldn't bother to interact with a 'corn-fed' bloke now would
they?
In the last series she was wailing that Leonard had spoiled her for
going out with dumb men because she now knew perfectly well they
couldn't blow up the moon by bouncing a laser off a reflector.
Nah, The Big Bang theory is innocent, guv! Penny is treated pretty
respectfully and thoroughly counterbalanced by the geekiest and most
independent women I've every seen on TV. The (affectionate) joke is on
the geeky boys.
Paula
On 29/06/10 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
years.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On 29 June 2010 11:32, Steve Garton wrote: > I would argue that Jen (in ITC) was portrayed as ditzy & clueless too > (remember the episode where she won Employee of the Month?) > I don't think she likes the IT Crowd either, for much the same reason. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On 29 June 2010 11:35, Jon Spriggs wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
>> On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
>>> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
>>> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
>> I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
>> female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
>> suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
>
> That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
> first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
> Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
> years.
>
Indeed. Observe where I said "female _lead_ character" :D
Cheers,
Al.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote:
>> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT
>> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly?
> I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one
> female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I
> suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show.
That's not strictly true - there was the other girl ("Leslie") in the
first series who dated Leonard and hated Sheldon (played by Sara
Gilbert)... but to be fair, she's only been in 8 episodes over 3
years.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
An excellent point - which I probably should've noticed ;) Paula On 29/06/10 11:32, Steve Garton wrote: On 29/06/10 11:29, Alan Pope wrote: On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote: Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly? I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show. Cheers, Al. I would argue that Jen (in ITC) was portrayed as ditzy& clueless too (remember the episode where she won Employee of the Month?) Steve Garton blog.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On 29/06/10 11:29, Alan Pope wrote: > On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote: >> Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT >> Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly? >> > > I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one > female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I > suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show. > > Cheers, > Al. > I would argue that Jen (in ITC) was portrayed as ditzy & clueless too (remember the episode where she won Employee of the Month?) Steve Garton blog.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
On 29 June 2010 11:22, pmgazz wrote: > Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT > Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly? > I have a female friend who doesn't appreciate BBT having only one female lead character who is portrayed as ditzy and clueless. I suspect that marrs her enjoyment of the show. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] The IT Crowd
Well, it's not nearly as good as The Big Bang Theory but I do enjoy The IT Crowd. Bit silly but when was a Brit sitcom not silly? Paula On 28/06/10 23:48, Steve Flynn wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:26 PM, javadayaz wrote: I agree. The it crowd is really quite good Like I said, thank christ opinions differ. Wouldn't have Linux if it were not so. I find The IT crowd dire, even after several pints of Guinness, a kernel dump and an S18-04 abend from a colleagues poorly promoted code. Black Book was witty intelligent, and well written. The IT crowd isn't. So long as other enjoy it, great... but for me I'd *really* would rather start sanding walls down and listen to some R4 than endure 5 minutes of the dross pumped out under the guise of entertainment. 3 cheers for diversity, eh! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
