Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[javadayaz]

HA Urdu! Hey i can follow the Urdu instructions...although not a great fan
of the font!

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rob Beard  wrote:

> On 19/10/10 21:29, Barry Drake wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote:
> >> Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the
> >> time.
> >
> > That's my experience exactly!  I've installed various incarnations of
> > Windows and it's been a real pain!  Compared to that, Ubuntu is just
> > S simple.
> >
> > My biggest annoyance with Windows was it's propensity to give you a two
> > minute countdown and then it will re-boot to install the latest goodies.
> > I often left videos rendering overnight  imagine my anger when that
> > nice Mr. Gates had made my machine re-boot without my intervention!!!
> > He wasted hours of my computer time!!!
>
> Hmmm, I've not had that myself, on XP it would pop up with the annoying
> message asking to reboot every 15 minutes or so but on Vista and Windows
> 7 you get the option to postpone the reboot and make the message go away
> for a few hours.  If you don't click on anything it just sits there.
>
> On the other hand, at work we use XP and install stuff using SMS and
> some things are configured to reboot automatically 5 minutes after
> installing.
>
> >
> > I don't have anything against Windows, but I really find Ubuntu slicker
> > and easier in so many ways   even for a non-geek.
>
> I agree, I much prefer Ubuntu now.  10.10 looks lovely, and now I'm
> finally getting used to the window controls moving (so much in fact it
> seems like they're in the wrong place on Windows now!).
>
> Oh and Ubuntu has earnt some more brownie points this evening.  It turns
> out my server (P4 3Ghz with 2 x IDE and 2 x SATA hard drives in it)
> died.  Not sure whats wrong with it, possibly duff PSU.  I needed to get
> it up and running quickly so I dropped the hard drives in an Athlon X2
> PC booted them up and after a long drawn out fsck (due to fsck not being
> run for ages) the server came up fine.
>
> I've not had it that easy with Windows.
>
> Rob
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??

[Alan Bell]

  On 20/10/10 00:07, Chris Coulson wrote:
>
> Well, the LTS *will* get a new version of Firefox in the future (once
> 3.6 is end-of-life), although it will most likely skip 4.0.
>
> Regards
> Chris
no, don't think 10.04 LTS will get a new version of Firefox, however if 
you install 10.04 you will be able to stick with it and upgrade to 12.04 
LTS without going through the intermediate steps, and 12.04 will have 
shiny new versions of stuff when it comes out.

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[ubuntu-uk] Devon & Cornwall LUG meeting in Exeter

[Rob Beard]

Hi folks,

I figured I'd post this in case anyone lives near (or in) Exeter.

The Devon & Cornwall Linux User Group are having a meeting (well it's 
more of a get together to chat about FLOSS, drink lots of tea/coffee and 
maybe play with the LTSP kit) on Saturday 23rd October 2010 from 2pm to 
6pm at the Exwick Community Centre in Exeter.

The community centre itself is on Kinnerton Way in Exwick, Exeter, it's 
about a 2 or 3 minute drive from the Exeter St Davids railway station or 
probably around a 10 minute walk.

You can find it on Google Maps here:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=ex4+2pr

Feel free to pop along if you're in Exeter or fancy coming down to 
Exeter, everyone is welcome.

If anyone does want to go along and wants more details, feel free to 
drop me an e-mail off list.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[Rob Beard]

On 19/10/10 21:29, Barry Drake wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote:
>> Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the
>> time.
>
> That's my experience exactly!  I've installed various incarnations of
> Windows and it's been a real pain!  Compared to that, Ubuntu is just
> S simple.
>
> My biggest annoyance with Windows was it's propensity to give you a two
> minute countdown and then it will re-boot to install the latest goodies.
> I often left videos rendering overnight  imagine my anger when that
> nice Mr. Gates had made my machine re-boot without my intervention!!!
> He wasted hours of my computer time!!!

Hmmm, I've not had that myself, on XP it would pop up with the annoying 
message asking to reboot every 15 minutes or so but on Vista and Windows 
7 you get the option to postpone the reboot and make the message go away 
for a few hours.  If you don't click on anything it just sits there.

On the other hand, at work we use XP and install stuff using SMS and 
some things are configured to reboot automatically 5 minutes after 
installing.

>
> I don't have anything against Windows, but I really find Ubuntu slicker
> and easier in so many ways   even for a non-geek.

I agree, I much prefer Ubuntu now.  10.10 looks lovely, and now I'm 
finally getting used to the window controls moving (so much in fact it 
seems like they're in the wrong place on Windows now!).

Oh and Ubuntu has earnt some more brownie points this evening.  It turns 
out my server (P4 3Ghz with 2 x IDE and 2 x SATA hard drives in it) 
died.  Not sure whats wrong with it, possibly duff PSU.  I needed to get 
it up and running quickly so I dropped the hard drives in an Athlon X2 
PC booted them up and after a long drawn out fsck (due to fsck not being 
run for ages) the server came up fine.

I've not had it that easy with Windows.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??

[Chris Coulson]

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 23:58 +0100, Matthew Wild wrote:
> On 19 October 2010 23:32, Tony Doherty  wrote:
> > I am always keen to update to the latest releases of Ubuntu.
> >
> > However, can I ask - if I were to stick with a LTS version such as 10.4 
> > long term - would this version eventually receive updates to upgrade to the 
> > latest versions of, say, FireFox and OpenOffice when they become available?
> >
> 
> Generally no. The software versions stay as they are when that version
> of Ubuntu was released. The only updates are to fix bugs. Sometimes
> this means updating to a new bugfix release of given software,
> sometimes it means Ubuntu manually applying bugfixes in their
> packages.

Well, the LTS *will* get a new version of Firefox in the future (once
3.6 is end-of-life), although it will most likely skip 4.0.

Regards
Chris


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??

[Matthew Wild]

On 19 October 2010 23:32, Tony Doherty  wrote:
> I am always keen to update to the latest releases of Ubuntu.
>
> However, can I ask - if I were to stick with a LTS version such as 10.4 long 
> term - would this version eventually receive updates to upgrade to the latest 
> versions of, say, FireFox and OpenOffice when they become available?
>

Generally no. The software versions stay as they are when that version
of Ubuntu was released. The only updates are to fix bugs. Sometimes
this means updating to a new bugfix release of given software,
sometimes it means Ubuntu manually applying bugfixes in their
packages.

It's aimed a little more at developers and packagers than end users,
but this page explains a bit behind it:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??

[Daniel Case]

With the LTS versions they have "mini" updates. So eventually it goes to:
10.04.1, then 10.04.2...with these will come the stable builds of new
software :)

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[ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??

[Tony Doherty]

I am always keen to update to the latest releases of Ubuntu.

However, can I ask - if I were to stick with a LTS version such as 10.4 long 
term - would this version eventually receive updates to upgrade to the latest 
versions of, say, FireFox and OpenOffice when they become available?

Or, are the LTS version releases synchronised to match new releases of the 
above software?

In short - for a relative newbie like me (1 year's experience!!) - what is the 
policy behind Ubuntu releases?


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[ubuntu-uk] Minutes of ubuntu-uk loco meeting

[Dan Fish]

All,

Please find the minutes of the loco meeting held on 19th October at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting

Regards
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[Barry Drake]

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote:
> Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the
> time. 

That's my experience exactly!  I've installed various incarnations of
Windows and it's been a real pain!  Compared to that, Ubuntu is just
S simple.

My biggest annoyance with Windows was it's propensity to give you a two
minute countdown and then it will re-boot to install the latest goodies.
I often left videos rendering overnight  imagine my anger when that
nice Mr. Gates had made my machine re-boot without my intervention!!!
He wasted hours of my computer time!!!

I don't have anything against Windows, but I really find Ubuntu slicker
and easier in so many ways   even for a non-geek.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on motherboard upgrade ...

[Barry Drake]

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 13:55 +0100, Adam Bagnall wrote:

> Looking at the spec I think the parallel and com ports are in the form
> of pins on the board. There's no parallel or com port in the picture
> and they're listed under the "Internal I/O Connectors" section.

I've downloaded the full manual.  I can live with the above.  I'm going
to keep reading the manual (and maybe drooling a bit .) then make a
decision in a day or two.  Wow  it's just an amazing spec

Thanks to all of you guys.

Regards,Barry Drake.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Vince Marsters]

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 16:54 +0100, Cornelius Mostert wrote:
> Hi
> The scenario is as follow:
> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
> 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
> 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you
> can NOT reset it
> 4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys,
> etc. So not an enterprise router
> 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some
> changes (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT
> you do NOT know the IP address
> 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server

An assumption but since the router is a soho based one it is likely to
be the only exit point from the LAN so I would look at one of the
clients for the default route/gateway. In my experience most soho
installations do not use separate firewalls etc and just connect
(possibly via a switch/hub) to the gateway router.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Shaun ONeil]

On 19 Oct 2010, at 16:54, Cornelius Mostert  wrote:

> Hi
> The scenario is as follow:
> 
> 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can NOT 
> reset it
> 
> 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes (you 
> assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do NOT know the 
> IP address

Something to consider here, is in a sensible/default configuration, the admin 
port is unlikely to be exposed to the WAN side of the router. You'll most 
likely have to join the LAN side. 

>From this side, it's going to be much easier to find. Sniff traffic if there's 
>other wired clients, or just go poking at .1 in the common segments.For 
>sniffing, google which prefix the manufacturer uses for mac addresses, and 
>watch the wire for it. 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Steve Fisher]

On 19 October 2010 18:18, Hakan Koseoglu  wrote:

> On 19/10/10 16:54, Cornelius Mostert wrote:
> > The scenario is as follow:
> > 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
> > 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
> > 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can
> > NOT reset it
> > 4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, etc.
> > So not an enterprise router
> > 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes
> > (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do
> > NOT know the IP address
> > 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server
> >
> > Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???
>
> If it is the router providing the access outside, netstat -nr will show
> you the route, hence the IP address of the router.
> If you know which servers/clients are using it as a gateway, run those
> commands from there.
>
> But what then, what will knowing the IP address provide to you, I'm not
> sure.
>
> If the previous admin has walked away with all of the information, I'd
> treat that router as compromised and take it off the net ASAP and
> replace it with a known configuration - damn the users, just let them
> know about the outage.
>
> Nmap will attempt to show you any IP addresses on the network with a
> reasonable distinction of if the device is Netgear, Cisco etc.
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+1 for netstat -nr.  Also look for a factory reset button on the router, but
make sure you know the settings first!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Hakan Koseoglu]

On 19/10/10 16:54, Cornelius Mostert wrote:
> The scenario is as follow:
> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
> 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
> 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can
> NOT reset it
> 4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, etc.
> So not an enterprise router
> 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes
> (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do
> NOT know the IP address
> 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server
>
> Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???

If it is the router providing the access outside, netstat -nr will show 
you the route, hence the IP address of the router.
If you know which servers/clients are using it as a gateway, run those 
commands from there.

But what then, what will knowing the IP address provide to you, I'm not 
sure.

If the previous admin has walked away with all of the information, I'd 
treat that router as compromised and take it off the net ASAP and 
replace it with a known configuration - damn the users, just let them 
know about the outage.

Nmap will attempt to show you any IP addresses on the network with a 
reasonable distinction of if the device is Netgear, Cisco etc.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Alan Pope]

On 19 Oct 2010, at 17:21, Tim Dobson  wrote:

> On 19/10/10 17:05, Alan Pope wrote:
>> On 19 October 2010 16:54, Cornelius Mostert  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is
>>
>>> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
>>
>> All of which probably contravenes rule 1 you set out.
>
> As I read it, you appear to have misread parent.
>

You are correct, sorry.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wanted: Inverness - Support - Where are we in the real world

[alan c]

On 18/10/10 14:25, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>
> Have a look at TeamViewer - it's very very easy to use and needs nothing
> installed on their machine. There's a Linux version of it been released
> recently.
> http://www.teamviewer.com/download/index.aspx

Team viewer certainly seems a good facility, I think I will be using 
it a lot. I regret that it is proprietary (I believe) unlike gitso, 
but it is certainly more convenient
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Alan Bell]

  On 19/10/10 16:54, Cornelius Mostert wrote:
> Hi
> The scenario is as follow:
> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
> 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
> 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you 
> can NOT reset it
> 4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, 
> etc. So not an enterprise router
> 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some 
> changes (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT 
> you do NOT know the IP address
> 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server
>
> Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???
>
> thanx
use nmap to scan the subnet and report on what it finds, You will 
probably recognise the manufacturer from the list of network cards it sees.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] TC65T gsm/gprs modem

[Jacob Mansfield]

the modem uses the standard AT command set, and setserial is now installing.
I'll let you know if it works now
Jacob Mansfield
Programmer



On 19 October 2010 17:17, Simon Greenwood  wrote:

>
>
> On 19 October 2010 16:46, Jacob Mansfield  wrote:
>
>> I have just purchased a TC65T to use with my monitoring server to send out
>> text alerts. I've tried using the serial port terminal to communicate with
>> it but there is no response. I think that the PC's serial port is not
>> working correctly with Ubuntu. can anybody give me a hand to get it working
>> properly?
>>  Jacob Mansfield
>> Programmer
>>
>>
> Now, if I remember correctly, you do need to enable the serial port as it's
> not enabled by default.
>
> Ah yes, you need to install setserial using the apt tool of your choice as
> per here:
> http://ccollins.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/serial-port-jiggery-pokery/
>
> I would imagine that the modem will need a driver or at least a bit of port
> voodoo which will be hard to work out until you can see it.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Tim Dobson]

On 19/10/10 17:05, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 19 October 2010 16:54, Cornelius Mostert  
> wrote:
> 
> Is
> 
>> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
>
> All of which probably contravenes rule 1 you set out.

As I read it, you appear to have misread parent.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[pmgazz]

Try the usual suspects (192.168.1.1 / 192.168.0.1 / 192.168.1.254 etc 
etc). If that doesn't work, google the model for it's default IP and 
hope no-one changed it ;)


Paula


On 19/10/10 16:54, Cornelius Mostert wrote:

Hi
The scenario is as follow:
1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can NOT
reset it
4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, etc. So
not an enterprise router
5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes
(you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do NOT
know the IP address
6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server

Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???

thanx

   
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] TC65T gsm/gprs modem

[Simon Greenwood]

On 19 October 2010 16:46, Jacob Mansfield  wrote:

> I have just purchased a TC65T to use with my monitoring server to send out
> text alerts. I've tried using the serial port terminal to communicate with
> it but there is no response. I think that the PC's serial port is not
> working correctly with Ubuntu. can anybody give me a hand to get it working
> properly?
> Jacob Mansfield
> Programmer
>
>
Now, if I remember correctly, you do need to enable the serial port as it's
not enabled by default.

Ah yes, you need to install setserial using the apt tool of your choice as
per here:
http://ccollins.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/serial-port-jiggery-pokery/

I would imagine that the modem will need a driver or at least a bit of port
voodoo which will be hard to work out until you can see it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Tony Pursell]

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 16:54 +0100, Cornelius Mostert wrote:
> Hi
> The scenario is as follow:
> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
> 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
> 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you
> can NOT reset it
> 4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys,
> etc. So not an enterprise router
> 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some
> changes (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT
> you do NOT know the IP address
> 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server
> 
> Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???
> 
> thanx

Look on the internet for a manual.  That should tell you the default
settings for the router.  But you could try 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1
These are the defaults for Netgear and Orange Livebox routers in the UK.
A D-link in Australia will have 10.1.1.1.

Tony




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Alan Pope]

On 19 October 2010 16:54, Cornelius Mostert  wrote:

Is

> 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan

and

> 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes

not mutually exclusive? I.e. you're saying you're not allowed to
administer the LAN but you're going to anyway?

> (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do NOT
> know the IP address
> 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server
>
> Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???
>

1. Walk up to it, note the manufacturer name and model and google for
a manual which almost always details the default IP address range.
or
2.If it's a wireless one use kismet to discover the IP
or
3. Go up to a working machine that's already on the network and look
at the IP settings (ipconfig in windows, ifconfig/route in linux)
or
4. If it's wired, plug a cable into the LAN and use wireshark to sniff traffic.
or
5. Guess. It's almost certainly 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 or
10.0.0.1. (yes, it could be something different, note I said *almost*
certainly)

All of which probably contravenes rule 1 you set out.

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[ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address

[Cornelius Mostert]

Hi
The scenario is as follow:
1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan
2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin
3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can NOT
reset it
4. This router is a "home" / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, etc. So
not an enterprise router
5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes
(you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do NOT
know the IP address
6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server

Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ???

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[ubuntu-uk] TC65T gsm/gprs modem

[Jacob Mansfield]

I have just purchased a TC65T to use with my monitoring server to send out
text alerts. I've tried using the serial port terminal to communicate with
it but there is no response. I think that the PC's serial port is not
working correctly with Ubuntu. can anybody give me a hand to get it working
properly?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UDS-N Remote participation how to get involved

[Laura Czajkowski]

  On 19/10/10 15:06, Laura Czajkowski wrote:
>Aloha folks just thought I'd drop you a line with some information on
> how to get involved during UDS-N even if you can't be present we still
> want to have you taking part and contributing.
>
>
> HOW TO GET THE MOST FROM SESSIONS
>
> 1- The first thing you should do is register your attendance for remote
> participation - https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m/+attend
Sorry old link there https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n/+attend

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu November- A little school project for you all?

[Tim Dalton]

Hello all,

Apologies for joining and posting to the list all in one day, but we have a
project going on that we thought you might be interested in getting involved
with (and Alan said we should post on here...).

I'll stick a link at the bottom of the post to a more detailed version, but
in short we are planning to get as many people in education as possible to
spend November trying out Ubuntu. We have IT staff, teachers, students, and
a couple of whole departments involved already, and the idea is spreading to
the point where other schools are signing up.

We're appealing out to the community for people that are willing to join in
and blog about their experiences (are you a teacher or parent maybe?), but
also for those willing to offer support for people that have problems. Would
be great if we could use the community to help, to promote, or point new
users in the direction of something you know would be good.

There's a blog for the project just started at ubuntu.1monthof.org if you'd
like more info, and do give me a shout if you would like to be involved.

Thanks in advance everybody,

Tim

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[ubuntu-uk] UDS-N Remote participation how to get involved

[Laura Czajkowski]

  Aloha folks just thought I'd drop you a line with some information on 
how to get involved during UDS-N even if you can't be present we still 
want to have you taking part and contributing.


HOW TO GET THE MOST FROM SESSIONS

1- The first thing you should do is register your attendance for remote 
participation - https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m/+attend

2- Have a look at the time table – handy to know in advance what is 
going on each day and what sessions you may want to attend.- 
summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/


3- Join the channel that the room is set up for, remember each room will 
hold a different track and session throughout the week


Grand Sierra D (Plenaries)
Antigua 1
Antigua 2
Antigua 3
Antigua 4
Bonaire 1
Bonaire 2
Bonaire 4
Bonaire 5
Bonaire 6
Bonaire 7
Bonaire 8
Curacao 1
Curacao 12
Curacao 34


4- When participating in the session, remember it is streamed if you 
cannot hear us talking say so on IRC, keep telling us to speak up or say 
who is talking so you are involved in the session. 
http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/


5- If you want to get your point heard and you feel it’s not being 
noticed, remember we will be in a room with laptops and chatting just 
keep poking someone and your point will be read aloud or pointed to on 
screen. Please be patient also, as discussions will take place do not 
flood the channels with the same comment over and over.

6- Don’t forget even if you are not there, you can still take on tasks 
when we look for people to help with things.

7- We take breaks when attending, getting up stretching legs and getting 
fresh air, please remember to take breaks also! Make yourself 
comfortable, sometimes wearing a set of earphones when it’s streaming 
gives better clarity.


8- A stream of all Ubuntu and UDS posts made to Identi.ca, 
Twitter,(#uds) and Flickr can be found on the livestream or if you just 
want to follow a certain track here is a list of them

http://identi.ca/udscommunity - udscommunity
http://identi.ca/udskernel - udskernel
http://identi.ca/udsqa - udsqa
http://identi.ca/udsfoundations - udsfoundations
http://identi.ca/udsmobile - udsmobile
http://identi.ca/udsdesktop - udsdesktop
http://identi.ca/udsserver - udsserver

9- Gobby is used at UDS to collaborate on the specifications that are 
being written and to facilitate remote participation. To take part, 
please install Gobby (available in universe) and tell it to connect to 
gobby.ubuntu.com. You will be presented with a list of documents being 
edited. During any session or meeting, and particularly at the end of 
one, please do make a local backup of your documents. There is a new 
gobby in karmic, gobby-infinote, we will NOT be using this at UDS since 
we need for people on older releases to participate. Ensure you are 
using the “gobby” package.

Finally, to take part I’d suggest a few things, have the channels joined 
before hand , a browser open with the timetable on it and remember each 
Room will have a different track topic in it at different times. If you 
have the icecast running, perhaps wear a set of headphones so you can 
hear better without distractions.

If you’re in a channel and someone is talking and they are faint do 
write on the channel asking them to *SPEAK UP YOU CANNOT HEAR THEM* you 
won’t be the only one!
If you make a comment on IRC and you want it to be conveyed to the 
people in the room, tell someone, perhaps make it *bold* so it stands 
out if it’s a busy discussion. But do poke again if it was missed and 
you want it conveyed.

Use gobby, and take part, you are a part of the community also, you’re 
comments are needed to help shape Narwhal. Save the document afterwards 
locally if you like so you have a reference for it, this is just handy 
so you can reference the work throughout the cycle.


Laura

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

[Colin Law]

On 19 October 2010 14:14, javadayaz  wrote:
> Yes thats what i meant. The expert has "located" to the problem to a faulty
> hard drive which is why it kept shutting down. Im not convinced though.
> I should still be able to boot my pc up with no hard drives attached and
> just a CD rom correct?

I think you should be able to boot of the Ubuntu CD without a hard drive fitted.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

[javadayaz]

Yes thats what i meant. The expert has "located" to the problem to a faulty
hard drive which is why it kept shutting down. Im not convinced though.

I should still be able to boot my pc up with no hard drives attached and
just a CD rom correct?

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 19 October 2010 14:03, javadayaz  wrote:
> > Apologies for bringing this dead thread back to life.
> > Would just like a quick opinion  from someone on this...
> > As you know my pc kept shutting down mysteriously. I took it into a local
> pc
> > shop who are telling me that a faulty hard drive is causing the shut
> downs.
> > I seem to recall the pc shutting down even when no hard drive was
> > connected...
> > Is this possible...?
>
> Is what possible?  Is it possible that the pc shut down even when no
> hard drive was connected?  Yes, but in that case it was not the hard
> drive causing it.
>
> Colin
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

[Colin Law]

On 19 October 2010 14:03, javadayaz  wrote:
> Apologies for bringing this dead thread back to life.
> Would just like a quick opinion  from someone on this...
> As you know my pc kept shutting down mysteriously. I took it into a local pc
> shop who are telling me that a faulty hard drive is causing the shut downs.
> I seem to recall the pc shutting down even when no hard drive was
> connected...
> Is this possible...?

Is what possible?  Is it possible that the pc shut down even when no
hard drive was connected?  Yes, but in that case it was not the hard
drive causing it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

[javadayaz]

Apologies for bringing this dead thread back to life.

Would just like a quick opinion  from someone on this...

As you know my pc kept shutting down mysteriously. I took it into a local pc
shop who are telling me that a faulty hard drive is causing the shut downs.
I seem to recall the pc shutting down even when no hard drive was
connected...

Is this possible...?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, javadayaz  wrote:

> That worked..screen back up and running.
> Rest I'm still stuck. Lol
>  On 7 Oct 2010 19:15, "javadayaz"  wrote:
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

 On 19/10/2010 12:47, pmgazz wrote:
  And the bizarre rituals for installing USB peripherals so XP doesn't 
lose the driver.




I could NEVER understand that. Even in Win 7, insert a USB stick you get 
"installing device drivers". Remove it and insert another make of USB 
stick into the SAME USB port, and guess what? "Installing device 
drivers..." WHY? Surely a USB stick is a USB stick is a USB stick
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on motherboard upgrade ...

[Neil Greenwood]

On 19 October 2010 13:55, Adam Bagnall  wrote:
> On 19 October 2010 13:36, Barry Drake  wrote:
>>
>> Plus it's got nice things like a parallel port,
>> and I still have a couple of nice printers that I could use   hmmm
>> I'm going to re-read the spec a few times  but I'm almost sold on
>> that one.  Thanks.
>
> Looking at the spec I think the parallel and com ports are in the form of
> pins on the board. There's no parallel or com port in the picture and
> they're listed under the "Internal I/O Connectors" section.
>

That's not much of a problem if he's currently got a case with the
connectors... simply unplug the port and cable from the current MB and
plug it into the new one. Just have to make sure that there's a hole
in the case for it. :-)


Cofion/Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on motherboard upgrade ...

[Adam Bagnall]

On 19 October 2010 13:36, Barry Drake  wrote:

> Plus it's got nice things like a parallel port,
> and I still have a couple of nice printers that I could use   hmmm
> I'm going to re-read the spec a few times  but I'm almost sold on
> that one.  Thanks.
>

Looking at the spec I think the parallel and com ports are in the form of
pins on the board. There's no parallel or com port in the picture and
they're listed under the "Internal I/O Connectors" section.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas pis^H^H^H Party

[pmgazz]

Yes.

At least three in this picture alone.

http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK#5418430093759282834

Al.

   

What a relief! Missed that one . . .
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on motherboard upgrade ...

[Barry Drake]

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 10:27 +0100, Adam Bagnall wrote:
> I know you said you were looking to spend around £120, but if I were
> in your position I'd spend the extra £25 for
> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/237052

Ooh  I hadn't considered that   I'm really tempted.  The cost is
not the real issue.  It is more what I feel is justified when 90% of my
usage is with really undemanding stuff   but I'm quite excited
looking at the spec.  Plus it's got nice things like a parallel port,
and I still have a couple of nice printers that I could use   hmmm
I'm going to re-read the spec a few times  but I'm almost sold on
that one.  Thanks.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas pis^H^H^H Party

[Alan Bell]

 On 19/10/10 12:22, pmgazz wrote:



Agree, Hub much nicer :)

Paula


OK, several votes for the Hub then! I would rather go for the Kings 
Cross Hub as the Islington one has about 8 flights of stairs and no 
lift. I gave them a call, they are thinking of doing a shared event for 
several smaller groups (we had about 20 people last year and Kings Cross 
has a capacity of 130), possibly on Thursday 16th of December, or 
perhaps Friday 17th. Cost might be a bit more than the £5/head it was 
last time but it won't be expensive, they might want to do the drinks 
and catering themselves or charge corkage so we may or may not be able 
to all bring mince pies like last time.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas pis^H^H^H Party

[Alan Pope]

On 19 October 2010 12:48, pmgazz  wrote:
> On 19/10/10 10:42, Alan Bell wrote:
>   Here are some of the pictures from the event last year:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK
> OMG were there any women at all?
>

Yes.

At least three in this picture alone.

http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK#5418430093759282834

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas pis^H^H^H Party

[pmgazz]

On 19/10/10 10:42, Alan Bell wrote:

   Here are some of the pictures from the event last year:
http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK

Alan.


   

OMG were there any women at all?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[pmgazz]

On 19/10/10 10:24, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 On 13/10/2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote:

On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote:
Installing Ubuntu IS as easy as installing Windows and a darn sight 
faster to get a fully-functioning machine.
Once you have installed Windows you THEN have to install your AV, you 
THEN have to install Office (or whatever you use) so that's a good 
DOUBLE the time Ubuntu takes


Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the 
time. For the remaining 5%, at least one is in a helpful environment 
where people care whether your graphics etc etc work or not and you 
don't end up crawling all over the web trying to find an obsolete driver 
from a company that's gone bust (and never cared anyway) and which isn't 
crawling with viruses.


Even with an installation driver CD handy, I still don't miss the 
rebooting, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting . . . ! And the bizarre 
rituals for installing USB peripherals so XP doesn't lose the driver.


Both can drive you up the wall when you hit a problem, but I reckon 
Ubuntu comes out easier and faster for installation 95% of the time.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas pis^H^H^H Party

[pmgazz]

On 18/10/10 19:54, Alan Bell wrote:

  I would rather not do a pub evening for this (but we should do
one some other time).

   


Agree, Hub much nicer :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas pis^H^H^H Party

[Alan Bell]

  Here are some of the pictures from the event last year:
http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK

Alan.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice on motherboard upgradw ...

[Adam Bagnall]

I know you said you were looking to spend around £120, but if I were in your
position I'd spend the extra £25 for http://www.ebuyer.com/product/237052

You say the main reason for an upgrade is to improve video rendering. Whilst
I've got no experience with Kino I suspect it uses ffmpeg or mencoder to do
the actual video rendering. Both of these are able to utilise multiple cores
and as such you'll notice a bigger difference using a slower quad core than
a faster single or dual core processor. The motherboard in that bundle also
has radeon 3000 integrated graphics, which, according to a previous reply,
is supported by the proprietary drivers so performance should be decent.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

 On 13/10/2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote:

On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote:
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything 
will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but 
to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that 
they can't solve problems or get a particular setup working how they 
would like, its that they won't try.  We have become too happy to 
rely on others to do all our thinking.


I too have come across problems with Graphic and Wifi cards yet I 
appreciate the time and effort people have put in to create a 
wonderful free product or to assist fools like me in forums.  One day 
I hope that my mucking about might be able to assist the wider 
community.  I'm excited that broad comm has released an open source 
driver, and when I have time I will be swearing at some of my older 
laptops as I try to make them work on Wifi with Ubuntu and the new 
driver.


As for the problem with the NVidia cards, install the driver :)
I am lucky (not that the wife would agree) that I have vast amounts 
of Graphics cards laying about, so if I do bump up against a problem 
I will swap out until I find a card that works and use that instead.  
Failing that I will install FreeNX and just connect remotely and 
debug/install from a different machine.


Obviously using the CD to check if your hardware setup will work is 
great.  Its a shame you can't do that with Windows... (someone is 
bound to tell me I'm wrong about that).  I have spent less time 
chasing down bugs and fixing incompatibles under Ubuntu then I did 
under XP (or 3.11).  Ubuntu has pushed Linux into the general public 
view and is almost ready to be a solution for all.  If my 
Mum/Dad/Wife/Grandparents can get to grips with it then I'm confidant 
that one day it will give Microsoft/Apple some great competition.


Chris
Unix Support/Linux Liker/Windows Acceptor


This is what I find unacceptable with Ubuntu, the fact that those in 
the know, always say, we get fed of people not trying. Its not about 
not trying, this guy has just said how he has tried, and cant get his 
Ubuntu to work. Those who know, always seem to be those that stand 
there and say Ubuntu is easy, easier than windows. If it was easy, and 
easier than windows, why did so many people, when the big drive a few 
years back to to have Ubuntu preinstalled, take their computers back. 
I know in places like Dixons and Curries' which is where I bought my 
Netbook, the guys behind the counter told me they got most of them 
back, because people couldnt even get their internet connection to 
work, showds that was a waste of time. So saying, preinstalled Ubuntu 
would make a difference, I think you'll find those that did sell 
preinstalled, would tell you different.


I know my experiences tell me as somebody who isnt a programmer and 
who basically self taught, say it isnt easy, and, help, well, that is 
another matter. There is so much and so many different things to look 
for when you have Ubuntu, that its confusing to say the least.


Windows as much as I hate it, is easier to set up than Ubuntu. Ubuntu, 
will start out of the box, and you might be able to surf the net, but 
as far as graphics are concerned, it doesnt tell you that you have to 
spend hours installing extras, not just a few things, but dozens of 
things, to get the graphics working, and even then it doesnt always 
work. So to say, its easier than windows, and its the users fault, I 
think that is not a good thing to put over. Sorry. I have said this 
myself before, it wont be program for masses.


John

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Two points - on all three machines that originally came with windows 
that I have installed Ubuntu (and other flavours) on, the graphics just 
"worked" - I didn't need to tweak anything. I have middle of the road 
machines such as might be sold to a business with "ordinary" 
commonly-used graphics cards.
Secondly, I would suggest that you cannot compare the "masses" 
installing Ubuntu with the "masses" installing Windows - the "masses" 
have never HAD to install Windows - it comes (by and large) 
pre-installed with all drivers etc etc. Just lurk on the MS forums for a 
while and see all the problems THERE with users re- installing Windows 
and other software.
Installing Ubuntu IS as easy as installing Windows and a darn sight 
faster to get a fully-functioning machine.
Once you have installed Windows you THEN have to install your AV, you 
THEN have to install Office (or whatever you use) so that's a good 
DOUBLE the time Ubuntu takes
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[ubuntu-uk] IRC Meeting tonight 19th October

[Dan Fish]

Just a reminder that the next full team meeting is scheduled for this
evening  19th October at 20:00 UTC (2100 BST) and will be held in
#ubuntu-uk-meeting on irc.freenode.net

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world

[ian pettitt]

On 18/10/10 22:23, Alan Bell wrote:
>On 18/10/10 22:20, Will Bickerstaff wrote:
>>
>> There is an open streetmap plugin for wordpess that can place multiple
>> markers using a flat file.
>>
>> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/osm/
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wp-osm-plugin#adding_a_list_of_markers
>>
>> How manageable would something like that be?
>>
>> Not looked at it too closely but I'd imagine pulling the marker data
>> from something other than a flat file would be a fairly trivial change.
>>
>>
> as luck would have it that was just pointed out in IRC
> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
> there is a bit of a bug with it throwing up the error you see at the top
> of the screen. It can pull data from custom fields on posts as well. If
> pulling from a text file it has to be served up from the same server
> apparently, which should be fine (just means we can't pull from a page
> on wiki.ubuntu.com for example)
>
> Alan.
>

If the list was on the wiki, it could be pulled in using a php script 
(using curl) to present that extracted information in the format 
currently held in the flat file.

I use this to get dynamically present information from my Alfresco 
server into my PHP apps, using the Alfresco REST api.

If you have a page on the wiki with the information to pull in, I could 
have a go as a proof of concept, if this would be useful.

Thanks

Ian

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