Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loosy splah screen after update to 10.10
does anybody know if it's possible to customise the Plymouth graphics, I quite fancy giving it a stab and ending up with something a bit more impressive than 'dots'. Jacob Mansfield Programmer -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas Party \o/
On 18 November 2010 21:37, Bruno Girin wrote: > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 14:36 +, Alan Bell wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am pleased to announce the Ubuntu UK Christmas party. It will be at >> the Hub Islington (same venue as last year) on Tuesday 21st December >> from 7PM until about 10ish > > Damn, I'll be out of the country :-( So will I, at home in Wales :) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas Party \o/
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 14:36 +, Alan Bell wrote: > Hi all, > > I am pleased to announce the Ubuntu UK Christmas party. It will be at > the Hub Islington (same venue as last year) on Tuesday 21st December > from 7PM until about 10ish Damn, I'll be out of the country :-( Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Podcast 20 - easy bug reporting
there was ubuntu brainstroming web page: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ haven't looked at it in a while. I think your idea is great. -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:46:06 -0600 From: "Jones, Victor" Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast 20 - easy bug reporting To: "ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com" Message-ID: <4fe5e7f6ebbc274abee8e2ddb69e6dbf3394f01...@srv060ex01.ssd.fsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Guys and Laura, I must say I really enjoyed your last episode (20). The discussion on putting up with bugs v's reporting them v's changing apps/distros/underwear was *great*. I REALLY agree with the principle that bugs should be reported. The thing that limits that is the effort it takes to report bugs. As was pointed out, people have a life and are trying to get things done. If reporting (and following up on) bugs isn't QUICK *and* EASY, most people just won't do it. I was really impressed to hear that gwibber allows quick bug reporting from the help. That's exactly what I've thought should be done. I believe that every app should allow bugs to be reported from that app - just by pressing F1 and clicking on a "File bug/Request feature" link. How to get that in? It seems to me that gnome could 'specify' a standard that all gnome apps should have that button in the apps help screen that would take the user to the bug reporting site for the project, with many of the reporting fields prefilled. OK, that's going to take some time to happen, even if everyone agreed tomorrow to do it. Canonical seems to me to be ideally placed to actually implement this - right now. After all, they tweak the base distro AND have a bug reporting system. I imagine it wouldn't take too much effort to add in a button into the help function for each app. Speaking as a non-programmer, I'm guessing that there are probably standard calls for the help window, or that a script could search out the 'F1' calls in an app, and splice in some extra code. The 'File bug/feature request' link could take the user to a launchpad page for that app. If/when at somepoint the app has its own bug reporting page then the link could be redirected there. If modifying each app through a script is not feasible, ubuntu could intercept the F1 calls and overlay a window with the bug filing link, and still pull up the apps normal help window - all it would need to know is which window has the focus when F1 is pressed. The same bug filing/feature request idea would be applicable to KDE. Similarly, when you press F1 from that app again, you'd get a list of the bugs you've filed e.g. at the bottom of the help, or in a direct link). I havn't pushed this idea before as, to be frank, I'd no idea where to send it to. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, and how to push the idea if you think it has merit. If it had some support from anyone in canonical it might gain some traction. Cheers, Vic. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20101118/ce153f0d/attachment.htm -- -- ubuntu-uk mailing list ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk End of ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 30 * -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 30
> I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the > Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' > stands for in Mark's acronym) From: Alan Bell > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk >Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28] > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <4ce55475.6080...@theopenlearningcentre.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: > > > > I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the > > Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' > > stands for in Mark's acronym) > it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free > which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of > Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, > which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all > about and that is where you will find the real business value of the > software we are talking about. FLOSS was a term coined specifically to AVOID taking sides in the "Free" (Stallman) vs. "OpenSource" (Raymond) battle that seemed to dominate the movement in the 1990s (which is, after all, when I started using Linux.) The L stands for: - Libre (French/Spanish) - Livre (Portuguese) - Libero (Italian) The F stands for: - Free (English) - Frei (German) It's only English, by the way, that has the ambiguity problem with a single word - free - meaning either "no charge" or "unrestricted", depending on who you ask. If pushed to decide between Free and OpenSource, I prefer OpenSource, because I find the arguments of Raymond (and to a lesser extent, Lessig) more compelling than Stallman... and I CERTAINLY stand with Linus on the question of which version of the GPL is most appropriate :-) However, 99 times out of 100, I would rather NOT get drawn into discussions about "the meaning of free" and rather talk about "What Ubuntu can do for you..." As such, I find Shuttleworth refreshing, and Ubuntu is, accordingly a good O/S for me for many, many, reasons. Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Podcast 20 - easy bug reporting
Hi Guys and Laura, I must say I really enjoyed your last episode (20). The discussion on putting up with bugs v's reporting them v's changing apps/distros/underwear was *great*. I REALLY agree with the principle that bugs should be reported. The thing that limits that is the effort it takes to report bugs. As was pointed out, people have a life and are trying to get things done. If reporting (and following up on) bugs isn't QUICK *and* EASY, most people just won't do it. I was really impressed to hear that gwibber allows quick bug reporting from the help. That's exactly what I've thought should be done. I believe that every app should allow bugs to be reported from that app - just by pressing F1 and clicking on a "File bug/Request feature" link. How to get that in? It seems to me that gnome could 'specify' a standard that all gnome apps should have that button in the apps help screen that would take the user to the bug reporting site for the project, with many of the reporting fields prefilled. OK, that's going to take some time to happen, even if everyone agreed tomorrow to do it. Canonical seems to me to be ideally placed to actually implement this - right now. After all, they tweak the base distro AND have a bug reporting system. I imagine it wouldn't take too much effort to add in a button into the help function for each app. Speaking as a non-programmer, I'm guessing that there are probably standard calls for the help window, or that a script could search out the 'F1' calls in an app, and splice in some extra code. The 'File bug/feature request' link could take the user to a launchpad page for that app. If/when at somepoint the app has its own bug reporting page then the link could be redirected there. If modifying each app through a script is not feasible, ubuntu could intercept the F1 calls and overlay a window with the bug filing link, and still pull up the apps normal help window - all it would need to know is which window has the focus when F1 is pressed. The same bug filing/feature request idea would be applicable to KDE. Similarly, when you press F1 from that app again, you'd get a list of the bugs you've filed e.g. at the bottom of the help, or in a direct link). I havn't pushed this idea before as, to be frank, I'd no idea where to send it to. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, and how to push the idea if you think it has merit. If it had some support from anyone in canonical it might gain some traction. Cheers, Vic. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 17:32 +, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Actually, I was under the impression that the stack exchange software > (which drives stack overflow and askubuntu and others) is Free > Software, albeit on a Windows and C# platform. It appears to run nginx on Linux, or at least its front-end load-balancer/proxy does: r...@server:~# nmap -sV -O askubuntu.com -p 23,22,21,80,81,443 Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-11-18 17:39 GMT Interesting ports on stackoverflow.com (64.34.119.12): PORTSTATESERVICE VERSION 21/tcp filtered ftp 22/tcp filtered ssh 23/tcp filtered telnet 80/tcp closed http 81/tcp filtered hosts2-ns 443/tcp open ssl/http nginx web server 0.7.65 Device type: general purpose|WAP|router|firewall|webcam Running (JUST GUESSING) : Linux 2.6.X|2.4.X (92%), D-Link embedded (91%), Linksys embedded (91%), Peplink embedded (91%), Check Point Linux 2.4.X (88%), MikroTik RouterOS 3.X (87%), Linksys Linux 2.4.X (86%), AXIS Linux 2.6.X (85%) Aggressive OS guesses: Linux 2.6.15 - 2.6.24 (92%), D-Link DSA-3100 or Linksys WRT54GL (DD-WRT v23) WAP, or Peplink Balance 30 router (91%), Linux 2.6.22 (91%), Linux 2.6.24 - 2.6.28 (89%), Check Point VPN-1 UTM appliance (88%), Linux 2.6.18 - 2.6.27 (88%), Linux 2.6.9 - 2.6.26 (88%), Linux 2.4.21 - 2.4.31 (likely embedded) (87%), Linux 2.6.15 - 2.6.23 (embedded) (87%), Linux 2.6.22 (Fedora Core 6) (87%) No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal). OS and Service detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://nmap.org/submit/ . Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 19.44 seconds Regards, Tyler -- "No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices." -- Edward R. Murrow -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
Actually, I was under the impression that the stack exchange software (which drives stack overflow and askubuntu and others) is Free Software, albeit on a Windows and C# platform. -- Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs Please excuse any top posting, typographical or gramatical errors and brevity, as this message has been written on my mobile device On 18 Nov 2010 16:30, "Alan Bell" wrote: On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: > > I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I thin... it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. Personally I am not that fussed about making a Free platform for proprietary software developers to develop for. They can by all means do so if they want to, but it is their loss if they don't. I don't want to actively discourage proprietary vendors from targeting Ubuntu but I think the point in this instance is that there are loads of Free as in Liberty projects that do web forum answer tracking things and it might well be better to use one of them, improving it where necessary and contributing back the improvements. That said, askubuntu.com (proprietary platform that it is) seems to be doing a pretty good job in this area. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ub... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: > > I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the > Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' > stands for in Mark's acronym) it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. Personally I am not that fussed about making a Free platform for proprietary software developers to develop for. They can by all means do so if they want to, but it is their loss if they don't. I don't want to actively discourage proprietary vendors from targeting Ubuntu but I think the point in this instance is that there are loads of Free as in Liberty projects that do web forum answer tracking things and it might well be better to use one of them, improving it where necessary and contributing back the improvements. That said, askubuntu.com (proprietary platform that it is) seems to be doing a pretty good job in this area. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On 18 November 2010 11:47, Tony Scott wrote: > Hi Mark > > Just to clarify I said "Surely using an (sic!) FOSS system would be more > appropriate for a Linux Q&A site?". I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' stands for in Mark's acronym) can sometimes hold it back... encouraging proprietary software vendors to develop for Linux, alongside the Open Source community, is - imho - something we should be doing, rather than letting "the purists" put them off.Because it is often these proprietary vendors who have the software (at the time) that people want to use, and why should we let Microsoft steal even more of a march because we say "sorry, Gran Turismo isn't going to be available on this because..." (discuss!) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I agree with Alan C and the others who have said the URL itself sends out the wrong message... linuxsolutions.org is positive, linuxproblems.org just strengthens the resolve of those who argue that Linux "is a problem to have on your desktop", which I do not believe it is. Would Morrisons create a website called problems-with-morrisons.com ? Would Microsoft create a website called helpfultipsfortamingwindows.com? Would Abobe create a website called whydreamweaveraintcrap.com? Methinks not... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Christmas Party \o/
Hi all, I am pleased to announce the Ubuntu UK Christmas party. It will be at the Hub Islington (same venue as last year) on Tuesday 21st December from 7PM until about 10ish http://islington.the-hub.net/public/ The venue is easy to get to from Islington tube station, but there are rather a lot of stairs to get to the room. There is a signup page on the loco directory here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/ and here are some photos from the event last year http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK Bring some mince pies or Christmassy and/or Ubuntu themed nibbles and £5 a head for the venue hire. Some drinks will be provided but feel free to bring a bottle of seasonal cheer. I look forward to seeing you for an evening of festive geekery. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
Hi Mark Just to clarify I said "Surely using an (sic!) FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux Q&A site?". I did not say that FOSS must be used... Cheers -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://uk.wordcamp.org > >From: Mark Harrison >To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >Sent: Thu, 18 November, 2010 11:31:57 >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28 > >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:56:46 + (GMT) > >From: Tony Scott >>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? >>To: UK Ubuntu Talk >>Message-ID: <726420.10698...@web29514.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>Hi Daniel >> >>Putting aside whether (yet) another such site is needed (as Alan has already >>commented), could I just point out the PHP script is not free - it appears to >be >>propriety code that requires payment http://www.answerscript.com/order.html >> >>There are plenty of open source systems that could do this sort of job, >>including WordPress http://wordpress.org/ >> >>Surely using an FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux Q&A site? >> >>Cheers >> >At the risk of being controversial. Now YOU are the one jumping to conclusions. > >Specifically, you are assuming that people use Linux because they care about >FLOSS principles. > >While there are, undoubtably, many people who use Linux for that reason... >... there are many others who use Linux because "it's cheap, just works and >doesn't get viruses." > > >One of the things that PUTS PEOPLE OFF Linux is the element in the community >who >preach them them about why they MUST use FLOSS software. > > >To turn to the question of "whether the world needs this": > >Whether or not there are genuinely 10,000 people a month with Linux problems >who >could use this site, I have no idea. That's the marvellous thing about freedom >on the Internet - anyone can, for a few quid, set up a website of their own. >Maybe this one will fail, but if the OpenSource movement has taught us >anything, >it's taught us that massive duplication of projects is overall a GOOD thing, >because the good ideas from one feed into the next. > > >And as for the URL giving the wrong message When did the LINUX community >turn into the thought police? I thought it was only Apple that worried about >things like that! > >Mark > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:56:46 + (GMT) > From: Tony Scott > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? > To: UK Ubuntu Talk > Message-ID: <726420.10698...@web29514.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Daniel > > Putting aside whether (yet) another such site is needed (as Alan has > already > commented), could I just point out the PHP script is not free - it appears > to be > propriety code that requires payment > http://www.answerscript.com/order.html > > There are plenty of open source systems that could do this sort of job, > including WordPress http://wordpress.org/ > > Surely using an FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux Q&A site? > > Cheers > At the risk of being controversial. Now YOU are the one jumping to conclusions. Specifically, you are assuming that people use Linux because they care about FLOSS principles. While there are, undoubtably, many people who use Linux for that reason... ... there are many others who use Linux because "it's cheap, just works and doesn't get viruses." One of the things that PUTS PEOPLE OFF Linux is the element in the community who preach them them about why they MUST use FLOSS software. To turn to the question of "whether the world needs this": Whether or not there are genuinely 10,000 people a month with Linux problems who could use this site, I have no idea. That's the marvellous thing about freedom on the Internet - anyone can, for a few quid, set up a website of their own. Maybe this one will fail, but if the OpenSource movement has taught us anything, it's taught us that massive duplication of projects is overall a GOOD thing, because the good ideas from one feed into the next. And as for the URL giving the wrong message When did the LINUX community turn into the thought police? I thought it was only Apple that worried about things like that! Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17 November 2010 23:22, Daniel Case wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I am glad you brought that up as I am currently making a script to suit the > needs of the site (I am a PHP developer by profession) . I would like to > make it as unique as possible and add my own "spin" to the typical Q+A > scripts out there. > > I just wasn't really sure what sort of features would be appreciated in > such a site. The site was previously owned by someone else who gave it to me > as it was not doing very well. > > Daniel > > Hello Daniel, Whilst the site look great, it am struggling to understand the added value over stack exchange's askubuntu.com site. Stack Exchange have an established reputation and there are lots of active people on there giving really user friendly help. I often get beaten to give a good answer by other people. I am a little concerned that you wont get the momentum needed to get this site really active with this kind of competition and also as you mentioned the previous owner of the site was unable to do very well with it. If you have less momentum than askubuntu.com, then I would feel I was letting people down if I point them in the direction of your site over askubuntu.comas they would not necessarily get the best help. My appologies that I am unable to be more positive about you efforts. Perhaps you could go into the differentiators that would draw people to your site, both as people looking for answers and people willing to answer those problems in a easy to understand way. If you can find a way to make the site give lots of added value to people looking for answers (and people willing to give answers) then I will gladly do all I can to support your efforts. Thank you -- John Stevenson Lean Agile Consultant / Coach jr0cket.com | leanagilemachine.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I think it is realistic and honest, no OS is without issues. Regards Jon On 18 Nov 2010 08:48, "alan c" wrote: > On 17/11/10 21:55, Daniel Case wrote: >> And I forgot to provide the link! >> http://www.linuxproblems.org > > I think this gives a negative message about Linux. > -- > alan cocks > Ubuntu user > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17/11/10 21:55, Daniel Case wrote: > And I forgot to provide the link! > http://www.linuxproblems.org I think this gives a negative message about Linux. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
