[ubuntu-uk] Documentation control software!
Hi, Does anyone know of any opensource (read free) software that can be be used for documentation control. This software needs to be able to : Be able to interact with outlook to send emails for reminders have a notification system for outstanding tasks. Be able to populate information into a standard format letter Be able to produce statistical reports graphs etc! Would be a bonus if it worked in windows as well as Ubuntu? -- Regards Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Rating software in software centre
Hello, Do any of you use the rating system in the ubuntu software centre? I was able to rate many apps but was unable to rate Gwyddion. Is there any reason for this? Could you try it? Would you go through the effort of saying it also affects you here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/792017 PS: thanks for the ASUS ubuntu response. true, speed seems to be the least of it's problems. -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] asus ubuntu
TONY Please tell me how you get on with the 13hr battery life. The laptop we have at home goes by 8hrs but only if the ASUS resource saving mode is on. I seem to recall that things like video watching where affected in this mode. -- Forwarded message -- From: Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:38:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] asus ubuntu On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 18:37 +0100, alan c wrote: On 05/06/11 18:33, Andres wrote: Not that I like W7 but it is quite quick to boot up i timed 30-45 seconds on some laptops when it came out in john lewis. The problem (imho) is that you'll need antivirus. Even if it's the free windows essentials one it still slows down. Even if W7 was faster than Ubuntu, I would still have a lot of reasons to want to avoid it. You can all relax, I am now dual booting Ubuntu 11.04 on my Eee PC 1015PEM, with Ubuntu as the default. I cannot see myself booting into W7 very often - don't really know why I kept it. Tony -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rating software in software centre
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 13:48 +0100, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: Hello, Do any of you use the rating system in the ubuntu software centre? I was able to rate many apps but was unable to rate Gwyddion. Is there any reason for this? Could you try it? Would you go through the effort of saying it also affects you here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/792017 PS: thanks for the ASUS ubuntu response. true, speed seems to be the least of it's problems. -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella Thank you for bring this bug to my attention. Ratings and reviews should work on any application you have installed, it doesn't do package checking of any sort I don't believe. There is however a daily limit of reviews to try and limit bot - api attacks spamming the service to the point of unuse. It maybe that you hit your limit but you should of had an error saying that you couldn't send at that time please try again latter iirc. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on android.
Does anyone know of an emulator type application which could run native Ubuntu programs on my Samsung galaxy s2, running android? Perhaps even a way to dual boot it to run the desktop edition or maybe meego? Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on android.
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 14:12 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Does anyone know of an emulator type application which could run native Ubuntu programs on my Samsung galaxy s2, running android? Perhaps even a way to dual boot it to run the desktop edition or maybe meego? No such thing exists. The closest possibilities are: 1. Port the Ubuntu ARM release to the S2 hardware. Depending on your definition of fun, that will not be fun. 2. Use a VNC client on the S2 to connect to a normal Ubuntu desktop. Regards, Tyler -- I respect you too much to respect your ridiculous ideas. -- Johann Hari -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] SMB Share - Fstab
Hi there folks, I'm having a stupid day today and would appreciate a sanity check! I have a line like this in my fstab file //mywindowsserver/share /home/myuser/mount cifs credentials=/home/myuser/smb/credentials,dir_mode=0700,file_mode=0700,uid=1000 0 0 As I understand it, when this remote NTFS SMB share is mounted, the files and folders mounted on it will have 0700 permissions, will be owned by UID 1000 (from the perspective of my Linux system) and nobody else on the system (except for root of course) will be able to access them. I am right aren't I?! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on android.
On 6 June 2011 14:12, Dave Hanson d...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote: Does anyone know of an emulator type application which could run native Ubuntu programs on my Samsung galaxy s2, running android? Perhaps even a way to dual boot it to run the desktop edition or maybe meego? XDA hackers have apparently got Ubuntu,or at least a modern Gnome-based distribution running on the HTC Desire HD as here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/install-ubuntu-on-the-htc-desire-hd/ but it isn't easy. What applications do you want to run and do they have an equivalent on Android? s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Is this your sanderling? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on android.
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 14:16 +0100, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: No such thing exists. The closest possibilities are: Oh sure. And now even a casual web search turns up several hacked up phones running Ubuntu. Madness. :) Tyler -- The map is not the territory. -- Alfred Korzybski -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on android.
Thanks Tyler. On Jun 6, 2011 2:16 PM, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 14:12 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Does anyone know of an emulator type application which could run native Ubuntu programs on my Samsung galaxy s2, running android? Perhaps even a way to dual boot it to run the desktop edition or maybe meego? No such thing exists. The closest possibilities are: 1. Port the Ubuntu ARM release to the S2 hardware. Depending on your definition of fun, that will not be fun. 2. Use a VNC client on the S2 to connect to a normal Ubuntu desktop. Regards, Tyler -- I respect you too much to respect your ridiculous ideas. -- Johann Hari -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on android.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 14:12 +0100, Dave Hanson wrote: Does anyone know of an emulator type application which could run native Ubuntu programs on my Samsung galaxy s2, running android? Perhaps even a way to dual boot it to run the desktop edition or maybe meego? No such thing exists. The closest possibilities are: 1. Port the Ubuntu ARM release to the S2 hardware. Depending on your definition of fun, that will not be fun. 2. Use a VNC client on the S2 to connect to a normal Ubuntu desktop. There are a number of systems around where you can install an ARM Ubuntu inside a chroot environment, run it with a VNC server as it's primary X output and then connect to it using an Android VNC client application. It is not a particularly fast method but it works. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 20:39 +0100, George Tripp wrote: From: John Stevenson j...@jr0cket.com Move the mouse between the Gimp menu and the indicators on the panel and press the middle mouse button (or left/right buttons together). This cycles through the windows open on the workspace. Thanks John (and everyone else who replied) - this seems to have the desired effect. George Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME 3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME. I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :( Paula attachment: face-sad.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp
gazz wrote: Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME 3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME. I'm intrigued by this. I've so far found that Unity breaks far fewer of my assumptions and habits than Gnome3 does. The biggie with Gnome 3 for is the workspace management, but the common criticisms apply to each - neither has a wonderfully fast or easy menu and neither has much in the way of configuration options. I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :( Ah yeah, I've been going back-and-forth for a bit - I spend just long enough with one to forget all the niggly bits that irritated me about the other and switch back. I suspect that once I've 'fixed' the workspaces in Gnome3 I'll stick with it, but I'm still having trouble seeing the benefit of either over Gnome 2. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 15:50 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: gazz wrote: Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME 3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME. I'm intrigued by this. I've so far found that Unity breaks far fewer of my assumptions and habits than Gnome3 does. The biggie with Gnome 3 for is the workspace management, but the common criticisms apply to each - neither has a wonderfully fast or easy menu and neither has much in the way of configuration options. I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :( Ah yeah, I've been going back-and-forth for a bit - I spend just long enough with one to forget all the niggly bits that irritated me about the other and switch back. I suspect that once I've 'fixed' the workspaces in Gnome3 I'll stick with it, but I'm still having trouble seeing the benefit of either over Gnome 2. -- Avi Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as Unity - eeek! Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp
On 06/06/11 15:57, gazz wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 15:50 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: gazz wrote: Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME 3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME. I'm intrigued by this. I've so far found that Unity breaks far fewer of my assumptions and habits than Gnome3 does. The biggie with Gnome 3 for is the workspace management, but the common criticisms apply to each - neither has a wonderfully fast or easy menu and neither has much in the way of configuration options. I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :( Ah yeah, I've been going back-and-forth for a bit - I spend just long enough with one to forget all the niggly bits that irritated me about the other and switch back. I suspect that once I've 'fixed' the workspaces in Gnome3 I'll stick with it, but I'm still having trouble seeing the benefit of either over Gnome 2. -- Avi Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as Unity - eeek! Paula I switched to lxde on my netbook, even though its the only computer I have that works with 11.04. I am working with Unity, but not liking it much... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rating software in software centre
* There is however a daily limit of reviews to try and limit bot - api attacks spamming the service to the point of unuse. It maybe that you hit your limit but you should of had an error saying that you couldn't send at that time please try again latter iirc. *** Hi, It was the first thing I wanted to Rate. I couldn't so I went and rated Inkscape and GIMP. I then tried again and it wouldn't rate. I only rated about 3 apps tops. Shutdown, let it rest for a day and tried again but still would not let me rate. Would you mind trying to rate it? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Devon and Cornwall Linux user group meeting - show of hands
Hi Could I have a show of hands for the meeting on Saturday please Saturday 11th June 2011 (SECOND SATURDAY) Shoreline Bar + Bistro Paignton Seafront 14:30 to 17:00 thanks Paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
I don't know how many people watch Click on the BBC News channel, but I thought I'd note that they had a piece on the Raspberry Pi on the last one (over the weekend), with a mention of Ubuntu as part of a piece on the lack of decent IT education in schools and the need to do it better - i.e. programming and more in depth knowledge rather than just how to use MS Office. It is available online at http://bbc.co.uk/click and for the moment is the top item. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
On 6 June 2011 17:57, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: I don't know how many people watch Click on the BBC News channel, but I thought I'd note that they had a piece on the Raspberry Pi on the last one (over the weekend), with a mention of Ubuntu as part of a piece on the lack of decent IT education in schools and the need to do it better - i.e. programming and more in depth knowledge rather than just how to use MS Office. It is available online at http://bbc.co.uk/click and for the moment is the top item. Great sentiment, never going to happen. Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills - and even then most can't even do that properly! For example, you'll be hard pressed to find an ICT teacher who has a science, engineering or computing background - most are business or management, or even PE. When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort of programming? Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer works (any more than they care how a car works) - they just want to use it. Granted, there are always some who do, and there are always extra-curricular clubs and GCSE and A-level Computing for them. However, the same children who are interested in how a computer works also tend to be those who take Maths and Sciences at A-level; Computing doesn't have the same appeal. Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it. To teach it in an interesting and engaging way is difficult, and to keep up with the pace of change relies on them having an interest in the topic, and again, most don't. The number of teachers who can do it, and are interested in it, are outnumbered and out-gunned. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Documentation control software!
On 6 June 2011 04:08, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of any opensource (read free) software that can be be used for documentation control. Some suggestions I have are: Alfresco - http://www.alfresco.com/ Liferay - http://www.liferay.com/ I dont really understand the value of your requirements so have not concept if these products are relevent, except that they are available as open source products. Thank you -- http://uk.linkedin.com/in/johnstevenson247John Stevensonhttp://uk.linkedin.com/in/johnstevenson247| Public calendar http://john.jr0cket.co.uk/public-calendar | @JR0ckethttp://http//twitter.com/#%21/JR0cket | @AnAmbassadorUK https://twitter.com/#%21/AnAmbassadorUK | Tech websiteshttp://jr0cket.co.uk/ | Tech blog http://jr0cket.com/ | Lean Agile Bloghttp://leanagilemachine.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
J Fernyhough wrote: Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills This is precisely what's *wanted* in order that IT teachers can teach IT. At the moment, the IT taught in school is an introduction to using computers in the other subjects - processing statistics in a spreadsheet, writing essays in a word processor, editing images, that sort of thing. What needs to happen before IT can possibly be expected to start teaching IT is for these basic skills to be taught in the same places as the non-computer-related basic skills. Word processors should be covered in English lessons, spreadsheets in maths or a science, image processing in art, search engines in history and that sort of thing. The problem here is that the curriculum is not really about anything in particular except being a curriculum. We can't work out whether school is about learning for learning's sake, preparing students for work, preparing students for life in general or something else entirely. It still feels heavily geared towards staffing the governance of colonies... A larger problem is that a lack of understanding of computers is a complete non-issue. Many people genuinely believe it is more important to know the date of VE day than what a firewall does. When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort of programming? Why should an IT teacher be teaching art anyway? Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer works (any more than they care how a car works) I suspect they're not overly bothered about trigonometry or the differences between plant cells and animal cells. The point of a curriculum isn't to be interesting. Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it. This is untrue in many fields that aren't IT. We seem to manage to provide children with science and maths and $difficultSubject teachers The problem is that the IT curriculum is more about teaching kids how to do other subjects with computers than it is about computers. It's roughly akin to using English literature lessons to teach students the meanings of their History course texts. -- Avi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:13:29 +0100 J Fernyhough wrote: On 6 June 2011 17:57, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: I don't know how many people watch Click on the BBC News channel, but I thought I'd note that they had a piece on the Raspberry Pi on the last one (over the weekend), with a mention of Ubuntu as part of a piece on the lack of decent IT education in schools and the need to do it better - i.e. programming and more in depth knowledge rather than just how to use MS Office. It is available online at http://bbc.co.uk/click and for the moment is the top item. Great sentiment, never going to happen. Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills - and even then most can't even do that properly! For example, you'll be hard pressed to find an ICT teacher who has a science, engineering or computing background - most are business or management, or even PE. When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort of programming? Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer works (any more than they care how a car works) - they just want to use it. Granted, there are always some who do, and there are always extra-curricular clubs and GCSE and A-level Computing for them. However, the same children who are interested in how a computer works also tend to be those who take Maths and Sciences at A-level; Computing doesn't have the same appeal. Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it. To teach it in an interesting and engaging way is difficult, and to keep up with the pace of change relies on them having an interest in the topic, and again, most don't. The number of teachers who can do it, and are interested in it, are outnumbered and out-gunned. Jonathon Unfortunately I would have to agree with most of your sentiments there, Jonathon. I teach IT from Level 1 through to Level 3 (GCSEs are deemed Level 2) at a college of FE and in my experience the majority of IT teachers at secondary schools do the bare minimum they can as they really don't understand it themselves, since they're not IT specialists. I think the problem is primarily 2-fold. Firstly, and this is a *HUGE* generalisation, people inclined towards IT will either find teaching or the idea of teaching off-putting as it will most likely involve interacting with, and being in a custodial role of youngsters (who are usually quite a difficult bunch to work with) or they will find the attractiveness of working in higher-paid environments more enticing (let's be honest - teaching isn't one of the better paid environments out there). Secondly, on the other side of the coin, a lot of people who are in a position where they teach IT at secondary schools are in that position not because they are particularly adept with computers and not even because they are more adept than their colleagues, but because they didn't have enough teaching hours on their timetable to warrant a full-time position and the school needed to put someone up as an IT teacher. I find myself in a rather privileged position. I am a self-confessed geek. I find most aspects of computers interesting and I am happy to spend my spare time reading and researching topics that grab my attention. Yes, I have my specialisms but I frequently find that my knowledge of my non-specialist topics is greater than some of my peers who teach them... because I find them fascinating and so read, read and read some more about the topics. I also happen to enjoy teaching. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
I agree with much of what you say - I'm going to respond inline for the discussion. On 6 June 2011 18:42, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: J Fernyhough wrote: Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills This is precisely what's *wanted* in order that IT teachers can teach IT. At the moment, the IT taught in school is an introduction to using computers in the other subjects - processing statistics in a spreadsheet, writing essays in a word processor, editing images, that sort of thing. What needs to happen before IT can possibly be expected to start teaching IT is for these basic skills to be taught in the same places as the non-computer-related basic skills. Word processors should be covered in English lessons, spreadsheets in maths or a science, image processing in art, search engines in history and that sort of thing. Yes, and yes. And in many instances this is exactly what happens, and exactly why a school might not value ICT as a discrete subject. If the skills are being taught cross-curricular, then why do we need IT lessons and IT teachers? If IT teachers are teaching what's being taught by other staff, why do they need specific skills? However, for this to happen what would be required is an increase in basic IT skills of all teachers, and that would require a change in their mindset. I've read a lot about project-based (or thematic) learning, especially in charter schools in California and New York. This has promise, but getting past the current teaching mindset is nigh-on impossible. The problem here is that the curriculum is not really about anything in particular except being a curriculum. We can't work out whether school is about learning for learning's sake, preparing students for work, preparing students for life in general or something else entirely. It still feels heavily geared towards staffing the governance of colonies... A larger problem is that a lack of understanding of computers is a complete non-issue. Many people genuinely believe it is more important to know the date of VE day than what a firewall does. Agreed. It's a bit pants. When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort of programming? Why should an IT teacher be teaching art anyway? I would respond that ICT is a convergence subject. It's not just about computers and how they work. Why teach about podcasting (Music/Media/English), logo design (Graphics, Art) or animation (Art, Drama), or website design (Media, Graphics), or spreadsheet formulae (Maths, Business/Economics), or data analysis (Maths, Science), or... The point of the image editing was faked photos (think Iran missile launch photo from a few months back). Again, though, this is about information bias and validity - and this again could be taught in pretty much every other subject. Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer works (any more than they care how a car works) I suspect they're not overly bothered about trigonometry or the differences between plant cells and animal cells. The point of a curriculum isn't to be interesting. No, but it helps, and it should normally provide some context. It helps most, though, when the teacher is interested in the curriculum (I should highlight that this is possibly the most important thing in teaching). Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it. This is untrue in many fields that aren't IT. We seem to manage to provide children with science and maths and $difficultSubject teachers While I accept your point, there's a shortage of Maths and Science teachers. Recruitment of Maths teachers is incredibly difficult, e.g. school having to offer extra incentives. The problem is that the IT curriculum is more about teaching kids how to do other subjects with computers than it is about computers. To teach about computers would require teachers who know about and are interested in computers - but then again, what is computers? It's roughly akin to using English literature lessons to teach students the meanings of their History course texts. That's a cross-curricular approach, and what you were after in the first paragraph. ;) -- Avi. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
I have heard with my own ears teachers complaining about applications having a learning curve. . . why would anyone want to use something in school that didn't have a learning curve I wonder. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
That is a distinctly good question, I have been using computers, in some shape or form, since I was a young child, and without giving my age, that is a long time. And learn something new everyday, so my learning curve could be considered as being decades. Pmt -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: I have heard with my own ears teachers complaining about applications having a learning curve. . . why would anyone want to use something in school that didn't have a learning curve I wonder. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rating software in software centre
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 16:50 +0100, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: * There is however a daily limit of reviews to try and limit bot - api attacks spamming the service to the point of unuse. It maybe that you hit your limit but you should of had an error saying that you couldn't send at that time please try again latter iirc. *** Hi, It was the first thing I wanted to Rate. I couldn't so I went and rated Inkscape and GIMP. I then tried again and it wouldn't rate. I only rated about 3 apps tops. Shutdown, let it rest for a day and tried again but still would not let me rate. Would you mind trying to rate it? works for me but I was the first review so perhaps it got fixed. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
Hiyas, I'm only on just above 'nodding' terms with edubuntu, but have seen that they do have a good support group for the newcomers to it. As it is teachers talking to teachers, they do have a far better understanding of the specifics for classroom / computer labs than we could ever have. It is an excellent variant of the ubuntu family and one that is under appreciated. I actually do so love it when the 'kids' come on and ask how to bypass the security on it Gotta love those kids! For those teachers a liitle afraid and want a bit of hand holding, being able to get over the fear of talking to a 'geek' is possibly a way forward for some (not for all), to extend their computer resources in the current economic climate. With the 'small' plug in computers which are designed to be 'played' with. There does seem to be a loss of the possibility that there are some youngsters who want more than 'shoot them up games' and I know lubuntu is being used to put new life into old kit, the F/OSS environment of which Ubuntu is one of the most actively and well known, the cause is not lost. Maybe Ubuntu-UK would like to propose 'adopt a school / college' - It would certainly get the LoCo about 2,000,000 brownie points for 'all the good things we do' for re-election of the UK LoCo to remain official? just a thought... Regards, Phill. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, scralion...@gmail.com scralion...@gmail.com wrote: That is a distinctly good question, I have been using computers, in some shape or form, since I was a young child, and without giving my age, that is a long time. And learn something new everyday, so my learning curve could be considered as being decades. Pmt -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: I have heard with my own ears teachers complaining about applications having a learning curve. . . why would anyone want to use something in school that didn't have a learning curve I wonder. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 6 June 2011 21:07, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Maybe Ubuntu-UK would like to propose 'adopt a school / college' - It would certainly get the LoCo about 2,000,000 brownie points for 'all the good things we do' for re-election of the UK LoCo to remain official? just a thought... Regards, Phill. Oo, now I like this idea. I'm quite happy to be a point of contact for local schools, run training sessions etc., and if there's enough interest the LoCo might even be able to influence educational policy! Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:19:25 +0100 J Fernyhough wrote: On 6 June 2011 21:07, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Maybe Ubuntu-UK would like to propose 'adopt a school / college' - It would certainly get the LoCo about 2,000,000 brownie points for 'all the good things we do' for re-election of the UK LoCo to remain official? just a thought... Regards, Phill. Oo, now I like this idea. I'm quite happy to be a point of contact for local schools, run training sessions etc., and if there's enough interest the LoCo might even be able to influence educational policy! Jonathon I like this idea too. Let us not forget there is a more generalised group regarding Free Software in Education - www.dfey.org I would be happy to be a point of contact for schools in my area (Plymouth). Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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As some one who pops lubuntu onto old kit, I am certainly up for it in my local area. My problem being that I do get dragged across England for months at a time in my job as 'Holding Mananger' for bars (pubs). If I were to start one here in Warrington, I'd need to know there was some one to take over when I get sent to, say, Carlisle. And for setting one up there, the same would apply. food for thought, but if they can do '1 laptop per kid', I'm sure we can do '1 school / college per lubuntu-uk person'. This is the 1st time I've raised the issue, as I'm used to oh, we'd love to, but it's too complicated sort of answers... My apologies if I have put the cat amongst the pidgeons, but now and again we do have to move out of our 'comfort' zone. (Besides, as a wholly Free Advertising project, we will get more exposure in the media). I've got a few rough ideas in my mind, I am sure the fantastic people like Alan Bell et all, would love to have a go at this. If one of our ubuntu LoCo team people can get Canonical managers shipped to australia to support his resurrection of their LoCo - Nothing is impossible :) Regards, ~Phill. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 June 2011 21:07, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Maybe Ubuntu-UK would like to propose 'adopt a school / college' - It would certainly get the LoCo about 2,000,000 brownie points for 'all the good things we do' for re-election of the UK LoCo to remain official? just a thought... Regards, Phill. Oo, now I like this idea. I'm quite happy to be a point of contact for local schools, run training sessions etc., and if there's enough interest the LoCo might even be able to influence educational policy! Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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** J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com [2011-06-06 19:22]: I agree with much of what you say - I'm going to respond inline for the discussion. On 6 June 2011 18:42, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: J Fernyhough wrote: Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills This is precisely what's *wanted* in order that IT teachers can teach IT. At the moment, the IT taught in school is an introduction to using computers in the other subjects - processing statistics in a spreadsheet, writing essays in a word processor, editing images, that sort of thing. What needs to happen before IT can possibly be expected to start teaching IT is for these basic skills to be taught in the same places as the non-computer-related basic skills. Word processors should be covered in English lessons, spreadsheets in maths or a science, image processing in art, search engines in history and that sort of thing. Yes, and yes. And in many instances this is exactly what happens, and exactly why a school might not value ICT as a discrete subject. If the skills are being taught cross-curricular, then why do we need IT lessons and IT teachers? If IT teachers are teaching what's being taught by other staff, why do they need specific skills? However, for this to happen what would be required is an increase in basic IT skills of all teachers, and that would require a change in their mindset. I think I'm going to disagree here. ICT is a tool that is cross curricular, and as such (and given that it is so significant and ubiquitous) deserves special attention. To be slightly flippant, you don't expect a history teacher to teach English because it is required to read the books ;) That said, some packages are more specific, so I would expect an art teacher to have a solid understanding of graphics packages in order to teach the use of that particular artistic tool just as much as charcoal, watercolour or clay - the level of the study may dictate whether it is a single teacher or (perhaps subject to size of school as well) there are several with differing specialisms within the subject area. What is missing with ICT is the depth of study, and I think that a good chunk of what is taught as ICT is more akin to business studies. snip When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort of programming? Why should an IT teacher be teaching art anyway? See above! snip Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer works (any more than they care how a car works) I suspect they're not overly bothered about trigonometry or the differences between plant cells and animal cells. The point of a curriculum isn't to be interesting. No, but it helps, and it should normally provide some context. It helps most, though, when the teacher is interested in the curriculum (I should highlight that this is possibly the most important thing in teaching). Whilst the majority may not care how a car works, they are at least taught the principles and then some go on to study further. The curriculum defines what knowledge is required, and it is the job of the teacher to make it interesting. Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it. This is untrue in many fields that aren't IT. We seem to manage to provide children with science and maths and $difficultSubject teachers While I accept your point, there's a shortage of Maths and Science teachers. Recruitment of Maths teachers is incredibly difficult, e.g. school having to offer extra incentives. A reasonable part of the shortage of maths and science teachers is the attraction of other jobs that require those skills and pay better, coupled perhaps with the fact that the nature of the disciplines lead to a smaller percentage of those following it being interested in standing in front of a class teaching it (I may be generalising or stereotyping here!). With ICT you have the added disincentive that the curriculum does not appear to cover much that people truly interested in the subject consider important or interesting, borne out by the fact that industry is crying out for skills that are not being taught. The problem is that the IT curriculum is more about teaching kids how to do other subjects with computers than it is about computers. To teach about computers would require teachers who know about and are interested in computers - but then again, what is computers? Chicken and egg I suspect here. When I was at school it was all about the history of computers, logic and programming, and although these days I would expect the balance to change and other areas to be brought in, it would be nice to have
