Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Paul Broadhead]

Phill Whiteside wrote:

> Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]

I have a Thinkpad X31 that is non pae.  It does have over 1GB RAM
however so does not tick all your boxes.  Anyhow, I download the latest
lubuntu beta-1 and created a bootable USB.  Unfortunately, this failed
to boot with the same pae error message that the standard ubuntu 12.04
beta-1 gives.  I'll happily try again with another build

I came across the non pae issue yesterday when I tested the standard
12.04 beat-1 build.  In the end, I got a working system by installing
via the non-pae mini.iso image.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Bruno Girin]

On 04/03/12 22:23, Jim Price wrote:
> On 04/03/12 20:18, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
>> flags   : fpu tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr mca cmov pat pse36
>> mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts
> >
>> The above output shows a CPU that does have PAE support. If the command
>> returns nothing, then the CPU does not have PAE support.
>
> It looks like I don't have any x86 machines which don't have PAE.
> Looking at the processors which don't have it, I'd be surprised if
> many of their motherboards supported as much as 128MB. My PII MMX
> laptop is maxed out at 96MB.

According to Wikipedia [1], Celeron M and Pentium M processors don't
have NX support, which to all intents and purposes means that they
behave as if they had no PAE support. Those are quite recent and would
be found in laptops such as my ThinkPad T42 that has 2GB RAM but can't
boot the latest Ubuntu ISO. So I'll try with the Lubuntu one.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_space_protection#Linux

Cheers,

Bruno


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Jim Price]

On 04/03/12 20:18, Phill Whiteside wrote:

grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
flags   : fpu tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr mca cmov pat pse36
mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts

>

The above output shows a CPU that does have PAE support. If the command
returns nothing, then the CPU does not have PAE support.


It looks like I don't have any x86 machines which don't have PAE. 
Looking at the processors which don't have it, I'd be surprised if many 
of their motherboards supported as much as 128MB. My PII MMX laptop is 
maxed out at 96MB.



For G3, could you try both, we only have one tester with a G3 and he has
not had any success as yet. ppc discussions are also carried out at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1918246 which will keep you up to
date with things that effect "General" ppc systems so as we can determine
which are lubuntu specific.


Lots of reading there.


The lubuntu wiki area on testing is at

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing


I'll dig out the old iMac and see if it still works, and see if I can 
read up on enough stuff to avoid totally embarrassing myself. The 
machine I mentioned which I installed Lubuntu desktop on is choc full of 
development stuff, and other experiments with Precise, so isn't probably 
a good candidate for a testing machine.


Finally (to get my messages off this list) what is the address to send 
emails to the mailing list? I use this list on Gmane - would there be 
any objections to the Lubuntu-qa list being added to Gmane?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Piskie]

On 04/03/12 19:56, Jim Price wrote:

On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:

I have some old machines. How do I tell if they are non PAE?

Try running this in a terminal

sudo dmidecode |grep PAE

If it has the PAE flag it'll show up I believe.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Phill Whiteside]

grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
flags   : fpu tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr mca cmov pat pse36
mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts

The above output shows a CPU that does have PAE support. If the command
returns nothing, then the CPU does not have PAE support.

For G3, could you try both, we only have one tester with a G3 and he has
not had any success as yet. ppc discussions are also carried out at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1918246 which will keep you up to
date with things that effect "General" ppc systems so as we can determine
which are lubuntu specific.

The lubuntu wiki area on testing is at

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing

Regards,


Phill.

On 4 March 2012 19:56, Jim Price  wrote:

> On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> Hiyas,
>>
>> Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]
>>
>> We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE
>> chipsets
>> as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install actually will
>> work.
>> We only have one with actual hardware as yet, the others are doing it via
>> VM.
>>
>
> I have some old machines. How do I tell if they are non PAE?
>
>
>  We are also testing mac-ppc stuff, seems okay on G4 with quibbles, but an
>> extra G3 equipped person would allow a bug to be confirmed as we only have
>> one person.
>>
>
> I also have a slot loading iMac G3 400MHz machine - currently with Ubuntu
> 8.04 on it, and somewhat unused at the moment. Should I download the
> desktop or alternate CD to install on that machine?
>
>
>  For the "new" Intel-Macs, again, we only have one - but that will only get
>> a bug heat if we have a couple of testers: If you know of any one who
>> could
>> help on these, please join the lubuntu-qa team, so far it looks still
>> possible.
>>
>
> I've just signed up - what happens next?
>
>
>  The beta 1's are at the usual place
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**PrecisePangolin/**TechnicalOverview/Beta1
>>
>> The dailies, as always are spilt between Desktop and alternate. If you
>> need
>> more information on testing
>>
>
> That's me that is!
>
>  but think you do not know how to do so, please
>> do reply - Honest, we do not bite from any of the testing teams. It is
>> frequently that the new comers say something is wrong&  the rest of us go
>>
>> "Dho!, who did we miss that one?"
>>
>> Please do not see my request to UK list as any attempt to favour one
>> flavour of *buntu over an other. Each flavour has an important section in
>> our family.
>>
>
> I've just installed lubuntu-desktop on my Precise machine, and I have to
> say I quite like it already.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Jim Price]

On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hiyas,

Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]

We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE chipsets
as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install actually will work.
We only have one with actual hardware as yet, the others are doing it via
VM.


I have some old machines. How do I tell if they are non PAE?


We are also testing mac-ppc stuff, seems okay on G4 with quibbles, but an
extra G3 equipped person would allow a bug to be confirmed as we only have
one person.


I also have a slot loading iMac G3 400MHz machine - currently with 
Ubuntu 8.04 on it, and somewhat unused at the moment. Should I download 
the desktop or alternate CD to install on that machine?



For the "new" Intel-Macs, again, we only have one - but that will only get
a bug heat if we have a couple of testers: If you know of any one who could
help on these, please join the lubuntu-qa team, so far it looks still
possible.


I've just signed up - what happens next?


The beta 1's are at the usual place
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1

The dailies, as always are spilt between Desktop and alternate. If you need
more information on testing


That's me that is!


but think you do not know how to do so, please
do reply - Honest, we do not bite from any of the testing teams. It is
frequently that the new comers say something is wrong&  the rest of us go
"Dho!, who did we miss that one?"

Please do not see my request to UK list as any attempt to favour one
flavour of *buntu over an other. Each flavour has an important section in
our family.


I've just installed lubuntu-desktop on my Precise machine, and I have to 
say I quite like it already.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi, any of the old systems would be good. The team at lubuntu are doggedly
committed to keep a flavour of the ubuntu family available for older
computers, not just the quad core 8GB RAM systems :)

So as we don't bore people on this mailing list, and in my usual futile
attempt to herd cats there is a mailing list for lubuntu qa testing via
https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Do feel free to join the group.

Regards,

Phill.

On 4 March 2012 16:31, Andres Muniz  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> - Mensaje original -
> > On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> > > Hiyas,
> > >
> > > Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]
> > >
> > > We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE
> > > chipsets as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install
> > > actually will work. We only have one with actual hardware as yet, the
> > > others are doing it via VM.
> > >
> > > We are also testing mac-ppc stuff, seems okay on G4 with quibbles, but
> > > an extra G3 equipped person would allow a bug to be confirmed as we
> > > only have one person.
> > >
> > > For the "new" Intel-Macs, again, we only have one - but that will only
> > > get a bug heat if we have a couple of testers: If you know of any one
> > > who could help on these, please join the lubuntu-qa team, so far it
> > > looks still possible.
> > >
> > > The beta 1's are at the usual place
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
> > >
> > > The dailies, as always are spilt between Desktop and alternate. If you
> > > need more information on testing but think you do not know how to do
> > > so, please do reply - Honest, we do not bite from any of the testing
> > > teams. It is frequently that the new comers say something is wrong &
> > > the rest of us go "Dho!, who did we miss that one?"
> > >
> > > Please do not see my request to UK list as any attempt to favour one
> > > flavour of *buntu over an other. Each flavour has an important section
> > > in our family.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Phill.
> > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
> > > [2] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
> > > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
> >
> > I have an old PC or two I will have a look tomorrow.
> > downloading lubuntu b1 alt torrent now
> >
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> >
> >
> I have an old laptop but probably around 256 ram maybe even a 512. Problem
> i had in the past was the screen resolution never matched and since the
> taskbar was on the bottom i could not see it. Had to do some xrandr thing
> that i never understood but worked. Built-in wifi and pcmcia wifi (SMC) did
> not work in the past either (this was 2 years ago). I'll give it a go. If
> it is useful.
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[Andres Muniz]

 


- Mensaje original -
> On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> > Hiyas,
> > 
> > Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]
> > 
> > We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE
> > chipsets as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install
> > actually will work. We only have one with actual hardware as yet, the
> > others are doing it via VM.
> > 
> > We are also testing mac-ppc stuff, seems okay on G4 with quibbles, but
> > an extra G3 equipped person would allow a bug to be confirmed as we
> > only have one person.
> > 
> > For the "new" Intel-Macs, again, we only have one - but that will only
> > get a bug heat if we have a couple of testers: If you know of any one
> > who could help on these, please join the lubuntu-qa team, so far it
> > looks still possible.
> > 
> > The beta 1's are at the usual place
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
> > 
> > The dailies, as always are spilt between Desktop and alternate. If you
> > need more information on testing but think you do not know how to do
> > so, please do reply - Honest, we do not bite from any of the testing
> > teams. It is frequently that the new comers say something is wrong &
> > the rest of us go "Dho!, who did we miss that one?"
> > 
> > Please do not see my request to UK list as any attempt to favour one
> > flavour of *buntu over an other. Each flavour has an important section
> > in our family.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Phill.
> > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
> > [2] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
> > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
> 
> I have an old PC or two I will have a look tomorrow.
> downloading lubuntu b1 alt torrent now
> 
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> 
> 
I have an old laptop  but probably around 256 ram maybe even a 512. Problem i 
had in the past was the screen resolution never matched and since the taskbar 
was on the bottom i could not see it. Had to do some xrandr thing that i never 
understood but worked. Built-in wifi and pcmcia wifi (SMC) did not work in the 
past either (this was 2 years ago). I'll give it a go. If it is useful.



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[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: dig out your old computers...

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Alan,

yeah, that would be great.

Thanks,

Phill.


On 4 March 2012 14:41, alan c  wrote:

> On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> > Hiyas,
> >
> > Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]
> >
> > We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE
> chipsets
> > as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install actually will
> work.
> > We only have one with actual hardware as yet, the others are doing it via
> > VM.
>
> [...]
>
> > The beta 1's are at the usual place
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
> >
> > The dailies, as always are spilt between Desktop and alternate. If you
> need
> > more information on testing but think you do not know how to do so,
> please
> > do reply - Honest, we do not bite from any of the testing teams. It is
> > frequently that the new comers say something is wrong & the rest of us go
> > "Dho!, who did we miss that one?"
> >
> > Please do not see my request to UK list as any attempt to favour one
> > flavour of *buntu over an other. Each flavour has an important section in
> > our family.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Phill.
>
> [...]
>
> > [2] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
> > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
>
> I have a Pentium II machine which is available to run some tests on.
> It has 256MB ram currently  and I think I can remove some for tests.
> I guess that it will naturally pick up non pae (?) install.
>
> Initially it had/has Ubuntu 7.04 which was/is ok. And Windows 98.
>
> I intend to use Lubuntu beta 1 alternate CD to install in place of the
> Ubuntu  - in fact into
> dev/hda2 continuing its status as a dual boot PC because win98 is in
> dev/hda1
>
> I intend to take the RAM down to 128MB for the test install.
>
> Phill, Does this sound what is needed?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

[alan c]

On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hiyas,
> 
> Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2]
> 
> We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE chipsets
> as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install actually will work.
> We only have one with actual hardware as yet, the others are doing it via
> VM.

[...]

> The beta 1's are at the usual place
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
> 
> The dailies, as always are spilt between Desktop and alternate. If you need
> more information on testing but think you do not know how to do so, please
> do reply - Honest, we do not bite from any of the testing teams. It is
> frequently that the new comers say something is wrong & the rest of us go
> "Dho!, who did we miss that one?"
> 
> Please do not see my request to UK list as any attempt to favour one
> flavour of *buntu over an other. Each flavour has an important section in
> our family.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phill.

[...]

> [2] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements

I have a Pentium II machine which is available to run some tests on.
It has 256MB ram currently  and I think I can remove some for tests.
I guess that it will naturally pick up non pae (?) install.

Initially it had/has Ubuntu 7.04 which was/is ok. And Windows 98.

I intend to use Lubuntu beta 1 alternate CD to install in place of the
Ubuntu  - in fact into
dev/hda2 continuing its status as a dual boot PC because win98 is in
dev/hda1

I intend to take the RAM down to 128MB for the test install.

Phill, Does this sound what is needed?
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