Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing
On 08/04/12 20:03, Norman Silverstone wrote: snip I think we all ought to shout at the gimp folk. Gimp is an incredibly capable program, and it is also the least intuitive and least workable that I have ever seen! If the Gimp folk wanted to sell it for cash, there would be no chance! It seems to me that FOSS developers never talk to potential (non-geek) users. It's high time ordinary folk like us (folk who use and don't develop) got ourselves a voice. Once upon a time ordinary folk did have a voice which was welcomed. I know because I was one of them. I was one of the first non-technical users of Ubuntu and was used as a bit of a guinea-pig by one of my sons who worked for Canonical. It was all very new to me and I found and filed bugs. But, as Canonical became more complex and diverse, so the sort of help which users like me could give appeared to be of less and less use to developers. When the other people in your street start using Ubuntu they will be novices, and it is interesting to see that systematic testing is slanted in that direction. Canonical take user testing seriously and this is done in a systematic and documented way. (This does not mean of course that one's own tastes are catered for) A bunch of links I have just found http://design.canonical.com/2012/03/about-usability-testing-recruiting/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/user-testing-of-unity-reveals-some-surprising-results/ http://design.canonical.com/2012/02/the-unity-design-process-and-how-you-can-play-a-part-in-it/ http://design.canonical.com/2011/04/unity-benchmark-usability-april-2011/ http://design.canonical.com/2010/11/usability-testing-of-unity/ -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing
We're collating this round of testing at 07:00 UTC on Monday but if you do find any bugs over the next few weeks, do please let us know. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope I run as many of the test I could. I installed a spare drive into a Dell latitude D610 laptop and installed from DVD. I have run all previous versions of Ubuntu on this machine since 8.04 and its always seen my wireless card and compiz has always worked ok. I know its not a powerful machine by a long shot but it seemed to be running real slow. It turns out compiz kept crashing which meant the desktop would freeze up completely. I had to drop to the console and kill X and checkbox to restart. I got cheesed off after a while so skipped the last bunch of tests. So my question is, when compiz dies is it expected the desktop just freezes? In gnome on my work machine which still runs 10.04 all windows clutter onto one workspace and at least you can get a terminal and issue the compiz --replace command to rescue your desktop, and save any work. I did get a error pop up when compiz died but it said something along the lines that its not a core ubuntu component and so I couldn't submit a error report. Do I just submit a separate manual bug for the desktop issue? Cheers Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? -- Regards, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 9 April 2012 09:24, Bill Baker boo...@gmail.com wrote: This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? -- There is a point about the Ubuntu OS privacy policy being available somewhere as it doesn't seem to be immediately obvious, but the Privacy Control Panel is exactly the opposite of what the author seems to think it is, being what is currently known as Activity Log Manager actually finding a place in the standard installation. Activity Log Manager controls what Zeitgeist, the subsystem that monitors your activity and converts it into suggested activities and files on the Dash, shows you. The writer either didn't understand that or chose not to. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Go on Bobby, both barrels -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 09:24, Bill Baker wrote: This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? That whole article appears to be a journalist saying I have no idea what this stuff is. This is a bit sad as the journalist in question could have actually done some finding out, and then explained to the readership what it was rather than publishing a content free article. Ubuntu has something in it called zeitgeist. This tracks lots of stuff you do with the objective of making the computer better able to anticipate what you are going to do next and be more helpful about it. Quite a lot of applications in the file menu show recently used files. This is tracking you, but most rational people don't see it that way. The privacy control now allows you to control this kind of thing - and opt out. You should not be worried that there are privacy controls available. You should be worried about operating systems and devices that *don't* have privacy controls built in. In terms of stuff submitted to Canonical, this is crash traces that get automatically added to bugs (Windows has a submit to Microsoft button when things crash - but in that case it vanishes inside Redmond never to be seen again rather than on a public bug report you can view yourself) Alan -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On Mon, 2012-04-09 at 10:29 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 09/04/12 09:24, Bill Baker wrote: This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? That whole article appears to be a journalist saying I have no idea what this stuff is. This is a bit sad as the journalist in question could have actually done some finding out, and then explained to the readership what it was rather than publishing a content free article. Ubuntu has something in it called zeitgeist. This tracks lots of stuff you do with the objective of making the computer better able to anticipate what you are going to do next and be more helpful about it. Quite a lot of applications in the file menu show recently used files. This is tracking you, but most rational people don't see it that way. The privacy control now allows you to control this kind of thing - and opt out. You should not be worried that there are privacy controls available. You should be worried about operating systems and devices that *don't* have privacy controls built in. In terms of stuff submitted to Canonical, this is crash traces that get automatically added to bugs (Windows has a submit to Microsoft button when things crash - but in that case it vanishes inside Redmond never to be seen again rather than on a public bug report you can view yourself) Alan -- THIS [the above from Alan] is *exactly* the reply the informationally disadvantaged article /or author I had in mind. -- Regards, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing
snip That's a shame. I'd be interested in knowing exactly which test it was and we can fix the text description pretty easily for future tests. For example I am asked to run gedit. No problem, I go to Applications, Accessories and select Text Editor. Problem, there is no heading Applications. I could of course select a terminal and type gedit and press enter - problem where do I find a terminal. I move on and I am asked to run nautilus. As far as I am concerned nautilus is or was a submarine. Checkbox does have the option to skip this test which enables you to move onto a test which you understand or can perform. When I first saw the email about testing I thought it was a great idea. At my age time is not a problem and so I could start to learn about the latest version of Ubuntu and, at the same time, return something to help the developers. My fear now is that if I continue with more tests I may produce misleading data causing the developers more hindrance than help. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:29:02 +0100 Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 09/04/12 09:24, Bill Baker wrote: This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? That whole article appears to be a journalist saying I have no idea what this stuff is. This is a bit sad as the journalist in question could have actually done some finding out, and then explained to the readership what it was rather than publishing a content free article. The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. -- Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing
On 08/04/12 20:41, Alan Pope wrote: Interesting feedback Barry. I certainly didn't expect this, but then I naïvely expected people on this list to have taken a look at 12.04 previously, and be familiar with the basics. Thanks for highlighting this. Maybe a bit of over-reaction on my part. But I've spent the last couple of years moving ordinary non-computer literate Windows folk over to Ubuntu. My wife, my sister various friends etc. My sister's stepdaughter was horrified - 'Linux is for geeks ...' Then she took a look at it and realised that Ubuntu is very user-friendly. For her many sins, she now works for Spec-Savers need I say more The thing is, I've trained myself to think like a non-geek who is familiar with Microsoft Windows, and is now using Ubuntu. Thinking in that way rules out words like 'panel', 'dash', 'launcher' and many many more as well as program names such as nautilus. If my friend Heidi phones, I'm not going to say 'Open the dash ... ' but rather, left click on the top icon on the column on the left of your screen, then left click the icon at the bottom that looks a bit like a ruler and two candles' (what on earth the apps icon is supposed to be is quite beyond me ). And by the way, isn't a 'window' something for looking out of? Get the drift? If we keep checking ourselves, we'll be amazed how much geek-speak we use. Having said all that, just as soon as my Raspberry Pi arrives, I'm going to be in the local school trying to make sure that the next generation gets kick-started in real computer literacy just as my son and I were with the Sinclair ZX81 . ah, those were the days. Kind regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 10:20, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 9 April 2012 09:24, Bill Baker boo...@gmail.com mailto:boo...@gmail.com wrote: This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? -- There is a point about the Ubuntu OS privacy policy being available somewhere as it doesn't seem to be immediately obvious, but the Privacy Control Panel is exactly the opposite of what the author seems to think it is, being what is currently known as Activity Log Manager actually finding a place in the standard installation. Activity Log Manager controls what Zeitgeist, the subsystem that monitors your activity and converts it into suggested activities and files on the Dash, shows you. The writer either didn't understand that or chose not to. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Go on Bobby, both barrels I have no issue with the OS recording what gets used / downloaded most often, and what gets downloaded, if it helps canonical make better choices as to waht to include on cd's for example and gives feedback to developers as to what is popular I know windows tells users what is installed and what gets used and how often it helps when removing packages etc. Paul -- -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.ubuntu.com skype : psutton111 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing
On 09/04/12 12:22, Barry Drake wrote: On 08/04/12 20:41, Alan Pope wrote: Interesting feedback Barry. I certainly didn't expect this, but then I naïvely expected people on this list to have taken a look at 12.04 previously, and be familiar with the basics. Thanks for highlighting this. Maybe a bit of over-reaction on my part. But I've spent the last couple of years moving ordinary non-computer literate Windows folk over to Ubuntu. My wife, my sister various friends etc. My sister's stepdaughter was horrified - 'Linux is for geeks ...' Then she took a look at it and realised that Ubuntu is very user-friendly. For her many sins, she now works for Spec-Savers need I say more The thing is, I've trained myself to think like a non-geek who is familiar with Microsoft Windows, and is now using Ubuntu. Thinking in that way rules out words like 'panel', 'dash', 'launcher' and many many more as well as program names such as nautilus. If my friend Heidi phones, I'm not going to say 'Open the dash ... ' but rather, left click on the top icon on the column on the left of your screen, then left click the icon at the bottom that looks a bit like a ruler and two candles' (what on earth the apps icon is supposed to be is quite beyond me ). And by the way, isn't a 'window' something for looking out of? Get the drift? If we keep checking ourselves, we'll be amazed how much geek-speak we use. Having said all that, just as soon as my Raspberry Pi arrives, I'm going to be in the local school trying to make sure that the next generation gets kick-started in real computer literacy just as my son and I were with the Sinclair ZX81 . ah, those were the days. My experience and approach is very close indeed to Barry's -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Screen power off timing
Hi, i was watching a film today and i wanted the screen to go off some time after i was done watching the film. I found the max time for screen to go off is either 1 hour or never. Is there a way to set it to 2 or 3 hours. Or maybe a costume time?-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 9 April 2012 14:37, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? I think that your comments made it clear /where/ the information is being stored (on the PC not off on the internet somewhere) and /why/ (for the users convenience not for snooping purposes). You may think that these things are obvious but that is not necessarily correct. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 15:16, Colin Law wrote: On 9 April 2012 14:37, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? I think that your comments made it clear /where/ the information is being stored (on the PC not off on the internet somewhere) and /why/ (for the users convenience not for snooping purposes). You may think that these things are obvious but that is not necessarily correct. That sounds like the sort of details that should go in the existing bug report to help clarify it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/activity-log-manager/+bug/967056 Colin, do you want to do that so that you can express it in your own words? Otherwise I'm happy to add more details to the comments so that the developers understand the nature of the problem. I should probably install activity-log-manager so that I can see for myself what the whole thing is about :-) Cheers, Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 9 April 2012 16:18, Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/04/12 15:16, Colin Law wrote: On 9 April 2012 14:37, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? I think that your comments made it clear /where/ the information is being stored (on the PC not off on the internet somewhere) and /why/ (for the users convenience not for snooping purposes). You may think that these things are obvious but that is not necessarily correct. That sounds like the sort of details that should go in the existing bug report to help clarify it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/activity-log-manager/+bug/967056 Colin, do you want to do that so that you can express it in your own words? Otherwise I'm happy to add more details to the comments so that the developers understand the nature of the problem. I should probably install activity-log-manager so that I can see for myself what the whole thing is about :-) I have added my comments, but anyone with any input should do the same I think. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 16:46, Colin Law wrote: On 9 April 2012 16:18, Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/04/12 15:16, Colin Law wrote: On 9 April 2012 14:37, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? I think that your comments made it clear /where/ the information is being stored (on the PC not off on the internet somewhere) and /why/ (for the users convenience not for snooping purposes). You may think that these things are obvious but that is not necessarily correct. That sounds like the sort of details that should go in the existing bug report to help clarify it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/activity-log-manager/+bug/967056 Colin, do you want to do that so that you can express it in your own words? Otherwise I'm happy to add more details to the comments so that the developers understand the nature of the problem. I should probably install activity-log-manager so that I can see for myself what the whole thing is about :-) I have added my comments, but anyone with any input should do the same I think. I've added my own comment to the bug report, mostly in line with what you say. Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:16:31 +0100 Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9 April 2012 14:37, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? I think that your comments made it clear /where/ the information is being stored (on the PC not off on the internet somewhere) and /why/ (for the users convenience not for snooping purposes). You may think that these things are obvious but that is not necessarily correct. Thanks Colin, that's what I was trying to say. I've been at my parents today and showed it to them to see what they thought. They're both Ubuntu users but rarely fiddle with settings. To say they were baffled would be an understatement. They really weren't sure what was being recorded and benefits it had. The relationship of the two buttons in the Recent Items tab also baffled them. Did the RH button save things for an hour, day, week, etc. or was that what the LH Delete History button deletes. I'll add this to the bug and thanks again to Colin for his excellent explanation of the problems on the bug thread. -- Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Youtube colour is wrong
hi, looks like you tube shows in shades of blue. Really wierd. i was able to see a bbc film alright though. I'm using firefox on ubuntu 11.10. Probably some configuration that my toddler pressed that i have no way to find out. By the way: if you want to test os and apps use a toddler as as a beta tester. Any clues would be great to know.-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Youtube colour is wrong
On 09/04/12 20:34, Andres Muniz wrote: hi, looks like you tube shows in shades of blue. Really wierd. i was able to see a bbc film alright though. I'm using firefox on ubuntu 11.10. Probably some configuration that my toddler pressed that i have no way to find out. By the way: if you want to test os and apps use a toddler as as a beta tester. Any clues would be great to know. Though I can understand wanting to blame a toddler - been there done that ... It's not ;) There are a few fixes kicking about. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11824089postcount=1 Kev -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 9 April 2012 19:20, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:16:31 +0100 Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9 April 2012 14:37, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? I think that your comments made it clear /where/ the information is being stored (on the PC not off on the internet somewhere) and /why/ (for the users convenience not for snooping purposes). You may think that these things are obvious but that is not necessarily correct. Thanks Colin, that's what I was trying to say. I've been at my parents today and showed it to them to see what they thought. They're both Ubuntu users but rarely fiddle with settings. To say they were baffled would be an understatement. They really weren't sure what was being recorded and benefits it had. The relationship of the two buttons in the Recent Items tab also baffled them. Did the RH button save things for an hour, day, week, etc. or was that what the LH Delete History button deletes. I'll add this to the bug and thanks again to Colin for his excellent explanation of the problems on the bug thread. You are right about the buttons being confusing. The clue to the right hand button is in the heading Forget Activities, it clears the data for the period specified in the button (the last hour or whatever). The heading is too far from the button however. It is the age old problem of someone who knows how to do something writing the instructions, it is not easy to put yourself into the mind of someone who is coming at it for the first time. (To assemble: Insert sprogget B into cordwangle C as shown in diagram XVII) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:48:15 +0100 Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: I've been at my parents today and showed it to them to see what they thought. They're both Ubuntu users but rarely fiddle with settings. To say they were baffled would be an understatement. They really weren't sure what was being recorded and benefits it had. The relationship of the two buttons in the Recent Items tab also baffled them. Did the RH button save things for an hour, day, week, etc. or was that what the LH Delete History button deletes. I'll add this to the bug and thanks again to Colin for his excellent explanation of the problems on the bug thread. You are right about the buttons being confusing. The clue to the right hand button is in the heading Forget Activities, it clears the data for the period specified in the button (the last hour or whatever). The heading is too far from the button however. It is the age old problem of someone who knows how to do something writing the instructions, it is not easy to put yourself into the mind of someone who is coming at it for the first time. (To assemble: Insert sprogget B into cordwangle C as shown in diagram XVII) I know what it's like trying to write instructions for people. Trying to get 'just enough' information so people can follow them and 'chapter-and-verse' which causes people to skip things as they don't want to read it all is very hard. Privacy is a very problematic area because a lot of people have a hard time understanding it. -- Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
