Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 July 2014 23:36, John Oliver  wrote:
> Should it not match the wording already used in Nautilus preferences?
> Namely, "Arrange icons by name".
>
> Being a person who likes cohesive approaches, that would be my preferred
> translation.
>

This would make sense (as well as being shorterisated).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[John Oliver]

Should it not match the wording already used in Nautilus preferences?
Namely, "Arrange icons by name".

Being a person who likes cohesive approaches, that would be my preferred
translation.

On 30/07/14 23:22, Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
>> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>   "Sort by name"
>
> There, I shorterised it.
>
>   -Paul
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[George DiceGeorge]

There, I shorterised it.
-Paul

shortened?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Paul Sladen]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...

  "Sort by name"

There, I shorterised it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Anthony Harrington]

On 30/07/14 21:35, J Fernyhough wrote:
> On 30 July 2014 20:51, Anthony Harrington
>  wrote:
>> On 30/07/14 20:23, Bruno Girin wrote:
>>> On 30 July 2014 18:51, J Fernyhough  wrote:
>>> On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
 On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>>>
>> OED says yes :)
>>
>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
 Oh god. I give up.

 Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?

 The yanks have a lot to answer for.

 Bah humbug.

 Al
>>>
>>> I think the term is now "verbise".
>>>
>>> (I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong with the 
>>> established "Sort desktop icons by name")
>>
>> I agree. I immediately understand "Sort desktop icons by name" while I have 
>> to think twice to understand "Alphabetise Desktop Icons" so I'd prefer the 
>> former as it's more explicit.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>> Isn't 'sort desktop icons by name' a bit wordy/long though? You are 
>> essentially 'alphabetising' them?
>>
>>
> I'll lean on my teaching experience here. While "Sort desktop icons by
> name" has more words it's far easier to understand and process.
>
> Sort
> desktop icons
> by name
>
> It makes sense and all words are one or two syllables. "Alphabetise"
> is not only a difficult word to read, it's too long to read in one go
> (people read primarily by word shape not by individual letters; also
> notice how you (probably) have to move your eyes to read "alpha" and
> "betise" separately).
>
> Finally, I'd argue the actual length difference is negligible:
>
> Alphabetise = 11 chars
> Sort by name = 12 chars inc. spaces
>
> "Never utilise a lengthier word on the occasion a shorter equivalent
> will suffice."
>
>
> Jonathon
>

"Never utilise a lengthier word on the occasion a shorter equivalent
will suffice."

^ exactly the intent.
I had no idea there would be disdain for such a harmless word as
'alphabetise' much less that it was /difficult to read/(?), but if the
consensus is for 'sort by name', i'll have the team see to it for Utopic.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[YaManicKill]

My father calls it "verbification". Quite an amusing and ironic explanation
really.
On 30 Jul 2014 18:11, "Alan Lord (News)"  wrote:

> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>
>>>
 "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...


>>> OED says yes :)
>>>
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/
>>> alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>>>
>>
> Oh god. I give up.
>
> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
> Bah humbug.
>
> Al
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 July 2014 20:51, Anthony Harrington
 wrote:
> On 30/07/14 20:23, Bruno Girin wrote:
>> On 30 July 2014 18:51, J Fernyhough  wrote:
>> On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
>>> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
 On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
 Alan Pope  wrote:
>>
>> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>>
> OED says yes :)
>
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>>>
>>> Oh god. I give up.
>>>
>>> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>>>
>>> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>>>
>>> Bah humbug.
>>>
>>> Al
>>
>>
>> I think the term is now "verbise".
>>
>> (I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong with the 
>> established "Sort desktop icons by name")
>
>
> I agree. I immediately understand "Sort desktop icons by name" while I have 
> to think twice to understand "Alphabetise Desktop Icons" so I'd prefer the 
> former as it's more explicit.
>
> Bruno
>
> Isn't 'sort desktop icons by name' a bit wordy/long though? You are 
> essentially 'alphabetising' them?
>
>

I'll lean on my teaching experience here. While "Sort desktop icons by
name" has more words it's far easier to understand and process.

Sort
desktop icons
by name

It makes sense and all words are one or two syllables. "Alphabetise"
is not only a difficult word to read, it's too long to read in one go
(people read primarily by word shape not by individual letters; also
notice how you (probably) have to move your eyes to read "alpha" and
"betise" separately).

Finally, I'd argue the actual length difference is negligible:

Alphabetise = 11 chars
Sort by name = 12 chars inc. spaces

"Never utilise a lengthier word on the occasion a shorter equivalent
will suffice."


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Anthony Harrington]

On 30/07/14 20:23, Bruno Girin wrote:
>
>
>
> On 30 July 2014 18:51, J Fernyhough  > wrote:
>
> On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  > wrote:
>
> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
> Alan Pope mailto:a...@popey.com>> wrote:
>
>
> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>
>
> OED says yes :)
>
> 
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
>
> Oh god. I give up.
>
> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
> Bah humbug.
>
> Al
>
>
>
> I think the term is now "verbise".
>
> (I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong
> with the established "Sort desktop icons by name")
>
>
> I agree. I immediately understand "Sort desktop icons by name" while I
> have to think twice to understand "Alphabetise Desktop Icons" so I'd
> prefer the former as it's more explicit.
>
> Bruno
>
>
Isn't 'sort desktop icons by name' a bit wordy/long though? You are
essentially 'alphabetising' them?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Anthony Harrington]

Isn't 'sort desktop icons by name' a bit long though?

On 30/07/14 20:23, Bruno Girin wrote:
>
>
>
> On 30 July 2014 18:51, J Fernyhough  > wrote:
>
> On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  > wrote:
>
> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
> Alan Pope mailto:a...@popey.com>> wrote:
>
>
> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>
>
> OED says yes :)
>
> 
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
>
> Oh god. I give up.
>
> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
> Bah humbug.
>
> Al
>
>
>
> I think the term is now "verbise".
>
> (I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong
> with the established "Sort desktop icons by name")
>
>
> I agree. I immediately understand "Sort desktop icons by name" while I
> have to think twice to understand "Alphabetise Desktop Icons" so I'd
> prefer the former as it's more explicit.
>
> Bruno
>
>


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Anthony Harrington]

On 30/07/14 17:36, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
> ONG!
>
> I just hapened to right click on my 14.04 desktop and saw the option to
>
> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>
> Really?
>
> Al
>
>
I'll field this one as i'm responsible!

I thought that'd be a bit more logical than the default "Sort Desktop By
Name" -  to the average user this isn't clear at all. You can't /sort /a
desktop?
Of course it means to say 'sort desktop icons in alphabetical order', so
why is 'alphabetise desktop icons' a bad label when it hits closer to
the mark while being shorter? And "alphabetise" is certainly a word.

Do you have another suggestion?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Bruno Girin]

On 30 July 2014 18:51, J Fernyhough  wrote:

> On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
>
>> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>>> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>>

> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>
>
 OED says yes :)

 http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/
 alphabetize?q=alphabetise

 Cheers,
 Al.

>>>
>> Oh god. I give up.
>>
>> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>>
>> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>>
>> Bah humbug.
>>
>> Al
>>
>
>
> I think the term is now "verbise".
>
> (I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong with the
> established "Sort desktop icons by name")
>

I agree. I immediately understand "Sort desktop icons by name" while I have
to think twice to understand "Alphabetise Desktop Icons" so I'd prefer the
former as it's more explicit.

Bruno
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:

> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>
>>>
 "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...


>>> OED says yes :)
>>>
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/
>>> alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>>>
>>
> Oh god. I give up.
>
> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
> Bah humbug.
>
> Al
>


I think the term is now "verbise".

(I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong with the
established "Sort desktop icons by name")

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[John Oliver]

Personally I always preferred Windows' answer to arranging desktop icons, but 
true to what the GNOME 3 team said a few years ago, despite the response they 
got including myself, I've actually stopped using it for icons now (I use Unity 
14.04). 

I still have some on my Windows 7 desktop but that's because the start menu in 
W7 is not nearly as good for searching for programs as Gnome 3, Unity or 
Windows 8 start screen. 

Whoops, probably a little OT, sorry about that!

Regards, John Oliver

 Alan Lord (News) wrote 

>On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>> Alan Pope  wrote:

 "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...

>>>
>>> OED says yes :)
>>>
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>
>Oh god. I give up.
>
>Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
>The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
>Bah humbug.
>
>Al
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Alan Lord (News)]

On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
Alan Pope  wrote:


"Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...



OED says yes :)

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise

Cheers,
Al.


Oh god. I give up.

Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?

The yanks have a lot to answer for.

Bah humbug.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Dave Morley]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
Alan Pope  wrote:

> On 30 July 2014 17:36, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
> > I just hapened to right click on my 14.04 desktop and saw the
> > option to
> >
> > "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
> >
> 
> OED says yes :)
> 
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

S's tend to be Oxford Spellings Z's tend to be Cambridge oh and American

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Alan Pope]

On 30 July 2014 17:36, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
> I just hapened to right click on my 14.04 desktop and saw the option to
>
> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>

OED says yes :)

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise

Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[Alan Lord (News)]

ONG!

I just hapened to right click on my 14.04 desktop and saw the option to

"Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...

Really?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Connecting To Remote Servers

[Liam Proven]

On 30 July 2014 11:28, Grant Phillips-Sewell
 wrote:
> Have you considered either NFS or SMB?


That is more or less what I was going to say.

It gives my hardcore-Unix-head friends the creeping horrors, but I
usually use SMB (or as MS like to call it now, CIFS) rather than NFS
-- I find it easier.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Connecting To Remote Servers

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On 30/07/14 10:22, Nigel Verity wrote:

Gigolo, Nautilus and Nemo make it very easy to connect to a server but, as far 
as I can see, only using an SFTP connection. This means you can copy files 
backwards and forwards, but not use remote data as if it were local.
You /can/ open and use files this way. For example if I need to make 
quick changes to a text file on a remote server I will open it up in 
gEdit, make the changes and save.


Here is a link to what I am talking about. Note everything is remote 
over SSH but acts as if its local via gvfs - http://i.imgur.com/AwnmOB2.jpg


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Connecting To Remote Servers

[Alan Lord]

On 30/07/14 10:22, Nigel Verity wrote:


My goal is to mount a remote server (another PC in my house) to a folder so 
that its contents can be used as if it were local data. SSHFS does this, but it 
is command line only.


Just stick the mount point in your fstab:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Connecting To Remote Servers

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On 30 July 2014 10:22, Nigel Verity  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'd like to pick people's brains, if I may, on connecting to remote
> servers.
>
> My goal is to mount a remote server (another PC in my house) to a folder
> so that its contents can be used as if it were local data. SSHFS does this,
> but it is command line only.
>
> Gigolo, Nautilus and Nemo make it very easy to connect to a server but, as
> far as I can see, only using an SFTP connection. This means you can copy
> files backwards and forwards, but not use remote data as if it were local.
>
> I am very happy using SSHFS but others in my family are not safe to be let
> loose on the command line. I could write a script and place an icon on the
> desktop to run it but, before I do, is anybody aware of a GUI front end to
> SSHFS, or any tricks which might let me achieve my goals with Gigolo or
> Nautilus/Nemo?
>
>
SSHFS is just a filesystem and you should be able to open any file mounted
over it on any device that supports it. The only issue you will have is
persistence of your network connection. Essentially you use a URL like
sshfs://server.name/path/to/file as a link and providing the connection is
there it can be opened in the application that you define for it in the
desktop icon.

NFS is an alternative but it's actually less secure than sshfs now as it
doesn't have native encryption, although it's better supported outside of
the Linux desktop.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Connecting To Remote Servers

[Grant Phillips-Sewell]

Have you considered either NFS or SMB?

Grant
On 30 Jul 2014 10:22, "Nigel Verity"  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'd like to pick people's brains, if I may, on connecting to remote
> servers.
>
> My goal is to mount a remote server (another PC in my house) to a folder
> so that its contents can be used as if it were local data. SSHFS does this,
> but it is command line only.
>
> Gigolo, Nautilus and Nemo make it very easy to connect to a server but, as
> far as I can see, only using an SFTP connection. This means you can copy
> files backwards and forwards, but not use remote data as if it were local.
>
> I am very happy using SSHFS but others in my family are not safe to be let
> loose on the command line. I could write a script and place an icon on the
> desktop to run it but, before I do, is anybody aware of a GUI front end to
> SSHFS, or any tricks which might let me achieve my goals with Gigolo or
> Nautilus/Nemo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nige
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[ubuntu-uk] Connecting To Remote Servers

[Nigel Verity]

Hi

I'd like to pick people's brains, if I may, on connecting to remote servers.

My goal is to mount a remote server (another PC in my house) to a folder so 
that its contents can be used as if it were local data. SSHFS does this, but it 
is command line only.

Gigolo, Nautilus and Nemo make it very easy to connect to a server but, as far 
as I can see, only using an SFTP connection. This means you can copy files 
backwards and forwards, but not use remote data as if it were local.

I am very happy using SSHFS but others in my family are not safe to be let 
loose on the command line. I could write a script and place an icon on the 
desktop to run it but, before I do, is anybody aware of a GUI front end to 
SSHFS, or any tricks which might let me achieve my goals with Gigolo or 
Nautilus/Nemo?

Thanks

Nige
  
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