Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot

2014-12-04 Thread Mike Hingley
I wonder if advocacy for the Operating System is too narrow a target.  I think 
it’s fair to say that computers are typically seen as Windows or Mac.  People 
on a don’t tend to think about the operating system in their computer - and I 
can sort of see that argument.  Advocating that someone should ditch their OS 
for a free OS (in the true sense of free) might be a stretch for some people - 
perhaps we need to start smaller, perhaps in looking at components.  Maybe 
Firefox and Chrome offer a “Foot in the door”.


 Would there be any benefit in talking to someone like Barclays?  They have 
their tech and tea sessions and digital eagles.  Maybe we could borrow some of 
these ideas and host tech and tea sessions for Ubuntu and Free Software?  In 
fact I might go to one and see who is attending, what they are advocating etc.






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From: Dan Wood
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Hi Alan and the gang,

From my viewpoint (a little rock in the middle of the Irish Sea),
advocacy is something which the UK team should consider expanding.
I've given a couple of talks at our local Code Club (www.codeclub.im)
about Free software and have been really quite surprised by the follow
up that these generated. It seems that there are quite a few people
'thirsty' for knowledge about Ubuntu (and other Linuxes). People have
heard of Ubuntu, but they don't quite know what it is. Some of them
would like to experience it, but they don't always know how.

Perhaps we could work on a set of 'advocacy tools' ? Off the top of my head:

Nicely produced handouts, posters etc that explain what Ubuntu is (in
simple terms) and the benefits it brings.
Some 'how-to' guides (youtube vids?) on installing, or trying Ubuntu.
A friendly 'disclaimer' that we could ask people to sign before
helping them to install Ubuntu on their machines. (Just in case...!)
Ideas for how non-programmers could contribute to the community.
(Translation, artwork etc.)

Could we have a 'beginners guide' series of videos, or podcasts that
really do start at the zero-knowledge level and work up from there?

Could we join forces with existing LUGs and code-clubs to organise
install-fests, and ongoing local 'hands-on' support networks?

Of course, the beer-fuelled release parties and the like are all good
and should continue. Here on the Isle of Man, I just about manage to
find a small handful of people who I can force beer into the name of a
new release every six months! :)

Cheers!
Dan.



On 4 December 2014 at 13:57, Alan Pope  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I wanted to kick off a thread about "rebooting" the team. We have
> discussions on the list, an active IRC channel, regular beer-related
> celebrations and a podcast in its 7th year, but not a lot else (unless
> I'm mistaken?) done as team effort.
>
> So I wanted to start an open discussion here based on my assertion
> that the team (such as it is) is currently somewhat moribund, and
> needs a boot up the arse for 2015.
>
> The questions I have are:-
>
> a) Do you agree?
> b) What shall we do about it?
>
> In my mind I'd like to see us doing more in the way of advocacy, event
> organising/attending, code jams, support and so on. We could all do
> this individually or we could do it co-ordinated as a team. I'd prefer
> the latter.
>
> Discuss. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot (Alan Pope)

2014-12-04 Thread Phill Whiteside
For advocacy, I've taken a similar route to that of Melodie[1] I sourced a
coupler of old computers, installed lubuntu on them and donated them to the
local youth centre. So, they get to use the OS :D

Old kit lends itself to l/xubuntu and the likes of bentoo. Heck, I even
learned how to make a non-pae kernel for 14.04 LTS kernel :)

I think doing that sort of thing is far more productive than giving
lectures.

Regards,

Phill.
1. http://linuxvillage.org/en/

P.S. I've just sourced and shipped 10 X 100GB hard drives to linuxvillage,
as Melodie had had 10 machines donated, but the company had destroyed the
hard drives for data protection reasons.

On 4 December 2014 at 21:55, Gareth France 
wrote:

>
>
> On 04/12/14 21:51, Nigel Verity wrote:
>
>> but the few events I've attended seem always to appeal mainly to all the
>> local Linux enthusiasts, so the "evangelists" just end up preaching to the
>> converted.
>>
>
> I have tried a number of times to set something up which reaches out to a
> new crowd but any attempt to discuss it on here and look for ideas or
> support was always shot down. People seemed to have to ability to sap my
> enthusiasm quite quickly. Often saying why would we need that when the
> Reading group is just down the road etc.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 116, Issue 1

2014-12-04 Thread Roger Leyland
e every day, will be 9 years old
> > in February, and it is still capable of running Ubuntu 14.04 very well.
> >
> > So how old is your machine?.
> >
> >
> Being a geek I tend to cycle hardware every 3-4 years at most, so my
oldest
> computer in use is a Lenovo Edge 11 that I bought about three and half
> years ago. It's running Xubuntu 14.04 happily.
>
> I need to do something with my wife's laptop-before-last which I think is
> 10-12 years old and very underspecced. I might see if Lubuntu will play
> with it.
>
> In my day job I did come across a server a few years ago at a mobile phone
> company that had an uptime approaching 12 years ,which was maintained by
> the sysadmins as a badge of honour. I like to hope that it's still
running.
>
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> For me its a 3 year old computer. The older one I had (6 years old), died
> not too long ago due to hardware failure. Neither of those computers would
> have ever struggled running Linux or any non heavy gaming / rendering
> software.
>
> Before my fathers computer's hard disk died that was also about 8 years
old
> and running Linux as he found it easier to use than Windows (he was never
> taught to use a computer so with him starting with a blank slate he
> actually found Gnome 2 easier to use than Windows). On top of that, before
> he was using Windows and I could not keep that free of Malware that he was
> routinely downloading by accident. The computer was not running fast as
> such but was running faster than it was under Windows with one exception.
> The graphics card ran slower and rendering of web pages took longer. It
was
> an old PCI card from some obscure manufacturer (don't remember what it
was).
>
> On 4 December 2014 at 15:26, Barry Titterton 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > How old is the oldest computer that you have in regular use?
> >
> > I was prompted to ask this question by a comment that I over heard while
> > doing some Linux advocacy at my local community centre. They run
> > beginners computer courses (Windows only) so I popped along to see if
> > anyone would be interested in Linux and FOSS. There was a conversation
> > which included the statement "If your machine is 3 to 4 years old it
> > must be getting worn out, so you need to think about getting a new one".
> > This got me thinking about my own machines and I realised that my main
> > desktop PC (Pentium D 3.2GHz), that I use every day, will be 9 years old
> > in February, and it is still capable of running Ubuntu 14.04 very well.
> >
> > So how old is your machine?.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Barry T
> >
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> On 4 December 2014 at 16:43, Alan Jenkins 
wrote:
> > For me its a 3 year old computer. The older one I had (6 years old),
died
> > not too long ago due to hardware failure. Neither of those computers
would
> > have ever struggled running Linux or any non heavy gaming / rendering
> > software.
> >
> > Before my fathers computer's hard disk died that was also about 8 years
old
> > and running Linux as he found it easier to use than Windows (he was
never
> > taught to use a computer so with him starting with a blank slate he
actually
> > found Gnome 2 easier to use than Windows). On top of that, before he was
> > using Windows and I could not keep that free of Malware that he was
> > routinely downloading by accident. The computer was not running fast as
such
> > but was running faster

Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot (Alan Pope)

2014-12-04 Thread Gareth France



On 04/12/14 21:51, Nigel Verity wrote:

but the few events I've attended seem always to appeal mainly to all the local Linux 
enthusiasts, so the "evangelists" just end up preaching to the converted.


I have tried a number of times to set something up which reaches out to 
a new crowd but any attempt to discuss it on here and look for ideas or 
support was always shot down. People seemed to have to ability to sap my 
enthusiasm quite quickly. Often saying why would we need that when the 
Reading group is just down the road etc.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot (Alan Pope)

2014-12-04 Thread Nigel Verity
Hi Popey

I think you are right that some new initiatives wouldn't go amiss. I've nothing 
but praise for this list, though. I've posted quite a lot of pleas for advice 
over the last 3 or 4 years and only ever drawn a blank on one occasion.

Advocacy is a great idea, but the few events I've attended seem always to 
appeal mainly to all the local Linux enthusiasts, so the "evangelists" just end 
up preaching to the converted. Going in somewhere completely cold seems to be a 
very hard and largely unproductive slog. I always talk to people about FLOSS 
when the opportunity presents itself, and I've had the best responses in "warm" 
environments, where people rely on using computers but not as the focus of 
their interests. I'm thinking of camera clubs, amateur astronomy groups and so 
on.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot

2014-12-04 Thread Dan Wood
Hi Alan and the gang,

>From my viewpoint (a little rock in the middle of the Irish Sea),
advocacy is something which the UK team should consider expanding.
I've given a couple of talks at our local Code Club (www.codeclub.im)
about Free software and have been really quite surprised by the follow
up that these generated. It seems that there are quite a few people
'thirsty' for knowledge about Ubuntu (and other Linuxes). People have
heard of Ubuntu, but they don't quite know what it is. Some of them
would like to experience it, but they don't always know how.

Perhaps we could work on a set of 'advocacy tools' ? Off the top of my head:

Nicely produced handouts, posters etc that explain what Ubuntu is (in
simple terms) and the benefits it brings.
Some 'how-to' guides (youtube vids?) on installing, or trying Ubuntu.
A friendly 'disclaimer' that we could ask people to sign before
helping them to install Ubuntu on their machines. (Just in case...!)
Ideas for how non-programmers could contribute to the community.
(Translation, artwork etc.)

Could we have a 'beginners guide' series of videos, or podcasts that
really do start at the zero-knowledge level and work up from there?

Could we join forces with existing LUGs and code-clubs to organise
install-fests, and ongoing local 'hands-on' support networks?

Of course, the beer-fuelled release parties and the like are all good
and should continue. Here on the Isle of Man, I just about manage to
find a small handful of people who I can force beer into the name of a
new release every six months! :)

Cheers!
Dan.



On 4 December 2014 at 13:57, Alan Pope  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I wanted to kick off a thread about "rebooting" the team. We have
> discussions on the list, an active IRC channel, regular beer-related
> celebrations and a podcast in its 7th year, but not a lot else (unless
> I'm mistaken?) done as team effort.
>
> So I wanted to start an open discussion here based on my assertion
> that the team (such as it is) is currently somewhat moribund, and
> needs a boot up the arse for 2015.
>
> The questions I have are:-
>
> a) Do you agree?
> b) What shall we do about it?
>
> In my mind I'd like to see us doing more in the way of advocacy, event
> organising/attending, code jams, support and so on. We could all do
> this individually or we could do it co-ordinated as a team. I'd prefer
> the latter.
>
> Discuss. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot

2014-12-04 Thread SuperEngineer

On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 18:38 +, Bruno Girin wrote:
> Now, that's the difficult question :-) Whatever we do, we need to make
> sure
> it involves places other than London. We've had a tendency in the past
> to
> do stuff in London because that's where several of us are but we
> should
> make an effort to include the rest of the UK.

Agreed [it does seem a little like the London & Hampshire loco] - but
that's our fault, surely, [guilty hand up in the air here] for not being
more pro-active.   I still wonder how those Londoner's / Hampshirians
get all that energy!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How old is your computer?

2014-12-04 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
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On 04/12/14 19:10, Paul Sutton wrote:
> 
> I think the 3 -4 years old thing is marketing tripe,  I get the 
> impression from people like PC world they think that a 3 year old
> PC is old and needs a nice new one £££ for them, of course running 
> Windows for 3 years, with no re-install does seem to slow your 
> computer to a crawl.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

I think the 3-4 years actually came from commercial organisations,
where PCs and laptops tended to be depreciated over 3 to 4 years, so
after that time they were renewed at a convenient opportunity...
I know the organisations I worked for did that..
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How old is your computer?

2014-12-04 Thread Paul Sutton
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On 04/12/14 15:26, Barry Titterton wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> How old is the oldest computer that you have in regular use?
> 
> I was prompted to ask this question by a comment that I over heard
> while doing some Linux advocacy at my local community centre. They
> run beginners computer courses (Windows only) so I popped along to
> see if anyone would be interested in Linux and FOSS. There was a
> conversation which included the statement "If your machine is 3 to
> 4 years old it must be getting worn out, so you need to think about
> getting a new one". This got me thinking about my own machines and
> I realised that my main desktop PC (Pentium D 3.2GHz), that I use
> every day, will be 9 years old in February, and it is still capable
> of running Ubuntu 14.04 very well.
> 
> So how old is your machine?.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Barry T
> 

I have a duron 1600 with 1gb ram it seems to run debian 7 nicely.  It
was running an old version 12.04 or before of xubuntu however the
install was somewhat dodgy so I can't comment on the performance,
Suffice to say it is not a hardware issue it is a software issue as
replacing xubuntu with debian its back to working fine.

One option for these old computers is ToriOS.  Please see
www.toriOS.org.  ToriOS is based on ubuntu1 12.04 but also importantly
for these systems it retains non PAE support.

My desktop must be getting on for 3 -4 years old.  This runs xubuntu
14.04 really well.

I think the 3 -4 years old thing is marketing tripe,  I get the
impression from people like PC world they think that a 3 year old PC
is old and needs a nice new one £££ for them, of course running
Windows for 3 years, with no re-install does seem to slow your
computer to a crawl.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot

2014-12-04 Thread Bruno Girin
On 4 December 2014 at 13:57, Alan Pope  wrote:

>
> a) Do you agree?
>

Yes.



> b) What shall we do about it?
>

Now, that's the difficult question :-) Whatever we do, we need to make sure
it involves places other than London. We've had a tendency in the past to
do stuff in London because that's where several of us are but we should
make an effort to include the rest of the UK.



>
> In my mind I'd like to see us doing more in the way of advocacy, event
> organising/attending, code jams, support and so on. We could all do
> this individually or we could do it co-ordinated as a team. I'd prefer
> the latter.
>

I agree, it would be better to coordinate as a team. That said, it should
also be possible for someone to do something on their own in their local
community, while relying on the whole team for support.

One aspect of this would be to document what we do in a wiki so for
example, including what worked and what didn't so if we do something
successful in London for instance, someone in Manchester could just go to
the wiki to get ideas and learn about the pitfalls to avoid.

I've just been reminded that I'm supposed to go over to the meeting room
for Christmas drinks so I'll follow up with ideas in another email :-)

Cheerio!

Bruno
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How old is your computer?

2014-12-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 4 December 2014 at 16:43, Alan Jenkins  wrote:
> For me its a 3 year old computer. The older one I had (6 years old), died
> not too long ago due to hardware failure. Neither of those computers would
> have ever struggled running Linux or any non heavy gaming / rendering
> software.
>
> Before my fathers computer's hard disk died that was also about 8 years old
> and running Linux as he found it easier to use than Windows (he was never
> taught to use a computer so with him starting with a blank slate he actually
> found Gnome 2 easier to use than Windows). On top of that, before he was
> using Windows and I could not keep that free of Malware that he was
> routinely downloading by accident. The computer was not running fast as such
> but was running faster than it was under Windows with one exception. The
> graphics card ran slower and rendering of web pages took longer. It was an
> old PCI card from some obscure manufacturer (don't remember what it was).


Blimey. I don't think I own one that young!

My main machines are a 2007 Toshiba Satellite Pro and a 2nd-hand IBM
Thinkpad X201S. Both are Core 2 Duo machines and around the same age
-- the Thinkpad might be a bit younger.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How old is your computer?

2014-12-04 Thread Alan Jenkins
For me its a 3 year old computer. The older one I had (6 years old), died
not too long ago due to hardware failure. Neither of those computers would
have ever struggled running Linux or any non heavy gaming / rendering
software.

Before my fathers computer's hard disk died that was also about 8 years old
and running Linux as he found it easier to use than Windows (he was never
taught to use a computer so with him starting with a blank slate he
actually found Gnome 2 easier to use than Windows). On top of that, before
he was using Windows and I could not keep that free of Malware that he was
routinely downloading by accident. The computer was not running fast as
such but was running faster than it was under Windows with one exception.
The graphics card ran slower and rendering of web pages took longer. It was
an old PCI card from some obscure manufacturer (don't remember what it was).

On 4 December 2014 at 15:26, Barry Titterton 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> How old is the oldest computer that you have in regular use?
>
> I was prompted to ask this question by a comment that I over heard while
> doing some Linux advocacy at my local community centre. They run
> beginners computer courses (Windows only) so I popped along to see if
> anyone would be interested in Linux and FOSS. There was a conversation
> which included the statement "If your machine is 3 to 4 years old it
> must be getting worn out, so you need to think about getting a new one".
> This got me thinking about my own machines and I realised that my main
> desktop PC (Pentium D 3.2GHz), that I use every day, will be 9 years old
> in February, and it is still capable of running Ubuntu 14.04 very well.
>
> So how old is your machine?.
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry T
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How old is your computer?

2014-12-04 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 4 December 2014 at 15:26, Barry Titterton 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> How old is the oldest computer that you have in regular use?
>
> I was prompted to ask this question by a comment that I over heard while
> doing some Linux advocacy at my local community centre. They run
> beginners computer courses (Windows only) so I popped along to see if
> anyone would be interested in Linux and FOSS. There was a conversation
> which included the statement "If your machine is 3 to 4 years old it
> must be getting worn out, so you need to think about getting a new one".
> This got me thinking about my own machines and I realised that my main
> desktop PC (Pentium D 3.2GHz), that I use every day, will be 9 years old
> in February, and it is still capable of running Ubuntu 14.04 very well.
>
> So how old is your machine?.
>
>
Being a geek I tend to cycle hardware every 3-4 years at most, so my oldest
computer in use is a Lenovo Edge 11 that I bought about three and half
years ago. It's running Xubuntu 14.04 happily.

I need to do something with my wife's laptop-before-last which I think is
10-12 years old and very underspecced. I might see if Lubuntu will play
with it.

In my day job I did come across a server a few years ago at a mobile phone
company that had an uptime approaching 12 years ,which was maintained by
the sysadmins as a badge of honour. I like to hope that it's still running.

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[ubuntu-uk] How old is your computer?

2014-12-04 Thread Barry Titterton
Hi All,

How old is the oldest computer that you have in regular use?

I was prompted to ask this question by a comment that I over heard while
doing some Linux advocacy at my local community centre. They run
beginners computer courses (Windows only) so I popped along to see if
anyone would be interested in Linux and FOSS. There was a conversation
which included the statement "If your machine is 3 to 4 years old it
must be getting worn out, so you need to think about getting a new one".
This got me thinking about my own machines and I realised that my main
desktop PC (Pentium D 3.2GHz), that I use every day, will be 9 years old
in February, and it is still capable of running Ubuntu 14.04 very well.

So how old is your machine?.

Regards,

Barry T

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[ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot

2014-12-04 Thread Alan Pope
Hi all,

I wanted to kick off a thread about "rebooting" the team. We have
discussions on the list, an active IRC channel, regular beer-related
celebrations and a podcast in its 7th year, but not a lot else (unless
I'm mistaken?) done as team effort.

So I wanted to start an open discussion here based on my assertion
that the team (such as it is) is currently somewhat moribund, and
needs a boot up the arse for 2015.

The questions I have are:-

a) Do you agree?
b) What shall we do about it?

In my mind I'd like to see us doing more in the way of advocacy, event
organising/attending, code jams, support and so on. We could all do
this individually or we could do it co-ordinated as a team. I'd prefer
the latter.

Discuss. :)

Cheers,
Al.

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