Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Do you have network manager working. It maybe on the tight hand side of your screen and have a series of signal bars see I ringed it in black ink http://yfrog.com/07blacksignalj If you 'dont have this right click on panel and add to panel the search for Network manager. Hope this helps John wrote: Sorry to ask again, but does anybody have any ideas how I can get my wireless back? Its really frustrating me now. Thanks in advance. John -- 15 Stanley Place, Lancaster, LA1 5PN rik_bol...@btinternet.com - 07866439588 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Sorry to ask again, but does anybody have any ideas how I can get my wireless back? Its really frustrating me now. Thanks in advance. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:00:21PM +, Alan Pope wrote: I am registered user number 4 on that site :) Why does that not surprise me? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
2009/3/15 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. I wonder how many potential recruits to that role, at that level, with the necessary experience would also fall into the group have once worked at Microsoft. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. As a parent I can testify that the _vast_ majority of kids content on the BBC website is indeed already in various versions of flash. Some older video is real format but that's gone out of fashion of late. Of course neither of those platforms are open, but then if you're downloading a closed source game from bbc.co.uk, all bets are off in terms of 'I only want free software on my computers'. Fail at multiple levels there. What the BBC _should_ be doing of course is commissioning new Free software projects. Rather than having great swathes of code on their site that nobody can improve upon, and will eventually die off and become unusable when the various versions of flash, air, real (and so on) are no longer supported by the vendors. Even if the games were developed as closed source but cross platform that would be a step in the right direction, although not far enough. Games such as World of Goo, Darwinia, DEFCON: Everybody Dies and simpler games such as Neverball show that it is possible to create compelling cross platform games which don't require the budget of EA/Warner/Sony etc to do it. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
I have an awful lot of short music videos (non-interactive), I mean scores and scores of them, which I downloaded from YouTube in flash format and converted to .mp4 format. I felt that this would be a more versatile format for video jukebox type use on unknown machines in the future (like my eleven thousand plus .mp3 music files, I keep them on an external hard drive) -- but I could have been completely wrong. On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 18:40 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/15 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. I wonder how many potential recruits to that role, at that level, with the necessary experience would also fall into the group have once worked at Microsoft. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. As a parent I can testify that the _vast_ majority of kids content on the BBC website is indeed already in various versions of flash. Some older video is real format but that's gone out of fashion of late. Of course neither of those platforms are open, but then if you're downloading a closed source game from bbc.co.uk, all bets are off in terms of 'I only want free software on my computers'. Fail at multiple levels there. What the BBC _should_ be doing of course is commissioning new Free software projects. Rather than having great swathes of code on their site that nobody can improve upon, and will eventually die off and become unusable when the various versions of flash, air, real (and so on) are no longer supported by the vendors. Even if the games were developed as closed source but cross platform that would be a step in the right direction, although not far enough. Games such as World of Goo, Darwinia, DEFCON: Everybody Dies and simpler games such as Neverball show that it is possible to create compelling cross platform games which don't require the budget of EA/Warner/Sony etc to do it. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Quoting Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: I have an awful lot of short music videos (non-interactive), I mean scores and scores of them, which I downloaded from YouTube in flash format and converted to .mp4 format. I felt that this would be a more versatile format for video jukebox type use on unknown machines in the future (like my eleven thousand plus .mp3 music files, I keep them on an external hard drive) -- but I could have been completely wrong. On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 18:40 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/15 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. I wonder how many potential recruits to that role, at that level, with the necessary experience would also fall into the group have once worked at Microsoft. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. As a parent I can testify that the _vast_ majority of kids content on the BBC website is indeed already in various versions of flash. Some older video is real format but that's gone out of fashion of late. Of course neither of those platforms are open, but then if you're downloading a closed source game from bbc.co.uk, all bets are off in terms of 'I only want free software on my computers'. Fail at multiple levels there. What the BBC _should_ be doing of course is commissioning new Free software projects. Rather than having great swathes of code on their site that nobody can improve upon, and will eventually die off and become unusable when the various versions of flash, air, real (and so on) are no longer supported by the vendors. Even if the games were developed as closed source but cross platform that would be a step in the right direction, although not far enough. Games such as World of Goo, Darwinia, DEFCON: Everybody Dies and simpler games such as Neverball show that it is possible to create compelling cross platform games which don't require the budget of EA/Warner/Sony etc to do it. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I may just be being picky, but have you thought about converting your videos to .ogv (Ogg Video) and your music to .oga (Ogg Audio), as although it may be easier to play .mp4 and .mp3 on Windows, you can use free software such as VLC to play Ogg on Windows, and Ogg should play out of the box on most Linux distro's. Also, it seems that Ubuntu and a lot of other distro's don't come with out of the box support for .mp4. Harry -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/15 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. I wonder how many potential recruits to that role, at that level, with the necessary experience would also fall into the group have once worked at Microsoft. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. As a parent I can testify that the _vast_ majority of kids content on the BBC website is indeed already in various versions of flash. Some older video is real format but that's gone out of fashion of late. Of course neither of those platforms are open, but then if you're downloading a closed source game from bbc.co.uk, all bets are off in terms of 'I only want free software on my computers'. Fail at multiple levels there. What the BBC _should_ be doing of course is commissioning new Free software projects. Rather than having great swathes of code on their site that nobody can improve upon, and will eventually die off and become unusable when the various versions of flash, air, real (and so on) are no longer supported by the vendors. Sorry but I have to defend the bbc here. firstly bbc.co.uk/opensource - dirac video codec is free software at the beebs hands as is kamelia - the python framework and other things. There are people in the BBC who are doing amazing work promoting free software and open standards within the organisation - this needs to be recognised in discussions like this. One example that springs particularly in my mind: http://welcomebackstage.com/2008/11/george-wright-responds-to-backstage-questions/ There are policy makers and content producers who cause big problems for free software advocates in the beeb - these are the people who writing to people get to (also write to content producers association who are equally to blame for DRM and subsequently Adobe Air etc.) If you have some cool technical ideas though, you might be interested in the BBC Backstage mailing list or the Backstage Idea thingy: http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/mailinglists http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ There are good people in the BBC, lets try and work with them rather than flaming the organisation... :) teflon suit :) Cheers Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Rowan Berkeley wrote: I have an awful lot of short music videos (non-interactive), I mean scores and scores of them, which I downloaded from YouTube in flash format and converted to .mp4 format. I felt that this would be a more versatile format for video jukebox type use on unknown machines in the future (like my eleven thousand plus .mp3 music files, I keep them on an external hard drive) -- but I could have been completely wrong. you are aware of sudo apt-get install clive? I use that for youtube stuff -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Tim Dobson wrote: If you have some cool technical ideas though, you might be interested in the BBC Backstage mailing list or the Backstage Idea thingy: take a look down here: http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/most_popular_ever/ -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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2009/3/16 Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net: Sorry but I have to defend the bbc here. I wasn't knocking the BBC, merely musing on the current situation and where I'd like to see them go in the future. There was no ill intent meant on my part towards the BBC. If you have some cool technical ideas though, you might be interested in the BBC Backstage mailing list or the Backstage Idea thingy: http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/mailinglists http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ I am registered user number 4 on that site :) There are good people in the BBC, lets try and work with them rather than flaming the organisation... :) I fail to see how I was flaming, but hey ho. teflon suit :) I suspect you were to quick to slip that on. Maybe another day. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/15 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. I wonder how many potential recruits to that role, at that level, with the necessary experience would also fall into the group have once worked at Microsoft. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. As a parent I can testify that the _vast_ majority of kids content on the BBC website is indeed already in various versions of flash. Some older video is real format but that's gone out of fashion of late. Of course neither of those platforms are open, but then if you're downloading a closed source game from bbc.co.uk, all bets are off in terms of 'I only want free software on my computers'. Fail at multiple levels there. What the BBC _should_ be doing of course is commissioning new Free software projects. Rather than having great swathes of code on their site that nobody can improve upon, and will eventually die off and become unusable when the various versions of flash, air, real (and so on) are no longer supported by the vendors. Sorry but I have to defend the bbc here. firstly bbc.co.uk/opensource - dirac video codec is free software at the beebs hands as is kamelia - the python framework and other things. There are people in the BBC who are doing amazing work promoting free software and open standards within the organisation - this needs to be recognised in discussions like this. One example that springs particularly in my mind: http://welcomebackstage.com/2008/11/george-wright-responds-to-backstage-questions/ There are policy makers and content producers who cause big problems for free software advocates in the beeb - these are the people who writing to people get to (also write to content producers association who are equally to blame for DRM and subsequently Adobe Air etc.) If you have some cool technical ideas though, you might be interested in the BBC Backstage mailing list or the Backstage Idea thingy: http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/mailinglists http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ There are good people in the BBC, lets try and work with them rather than flaming the organisation... :) teflon suit :) Cheers Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Yes, I don't think all of the flaming towards the BBC is entirely justifyable in the case of the Adventure Rock game/virtual world. Yes, it is proprietary, that's bad. Also, it isn't multiplatform, that's bad. However, would it have been possible to create such a thing in an entirely FOSS manner? For a start you couldn't use Directx, which many games are built upon. From looking around a bit it appears to use an engine shared with a belgian game of a similar style, written by Larian studios. Now presumably this was used as a basis for the Adventure Rock game, it certainly looks similar and Wikipedia claims they were developed in collaboration. How much would it have cost to write from scratch in a FOSS manner, or using an existing FOSS engine? There is project darkstar, but that isn't really a complete solution, and doesn't appear to be ready for primetime. According to various sources, the cost of the game is £250,000, which is a splash in the BBC's budget. It is also not that expensive in game terms. Additionally, according to the BBC, the project seems to be part of a trial, so spending a large amount of time writing their own would have been too expensive/difficult. Mj -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Matt Jones wrote: However, would it have been possible to create such a thing in an entirely FOSS manner? I haven't looked at the game play of the controversial game, but maybe blender? Apricot project - apricot.blender.org is completely F/LOSS. I'm not a games dev, or anything like that, so whether or not it would be feasible (not to mention desirable) is a good question. It would be amazingly cool to see them developing on a platform like that though! :) Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/16 Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net: Sorry but I have to defend the bbc here. I wasn't knocking the BBC, merely musing on the current situation and where I'd like to see them go in the future. There was no ill intent meant on my part towards the BBC. My post wasn't directed personally at you, but at the thread, sorry if it felt that way! :) If you have some cool technical ideas though, you might be interested in the BBC Backstage mailing list or the Backstage Idea thingy: http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/mailinglists http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ I am registered user number 4 on that site :) :) There are good people in the BBC, lets try and work with them rather than flaming the organisation... :) I fail to see how I was flaming, but hey ho. I just felt the conversation was a bit one sided and could do with broadening. I have been in the BBC Manchester RD department and they have extensive numbers of posters on the corridor walls of cool things they have done with free software. DRM'd Iplayer and this game, non-free software is bad - but I wouldn't say it is characteristic, of the BBC, as was suggested earlier on. Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 22:06, red rik_bol...@btinternet.com wrote: To follow on with a thought from Paul. No 10 website has a place where you can put a petition up for the government to read and others can sign it. As the BBC is a publicly funded organization and it is answerable to the folk of this country or them whom watch any form of T.V? It probably makes more sense to start by contacting people at the BBC, or the BBC Trust. If nothing else then it raises internal BBC awareness that they should be thinking about this. I wonder what the expense difference is between providing a linux/cross-platform CBBC game, compared to getting a Microsoft-only one made. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Quoting Dean Sas d...@deansas.org: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 22:06, red rik_bol...@btinternet.com wrote: To follow on with a thought from Paul. No 10 website has a place where you can put a petition up for the government to read and others can sign it. As the BBC is a publicly funded organization and it is answerable to the folk of this country or them whom watch any form of T.V? It probably makes more sense to start by contacting people at the BBC, or the BBC Trust. If nothing else then it raises internal BBC awareness that they should be thinking about this. I wonder what the expense difference is between providing a linux/cross-platform CBBC game, compared to getting a Microsoft-only one made. I'm not sure that's the point. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/highfield_quits_kangaroo/ Ashley Highfield (Ex-BBC Iplayer boss) now works for MS. I seem to recall that the latest appointee of the BBC's media division is an ex MS UK employee. If you use Flash (or AIR which seems to run perfectly on Ubuntu for iPlayer and Google Analytics) then cross-platform gaming should be easy. Alternatively, look at some of the major 1st person shooters, most of them now run on Linux without too much effort as native applications, not using WINE. If all else fails, pay the $25 and get a copy of x-over. It's much better than wine at running a load of software! M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] BBC won't support Linux
To follow on with a thought from Paul. No 10 website has a place where you can put a petition up for the government to read and others can sign it. As the BBC is a publicly funded organization and it is answerable to the folk of this country or them whom watch any form of T.V? Shalom Rik Chris Rowson wrote: Hash: SHA1 Chris Rowson wrote: My little lad wants to play the new CBBC game 'Adventure Rock' from the BBC on my laptop. It seems that game is available for only for Windows XP however: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/adventurerock/hints/faq.shtml I'm going to give it a bash on Wine but I'm not sure I'll have much luck. I find it infuriating that the BBC keep locking their products into Microsoft operating systems Chris I thought of a solution to this, online petition site, on the ubuntu site, similar in style to the parliment one, but this could be for users to campaign for specific ports, etc. Or simply an open source site somewhere that can faclitate this. Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net http://www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet : April 4th : 3pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkm7+CMACgkQaggq1k2FJq0kpwCfRTXTRyIysStVBJH9NlObZEhp 7noAnR2ZU5HZ0wCxGp80HG3CCNSgGnQy =vNhW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ If you have a copy of XP around, you coil install it in VirtualBox if you've got enough memory. Harry Managed to get the game installed under XP, only to find that there's a fault with it anyway which is intermittently preventing people from logging on. My little lad gave up! Chris -- 15 Stanley Place, Lancaster, LA1 5PN rik_bol...@btinternet.com - 07866439588 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
