Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:50 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: > I'd just make sure the drives in the caddy had distinctive labels on > all their partitions, myself! :¬) They do have!! And the problem still occurs. I'm booting from the SATA drive partition that appears as /dev/sdb1, and for some weird reason, automount then tries to mount the partition that is on /dev/sda at '/' where the boot filesystem (at /dev/sdb1) is already mounted makes no sense at all to me, and I know the problem would not be there if I booted from the IDE drive in the caddy. Still, Glen's solution works OK for me. The saga began when my wife's computer died and I gave her the one I mentioned. I put a caddy in so I could swap between her old IDE drive, and a storage drive that I could also swap with my computers. Eventually when I know she no longer needs to access her old drive, I'll swap it for a SATA caddy but in the meantime, it's doing what I need it to to do. Regards,Barry Drake. -- Sent from my Dell Netbook using Ubuntu - the window-free environment that gives me real fresh air. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
On 11 October 2010 14:55, Glen Mehn wrote: > On 11/10/10 14:49, Barry Drake wrote: >> You should be able to have it mount by putting in fstab: >>> /dev/hdb1 /path/to/mountpoint defaults 0 0 >> Thanks - that works OK! I now have /dev/sda1 /media/HD3 ntfs 0 0 in >> fstab, and it works just fine with any ntfs drive. I ought to have >> thought of that instead of using the UUID. I just wonder why automount >> tries to mount using /dev/sdb1 when it is there all the time >> as /dev/sda1? Windows doesn't make that mistake - if that is what it >> is. > Hi Barry, > > Glad that helps. I would guess that the Automounter is having trouble > with 2 drives on one IDE channel. That shouldn't be the case. I have 2 IDE hard disks on my primary IDE channel & 2 DVD burners on my secondary, with no issues. Most of my PCs have had multiple drives - some up to 6 HDs + 3 CDs - and I do not have any PCs with SATA. > It should be /dev/hdb1 (the DVD drive > should be /dev/hda) You should remember, too, that if you have 2 devices > working simultaneously on one IDE controller will result in > significantly degraded performance (essentially, the controller can only > use one device at a time). Not the case since about 1995 with the appearance of Intel's 82430 "Triton" chipset for the original Pentium. Since that appeared, almost everything (apart from one or 2 really rubbish SIS chipsets, for instance) has supported busmastering on IDE, which means overlapped IO, as I understand it. The 82430HX and 82430VX chipset's PIIX2 controller allowed 2 different IDE devices on a single channel to operate at different speeds, as well, so one can be (say) PIO4 and one UDMA2, without conflict. > The automounter's really more set up for hot-swappable drives. Another > solution might be to use IDE=>USB cases, but it sounds like you're > sorted. Glad so. I'd just make sure the drives in the caddy had distinctive labels on all their partitions, myself! :¬) -- Liam Proven • Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
On 11/10/10 14:49, Barry Drake wrote: > You should be able to have it mount by putting in fstab: >> /dev/hdb1/path/to/mountpoint defaults00 > Thanks - that works OK! I now have /dev/sda1 /media/HD3 ntfs 0 0 in > fstab, and it works just fine with any ntfs drive. I ought to have > thought of that instead of using the UUID. I just wonder why automount > tries to mount using /dev/sdb1 when it is there all the time > as /dev/sda1? Windows doesn't make that mistake - if that is what it > is. Hi Barry, Glad that helps. I would guess that the Automounter is having trouble with 2 drives on one IDE channel. It should be /dev/hdb1 (the DVD drive should be /dev/hda) You should remember, too, that if you have 2 devices working simultaneously on one IDE controller will result in significantly degraded performance (essentially, the controller can only use one device at a time). The automounter's really more set up for hot-swappable drives. Another solution might be to use IDE=>USB cases, but it sounds like you're sorted. Glad so. -g -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:27 +0100, Barry Drake wrote: > Ubuntu 10.10 finds all the drives OK but refuses to mount the IDE hard > drive saying it already has a drive mounted at the same mount point. Ubuntu mounts removable drives (really, any not in /etc/fstab) in /media/LABEL. LABEL is either the filesystem label, the word "disk", or UUID. I'm guessing that the problem is that one of your other drives is mounting on /media/disk and your IDE drive wants the same location. Ubuntu usually tries to mount on /media/disk-1 in such a case, but I don't have enough information to be sure. However, what you might try doing is giving the filesystem on the IDE drive a new label. How to do it depends on the filesystem. For ext2/3/4 and FAT, the commands are: sudo tune2fs -L newlabel /dev/sdb1 sudo dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 newlabel Once it has a different label, it should auto-mount on another directory. Tyler -- "... that your voice is amplified to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the other does not confer upon you greater wisdom or understanding than you possessed when your voice reached only from one end of the bar to the other." -- Edward R. Murrow -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
On 11/10/10 11:56, Barry Drake wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:38 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote: >> IDE is not hot-swapable. you need sata > I don't intend hot-swapping. I shut down, change the caddy and re-boot. > It has to be IDE for compatibility with what I have already. > > -- Does Ubuntu see the IDE DVDR properly (/dev/hda?) -- What happens in Ubuntu when you do sfdisk -s /dev/hdb (or whatever the IDE hard drive comes up as) You should be able to have it mount by putting in fstab: /dev/hdb1/path/to/mountpoint defaults00 the old school way Obviously, it needs to be the right /dev path. And this assumes that the filesystems are always the same. (you have to replace with ext4/vfat/ntfs/whatever) Glen -- Glen Mehn glen.m...@oba.co.uk skype: glenmehn | blog: http://glen.mehn.net/mba UK: +44(0)7942 675 755 | US: +1 415 704 4737 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:38 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote: > IDE is not hot-swapable. you need sata I don't intend hot-swapping. I shut down, change the caddy and re-boot. It has to be IDE for compatibility with what I have already. Kind regards, Barry Drake. -- Sent from my Dell Netbook using Ubuntu - the window-free environment that gives me real fresh air. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
IDE is not hot-swapable. you need sata Jacob Mansfield Programmer On 11 October 2010 11:27, Barry Drake wrote: > Here's an interesting one for you. I have a PC with a motherboard that > has 6xSATA ports and one IDE port. I've put two SATA drives in plus an > IDE DVD-R drive and an IDE drive caddy (as slave and master) so I can > swap storage drives between three desktop pcs. > > One of the SATA drives is Windows 2000. When I boot this, it finds and > mounts all drives with no problem. > > Ubuntu 10.10 finds all the drives OK but refuses to mount the IDE hard > drive saying it already has a drive mounted at the same mount point. > The only way I can mount the IDE drive is to put a line in /etc/fstab > that tells it to mount UUID=[UUID of the drive I'm going to use]. This > allows it to work just fine, but is a bit of a pain, as I have to > edit /etc/fstab before I re-boot with a different drive. If it finds > the wrong drive, ubuntu hangs during the boot when it tries to mount the > drive that has gone! > > Currently I have all the drives I want to swap (four in number) > in /etc/fstab so I comment out the ones that aren't there. > > Any thoughts? > > Regards,Barry Drake. > -- > Sent from my Dell Netbook using Ubuntu - the window-free environment > that gives me real fresh air. > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] IDE drive mounting ....
Here's an interesting one for you. I have a PC with a motherboard that has 6xSATA ports and one IDE port. I've put two SATA drives in plus an IDE DVD-R drive and an IDE drive caddy (as slave and master) so I can swap storage drives between three desktop pcs. One of the SATA drives is Windows 2000. When I boot this, it finds and mounts all drives with no problem. Ubuntu 10.10 finds all the drives OK but refuses to mount the IDE hard drive saying it already has a drive mounted at the same mount point. The only way I can mount the IDE drive is to put a line in /etc/fstab that tells it to mount UUID=[UUID of the drive I'm going to use]. This allows it to work just fine, but is a bit of a pain, as I have to edit /etc/fstab before I re-boot with a different drive. If it finds the wrong drive, ubuntu hangs during the boot when it tries to mount the drive that has gone! Currently I have all the drives I want to swap (four in number) in /etc/fstab so I comment out the ones that aren't there. Any thoughts? Regards,Barry Drake. -- Sent from my Dell Netbook using Ubuntu - the window-free environment that gives me real fresh air. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
