Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
** Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-31 00:54]: When I asked a colleague(who has been working in it for 20+ years) what it was used for he explained, basically with nat it is pointless as was said before we cant or are unlikely to run out of ip addresses using IPv4. Actually, that's not true... various world-renowned experts in the field predict that we will exhaust the available IP addresses sometime in 2010. Several sources I've found give this as the year of IP meltdown... everyone, put on your foil hats now :\ ** end quote [Pete Stean] I can't remember where I got the original link from, knowing my luck this list, although I think it was a local LUG. Anyway, I came across a downloaded version on my HD and in my current slightly dopey (as in sleepy!) state thought it may amuse in relation to this (slightly old) thread :) No doubt it has been doing the rounds over the past few weeks as these things do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 01:09 +, Skeg Fast wrote: Daniel Lamb wrote: Windows does support IPv6, When I asked a colleague(who has been working in it for 20+ years) what it was used for he explained, basically with nat it is pointless as was said before we cant or are unlikely to run out of ip addresses using IPv4. Regards, Daniel Interesting. Does it support it by default? I've always assumed that one of the reasons for the lack of uptake was because Windows didn't support it out of the box. I've always just assumed that more IPs==better (hence my complete ignorance on the subject). I understand how I can run several PCs/toasters/microwaves or websites on a single box with their own DNS entries, but at some point won't their be too many boxes for IPs? Like I said, I don't properly understand networking so if anybody has any links that I could read then let me know (in a I've read Wikipedia and the first few Google hits and also know that my arse isn't connected to my elbow kind of way ;)) There's a good introduction on Ars Technica http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/IPv6.ars/1 I think XP had it as either a separate download or had it turned off by default. It was one of the big features of Vista to have it IPv6 ready out of the box. Of course Windows 2K and lower have no IPv6 support from Microsoft. One of the others problems is most home routers don't work with it. Though you can use openWRT on some home routers to enable tunnelling. http://wiki.openwrt.org/IPv6_howto Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 00:14 +, Daniel Lamb wrote: Windows does support IPv6, When I asked a colleague(who has been working in it for 20+ years) what it was used for he explained, basically with nat it is pointless as was said before we cant or are unlikely to run out of ip addresses using IPv4. Regards, Daniel I haven't checked in windows to see if you can configure your LAN port with IPv6, but it is definitely IPv6 capable when resolving DNS. I work in a domain management company running DNS servers, and we have 10s of thousands of domain names. Off the top off my head i guess maybe 10 of those zones contain and IPv6 address, and mostly in china. (i think). The thing is, IPv6 will definitely be needed for the Internet, but i think its going to be much easier to stick with v4 on local/ corporate LANs... purely because you don't normally need more than class C/B range, so you only need to remember 1 or 2 octets (instead of a bunch of hex values) when you suddenly need to connect to a failing mail server. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
Hi all, I've been reading an article on the beeb about Vint Cerf ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7068140.stm ) stating that IPv6 needs to be rolled out soon across major networks. Is anyone out there using it on their network, or has everyone stuck with the tried and tested IPv4? Just interested in what people think... Cheers, M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
Hello, - Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been reading an article on the beeb about Vint Cerf ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7068140.stm ) stating that IPv6 needs to be rolled out soon across major networks. Is anyone out there using it on their network, or has everyone stuck with the tried and tested IPv4? Just interested in what people think... Here's my (completly biased, and untrustworthy) opinion: IPv6 is a can of worms that I really *Don't* want to open. I'm not even convinced we need it anymore. They've been saying we're running out of addresses for how long? Most of our websites are run under one IP address, you don't need an ip-address per website anymore, and companies don't need class C's for their LAN's with NAT around now. (Class C used to be used for internet-connected LANs.) Have you ever tried to get your head round IPv6? I have... and promptly gave up. When I have to, I will, but I hope I never have to. Its not that memorable, or easy... Kirrus -- Blog: www.kirrus.co.uk RPGs: Captain Senaris Vlenn, CO, USS Sarek Lt Aieron Peters, XO DS5 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 21:24 +, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: Hi all, I've been reading an article on the beeb about Vint Cerf ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7068140.stm ) stating that IPv6 needs to be rolled out soon across major networks. Is anyone out there using it on their network, or has everyone stuck with the tried and tested IPv4? Just interested in what people think... Cheers, M. I tried to connect to the BTexact TB a while back, but I couldn't get my router to forward the udp packets correctly. I keep meaning to give it another go though. https://tb.ipv6.btexact.com/start.html I understand there are a few ISPs that offer a native IPv6 connection without the need for a tunnel. Does anyone use one of these? I want to see the dancing turtle :( http://www.kame.net/ Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: Hi all, I've been reading an article on the beeb about Vint Cerf ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7068140.stm ) stating that IPv6 needs to be rolled out soon across major networks. Is anyone out there using it on their network, or has everyone stuck with the tried and tested IPv4? Just interested in what people think... Cheers, M. Nope, not using it at the moment. As far as I'm aware Enta do support it, although I think my router doesn't. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
Here's my (completly biased, and untrustworthy) opinion: IPv6 is a can of worms that I really *Don't* want to open. I'm not even convinced we need it anymore. They've been saying we're running out of addresses for how long? Most of our websites are run under one IP address, you don't need an ip-address per website anymore, and companies don't need class C's for their LAN's with NAT around now. (Class C used to be used for internet-connected LANs.) Have you ever tried to get your head round IPv6? I have... and promptly gave up. When I have to, I will, but I hope I never have to. Its not that memorable, or easy... Kirrus The point of it is just that - you do not need to worry about subnetting, or running out of addresses. IPv6 wont be happening on any large scale for a few years yet for exactly what you just said, but when it does, it will completely change a lot of things. Think of everything having their own public IP address... your mobile phone, your computers at home, your car, your toaster(?!) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
On 30/10/2007, Gaurav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my (completly biased, and untrustworthy) opinion: IPv6 is a can of worms that I really *Don't* want to open. I'm not even convinced we need it anymore. They've been saying we're running out of addresses for how long? Most of our websites are run under one IP address, you don't need an ip-address per website anymore, and companies don't need class C's for their LAN's with NAT around now. (Class C used to be used for internet-connected LANs.) Have you ever tried to get your head round IPv6? I have... and promptly gave up. When I have to, I will, but I hope I never have to. Its not that memorable, or easy... Kirrus The point of it is just that - you do not need to worry about subnetting, or running out of addresses. IPv6 wont be happening on any large scale for a few years yet for exactly what you just said, but when it does, it will completely change a lot of things. Think of everything having their own public IP address... your mobile phone, your computers at home, your car, your toaster(?!) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Actually, my toaster and oven have an IP address... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 15:36 -0700, Kris Douglas wrote: On 30/10/2007, Gaurav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my (completly biased, and untrustworthy) opinion: IPv6 is a can of worms that I really *Don't* want to open. I'm not even convinced we need it anymore. They've been saying we're running out of addresses for how long? Most of our websites are run under one IP address, you don't need an ip-address per website anymore, and companies don't need class C's for their LAN's with NAT around now. (Class C used to be used for internet-connected LANs.) Have you ever tried to get your head round IPv6? I have... and promptly gave up. When I have to, I will, but I hope I never have to. Its not that memorable, or easy... Kirrus The point of it is just that - you do not need to worry about subnetting, or running out of addresses. IPv6 wont be happening on any large scale for a few years yet for exactly what you just said, but when it does, it will completely change a lot of things. Think of everything having their own public IP address... your mobile phone, your computers at home, your car, your toaster(?!) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Actually, my toaster and oven have an IP address... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope they have firewalls. (bah dum, tish) Sorry, couldn't resist. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
Windows does support IPv6, When I asked a colleague(who has been working in it for 20+ years) what it was used for he explained, basically with nat it is pointless as was said before we cant or are unlikely to run out of ip addresses using IPv4. Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skeg Fast Sent: 30 October 2007 23:55 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it? snip Actually, my toaster and oven have an IP address... I can remember IP (v4) addys better than I can remember my own mobile number (even though I've had the same phone number for 10 years - I think the dots in the IP help :p) I can't see me remembering IPv6 addys any time soon though, even for the toaster... Does Windows support IPv6? As a regular Billy No-clue Windows user I've not seen any trace of it in XP. Maybe that's why it's not caught on yet? And if that's the case then I can't see Microsoft going out of their way to introduce it to the mainstream if it means that you could connect to the interwebs using your non-MS toaster instead of buying a copy of Windows. (Though I assume Vista supports it even if XP doesn't - Microsoft must surely have included it as a 'just in case' feature) All that said, I usually block the IPv6 module in Linux if it's enabled because it's so bloody slow and uneeded at the moment. Plus I don't understand it either ;) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
When I asked a colleague(who has been working in it for 20+ years) what it was used for he explained, basically with nat it is pointless as was said before we cant or are unlikely to run out of ip addresses using IPv4. Actually, that's not true... various world-renowned experts in the field predict that we will exhaust the available IP addresses sometime in 2010. Several sources I've found give this as the year of IP meltdown... everyone, put on your foil hats now :\ Pete -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IPv6 - are you using it?
Daniel Lamb wrote: Windows does support IPv6, When I asked a colleague(who has been working in it for 20+ years) what it was used for he explained, basically with nat it is pointless as was said before we cant or are unlikely to run out of ip addresses using IPv4. Regards, Daniel Interesting. Does it support it by default? I've always assumed that one of the reasons for the lack of uptake was because Windows didn't support it out of the box. I've always just assumed that more IPs==better (hence my complete ignorance on the subject). I understand how I can run several PCs/toasters/microwaves or websites on a single box with their own DNS entries, but at some point won't their be too many boxes for IPs? Like I said, I don't properly understand networking so if anybody has any links that I could read then let me know (in a I've read Wikipedia and the first few Google hits and also know that my arse isn't connected to my elbow kind of way ;)) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
