Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
The Reading LUG are self confessed lazy people. The reason they don't have any schedule or speakers or install fests etc is because they simply can't be bothered! I think it works very well and I'm not sure I've make the 40 mile round trip to simply be lectured at. However I'm very much hoping that if I get my idea of the ground existing enthusiasts would join in and add their own input, so perhaps we'll have a bit of everything in the long run. I guess it all depends on who your target audience is. Are you appealing to the hobbyist who already knows his way round the system? Or to the newbie who doesn't even know they want linux yet? I'd like to appeal to the latter. There's no reason why users of different distros shouldn't get along. To be honest I've never really strayed from Ubuntu and it could be a bit of a group adventure downloading and trying a few of the more obscure distros. How about incorporating both the more formal meeting and the casual ones into a schedule? Having them every other month, alternating perhaps? That way you keep everyone happy, albeit bi-monthly. On 29/07/12 10:57, Sean Miller wrote: We need to get LUGOG (Linux User Group of Glastonbury) going again, haven't had a meeting for a couple of years, but the challenge is exactly this... On 29 July 2012 10:18, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't really picture it as being something so formal as having speakers really. At Reading nothing like that goes on and it's a very casual Nobody in the LUG seems to be able to agree on what they want. Some won't attend unless it's a formal speaker type setup (I might as well just go down my local and chat to Linux users online than travel to drink with Linux users who probably don't know much anyway etc.) and others don't really want a formal presentation and would rather a casual chat about shared problems etc. It's all really horses for courses and, unfortunately, we don't have enough members to really sustain two courses. The other problem, of course, is that Linux is a kernel not an Operating System so whilst the users no doubt have a lot in common there is a lot that is different too we need to recognise that most Linux Users are no longer trying to do obscure things from the command line but are far more likely to be running applications and (of course) we have the 90% of Linux Users who don't even know they're Linux Users but are running the kernel on their Android smartphones. Not to mention that if you get a Debian user, a KDE user on another distro, a Gnome user and a Ubuntu together in one room there is guaranteed to be fireworks. We have the challenge of evangelism, people not trying to help but rather convert, saying things like that wouldn't happen on *MY* distribution... It's far too much effort for me, to be honest. I would *love* LUGOG to restart, but I have no great confidence that it would survive for more than another 2-3 meetings. Any ideas anybody could offer as to how one could make a LUG viable in a sparsely populated area like Mid Somerset would be gratefully received. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On Sunday 29 Jul 2012 10:57:13 Sean Miller wrote: We need to get LUGOG (Linux User Group of Glastonbury) going again, haven't had a meeting for a couple of years, but the challenge is exactly this... On 29 July 2012 10:18, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't really picture it as being something so formal as having speakers really. At Reading nothing like that goes on and it's a very casual Nobody in the LUG seems to be able to agree on what they want. Some won't attend unless it's a formal speaker type setup (I might as well just go down my local and chat to Linux users online than travel to drink with Linux users who probably don't know much anyway etc.) and others don't really want a formal presentation and would rather a casual chat about shared problems etc. It's all really horses for courses and, unfortunately, we don't have enough members to really sustain two courses. The other problem, of course, is that Linux is a kernel not an Operating System so whilst the users no doubt have a lot in common there is a lot that is different too we need to recognise that most Linux Users are no longer trying to do obscure things from the command line but are far more likely to be running applications and (of course) we have the 90% of Linux Users who don't even know they're Linux Users but are running the kernel on their Android smartphones. Not to mention that if you get a Debian user, a KDE user on another distro, a Gnome user and a Ubuntu together in one room there is guaranteed to be fireworks. We have the challenge of evangelism, people not trying to help but rather convert, saying things like that wouldn't happen on *MY* distribution... It's far too much effort for me, to be honest. I would *love* LUGOG to restart, but I have no great confidence that it would survive for more than another 2-3 meetings. Any ideas anybody could offer as to how one could make a LUG viable in a sparsely populated area like Mid Somerset would be gratefully received. I used to go to LUGOG when it was at West Camel or at Somerton when Andrew Waldrond was running them, but when he left and it went back to Glastonbury it was a bit too far for me to travel. I did try to get something started with a user group in South Somerset (SSLUG) but that went quiet too. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 10:57 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: We need to get LUGOG (Linux User Group of Glastonbury) going again, haven't had a meeting for a couple of years, but the challenge is exactly this... On 29 July 2012 10:18, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't really picture it as being something so formal as having speakers really. At Reading nothing like that goes on and it's a very casual Nobody in the LUG seems to be able to agree on what they want. Some won't attend unless it's a formal speaker type setup (I might as well just go down my local and chat to Linux users online than travel to drink with Linux users who probably don't know much anyway etc.) and others don't really want a formal presentation and would rather a casual chat about shared problems etc. It's all really horses for courses and, unfortunately, we don't have enough members to really sustain two courses. The other problem, of course, is that Linux is a kernel not an Operating System so whilst the users no doubt have a lot in common there is a lot that is different too we need to recognise that most Linux Users are no longer trying to do obscure things from the command line but are far more likely to be running applications and (of course) we have the 90% of Linux Users who don't even know they're Linux Users but are running the kernel on their Android smartphones. Not to mention that if you get a Debian user, a KDE user on another distro, a Gnome user and a Ubuntu together in one room there is guaranteed to be fireworks. We have the challenge of evangelism, people not trying to help but rather convert, saying things like that wouldn't happen on *MY* distribution... It's far too much effort for me, to be honest. I would *love* LUGOG to restart, but I have no great confidence that it would survive for more than another 2-3 meetings. Any ideas anybody could offer as to how one could make a LUG viable in a sparsely populated area like Mid Somerset would be gratefully received. Sean Sean, Serious suggestion Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. -- Cheers, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 11:24, Sean Miller wrote: On 29 July 2012 11:10, Mark Fraser mfraz74+ubu...@gmail.com wrote: I used to go to LUGOG when it was at West Camel or at Somerton when Andrew Waldrond was running them, but when he left and it went back to Glastonbury it was a bit too far for me to travel. Indeed... it never really went back to Glastonbury, though... it just died, really. I liked Andrew's concept that we were going to build our own server in his datacentre from scratch and write a new website in php/mysql and have that for the LUG. Everybody involved. But then he disappeared to somewhere in the Far East or similar, and there was nobody really who had to passion to organise things, in the way that Steve Leonard-Clarke had started the group at St. Dunstans school in the early 2000s. One of my favourite sessions in those St. Dunstans days was the presentation by Tim Hall and the fella who wrote Rosegarden on using Linux to produce music... that was very enlightening and, indeed, I installed DeMudi on a machine but couldn't really get my head around jack and the way things interacted and had nobody to talk to about it really so lost interest... Martin Wheeler's idea to do a Certification course was a good one too, but - probably - not relevant to 75% of Linux users, but rather systems administrators. So that died. Perhaps the key is that it's not about Linux User Groups but people trying to do specific things with Linux? I did try to get something started with a user group in South Somerset (SSLUG) but that went quiet too. I think our problem is that there simply aren't the number of people in the area to make it sustainable unless everybody turns up every meeting, and people have other commitments. And the said question as to whether peoples shared interest are actually Linux or whatever they are doing with it (eg. modelling or music)? Would, for instance, a group in Glastonbury meeting about recording music on computers (on any platform) get more members than a group focusing on the underlying kernel? The key is, what does a LUG offer over and above what people can already get on web communities? Sean Hi I am part of the Devon and Cornwall Group, we are semi active in a way, Meetings in Paignton and Exeter (which is actually a sub group exeter lug) are generally well attended and they have the facilities for talks etc. North devon meets up at a pub in Holsworthy, and they seem to have low attendance each month, It is difficult but best thing to do is keep going,. maybe on the talks front it would be worth looking in to collaboration, the LPI stuff sounds interesting but again that is more for the higher end, However I am not sure how many colleges offer Linux qualifications, they seem to fall over themselves to offer Microsoft stuff. I know there is a LPI centre in bristol (I think) maybe attached to the Linux emporium. Not good if you are at the far end of Cornwall. I still like lug meets, its good for social stuff and physically demonstrate things such as the raspberry PI, in fact I think targeting PI users could be a good way in, and you reach out to a wider community, weather they attend meetings or not may depend on what happens, do you arrange a speaker then risk having no one turn up, this is where you need sites like eventbrite (or somethjng people can then get tickets (even if free) via the site, it gives you a way to control numbers, and you have an idea on attendance figures before hand. Mention Linux and kernel and you lose people so lets keep it simple even if we by doing so are not technically correct, we can address that later with people. I know young people are probably more interested in internet based networking e.g facebook etc, however if a lug meet gives them an opportunity to show off what they have done (e.g with a raspberry pI) and learn from others then you may reach out to them that way. Its hard to find a solution too, you need a wide large population and people will come, i think the SW is far to wide spread, however the talent is out there., just need to reach out to people. Paul -- -- http://drupal.zleap.net skype : psutton111 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
O n Sun, 2012-07-29 at 10:57 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: Any ideas anybody could offer as to how one could make a LUG viable in a sparsely populated area like Mid Somerset would be gratefully received. Sean Hi Sean HLUG - Herefordshire Linux and Open Source Users Group is a small rural LUG we have regular monthly meetings with a core group who attend and then others who come and go whilst some members only participate in the mailing list. For a rural LUG like ours it is tricky - members have to make a significant effort to come to meetings and some travel quite long distances. We have our meetings in Hereford at the minute which is fairly central and the largest urban centre in the county but in the past meetings have been in the north of the county. Our meetings tend to be fairly informal although occasionally we have meetings with guests speakers. Quite a few of our LUG members are Ubuntu users but by no means all - and members are encouraged to bring along different distro's to demo to the group. Our LUG members are very friendly and welcoming and this helps new members when they first join What seems to keep our LUG going are the projects we take on - at the minute we are organising our annual ISFD event and we also have our education project Tuxedu which grew out of the ISFD event. Organising an event however large or small gives the group more cohesion and it can also be fun to do - and if you put on an event you will meet new linux users or even create new users who may want to join your LUG. At each event we put on I meet members who only listen in to our list and don't participate (for a variety or reasons) but pop into the event to say thanks and to encourage us to keep going. Just go for it and see what happens Sarah -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 10:57, Sean Miller wrote: We need to get LUGOG (Linux User Group of Glastonbury) going again, haven't had a meeting for a couple of years, but the challenge is exactly this... On 29 July 2012 10:18, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't really picture it as being something so formal as having speakers really. At Reading nothing like that goes on and it's a very casual Nobody in the LUG seems to be able to agree on what they want. Sounds about right for most LUGs tbh. The same discussions about should we have social meets or tech meets have been held on lug mailing lists up and down the country. Each lug seems to figure out its own way of doing things. Personally I think the days of lugs are somewhat numbered, but then I've been saying that for about 3 years. The ones near to me are seeing dwindling attendance, difficulty getting quorate for meetings and a hard time finding venues. The other problem, of course, is that Linux is a kernel not an Operating System so whilst the users no doubt have a lot in common there is a lot that is different too we need to recognise that most Linux Users are no longer trying to do obscure things from the command line but are far more likely to be running applications and (of course) we have the 90% of Linux Users who don't even know they're Linux Users but are running the kernel on their Android smartphones. And those who are using smartphones probably don't want/need/care about a user group. Just as there's no user group for Philips 234EL monitors or a user group for Humax FOXSAT PVRs. Not to mention that if you get a Debian user, a KDE user on another distro, a Gnome user and a Ubuntu together in one room there is guaranteed to be fireworks. We have the challenge of evangelism, people not trying to help but rather convert, saying things like that wouldn't happen on *MY* distribution... Shouldn't happen IMO, but of course will because the kinds of people who attend LUG meetings are often passionate about the choices they make. :) Take a Ford owner/fan to a Fiat owners club and you'd probably get the same thing. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29 July 2012 12:12, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: Not to mention that if you get a Debian user, a KDE user on another distro, a Gnome user and a Ubuntu together in one room there is guaranteed to be fireworks. We have the challenge of evangelism, people not trying to help but rather convert, saying things like that wouldn't happen on *MY* distribution... Shouldn't happen IMO, but of course will because the kinds of people who attend LUG meetings are often passionate about the choices they make. :) Take a Ford owner/fan to a Fiat owners club and you'd probably get the same thing. Problem is, Alan, that if the person who has come to the meet simply wants a solution to their problem (within the distribution they have chosen [or found on a disc]) this just makes the problem worse. In other words, instead of people trying to resolve their problem random members of the LUG say I have basically the same hardware as yours, and it works so let's re-install your laptop, and go with mine as it will work and then half the things that *WERE* working stop doing so, but the original issue is resolved. That's no way to enthuse people about Linux is it? They end up with an idea something like the you can't please all of the people... meme but related to Linux, and they get the idea that if you have wonderful wireless you have to have a rubbish UI, or if you get a good UI then you can't use your scanner etc. etc. etc. All very bad - what we need to do is find ways to resolve issues people have with Ubuntu before other members of the group try to poach them to their preferred distro on the basis it will resolve their issue (but, potentially, create others). And that is the challenge of a LUG. Because the Debian evangelists and similar are always lurking to poach people from their chosen route, and I get tired of it (to be honest). As a Ubuntu user I'd be quite happy to help a user of any other distribution to solve their problems and suggesting a change of distro would *always* be the last resort. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 12:53, Sean Miller wrote: Problem is, Alan, that if the person who has come to the meet simply wants a solution to their problem (within the distribution they have chosen [or found on a disc]) this just makes the problem worse. In other words, instead of people trying to resolve their problem random members of the LUG say I have basically the same hardware as yours, and it works so let's re-install your laptop, and go with mine as it will work and then half the things that *WERE* working stop doing so, but the original issue is resolved. That's no way to enthuse people about Linux is it? They end up with an idea something like the you can't please all of the people... meme but related to Linux, and they get the idea that if you have wonderful wireless you have to have a rubbish UI, or if you get a good UI then you can't use your scanner etc. etc. etc. All very bad - what we need to do is find ways to resolve issues people have with Ubuntu before other members of the group try to poach them to their preferred distro on the basis it will resolve their issue (but, potentially, create others). And that is the challenge of a LUG. Because the Debian evangelists and similar are always lurking to poach people from their chosen route, and I get tired of it (to be honest). As a Ubuntu user I'd be quite happy to help a user of any other distribution to solve their problems and suggesting a change of distro would *always* be the last resort. Sean For some time now I've been slowly gathering a database of issues I've encountered on Windows, Mac and Ubuntu. I'm always happy to try to resolve any issue on any platform and in fact it irritates me if I have to give up and reinstall. The goal should always be to be able to fix the problem in 5 minutes using prior knowledge. It will probably take me years to mature this database of mine but it should be expanded to include all distros eventually, and hopefully a lot of tricks I simply don't know now. I should expect the members of any LUG can probably run rings round me on the command line, certainly the Reading members can. Unfortunately I've never been able to get them to slow down enough for me to take notes! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. Couldn't somewhere like vistaprint be used to make them up reasonably cheap? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
Hi, If ubuntu-uk would like some server space and the ability to hold lessons on it, I'd be happy to use one of the IPv4 addresses I have spare and set you guys up a VM on the SII server area. We already host a couple of F/OSS projects with a mix of Debian Red Hat virtual machines. I usually allocate 100GB hard disk, 2 GB RAM and one processor to each VM, but this can be tweaked if needed. Feel free to give me a dig in the ribs if ubuntu-uk would like one. Regards, Phill. On 29 July 2012 17:59, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. Couldn't somewhere like vistaprint be used to make them up reasonably cheap? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. We have the Ubuntu table cloths which are branded nicely and many teams world wide use them at events. Some people also have pop up stands, again leads to looking more professional as it has our branding on it. Laura -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 18:26, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. We have the Ubuntu table cloths which are branded nicely and many teams world wide use them at events. Some people also have pop up stands, again leads to looking more professional as it has our branding on it. Laura So what are the rules on using the ubuntu logos etc, there are usually trademarks. and usage restrictions to protect the brand etc. Paul -- -- http://drupal.zleap.net skype : psutton111 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 18:50, paul sutton wrote: On 29/07/12 18:26, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. We have the Ubuntu table cloths which are branded nicely and many teams world wide use them at events. Some people also have pop up stands, again leads to looking more professional as it has our branding on it. Laura So what are the rules on using the ubuntu logos etc, there are usually trademarks. and usage restrictions to protect the brand etc. Paul I believe it can be used freely to promote the brand but that you need to start asking questions once you're making money off the back of the Ubuntu logo. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 18:26, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. We have the Ubuntu table cloths which are branded nicely and many teams world wide use them at events. Some people also have pop up stands, again leads to looking more professional as it has our branding on it. Table cloths are good for close up, already captured, customers. Pop up stands - I think I used one via Alan Pope a few years ago - signal 'corporate' which is really good in some contexts. In other contexts 'corporate' is a no no because 'community', 'voluntary' and 'local group' are very non-corporate in the traditional sense. However, a flag is a generally seen as happiness on a stick, and at a distance too. The world now (unwittingly) awaits a wider advertising of Ubuntu, and flags could play a part in that. I originally had in mind car window flags, and also a larger flag to hoist at various non tech camping type rallies. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 19:36, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 18:26, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 29/07/12 17:56, alan c wrote: On 29/07/12 11:40, Bill B. wrote: Make up an Ubuntu flag, stick it on a pole with a Tux flag adjacent [above or below] and set up at the next Glastonbury festival. The people you meet will [hopefully] be a nice surprise, more open minded and may solve all those problems for you - and maybe sow a few seeds of their own. Please let me know of any Ubuntu flag? I would like to consider this, I also attend events where a flag would be a benefit. The Orange Ubuntu logo is less attractive than the multicoloured legacy logo. Before the logo changed I contacted the Ubuntu shop and also flag makers to see what could be done. It was deemed to be not shop worthy, and flags seemed surprisingly expensive as custom items. We have the Ubuntu table cloths which are branded nicely and many teams world wide use them at events. Some people also have pop up stands, again leads to looking more professional as it has our branding on it. Table cloths are good for close up, already captured, customers. Pop up stands - I think I used one via Alan Pope a few years ago - signal 'corporate' which is really good in some contexts. In other contexts 'corporate' is a no no because 'community', 'voluntary' and 'local group' are very non-corporate in the traditional sense. However, a flag is a generally seen as happiness on a stick, and at a distance too. The world now (unwittingly) awaits a wider advertising of Ubuntu, and flags could play a part in that. I originally had in mind car window flags, and also a larger flag to hoist at various non tech camping type rallies. Digitally printed flags for £35 http://www.flagsandflagpoles.co.uk/products/name/custom-printed-flags/product_id/cpf -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux User Group of Glastonbury (was High Wycombe LUG)
On 29/07/12 18:50, paul sutton wrote: So what are the rules on using the ubuntu logos etc, there are usually trademarks. and usage restrictions to protect the brand etc. http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy See the section titled Community advocacy. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
