Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Hey Garry, As I said above it turned out the problem wasn't with Ubuntu Satanic Edition but with the Power Management in Ubuntu. Blank Screen on When laptop is closed is definitely the cause of this (although it may only apply to the intel driver as I haven't tried it with vesa). I'd like to take a moment to congratulate you on Ubuntu Satanic Edition. I personally use the bootup/down part and the Eternal Damnation screensaver (as the rest doesn't match my specific tastes) and these work a treat. Jai On 2/19/08, parker13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope-2 wrote: Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch. If the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~ That's a good suggestion and I'd be interested to know whether it worked. I'm the creator of Ubuntu Satanic Edition and if it's causing problems on people's notebooks I'd like to know about it. All I can think of is that the gnome theme uses the Aurora GTK engine: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438 This is a fairly heavyweight theme engine and *maybe* this is the issue. However, it's the first I've heard of any such thing. Garry. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Notebook-Problems-tp15524433p15560783.html Sent from the ubuntu-uk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
On 20/02/2008, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Garry, As I said above it turned out the problem wasn't with Ubuntu Satanic Edition but with the Power Management in Ubuntu. Blank Screen on When laptop is closed is definitely the cause of this (although it may only apply to the intel driver as I haven't tried it with vesa). I'd like to take a moment to congratulate you on Ubuntu Satanic Edition. I personally use the bootup/down part and the Eternal Damnation screensaver (as the rest doesn't match my specific tastes) and these work a treat. Jai On 2/19/08, parker13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope-2 wrote: Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch. If the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~ That's a good suggestion and I'd be interested to know whether it worked. I'm the creator of Ubuntu Satanic Edition and if it's causing problems on people's notebooks I'd like to know about it. All I can think of is that the gnome theme uses the Aurora GTK engine: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438 This is a fairly heavyweight theme engine and *maybe* this is the issue. However, it's the first I've heard of any such thing. Garry. Dear Garry I find it curious that such loaded names: Satanic and Eternal Damnation are used with the extremely user friendly term UBUNTU. How were they thought up? Makes Ubuntu sound like a student project. Just a thought. Caroline -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Notebook-Problems-tp15524433p15560783.html Sent from the ubuntu-uk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Dear Garry I find it curious that such loaded names: Satanic and Eternal Damnation are used with the extremely user friendly term UBUNTU. How were they thought up? Makes Ubuntu sound like a student project. Just a thought. Hi Caroline, Ubuntu Satanic Edition is tongue-in-cheek, really, and should not be taken too seriously. It started off because I thought that Ubuntu Christian Edition was a daft idea and I did a few wallpapers and it grew from there. It's now quite a comprehensive set of themes for people who like their desktops dark red/yellow/black instead of the standard brown. I take my inspiration from heavy rock music and album covers and quite a few people seem to like it. The ironic thing is that I kind of now see where the guys at Ubuntu Christian Edition are coming from and I get on with its creator, Jereme, quite well. Not everyone has the knowledge (or inclination) to customise their Linux system and if we spread the word to a wider audience then that's great. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Notebook-Problems-tp15524433p15589290.html Sent from the ubuntu-uk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
On 20/02/2008, parker13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Garry I find it curious that such loaded names: Satanic and Eternal Damnation are used with the extremely user friendly term UBUNTU. How were they thought up? Makes Ubuntu sound like a student project. Just a thought. Hi Caroline, Ubuntu Satanic Edition is tongue-in-cheek, really, and should not be taken too seriously. It started off because I thought that Ubuntu Christian Edition was a daft idea and I did a few wallpapers and it grew from there. It's now quite a comprehensive set of themes for people who like their desktops dark red/yellow/black instead of the standard brown. I take my inspiration from heavy rock music and album covers and quite a few people seem to like it. The ironic thing is that I kind of now see where the guys at Ubuntu Christian Edition are coming from and I get on with its creator, Jereme, quite well. Not everyone has the knowledge (or inclination) to customise their Linux system and if we spread the word to a wider audience then that's great. Hi Garry, I find your reply really interesting- and I really think that Ubuntu is something special and it is great that customising is so important to you all- but was it the Christians who thought up using the word Ubuntu? I ask because I noticed in the local church rag- they had a whole sermonette using Ubuntu (the south african word) as the central idea. Caroline -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Notebook-Problems-tp15524433p15589290.html Sent from the ubuntu-uk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
London School of Puppetry wrote: you all- but was it the Christians who thought up using the word Ubuntu? I ask because I noticed in the local church rag- they had a whole sermonette using Ubuntu (the south african word) as the central idea. You're confusing several different things. Ubuntu philosophy is an African tribal philosophy concerning a number of subjects including community and respect for others. It predates the European invasions of sub-Saharan Africa by many centuries and is not related to Christianity. A number of Anglican priests have adopted this philosophy in order to ingratiate the Anglican church with huge African populations, in the same way that the Roman church picked the 25th of December to celebrate Christmas, in order to ingratiate themselves with their huge Pagan populations who liked to celebrate Winter Solstice (the exact birthdate of Jesus is not known, however it is known that Romans did not conduct censuses during the winter, and that Jesus was born during a Roman census, ergo Jesus was not born in winter). Ubuntu Linux, also known as Ubuntu GNU/Linux, is an open source computer operating system based on the Linux kernel and GNU toolset, funded by a South African millionaire. It is named after the African philosophy, as a reference to its open source roots. Ubuntu Christian Edition is a customisation of Ubuntu Linux which adds Christian related imagery and Christian related programs such as a Bible reader. Ubuntu Satanic Edition is a customisation of Ubuntu Linux which adds imagery related to Heavy Metal popular music and the Horror film genre. To the best of my knowledge it contains no Satanic religious material other than a few phrases which have entered popular culture (in any case, modern Satanism is mainly about self-empowerment and personal fulfilment, having little to do with criminal behaviour or the supernatural). -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Hey All, I believe I've solved the problem and that it would be useful to share my solution in case anyone else encounters the same problem (and to also help Andrew Oakley track the errors down for Hardy). I selected Do Nothing for When laptop lid is closed under Power Management and since then I haven't encountered any problems. Blank Screen seems to be the cause of the problem. It's probably also worth noting that I have Display and Computer inactivity inflicted sleep settings also set to Never but the problem still occurred after that but before modifying the When laptop lid is closed setting. Jai On 2/17/08, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 20:00 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Well it happened again and I just lost loads of stuff . I'm probably going to backup my home folder and reinstall Ubuntu. After doing so I'll make sure NOT to copy over everything from my home folder but only essentials (in case something in there is the cause of this). Unless anyone has an easier solution? Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch. If the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~ Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Hey I do use Compiz but the screensaver reference makes more sense. I recently started using the Ubuntu Satanic Edition screensaver and startup/shutdown bar thing (I haven't a clue what that's called). Assuming this is the cause I'm unsure of exactly how to remove it or replace it with the original Ubuntu files. It's a shame though as this stuff looks fantastic. On 2/17/08, Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If it is not a power saving problem, it sounds like X (the graphical display manager) is crashing. On Feb 16, 2008 11:29 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I use an Acer TravelMate 4151LMi (Notebook) and I have recently been having some issues with Gutsy - namely being automagically logged out and presented with the GDM sometimes when the notebook lid is closed. Do you use desktop effects/compiz, or similar? They are enabled by default in Gutsy, it could be worth disabling them just to test. You'll find the options under System-Preferences-Appearance. The other is a bizarre black screen state in which the monitor simply turns off and won't turn back on again (resulting in a requirement to reboot). Do you have a screensaver enabled? Set it to blank for testing purposes, if so. When in this state, does Ctrl+Alt+F1 do anything? Ctrl+Alt+F7? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? When rebooting from this state, you may be doing this with a hardware reset button or similar. See if the laptop responds to the key sequence in section 4 of this post: http://matthewstechnologyblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/how-to-recover-ubuntulinux-pc.html Hope this helps, if not fix, then diagnose the problem :) Matthew. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 01:14:50PM +, Sean Miller wrote: Ubuntu Satanic Edition? Sean http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/about It's a set of themes to make Ubuntu look more like Windows Vista. -Gav -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk I think we need to: Calibrate the flux circuit -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Ubuntu Satanic Edition? Sean http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/about It's a set of themes to make Ubuntu look more like Windows Vista. -Gav No, it's a set of themes to convert Ubuntu and Ubuntu Christian Edition into a Linux installation for the damned ;) Regardless there's nothing Vista-like about it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 20:00 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Well it happened again and I just lost loads of stuff . I'm probably going to backup my home folder and reinstall Ubuntu. After doing so I'll make sure NOT to copy over everything from my home folder but only essentials (in case something in there is the cause of this). Unless anyone has an easier solution? Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch. If the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~ Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Well it happened again and I just lost loads of stuff . I'm probably going to backup my home folder and reinstall Ubuntu. After doing so I'll make sure NOT to copy over everything from my home folder but only essentials (in case something in there is the cause of this). Unless anyone has an easier solution? On 2/17/08, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu Satanic Edition? Sean http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/about It's a set of themes to make Ubuntu look more like Windows Vista. -Gav No, it's a set of themes to convert Ubuntu and Ubuntu Christian Edition into a Linux installation for the damned ;) Regardless there's nothing Vista-like about it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Hey, I use an Acer TravelMate 4151LMi (Notebook) and I have recently been having some issues with Gutsy - namely being automagically logged out and presented with the GDM sometimes when the notebook lid is closed. The other is a bizarre black screen state in which the monitor simply turns off and won't turn back on again (resulting in a requirement to reboot). This makes using my notebook absolute hell as all of my work and open programs are continually lost... any ideas? Jai -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Hey Andrew I am using the open source Intel Graphics driver and I have both AC Power and Battery Power settings for When laptop lid is closed set to Blank Screen. I'm not one to use Hibernate or Standby and I haven't had these problems until recently (as in the last month) which is why it's so peculiar. Jai On 2/17/08, Andrew Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: having some issues with Gutsy - namely being automagically logged out and presented with the GDM sometimes when the notebook lid is closed. The other is a bizarre black screen state in which the monitor simply turns off and won't turn back on again (resulting in a requirement to reboot). I've been helping track down similar problems in the Hardy alpha releases. We have discovered that this is caused by poor power saving support, usually related to graphics card drivers. The main workaround is to ensure that you don't use Standby or Hibernate modes when the lid closes. Instead, just use Blank Screen. You can set this from System menu - Preferences - Power Management. This issue appears to be solved in Hardy for the closed-source Nvidia drivers. Unfortunately it has not been solved for the open-source Intel drivers. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/180907 The irony of this bug being nailed fasted by Nvidia's closed-source team, than both Intel and the open source community can fix it with the open source software, is, I'm sure, not lost on any of us. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Jai Harrison wrote: having some issues with Gutsy - namely being automagically logged out and presented with the GDM sometimes when the notebook lid is closed. The other is a bizarre black screen state in which the monitor simply turns off and won't turn back on again (resulting in a requirement to reboot). I've been helping track down similar problems in the Hardy alpha releases. We have discovered that this is caused by poor power saving support, usually related to graphics card drivers. The main workaround is to ensure that you don't use Standby or Hibernate modes when the lid closes. Instead, just use Blank Screen. You can set this from System menu - Preferences - Power Management. This issue appears to be solved in Hardy for the closed-source Nvidia drivers. Unfortunately it has not been solved for the open-source Intel drivers. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/180907 The irony of this bug being nailed fasted by Nvidia's closed-source team, than both Intel and the open source community can fix it with the open source software, is, I'm sure, not lost on any of us. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems
Hi, If it is not a power saving problem, it sounds like X (the graphical display manager) is crashing. On Feb 16, 2008 11:29 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I use an Acer TravelMate 4151LMi (Notebook) and I have recently been having some issues with Gutsy - namely being automagically logged out and presented with the GDM sometimes when the notebook lid is closed. Do you use desktop effects/compiz, or similar? They are enabled by default in Gutsy, it could be worth disabling them just to test. You'll find the options under System-Preferences-Appearance. The other is a bizarre black screen state in which the monitor simply turns off and won't turn back on again (resulting in a requirement to reboot). Do you have a screensaver enabled? Set it to blank for testing purposes, if so. When in this state, does Ctrl+Alt+F1 do anything? Ctrl+Alt+F7? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? When rebooting from this state, you may be doing this with a hardware reset button or similar. See if the laptop responds to the key sequence in section 4 of this post: http://matthewstechnologyblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/how-to-recover-ubuntulinux-pc.html Hope this helps, if not fix, then diagnose the problem :) Matthew. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
