Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
On 14/05/07, I C McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil Greenwood wrote: One thing you could look at is using LVM, which can resize the partitions later. It's probably not the best thing to try if you're new to Linux, especially to use for the / partition. The other thing you can do is leave some empty space at the moment, in case you guess wrong. You can always move a directory tree (such as /usr) to another partition - it's quite easy when using a Live CD, but you can do it when the partitions are mounted (but it takes some fiddling) - if you want to do the latter, I can dig out a link that explains what to do step-by-step. Neil Thanks for the ideas. I think you're right about LVM - may be a bit advanced for me just now. I wish I'd had your idea about leaving some space before I went ahead. But never mind - I made / 30Gb, swap 2Gb, and /home got the rest of the space. I guess, if need be, I could split the /home partition, which is the last on the drive, and move a directory tree. I'm hoping this won't ever be necessary; but I'd be grateful if you could send the link if you think it might help. Here's the link I mentioned originally: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-satmigrat.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07MoveUnixFileSystem This describes how to move a directory tree on a live system. It is specifically for AIX, but all the commands should work on Ubuntu too. If you come across something that's confusing or doesn't work the same, let me know. It's a similar process using a Live CD (such as the Ubuntu install CD), but you need to mount all the filesystems first. Here's a link to a link to an article about using LVM: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/05/managing-disk-space-with-lvm.html The article about LVM is linked from this page, but I included this link since it also discusses resizing partitions with LVM. As I said and you agreed, this is possibly too advanced at the moment. One suggestion is to set up a small virtual install (e.g. qemu, vmware, or xen) and play about with LVM in that (then the rest of your data should be safe). The final link discusses how to resize partitions: http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=72 The disclaimer at the top is scary, but it means that you need to think about your particular situation before typing in any commands. If you type the commands exactly as printed, you may well lose your data. What a link-fest! Dw i'n dysgu cymraeg. Mae fy merched i byddwch yn mynd i'r ysgol gymraeg. So I'd like to be able to understand them! Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Neil Greenwood wrote: snip Here's the link I mentioned originally: snip What a link-fest! Dw i'n dysgu cymraeg. Mae fy merched i byddwch yn mynd i'r ysgol gymraeg. So I'd like to be able to understand them! Hwyl, Neil. Neil Thanks for all the links. It'll take me a while to work my way through all the material. I'll have a look over the next couple of days. Thanks, too, for the offer of help if I hit any snags. Mae'n ddrwg genni, ond fi ddim yn siarad Cymraeg. I too worked with Welsh medium schools for a while, but my Welsh didn't get much beyond basic politeness. You're clearly getting on a lot better! Hwyl fawr -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
On 12/05/07, I C McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alec Wright wrote: I recommend 15-20GB for / (my / is 15GB on a 250GB), 1-3GB for swap (just to be safe... i have 3GB on my 250GB) and make the rest /home But 20GB and 3GB are a bit excessive; you could easily get away with 10GB and 1GB (or even less!) Heres my partition table in case you're interested, I'm dual booting with windows: Alec Thanks for your very helpful reply, and for sight of your partition table. I'm going to run Ubuntu and WinXP on separate drives (500Gb and 160Gb respectively). So there's no problem about allocating 20Gb to /. I just wanted to be confident that there was enough space to install packages - enough for /usr to increase and for whatever space apt needs to keep track of packages. And as I'm new to all this I had no idea what ball-park figures for a home system might look like. So your suggestion of 20Gb is a very useful guide for someone who has no idea roughly 'how long a piece of string' would need to be to do the job. Many thanks -- Ian Hi Ian, One thing you could look at is using LVM, which can resize the partitions later. It's probably not the best thing to try if you're new to Linux, especially to use for the / partition. The other thing you can do is leave some empty space at the moment, in case you guess wrong. You can always move a directory tree (such as /usr) to another partition - it's quite easy when using a Live CD, but you can do it when the partitions are mounted (but it takes some fiddling) - if you want to do the latter, I can dig out a link that explains what to do step-by-step. HTH Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Neil Greenwood wrote: One thing you could look at is using LVM, which can resize the partitions later. It's probably not the best thing to try if you're new to Linux, especially to use for the / partition. The other thing you can do is leave some empty space at the moment, in case you guess wrong. You can always move a directory tree (such as /usr) to another partition - it's quite easy when using a Live CD, but you can do it when the partitions are mounted (but it takes some fiddling) - if you want to do the latter, I can dig out a link that explains what to do step-by-step. HTH Hwyl, Neil. Neil Thanks for the ideas. I think you're right about LVM - may be a bit advanced for me just now. I wish I'd had your idea about leaving some space before I went ahead. But never mind - I made / 30Gb, swap 2Gb, and /home got the rest of the space. I guess, if need be, I could split the /home partition, which is the last on the drive, and move a directory tree. I'm hoping this won't ever be necessary; but I'd be grateful if you could send the link if you think it might help. Diolch yn fawr iawn! Hywl fawr -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Thomas Steffen wrote: On 4/30/07, Stephen Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 2. How much space do I _need_ for /? A normal installation of Ubuntu (most of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, some of edubuntu, development tools, TeX and some simulation software) tends to come out at 5GB for me. You can get a away with a lot less if you choose your packages careful, but I think 10GB of the 80GB you have is not a bad start. I'm about to install Fiesty on a new 500Gb drive (to boot first in a dual boot set up with XP on a 160Gb drive in same box). I'm going to keep things simple: partitions for /, /home, and /swap, following advice in this thread. But how big should I make /, given that, if I wanted to, I could give it 100+Gb. How much is 'plenty enough for all contingencies', given that this is a home desktop box doing fairly routine stuff, plus acting as a music server to stream FLAC files to a couple of Slim Devices Squeezeboxes (hence the need for a big disc to hold the music files). TIA -- Ian -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 07:12 +0100, I C McNab wrote: I'm about to install Fiesty on a new 500Gb drive (to boot first in a dual boot set up with XP on a 160Gb drive in same box). I'm going to keep things simple: partitions for /, /home, and /swap, following advice in this thread. But how big should I make /, given that, if I wanted to, I could give it 100+Gb. How much is 'plenty enough for all contingencies', given that this is a home desktop box doing fairly routine stuff, plus acting as a music server to stream FLAC files to a couple of Slim Devices Squeezeboxes (hence the need for a big disc to hold the music files). I recommend 15-20GB for / (my / is 15GB on a 250GB), 1-3GB for swap (just to be safe... i have 3GB on my 250GB) and make the rest /home But 20GB and 3GB are a bit excessive; you could easily get away with 10GB and 1GB (or even less!) Heres my partition table in case you're interested, I'm dual booting with windows: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda Password: Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 12611209728267 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda22612 30401 2232231755 Extended /dev/sda52612456915727603+ 83 Linux /dev/sda64570 29627 201278353+ 83 Linux /dev/sda7 30010 30401 3148708+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ -- Alec Wright -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morning All, I'm after some recommended reading, If I might enquire. First background: Current Set-up (Laptop): 80Gb HD split into 2Gb Swap, 12Gb /, and the remaining 60Gb (all of what is available) as /home. The questions I am looking for answers for are: 1. Do I need 2Gb of Swap? (I Have 1GB RAM) 2. How much space do I _need_ for /? I prefer to keep /home separate. I've just started using VMWare, which by default puts it's machines in /var/lib/vmware. I was surprised to find I had 4.1Gb Free on this partition, so I've obviously over-cooked my guess at how much space was needed 3. Can I resize Any of these partitions? I've loaded up gparted, but (understandably) all my partitions are mounted so I can't resize them as-is... Although I do want the answers, I'd prefer to be guided gently towards some accurate documentation. I have briefly searched the Ubuntu Wiki this morning, but didn't find anything useful, but this could well be my choice of search terms. - -- Steve Garton www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGNZW4nohogXuD0E4RAswSAJ9McSVW+9542OtHiAppOFyqGxlL9wCfUstj RaD8shM6SL8893BqLGpTQiE= =a9qD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
On 4/30/07, Stephen Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morning All, I'm after some recommended reading, If I might enquire. First background: Current Set-up (Laptop): 80Gb HD split into 2Gb Swap, 12Gb /, and the remaining 60Gb (all of what is available) as /home. The questions I am looking for answers for are: 1. Do I need 2Gb of Swap? (I Have 1GB RAM) 2. How much space do I _need_ for /? I prefer to keep /home separate. I've just started using VMWare, which by default puts it's machines in /var/lib/vmware. I was surprised to find I had 4.1Gb Free on this partition, so I've obviously over-cooked my guess at how much space was needed 3. Can I resize Any of these partitions? I've loaded up gparted, but (understandably) all my partitions are mounted so I can't resize them as-is... Although I do want the answers, I'd prefer to be guided gently towards some accurate documentation. I have briefly searched the Ubuntu Wiki this morning, but didn't find anything useful, but this could well be my choice of search terms. - -- Steve Garton www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGNZW4nohogXuD0E4RAswSAJ9McSVW+9542OtHiAppOFyqGxlL9wCfUstj RaD8shM6SL8893BqLGpTQiE= =a9qD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Hi Steve, 1. The recommended amount of swap used to be 2*main memory. I generally don't bother with this, as I think 2GB of swap is a waste for 1GB main memory. However, if you want to use hibernate and such, then you will need to at least match your main memory with your swap size (i.e. 1GB for you). Depending on whether you run some really memory intensive programs, you may like to stick with 1GB. 2. You'll get problems if you try and install Ubuntu on a root partition of size less than around 2.5GB. You specified 12Gb, which should be fine for a good while, but you can always resize your partitions... 3. As you've noticed, you can't resize a currently mounted partition. What you need is some sort of live CD for gparted. Check the gparted website ;-) As for accurate documentation, I wouldn't be able to find any proof of the swap-memory ratio (point #1), although I'm sure there is some somewhere. I doubt there will be a lot of information on root partition size (point #2), apart from minimum sizes. The gparted website will give you some authorative information to back up point #3. HTH, Kris P.S. It *is* possible to install Ubuntu on less than 2.5GB. However, I had to use the text mode install, as it fails due to lack of space. I had to do an apt-get clean apt-get autoclean, and remove a bunch of files in /var/cache/apt/archives etc. every now and then to keep the install alive. You can probably use the server install disk to install a minimal subset of packages and get that minimum / partition size down a bit more. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Questions
Kris Marsh wrote: 3. As you've noticed, you can't resize a currently mounted partition. What you need is some sort of live CD for gparted. Check the gparted website ;-) Or just boot the Ubuntu install CD (the desktop version). It has gparted already installed. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
