Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Sean Miller]

Josh Blacker wrote:
> Shame the BBC can't get *its* staff to use apostrophes correctly. 
> Perhaps basic punctuation isn't cost-effective either?
I've noticed this recently on the BBC News site.  The quality of the 
written English has deteriorated noticeably in the past 6 months or 
so... improper use of apostrophes seems to be a particular issue within 
the BBC Newsroom...

Sean

ps. since when was offering audio in Windows Media format something to 
brag about to somebody complaining about disenfranchising those not on 
Windows?  I don't think Mr Carey had even bothered to think before 
writing...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Rob Beard]

James Dalley wrote:
> 
>  > Chris Rowson wrote:
>  > > On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >> You may all be interested in this article:
>  > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm "BBC to hear
>  > >> open source concerns"
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC
>  > > with litigation before they'll listen though!
>  >
>  > Optimism! I hope also that although they will have a meeting that they
>  > will actually 'listen'.
>  > Listening is also fairly low cost. Action requires a little more
>  > commitment
>  >
>  > --
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>  > Kubuntu user#10391
>  >
> 
> I got this reply from them, but as you can see it's the usual...
> Probably automated..
> 
> Dear Mr Dalley
>  
> Thank you for your e-mail.
>  
> The BBC has a responsibility to distribute it's content to as many license 
> fee payers as possible, but we must seek a cost effective way to do this - 
> especially whilst there is no single audio-visual standard. At present the 
> cost of providing multiple formats is prohibitively high. 
>  
> We currently feel Real Player is the most appropriate solution, since it is 
> freely available on the internet and can be installed on most operating 
> systems. We also have a large archive of real format material and a resilient 
> technical infrastructure necessary to support it. 
>  
> However, the BBC is actively assessing new ways to distribute audio-visual 
> material across the internet. We have initiated a number of trials and we are 
> planning a new technical infrastructure which in the future will increase 
> flexibility of our output. For instance, you can now listen live to all of 
> our major national networks in Windows Media Audio format
>  
> Thank you once again for contacting us.
>  
> Regards
>  

No mention of OGG format then.  It's a shame that the community can't 
redistribute the streams in OGG format on behalf of these media 
companies.  Doesn't take much to do it, I manage to distribute streaming 
internet radio around my network by downloading the stream in mplayer 
and piping it to Ices which streams it out in OGG format so I can listen 
   on any computer on my network without using double the internet 
bandwidth.

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Chris Rowson]

I thought I'd also put in a complaint...

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To whom it may concern,

I'm writing to you to outline a couple of areas where I do not believe
that the BBC is meeting the essential criteria outlined in the BBC
charter.

The BBC utilises Microsoft technologies without offering an
alternative Linux, free or open source alternative in these cases:

* The BBC Integrated Media Player (IMP) which requires Windows and
Media Player 10

* The BBC 3D photo project found here www.bbc.co.uk/britain

I have outlined why I believe this strategy doesn't meet the charter
and identified the parts of the charter I believe you are not meeting.

* If you deliver content that can only be used by licence payers with
Microsoft software you reinforce Microsoft's market monopoly. When you
reinforce the monopoly you damage Microsoft's competitors. 
"...have regard to the competitive impact of the BBC's activities on
the wider market; and ensure that the BBC observes high standards of
openness and transparency."

* By demonstrating a closed attitude towards technology and content
where an open solution exists or can be built in partnership with the
open source community you loose your independence.  "...be
independent in all matters concerning the content of its output, the
times and manner in which this is supplied..."

* Relying upon only one company or organisation to provide an
important part of service delivery ties you into one vendor. 
"...secure the independence of the BBC"

I'd appreciate it if you could reply to this complaint.

Regards

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Josh Blacker]

The BBC has a responsibility to distribute it's content to as many license fee 
payers as possible, but we must seek a cost effective way to do this - 
especially whilst there is no single audio-visual standard. At present the cost 
of providing multiple formats is prohibitively high.



Shame the BBC can't get *its* staff to use apostrophes correctly. Perhaps
basic punctuation isn't cost-effective either?




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[James Dalley]

> Chris Rowson wrote:> > On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 
> >> You may all be interested in this article: > >> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm "BBC to hear> >> open 
> source concerns"> >> > > > > Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to 
> threaten the BBC> > with litigation before they'll listen though!> > 
> Optimism! I hope also that although they will have a meeting that they> will 
> actually 'listen'.> Listening is also fairly low cost. Action requires a 
> little more> commitment> > -- > alan cocks> Kubuntu user#10391>I got this 
> reply from them, but as you can see it's the usual...Probably automated..Dear 
> Mr Dalley Thank you for your e-mail. The BBC has a responsibility to 
> distribute it's content to as many license fee payers as possible, but we 
> must seek a cost effective way to do this - especially whilst there is no 
> single audio-visual standard. At present the cost of providing multiple 
> formats is prohibitively high.  We currently feel Real Player is the most 
> appropriate solution, since it is freely available on the internet and can be 
> installed on most operating systems. We also have a large archive of real 
> format material and a resilient technical infrastructure necessary to support 
> it.  However, the BBC is actively assessing new ways to distribute 
> audio-visual material across the internet. We have initiated a number of 
> trials and we are planning a new technical infrastructure which in the future 
> will increase flexibility of our output. For instance, you can now listen 
> live to all of our major national networks in Windows Media Audio format 
> Thank you once again for contacting us. Regards Richard CareyBBC 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[alan c]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You may all be interested in this article: 
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm "BBC to hear
>> open source concerns"
>> 
> 
> Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC
> with litigation before they'll listen though!

Optimism! I hope also that although they will have a meeting that they
will actually 'listen'.
Listening is also fairly low cost. Action requires a little more
commitment

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Chris Rowson]

On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You may all be interested in this article:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm
> "BBC to hear open source concerns"
>

Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC with
litigation before they'll listen though!

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Josh Blacker]

You may all be interested in this article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm
"BBC to hear open source concerns"

On 7/12/07, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jason Liquorish wrote:
> After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as
> bbc.co.uk  working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs
> mailing list:
>
> Hi all,
>   The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to
>
> 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only
> application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at
> least the first 2 years of the service.
>
> The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of
>
> the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the
> EU on the issue.
>
> To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this
> petition:
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/
>
> and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the
> Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC:
>
> http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/
>
> Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists
> that may be interested in our campaign.
>
> Thanks!
>
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>
> http://blog.dropshock.com
>

I've signed it and forwarded it on to my local LUG.

I was reading the recent story on The Register about this.  Seems like
the comments are 50/50 against and for Linux support.

I'd agree with the comments about releasing the instructions on how to
implement an Open Source player.  Heck, even if it does have DRM at
least it will be supported by more than just Windows.

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Rob Beard]

Jason Liquorish wrote:
> After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as 
> bbc.co.uk  working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs 
> mailing list:
> 
> Hi all,
>   The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to
> 
> 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only
> application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at
> least the first 2 years of the service.
> 
> The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of
> 
> the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the
> EU on the issue.
> 
> To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this
> petition:
>   
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/
> 
> and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the
> Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC:
>   
> http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/
> 
> Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists
> that may be interested in our campaign.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Jason Liquorish - Bassetts
> OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg
> 
> http://blog.dropshock.com
> 

I've signed it and forwarded it on to my local LUG.

I was reading the recent story on The Register about this.  Seems like 
the comments are 50/50 against and for Linux support.

I'd agree with the comments about releasing the instructions on how to 
implement an Open Source player.  Heck, even if it does have DRM at 
least it will be supported by more than just Windows.

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Nik Butler]

I wonder of those who sign it have also signed up and subscribed support 
to the open rights group as well ?

Also , wouldnt it be great to have a openID with openrights that we 
could use to sign the petitions with ?

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 01:47:13PM +0100, alan c wrote:
> Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have signed it a 
> while ago - so maybe duplicates are ignored :-)
> 

It does make me chuckle when I scroll down these petitions to see the same 
names pop up :)

"I know him!"
"and him!"
"*HE* signed it!?"

etc

cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[alan c]

Matthew Larsen wrote:
> yeah instantly :oS
> 
> On 10/07/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Matthew Larsen wrote:
>> > signed
>> >
>>
>> I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact
>> email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion?


Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have signed it a 
while ago - so maybe duplicates are ignored :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[David Restall - System Administrator]

Hi Alan,

> Matthew Larsen wrote:
> > signed
> > 
> 
> I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact 
> email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion?

I signed the petition a few minutes ago - the receipt email came in
within seconds.  My name was on the bottom of the petition too so it all
went smoothly for me.

Regards,



Dave
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Matthew Larsen]

yeah instantly :oS

On 10/07/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Larsen wrote:
> > signed
> >
>
> I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact
> email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[alan c]

Matthew Larsen wrote:
> signed
> 

I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact 
email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Matthew Larsen]

signed

On 10/07/07, Terence Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jason Liquorish wrote:
> > After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as
> > bbc.co.uk  working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs
> > mailing list:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >   The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to
> >
> > 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only
> > application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at
> > least the first 2 years of the service.
> >
> > The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of
> >
> > the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the
> > EU on the issue.
> >
> > To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this
> > petition:
> >
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/
> >
> > and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the
> > Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC:
> >
> > http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/
> >
> > Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists
> > that may be interested in our campaign.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Jason Liquorish - Bassetts
> > OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg
> >
> > http://blog.dropshock.com
> Have you read the press release on this[1]?
> It seems that the BBC are not developing the iPlayer for just Windows.
>  From the press release:
> "We are committed to making it as easy as possible to use BBC iPlayer.
> Developing a version for Apple Macs and Microsoft Vista is absolutely on
> our critical path."
>
> Although they still seem to be totally ignoring the whole Open Source
> community and probably have no plans to release a *NIX
> version.
>
> Without even asking the BBC I can already tell their what response would be:
> "Blah blah blah... We are committed to opening our services to the
> widest range of people... Blah blah... We have to respect the rights of
> the publishers of their media... Blah blah... Currently there is no way
> of accessing DRM "protected" media on Linux... Blah... We are currently
> working on this.. Blah... Thanks for your comments BLAH"
> (end rant)
>
>
> [1]
> 
>
>
> Terence
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Terence Simpson]

Jason Liquorish wrote:
> After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as 
> bbc.co.uk  working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs 
> mailing list:
>
> Hi all,
>   The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to
>
> 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only
> application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at
> least the first 2 years of the service.
>
> The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of
>
> the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the
> EU on the issue.
>
> To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this
> petition:
>   
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/
>
> and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the
> Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC:
>   
> http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/
>
> Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists
> that may be interested in our campaign.
>
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Jason Liquorish - Bassetts
> OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg
>
> http://blog.dropshock.com 
Have you read the press release on this[1]?
It seems that the BBC are not developing the iPlayer for just Windows.
 From the press release:
"We are committed to making it as easy as possible to use BBC iPlayer. 
Developing a version for Apple Macs and Microsoft Vista is absolutely on 
our critical path."

Although they still seem to be totally ignoring the whole Open Source 
community and probably have no plans to release a *NIX 
version.

Without even asking the BBC I can already tell their what response would be:
"Blah blah blah... We are committed to opening our services to the 
widest range of people... Blah blah... We have to respect the rights of 
the publishers of their media... Blah blah... Currently there is no way 
of accessing DRM "protected" media on Linux... Blah... We are currently 
working on this.. Blah... Thanks for your comments BLAH"
(end rant)


[1] 



Terence


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[ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

[Jason Liquorish]

After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as
bbc.co.ukworking I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list:

Hi all,
 The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to
30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only
application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at
least the first 2 years of the service.

The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of
the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the
EU on the issue.

To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this
petition:
 http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/

and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the
Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC:
 http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/

Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists
that may be interested in our campaign.

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