Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-31 Thread Laura Cowen
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Nik Butler wrote:
>> 3. We need to post a story to the Fridge and if we can locate one of
>> those end of show piccies ( Laura ? Tony ? Alan(s) ?
>
> Yes, yes, yes.  Especially if somebody sends me the photos---and after
> that
> if anyone has any extra time to note down the first 3 best/worst moments
> of
> the show I try to expand those to something better.
>
>   -Paul

The photos from my camera are online at:
http://gallery.tonywhitmore.co.uk/linuxexpo_oct_2006

Including pics of people-lying-on-the-floor-to-recreate-Edgy-logo and some
of the Maori warriors.

I took them so feel free to use them.

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-31 Thread alan c
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>>hmmm right out of the batting cage  I can see how if we can create
>>screencast tutorials  for these sort of things and then use things like
>>googleTube and the Wikis its going to boost awareness.. but yes please
>>...even from me !
> 
> 
> Just interested to know if you guys have heard of ubuntuclips.org? It
> plays host to community contributed short video clips demonstrating
> Ubuntu features and how to accomplish basic tasks for those new to it.
> Think any screencasts prepared should also get posted to there!?

I think, yes, if possible. It would help the focus of information for
newcomers. If they are from a winworld, they will be used to being run
down fairly narrow channels. Initially the Linux world can be very
confusing.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-31 Thread Jonathan Roberts
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>hmmm right out of the batting cage  I can see how if we can create
>screencast tutorials  for these sort of things and then use things like
>googleTube and the Wikis its going to boost awareness.. but yes please
>...even from me !


Just interested to know if you guys have heard of ubuntuclips.org? It
plays host to community contributed short video clips demonstrating
Ubuntu features and how to accomplish basic tasks for those new to it.
Think any screencasts prepared should also get posted to there!?

Jon
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread alan c
Nik Butler wrote:
>> Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
>> oriented in my experience. I have used instant messenger literally
>> once or twice, but never IRC. A few initial pointers would be appreciated.
>>   
> 
> Okay im dropping in here to be both Considerate and Helpful if I can .
> 
> Install  XChat  ( it available in the Package lists )
> 
> joining IRC is not to difficult since your going to need to know where 
> we are so you need to know two things , the Network is Freenode and the 
> channel onthat network is #ubuntu-uk
[...]
> http://ubuntu-uk.org/
> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/free

Follow up:
I easily installed xchat and when subsequently looking for it in the
Kmenu that Konversation (IRC) existed there. I could not see any
reference or instance of xchat - I am using Kubuntu at this point.
Maybe xchat needs the gnome desktop. Anyway having actually noticed
Konversation (IC) it was very easy to use indeed. It comes (in dapper)
preset with freenode, and #kubuntu channel, and then adding #ubuntu-uk
was also easy, so I dipped a toe into IRC, thanks.
I also run ubuntu so I will look at that too.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread alan c
Martin Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Reply to Alan C here expanding on what Nik has already said...
> 
> On 30/10/06, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
>> Okay im dropping in here to be both Considerate and Helpful if I can .
>> Install  XChat  ( it available in the Package lists )
> 
> It's worth pointing out that Gaim (Ubuntu/Gnome) and Kopete
> (Kubuntu/KDE) can both log into IRC and may be more friendly for new
> users, if infuriatingly limiting for the more experienced.
> 
> You can also add a IRC client as an extension in Firefox (search for
> IRC on Firefox extensions page) which will also allow Firefox to
> automatically open IRC URLs for you.
> 
>> joining IRC is not to difficult since your going to need to know where
>> we are so you need to know two things , the Network is Freenode and the
>> channel onthat network is #ubuntu-uk
> 
> If you need a full server name (I think gaim requires this) use
> irc.freenode.net which (should) automatically connect you to the
> nearest freenode server.  Most applications have lists of servers in
> them.
> 
> Once you've connected you need to use the /join command to enter a
> channel.  Just type:
> 
> /join #ubuntu-uk
> 
> ...in the main window.  If you're doing this in Kopete (as I've just
> discovered) you need to add it as an automatic command on connect (on
> the 3rd tab)

Thanks

>> Since im an experienced user i never documented the process and now that
>> I type it I find i make very many assumptions , however since your
>> totally new  to IRC would you mind making notes and taking screenshots
>> as you go and then we can talk about posting these on the wiki ?
> 
> That's an interesting method for beginners guides "Here's roughly
> how to do something you don't know anything about, write us a guide
> once you've figured it out".  It sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but
> it might actually work...!  Best way to learn is to teach.

LOL
I have an empathy with real beginners anyway it seems, and will be
glad to try to get something together. One delaying factor just now -
I have gotten a (non pc type) virus which I am speaking sternly to.

> I could write up some guides for different clients if that would be
> beneficial?  Might be bigger in scope than the UK wiki pages.
> Martin

This sounds like a very good idea to me. It would be useful to have a
central reference location or link etc because dispersed information
is ok for experienced users but is very difficult for real beginners.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Nik Butler
>
> I don't think Ubuntu UK should have extending Jono's software as one of
> its goals - it just looks kinda strange. 
>   
Yeah , I figured that after I had posted about it, I should have restate 
the conversation better because it does look like a jono spec. The 
conversation came about from a number of Members who were looking for 
ways to aid new users with some common tasks. We discussed screencasts 
and demo videos and the conversation as you can see from those 
interested was more about what exists , how well does it work , what 
will be needed to make it better and what do we do . It was Jono who 
added a clear spec of what should be achieved and what we might expect 
the process to do. I guess its the clarity of the specification that 
enabled the idea to Gel quickly. I nominaly wanted to call it Vodka ( 
dont ask ! ) but I was thinking about where JoKosher could fit in and 
wrote Vodkosher . So I guess I will take the blame for the pushing this 
project along. I can see Mr Morley has already begun the process of 
sampling what can and cant be done in hi Gaim Demo.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Caroline Ford
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 16:40 +, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> On Monday 30 October 2006 14:29, Jono Bacon wrote:
> > Can I recommend fortnightly meetings during the day on IRC. We will
> > never please everyone, but many of the core contributors see to be on
> > during the day. Naturally this will lock some people out, so do speak up
> > if you can't make it.
> 
> Seems to me that most people will be working during the day, while I presume 
> everyone has Internet access available at home in the evening. I didn't 
> manage to attend the last meeting, but I'd be interested in attending the 
> next one.

I'd suggest that evenings would enable a much larger turnout. I imagine
the number of people who have irc at work (and can use it for ubuntu)
must be fairly small.

However I personally am unlikely to attend either. I think I'd rather
concentrate on the Ubuntu QA and art work I'm doing currently, and my
local LUG. I think that would be a more productive use of my time and
would have greater effect.

I don't think Ubuntu UK should have extending Jono's software as one of
its goals - it just looks kinda strange. 

One thing I am interested in is working on our language support -
although that doesn't have to be a specific Ubuntu thing and may work
better as "Open Source - in your language" including projects like the
welsh and bengali wikipedias. 

Caroline


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Dean Sas
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Martin Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Reply to Alan C here expanding on what Nik has already said...
> 
> On 30/10/06, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Since im an experienced user i never documented the process and now that
>> I type it I find i make very many assumptions , however since your
>> totally new  to IRC would you mind making notes and taking screenshots
>> as you go and then we can talk about posting these on the wiki ?
> 
> That's an interesting method for beginners guides "Here's roughly
> how to do something you don't know anything about, write us a guide
> once you've figured it out".  It sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but
> it might actually work...!  Best way to learn is to teach.
> 
> I could write up some guides for different clients if that would be
> beneficial?  Might be bigger in scope than the UK wiki pages.
> 

Sounds good, why not make the guides more generic and have them be on
the Ubuntu help wiki [1]. It may be wise to check no-one else has done
the work beforehand though - I wrote about connecting to #ubuntu via
xchat-gnome is in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, I'm not sure if alternative
clients are covered in the wiki or xubuntu/kubuntu docs.

Dean

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick
Reply to Alan C here expanding on what Nik has already said...

On 30/10/06, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
> Okay im dropping in here to be both Considerate and Helpful if I can .
> Install  XChat  ( it available in the Package lists )

It's worth pointing out that Gaim (Ubuntu/Gnome) and Kopete
(Kubuntu/KDE) can both log into IRC and may be more friendly for new
users, if infuriatingly limiting for the more experienced.

You can also add a IRC client as an extension in Firefox (search for
IRC on Firefox extensions page) which will also allow Firefox to
automatically open IRC URLs for you.

> joining IRC is not to difficult since your going to need to know where
> we are so you need to know two things , the Network is Freenode and the
> channel onthat network is #ubuntu-uk

If you need a full server name (I think gaim requires this) use
irc.freenode.net which (should) automatically connect you to the
nearest freenode server.  Most applications have lists of servers in
them.

Once you've connected you need to use the /join command to enter a
channel.  Just type:

/join #ubuntu-uk

...in the main window.  If you're doing this in Kopete (as I've just
discovered) you need to add it as an automatic command on connect (on
the 3rd tab)

> Since im an experienced user i never documented the process and now that
> I type it I find i make very many assumptions , however since your
> totally new  to IRC would you mind making notes and taking screenshots
> as you go and then we can talk about posting these on the wiki ?

That's an interesting method for beginners guides "Here's roughly
how to do something you don't know anything about, write us a guide
once you've figured it out".  It sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but
it might actually work...!  Best way to learn is to teach.

I could write up some guides for different clients if that would be
beneficial?  Might be bigger in scope than the UK wiki pages.

Martin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread alan c
Nik Butler wrote:
>> Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
>> oriented in my experience. I have used instant messenger literally
>> once or twice, but never IRC. A few initial pointers would be appreciated.
>>   
> 
> Okay im dropping in here to be both Considerate and Helpful if I can .
> 
> Install  XChat  ( it available in the Package lists )
> 
> joining IRC is not to difficult since your going to need to know where 
> we are so you need to know two things , the Network is Freenode and the 
> channel onthat network is #ubuntu-uk
> 
> Since im an experienced user i never documented the process and now that 
> I type it I find i make very many assumptions , however since your 
> totally new  to IRC would you mind making notes and taking screenshots 
> as you go and then we can talk about posting these on the wiki ?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Nik
> 
> ps .. some useful links
> 
> http://ubuntu-uk.org/
> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/free

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread David Morley
On 30/10/06, Nicholas Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>
> > I can go for an istanbul video for gaim irc if you want?
> >
> >
> >
> hmmm right out of the batting cage  I can see how if we can create
> screencast tutorials  for these sort of things and then use things like
> googleTube and the Wikis its going to boost awareness.. but yes please
> ...even from me !
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Nicholas Butler

>> 
> I can go for an istanbul video for gaim irc if you want?
>
>
>   
hmmm right out of the batting cage  I can see how if we can create 
screencast tutorials  for these sort of things and then use things like 
googleTube and the Wikis its going to boost awareness.. but yes please 
...even from me !


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread David Morley
On 30/10/06, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
> > oriented in my experience. I have used instant messenger literally
> > once or twice, but never IRC. A few initial pointers would be appreciated.
> >
>
> Okay im dropping in here to be both Considerate and Helpful if I can .
>
> Install  XChat  ( it available in the Package lists )
>
> joining IRC is not to difficult since your going to need to know where
> we are so you need to know two things , the Network is Freenode and the
> channel onthat network is #ubuntu-uk
>
> Since im an experienced user i never documented the process and now that
> I type it I find i make very many assumptions , however since your
> totally new  to IRC would you mind making notes and taking screenshots
> as you go and then we can talk about posting these on the wiki ?
>
I can go for an istanbul video for gaim irc if you want?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Nik Butler

> Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
> oriented in my experience. I have used instant messenger literally
> once or twice, but never IRC. A few initial pointers would be appreciated.
>   

Okay im dropping in here to be both Considerate and Helpful if I can .

Install  XChat  ( it available in the Package lists )

joining IRC is not to difficult since your going to need to know where 
we are so you need to know two things , the Network is Freenode and the 
channel onthat network is #ubuntu-uk

Since im an experienced user i never documented the process and now that 
I type it I find i make very many assumptions , however since your 
totally new  to IRC would you mind making notes and taking screenshots 
as you go and then we can talk about posting these on the wiki ?

Cheers

Nik

ps .. some useful links

http://ubuntu-uk.org/
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/free

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread alan c
Nik Butler wrote:
> Ive posted the minutes as per my Scrawl here
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UkTeamMeetingNotes
> 
> There were two things mentions one of which needs to be agreed before 
> Tommorow
> 
> 1. The date of the next Online Team Meeting via IRC 

Help. How do I get to begin to use IRC? I have been very much email
oriented in my experience. I have used instant messenger literally
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread alan c
Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Nik Butler wrote:
>> 3. We need to post a story to the Fridge and if we can locate one of 
>> those end of show piccies ( Laura ? Tony ? Alan(s) ?
> 
> Yes, yes, yes.  Especially if somebody sends me the photos---and after that
> if anyone has any extra time to note down the first 3 best/worst moments of
> the show I try to expand those to something better.

At one stage I was between corridors, a professor and his academic
colleague were apparently passing behind me, the prof noticed the
Ubuntu sticker on my hat - said loudly to his colleague 'this guy can
help!' He then explained that they had 5 million pounds grant to help
with a particular education project in South Africa, and they were
going to use Ubuntu, and where could they get a SA Ubuntu contact
from?  Since we were only about 6 meters from the Canonical stand, I
did not have to take them far :-)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Adam Bagnall
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Nik Butler wrote:
> Ive posted the minutes as per my Scrawl here
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UkTeamMeetingNotes
> 
> There were two things mentions one of which needs to be agreed before 
> Tommorow
> 
> 1. The date of the next Online Team Meeting via IRC and the format as 
> well as moderators/chairman and possibly agenda.
> 
> 2. Vodkosher the Jono Bacon Screencast capture/edit project.
> The following people expressed an interest in screencapture project 
> technologies and addressing the issues relevant in the utilisation and 
> implementation of it. Nik Butler,   Alan Pope, Mike Preston, Chris 
> Hannan, John Levin, Alan Helmore-Simpson, Geddes Peart . What we do next 
> is upto someone.
> 
> 3. We need to post a story to the Fridge and if we can locate one of 
> those end of show piccies ( Laura ? Tony ? Alan(s) ? who had the cameras 
> ? ) id like to use one of those and either Jono or I can knock out a 
> paragraph to send to Linux User & Developer and Linux format etc etc etc.
> 
> 
> 4... um thats all for now.
> 
> 
> Oh yes , i have the figures for CDs and Poloshirts but thats going to 
> take another 30 minutes to write up and im out of time for now so I will 
> post that later.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nik
> 
> 
> 
I've created a gallery on the wiki, only one picture on there at the
moment, but I'm sure you lot will add more :-)
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Nik Butler

> They will certainly get a mention though;  anyone remember *anything* else
> about the show?
>
>   -Paul
>   
Apart from convincing people to line up and lay down and make like an 
Edgy Logo ?
Me being asked if I was jono ! I mean where the heck did that come from ?
the Stand blocking the aisle for both days ( um sorry 
Jokosher/hula/postgres ! )
The Canonical lot asking us for more CDs, see the Support team was 
working already.
Getting Everyone on the Stand and Canonical and MadDog(?) to sign the 
Ubuntu Conference Tshirt, its on its way for Mr Shuttleworth to sign off 
and then up for Auction for Children In Need.
Running out of Medium Sized polo shirts on day 1 .. sorry about that !
The First UKTeam meeting face to face where in we realised that we 
needed a Video App similar in quality and functionaluty to Jokosher.
Alan Cocks being determined to singlehandedly fix the Documentation Bug 
on everyone of our Kubuntu CDs. ( the Trooper ! ) . Hes a great example 
of how to begin to get involved and how to help make things better. Oh 
that and his multi boot Laptop!

other than that .. no . im out of ideas .. sorry

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Paul Sladen
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Dave Murphy wrote:
> Paul Sladen wrote:
> > Yes, yes, yes.  Especially if somebody sends me the photos---and after that
> > if anyone has any extra time to note down the first 3 best/worst moments of
> > the show I try to expand those to something better.
> Can I nominate the Maori (sp?) warriors for one of the worst moments?

Hey, don't diss them.  Most of the people I spoke to though they were
advertising Ubuntu.  Free publicity is always good! :)

They will certainly get a mention though;  anyone remember *anything* else
about the show?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Murphy
Paul Sladen wrote:
> Yes, yes, yes.  Especially if somebody sends me the photos---and after that
> if anyone has any extra time to note down the first 3 best/worst moments of
> the show I try to expand those to something better.

Can I nominate the Maori (sp?) warriors for one of the worst moments?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Monday 30 October 2006 14:29, Jono Bacon wrote:
> Can I recommend fortnightly meetings during the day on IRC. We will
> never please everyone, but many of the core contributors see to be on
> during the day. Naturally this will lock some people out, so do speak up
> if you can't make it.

Seems to me that most people will be working during the day, while I presume 
everyone has Internet access available at home in the evening. I didn't 
manage to attend the last meeting, but I'd be interested in attending the 
next one.

Kind thoughts,
Francis Giannaros (apokryphos)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Paul Sladen
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Nik Butler wrote:
> 3. We need to post a story to the Fridge and if we can locate one of 
> those end of show piccies ( Laura ? Tony ? Alan(s) ?

Yes, yes, yes.  Especially if somebody sends me the photos---and after that
if anyone has any extra time to note down the first 3 best/worst moments of
the show I try to expand those to something better.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Jono Bacon
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 14:13 +, Nik Butler wrote:
> Ive posted the minutes as per my Scrawl here
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UkTeamMeetingNotes

Great work Nik! It would be great if we could line up a bunch of names
of people who want to work on the different things, and then maybe
prioritise the list.

> There were two things mentions one of which needs to be agreed before 
> Tommorow
> 
> 1. The date of the next Online Team Meeting via IRC and the format as 
> well as moderators/chairman and possibly agenda.

Can I recommend fortnightly meetings during the day on IRC. We will
never please everyone, but many of the core contributors see to be on
during the day. Naturally this will lock some people out, so do speak up
if you can't make it.

> 2. Vodkosher the Jono Bacon Screencast capture/edit project.
> The following people expressed an interest in screencapture project 
> technologies and addressing the issues relevant in the utilisation and 
> implementation of it. Nik Butler,   Alan Pope, Mike Preston, Chris 
> Hannan, John Levin, Alan Helmore-Simpson, Geddes Peart . What we do next 
> is upto someone.

I would like to open this up a general team, so not a UK specific thing
if possible. I think a number of people would be interested in
developing screencasts, but if a small collection of UK Team people can
kick off the project, that would be good. So if the project starts out
small, develops some docs and guides and then we can open it out to a
wider team.

I recommend that those who want to help identify who they are, and start
working on some guides on the Ubuntu wiki. Maybe at
wiki.ubuntu.com/MakingScreencasts.

> 3. We need to post a story to the Fridge and if we can locate one of 
> those end of show piccies ( Laura ? Tony ? Alan(s) ? who had the cameras 
> ? ) id like to use one of those and either Jono or I can knock out a 
> paragraph to send to Linux User & Developer and Linux format etc etc etc.

Yes. Could someone write up something about it, I am a bit strapped for
time right now.

Jono

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[ubuntu-uk] UKTeam Meetings Minutes

2006-10-30 Thread Nik Butler
Ive posted the minutes as per my Scrawl here

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UkTeamMeetingNotes

There were two things mentions one of which needs to be agreed before 
Tommorow

1. The date of the next Online Team Meeting via IRC and the format as 
well as moderators/chairman and possibly agenda.

2. Vodkosher the Jono Bacon Screencast capture/edit project.
The following people expressed an interest in screencapture project 
technologies and addressing the issues relevant in the utilisation and 
implementation of it. Nik Butler,   Alan Pope, Mike Preston, Chris 
Hannan, John Levin, Alan Helmore-Simpson, Geddes Peart . What we do next 
is upto someone.

3. We need to post a story to the Fridge and if we can locate one of 
those end of show piccies ( Laura ? Tony ? Alan(s) ? who had the cameras 
? ) id like to use one of those and either Jono or I can knock out a 
paragraph to send to Linux User & Developer and Linux format etc etc etc.


4... um thats all for now.


Oh yes , i have the figures for CDs and Poloshirts but thats going to 
take another 30 minutes to write up and im out of time for now so I will 
post that later.


Regards

Nik



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