Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 09:21 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: Not really a turnaround. The trademark policy is quite clear on modifying the logo. http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy Those have been the same since at least 2005, probably longer. In which case nowt has changed then ;-) So there should be no problem with submitting modified graphics to Canonical for approval :-P You're not reading any of the links I've posted. At the above link, under Logo Standards, it explains in detail what Canonical would prefer you to do in relation to the logo, and that includes not modifying it except in the ways stipulated. So does Matthew's email that I linked to earlier in the thread. However, as we've all said on this thread already, Canonical are quite nice about the issue in general. These are intended to be guidelines, which we should follow, rather than some kind of dictatorial stance. I don't really see how this issue is complicated!! Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Hi Matt, However, as we've all said on this thread already, Canonical are quite nice about the issue in general. These are intended to be guidelines, which we should follow, rather than some kind of dictatorial stance. I don't really see how this issue is complicated!! Matt It's not complicated. I was only confused when you came into discussion with your first post saying: So, if redesigning the logo, please follow his guidelines. It sounded more like a directive than a suggestion, which lead me to believe that you where instructing me (given content of this thread, in which I was asking for feedback on a logo I'd created) to stay away from modifying the logo in the manner in which I had ... If I was wrong I apologise profusely, although I do remain somewhat confused as to the point of the entire conversation thus far! Kind Regards Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Not really a turnaround. The trademark policy is quite clear on modifying the logo. http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy Those have been the same since at least 2005, probably longer. In which case nowt has changed then ;-) So there should be no problem with submitting modified graphics to Canonical for approval :-P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Well - feel free to use if for whatever, like I say - it was an experiment, if you want to submit it as the team logo again (of course if everyone is in agreement) then feel free, if you don't feel free ;-) - I didn't have a particular function in mind when I created it, and donate it freely to the team. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On Tue, March 27, 2007 1:09 am, Dave Murphy wrote: Alan Pope wrote: I was under the impression that we can't use a logo derived from the Ubuntu one without it getting approval first. We have been through that process for the current logo. The details are here: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy In a nutshell, the ubuntu logo - including the circle of friends - are a trademark of Canonical and cannot be used or modified without their permission. Reading between the lines (IANAL nor do I play one on TV etc.) they're not going to be bothered what individuals use as forum avatars etc., but if a group want to use it then they should get it approved. That said, getting our current logo approved was fairly straightforward, although we (purposely) didn't stray to far from the original. Canonical is beginning to understand that customising the logo is in fact a bad idea and causes the initial logo to lose its power. For example, see the recent advice from the Ubuntu webmaster for locoteams who customise the logo - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-March/001196.html So, if redesigning the logo, please follow his guidelines. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On 27/03/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, see the recent advice from the Ubuntu webmaster for locoteams who customise the logo - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-March/001196.html So, if redesigning the logo, please follow his guidelines. Matt -- Hi Matt - If following the guidelines, it looks like we can't customise the logo at all! (Well, unless you count changing one small line of text as customisation...) Chris Also - when looking at the Demos https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates The two sites showcasing the new theme are still using their own logos ;-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
For example, see the recent advice from the Ubuntu webmaster for locoteams who customise the logo - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-March/001196.html So, if redesigning the logo, please follow his guidelines. Matt -- Hi Matt - If following the guidelines, it looks like we can't customise the logo at all! (Well, unless you count changing one small line of text as customisation...) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Chris Rowson wrote: Also - when looking at the Demos https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates The two sites showcasing the new theme are still using their own logos ;-) ...and I'm willing to guess (but happy to be proved wrong) that neither of those logos are approved... -- Dave Murphy - http://www.schwuk.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On Tue, March 27, 2007 2:55 pm, Dave Murphy wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: Also - when looking at the Demos https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates The two sites showcasing the new theme are still using their own logos ;-) ...and I'm willing to guess (but happy to be proved wrong) that neither of those logos are approved... It's likely that they were approved because Canonical have been quite easy in the past about this. However Matthew's email shows that they are now (rightly, in my opinion) looking to have more consistent logos used. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
It's likely that they were approved because Canonical have been quite easy in the past about this. However Matthew's email shows that they are now (rightly, in my opinion) looking to have more consistent logos used. Ah OK - So Canonical doesn't allow derivative works to be made of their logo anymore. That's a shame really, as I think it helps foster links between the community and Canonical. I don't work for Canonical - neither do most of the other members of LoCo groups, but I support the work that Canonical does. In my honest opinion this should at least be reflected in the merging of canonical imagery with community. Forcing a style is a little unpleasant. Just my tuppence worth ;-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Chris, Chris Rowson wrote: Ah OK - So Canonical doesn't allow derivative works to be made of their logo anymore. That's a shame really, as I think it helps foster links between the community and Canonical. I don't work for Canonical - neither do most of the other members of LoCo groups, but I support the work that Canonical does. In my honest opinion this should at least be reflected in the merging of canonical imagery with community. Forcing a style is a little unpleasant. Organisations have to be very protective about their trademarks. If they are allowed to be used freely as is or modified, then they can lose their trademark status through general usage. The Kleenex company in the US had this problem many years ago. I think there was a big court case about it. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Organisations have to be very protective about their trademarks. If they are allowed to be used freely as is or modified, then they can lose their trademark status through general usage. The Kleenex company in the US had this problem many years ago. I think there was a big court case about it. Regards, Tony. That's fair enough Tony. I was really commenting about Matt saying: Canonical is beginning to understand that customising the logo is in fact a bad idea and causes the initial logo to lose its power. I didn't mean using it without their permission so they loose trademark status because of general usage. I was commenting on the turnaround from granting derivative works to disallowing them if you see what I mean Regards Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 17:18 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: It's likely that they were approved because Canonical have been quite easy in the past about this. However Matthew's email shows that they are now (rightly, in my opinion) looking to have more consistent logos used. Ah OK - So Canonical doesn't allow derivative works to be made of their logo anymore. That's a shame really, as I think it helps foster links between the community and Canonical. No, that's totally the wrong end of the stick (did you read the url I posted?) - any groups are generally perfectly free to use the logo, subject to permission being obtained as described on the Trademark webpage. Such permission is generally granted easily. However, in his email, the webmaster asked (and it's no more than asked) to avoid *modifying* the logo. That's very different from preventing use of the logo. Matt -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Chris, Chris Rowson wrote: Organisations have to be very protective about their trademarks. If they are allowed to be used freely as is or modified, then they can lose their trademark status through general usage. The Kleenex company in the US had this problem many years ago. I think there was a big court case about it. Regards, Tony. That's fair enough Tony. I was really commenting about Matt saying: Canonical is beginning to understand that customising the logo is in fact a bad idea and causes the initial logo to lose its power. I didn't mean using it without their permission so they loose trademark status because of general usage. I was commenting on the turnaround from granting derivative works to disallowing them if you see what I mean OK. I think Matt has clarified this in a later posting. It's certainly a bit of a turn around. Maybe they got lawyers involved! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Hi folks, I've been trying to get better at using Gimp and Inkscape and have created some ubuntu-uk artwork. It's a single graphic type jobby that'd be OK for a forum avatar, desktop icon or whatnot If anyone likes it, feel free to use it. If anyone has any feedback, please feel free to offer constructive criticism as I am a gimp and inkscape noob!!! http://justuber.com/graphics_and_artwork:ubuntu Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Chris Rowson wrote: Hi folks, I've been trying to get better at using Gimp and Inkscape and have created some ubuntu-uk artwork. It's a single graphic type jobby that'd be OK for a forum avatar, desktop icon or whatnot If anyone likes it, feel free to use it. If anyone has any feedback, please feel free to offer constructive criticism as I am a gimp and inkscape noob!!! http://justuber.com/graphics_and_artwork:ubuntu Nice job! Is this meant to replace or complement the existing UK logo as seen at the top of the UK team Wiki page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/? Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:43:14PM +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: Hi folks, I've been trying to get better at using Gimp and Inkscape and have created some ubuntu-uk artwork. It's a single graphic type jobby that'd be OK for a forum avatar, desktop icon or whatnot If anyone likes it, feel free to use it. If anyone has any feedback, please feel free to offer constructive criticism as I am a gimp and inkscape noob!!! http://justuber.com/graphics_and_artwork:ubuntu Nice job! Is this meant to replace or complement the existing UK logo as seen at the top of the UK team Wiki page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/? I was under the impression that we can't use a logo derived from the Ubuntu one without it getting approval first. We have been through that process for the current logo. I am not suggesting we do or don't change the existing logo, just passing on the info. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
