Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Oakley wrote: Matthew Daubney wrote: Kris Douglas wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 2:45 PM, Matthew Daubney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: concerned about laptops, heat and dust. I might just buy a cheap case and some fans and try and fit the laptop guts into that when the time it as it is, as the cooling in laptops is based around the air entry and exit points, just as it is on thin servers and desktops, in one end and out the other.. Ah well, maybe I'll win the lottery and be able to buy my own rack mount In 2002, I ran a small company that installed computers for THIS lot: http://www.farmingtonnaturalstone.co.uk ie. A QUARRY. Doesn't get more dusty than that. My answer wasn't fancy cases or rack-mounting. My answer was bog standard cases with 5 quids' worth of kitchen cooker hood filter! Cut to size and velcro over the *inside* of the air intake grilles. We used Velcro to make it easy to replace the filters; we replaced them every 3 months, but then it was a limestone quarry, so in a loft you could probably get away with once per year. You can get cooker hood filters from Currys or Comet. Five quid will buy you about one and a half square metres of the stuff. A typical PC will only require about fifty square centimetres. That's very intelligent. I hadn't thought of that. Shall keep it in mind for the future! Thanks a lot :-) - -Matt Daubney -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHshdBFCCtWdXdKqERAhCeAJ0X0eCvWZwWiGOxlVJXZnWrSe8fTQCePwSh LcezG1JTvhmYMZMa9Q9Ycac= =NGNB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kris Douglas wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 2:45 PM, Matthew Daubney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got an old laptop doing the job at the minute, but I'm always concerned about laptops, heat and dust. I might just buy a cheap case and some fans and try and fit the laptop guts into that when the time comes I couldn't really recommend that, you would probably do better leaving it as it is, as the cooling in laptops is based around the air entry and exit points, just as it is on thin servers and desktops, in one end and out the other.. Ah well, maybe I'll win the lottery and be able to buy my own rack mount setup. I can dream. - -Matt Daubney -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHsggfFCCtWdXdKqERAmWZAJ9OpHV8fF/b7zRuqsOcuLnZWKn+SwCgrGqe 7SbZM3aeqo6ys7kuMODsZJM= =AU/5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Rob Beard wrote: Maybe someone else might want to advise on partitioning the drives, I can never remember if /var should have more space than /usr. IIRC it's down to what you want to use the server for. Rob /var is where the logs go, as well as MySQL databases and Apache's default document root - I always partition this separately to prevent it filling up the entire disk should something suddenly bloat in size. The only other volume I tend to keep separate is /home for obvious reasons, in my experience /usr is unlikely to fill up unless you specifically tell it to (ie. installing loads of new software). Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
On Feb 12, 2008 2:45 PM, Matthew Daubney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got an old laptop doing the job at the minute, but I'm always concerned about laptops, heat and dust. I might just buy a cheap case and some fans and try and fit the laptop guts into that when the time comes I couldn't really recommend that, you would probably do better leaving it as it is, as the cooling in laptops is based around the air entry and exit points, just as it is on thin servers and desktops, in one end and out the other.. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Quoting Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rob Beard wrote: I'd be reluctant to use NTFS on a Linux box. I'd personally use EXT3 format over some proprietary file system with fragmentation issues. It doesn't appear to mention that it is possible to get an EXT3 driver for Windows, and in any case, if the machine died I'd use an Ubuntu Live CD to get the data off. Thanks for all the tips - will be trying it all this weekend. Eddie Good luck. The basic installation will probably only take you 20 minutes or so depending on the hardware, you also have the option of installing a standard server or a LAMP server (which is a standard server plus Apache, MySQL and PHP - saves a few minutes installing them separately, but you might want to go for the standard server option). Maybe someone else might want to advise on partitioning the drives, I can never remember if /var should have more space than /usr. IIRC it's down to what you want to use the server for. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Beard wrote: Matthew Daubney wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Beard wrote: Eddie Armstrong wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Not sure if you'd need the 32MB card, does it have on-board video? Not AFAIK it spare anyway it seems it might be useful Maybe. If it's anything like the old Dell machines we have at work (OptiPlex GX100/GX110 machines) the on-board video will cover most if not all tasks. An extra video card could maybe give you dual head. My server is running a 2 meg S3 PCI video card and it sits in the loft. I have an old 14 CRT monitor attached which rarely gets used. Most of the time the server just runs. snip Is your loft converted? If not do you have problems with dust? or heat in the summers? (thinking ahead to the point where me and the missus get a place in a couple of years and have no space for my server/office/work room) It does get fairly warm in the summer but the server has been working okay. I installed a couple of fast noisy large fans blowing on the hard drives to keep it cool which I can barely hear. If you could afford it, maybe a MiniITX system might be an idea if you have a lack of space? Rob I've got an old laptop doing the job at the minute, but I'm always concerned about laptops, heat and dust. I might just buy a cheap case and some fans and try and fit the laptop guts into that when the time comes Thanks for the info though, - -Matt Daubney -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHsbEZFCCtWdXdKqERAvX1AJ0RI6pIuj7z0JKQyEJjUVVnZ5kOCwCgr7WD PWAaMrqTjUulD0Be3wAVOtg= =5xOU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
George MacLeod wrote: I'm also planning a similar project with an old PIII Thanks for the link - but I expect installing it to be the easy part (wishful thinking?) I shall be fiddling this weekend - good luck with yours. Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Rob Beard wrote: I'd be reluctant to use NTFS on a Linux box. I'd personally use EXT3 format over some proprietary file system with fragmentation issues. It doesn't appear to mention that it is possible to get an EXT3 driver for Windows, and in any case, if the machine died I'd use an Ubuntu Live CD to get the data off. Thanks for all the tips - will be trying it all this weekend. Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 09:30:26AM +, Eddie Armstrong wrote: Does anybody know what they are? Here's the spec of a box I use for shell access and it also hold my Ubuntu mirrors (via an attached USB2 hard disk). [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo cpu MHz : 398.804 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 190972 kB Works very well. I had to add a PCI USB2 card for the external drives because the internal USB was 1.1. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Eddie Armstrong wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Not sure if you'd need the 32MB card, does it have on-board video? Not AFAIK it spare anyway it seems it might be useful Maybe. If it's anything like the old Dell machines we have at work (OptiPlex GX100/GX110 machines) the on-board video will cover most if not all tasks. An extra video card could maybe give you dual head. My server is running a 2 meg S3 PCI video card and it sits in the loft. I have an old 14 CRT monitor attached which rarely gets used. Most of the time the server just runs. Are you going to run software raid on the hard drives? I Not at first maybe get something later Do you need to run FLAC streams? Oh Yes - this is my one (?) weakness! Must be CD quality :-) AFAIK FLAC is more CPU hungry when compressing audio. O But will compress/uncompress take place on the desktop/player or server? i am worried about streaming 2 audio streams and maybe ordinary file transfer and general use by 2 users at home. As far as I know the compression takes place on the server. Being a lossless compression unless it has dedicated hardware (for instance APT-X as used in the radio industry) then it'll use the main CPU. It may work but you might find that you'd have to plump for a faster CPU or high quality OGG stream. To be honest OGG is pretty good and better than MP3 format. Where are the bottlenecks - can one drive cope with data throughput? I'd say use an Ultra DMA IDE cable, I suppose you'd be looking at UDMA66, possibly UDMA100 which would probably be fast enough for a couple of audio streams. It also runs VMWare Server which runs another server installation which does my e-mails (so it's basically two machines in one). A Don't give me ideas :-) It's energy efficient :-) I managed to consolidate two servers into one. If I had a enough spare cash to upgrade the server to a dual core machine I could probably run a couple of servers on it. I take it Apache isn't going to be heavily used if it's for testing? No, 2 users- domestic use for server, Apache for testing - maybe small databases later. Most heavy use will be for music while I work Eddie I'm sure your P3 machine will be up to the task. Give it a try, you won't loose much, just think of it as a learning experience. If it doesn't work then just have a re-think :-) Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
I'm also planning a similar project with an old PIII and I found this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-home-fileserver which will certainly help me as I'm new to server set ups etc. Seoras On 11/02/2008, Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am considering setting up a home server for streaming audio/file sharing etc and as a learning environment (for me to learn server-related stuff) . I have looked on the Ubuntu site but can't find the system requirements for Ubuntu Server. Does anybody know what they are? I have an old PIII or I can use a Pentium 4 if necessary. I would like to put XFCE on there in case I need a GUI at some stage Does this sound reasonable? TIA Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
George MacLeod wrote: I'm also planning a similar project with an old PIII and I found this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-home-fileserver which will certainly help me as I'm new to server set ups etc. Seoras I'm not so sure about a couple of things... The server is built with Ubuntu Server 7.10 Samba. Do not use Ubuntu Server 5.04 LTS because this version does not support the latest SATA Controllers (in an Pentium II or III you likely want to use a PCI SATA RAID controller to attach SATA hard disks). I think they mean Ubuntu Server 6.06 LTS. To be honest for a server I'd rather use an LTS version as I'd want to install the server and not have to worry about updates running out and having to upgrade (or install a new version of Ubuntu) for a few years. Under the requirements it says... The hard disks for data storage in the file server must be formatted in the NTFS format. You can use the Gparted live CD to do this job. I'd be reluctant to use NTFS on a Linux box. I'd personally use EXT3 format over some proprietary file system with fragmentation issues. It doesn't appear to mention that it is possible to get an EXT3 driver for Windows, and in any case, if the machine died I'd use an Ubuntu Live CD to get the data off. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Beard wrote: Eddie Armstrong wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Not sure if you'd need the 32MB card, does it have on-board video? Not AFAIK it spare anyway it seems it might be useful Maybe. If it's anything like the old Dell machines we have at work (OptiPlex GX100/GX110 machines) the on-board video will cover most if not all tasks. An extra video card could maybe give you dual head. My server is running a 2 meg S3 PCI video card and it sits in the loft. I have an old 14 CRT monitor attached which rarely gets used. Most of the time the server just runs. snip Is your loft converted? If not do you have problems with dust? or heat in the summers? (thinking ahead to the point where me and the missus get a place in a couple of years and have no space for my server/office/work room) - -Matt Daubney -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHsLZWFCCtWdXdKqERAozbAJ9lEju1o8PbTV1rKN48K8vtRd+vggCgmoLl 0mo3zm1R16hBaABqakNSpCw= =MNE6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Rob Beard wrote: Not sure if you'd need the 32MB card, does it have on-board video? Not AFAIK it spare anyway it seems it might be useful Are you going to run software raid on the hard drives? I Not at first maybe get something later Do you need to run FLAC streams? Oh Yes - this is my one (?) weakness! Must be CD quality :-) AFAIK FLAC is more CPU hungry when compressing audio. O But will compress/uncompress take place on the desktop/player or server? i am worried about streaming 2 audio streams and maybe ordinary file transfer and general use by 2 users at home. Where are the bottlenecks - can one drive cope with data throughput? It also runs VMWare Server which runs another server installation which does my e-mails (so it's basically two machines in one). A Don't give me ideas :-) I take it Apache isn't going to be heavily used if it's for testing? No, 2 users- domestic use for server, Apache for testing - maybe small databases later. Most heavy use will be for music while I work Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Quoting Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am considering setting up a home server for streaming audio/file sharing etc and as a learning environment (for me to learn server-related stuff) . I have looked on the Ubuntu site but can't find the system requirements for Ubuntu Server. Does anybody know what they are? I have an old PIII or I can use a Pentium 4 if necessary. I would like to put XFCE on there in case I need a GUI at some stage Does this sound reasonable? TIA Eddie I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS server on an old Pentium 3 667 and an Athlon 800 and it works fine. From experience I've found the more memory you can give the machine the better. You can install XFCE on it but I would have thought it would dump on a load more packages too if you install the xubuntu-desktop meta package. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
Matthew Daubney wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Beard wrote: Eddie Armstrong wrote: Rob Beard wrote: Not sure if you'd need the 32MB card, does it have on-board video? Not AFAIK it spare anyway it seems it might be useful Maybe. If it's anything like the old Dell machines we have at work (OptiPlex GX100/GX110 machines) the on-board video will cover most if not all tasks. An extra video card could maybe give you dual head. My server is running a 2 meg S3 PCI video card and it sits in the loft. I have an old 14 CRT monitor attached which rarely gets used. Most of the time the server just runs. snip Is your loft converted? If not do you have problems with dust? or heat in the summers? (thinking ahead to the point where me and the missus get a place in a couple of years and have no space for my server/office/work room) It does get fairly warm in the summer but the server has been working okay. I installed a couple of fast noisy large fans blowing on the hard drives to keep it cool which I can barely hear. If you could afford it, maybe a MiniITX system might be an idea if you have a lack of space? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
I am considering setting up a home server for streaming audio/file sharing etc and as a learning environment (for me to learn server-related stuff) . I have looked on the Ubuntu site but can't find the system requirements for Ubuntu Server. Does anybody know what they are? I have an old PIII or I can use a Pentium 4 if necessary. I would like to put XFCE on there in case I need a GUI at some stage Does this sound reasonable? TIA Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
On Feb 11, 2008 9:30 AM, Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am considering setting up a home server for streaming audio/file sharing etc and as a learning environment (for me to learn server-related stuff) . I have looked on the Ubuntu site but can't find the system requirements for Ubuntu Server. Does anybody know what they are? I have an old PIII or I can use a Pentium 4 if necessary. I would like to put XFCE on there in case I need a GUI at some stage Does this sound reasonable? TIA Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You can run it in very low spec environment, i've had it working well in a 450mhz/ 64mb ram environment... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server - sys req?
- Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am considering setting up a home server for streaming audio/file sharing etc and as a learning environment (for me to learn server-related stuff) . I have looked on the Ubuntu site but can't find the system requirements for Ubuntu Server. Does anybody know what they are? I have an old PIII or I can use a Pentium 4 if necessary. I would like to put XFCE on there in case I need a GUI at some stage Does this sound reasonable? TIA Eddie I've run Ubuntu Server on a PI before, so thats fine! (Looking at using it as networked file storage box. Unfortunately, the hardware decided not to play ball, but it ran ok) XFCE, PIII would work, but I'd recommend using the P4 if you can spare it. Otherwise, try and use plain Ubuntu Server, without a GUI. You can always ask here or in IRC for help if you get stuck. HTH, Johnathon -- Blog: http://www.kirrus.co.uk UK Plone Hosting: http://www.plone-hosting.co.uk RPG: Lt Aieron Peters, XO DS5. http://ds5.brisub.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Thanks you all for your comments - very interesting - so it seems I'll be safe. The suggested PC is my current desktop minus all the goodies I've been adding for the last 10 years - I'll be putting them on the new-er one (I like to recycle) The suggested server is a PIII 700MHZ with 768MB RAM (old pc133, IIRC an old Dell that is now maxed out for memory) - I have an old 32MB nvidia graphics card I could reinstall- would that be ANY use at all :-) ? It won't take new-fangled (i.e. three generations old) graphics cards because of the power supply unit (wind-up model with crank handle) HDD will be about 19GB for system etc + 2nd drive(s) for files. BIG Q: If I am running a basic filesharing + Apache _ testing/learning things like web-site, Moodle/Plone I would also want possibly two streams of FLAC audio in the future one for me and one for my partner (taste clash) Would I need separate drives,(separate servers, separate homes)? I'm not sure how a drive would cope with all that streaming (pre SATA, I'm afraid) As I only have space for two IDE drives - I was going to use expansion slots for USB 2.0 card(built-in are only USB 1), graphics card card and Ethernet to wi-fi router. I'm actually cannibalising some old pcs for this - I'll keep the P4 for my desktop then :-) and bung er, install all my goodies into it. Nice Vid, btw, Andrew (assuming you are the same Mr Oakley) (Rather masochistically looking forward to and dreading this) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
