Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 6 September 2011 15:03, Paula Graham pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Unity's not half as bad on 11.10 - even in alpha it worked better than it did on 11.04. At the current beta stage, the communication deck (under the envelope icon) is acting very, very weird but the rest of it is working pretty well. I'm not getting the dock jamming or completely disappearing, or the desktop freezing and requiring re-logging in etc etc. Also the previously godawful alt+tab cycling now works properly - unlike 11.04 where you couldn't see WTF was going on or tell the app icons apart. The 'put' key combos work properly too. Integration of Mozilla stuff still sux a bit but it doesn't seem to be crashing Unity as badly as it did on 11.04. Nice job! I'm still not crazy about the loss of widgets and it's crap lack of customisation options in general (bloody 'ell, you can't even create a custom launcher in 11.10 without editing a ruddy .desktop file manually - that really is inconvenient! OK non-techies don't want to run scripts but do you want to chase people who do away?) but at least it works overall. Also, it's now very *pretty* - which makes me feel a lot better about it and I can finally get proper transparency on the dock with compiz manager. I had to change my way of working on the desktop drastically but memory of the pain is now fading. Very interesting - thanks for that! Most of all, I did Fossbox' first workshop on 're-use with Ubuntu' with 11.04 a couple of months ago and all the non-techies really loved the Unity interface. I thought they'd never work it out as it seems ridiculously complicated to me but it turns out if you're not used to GNOME classic, it's actually easier to learn because it's like a smartphone with an app store. So s'pose that's the proof of the pudding. People aren't expecting to be able to customise their desktop experience so that's not bothering them either. And /that/ is fascinating to know! -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
Hi Is the classic interface using gnome 3? and is this going to remain an option, i currently run 11.04 with classic will i still have this option if i upgrade to 11.10? Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 6 September 2011 11:48, paul sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Is the classic interface using gnome 3? The Classic interface in 11.04 uses GNOME 2.x, because 11.04 ships with GNOME 2.x not GNOME 3.x. and is this going to remain an option, i currently run 11.04 with classic will i still have this option if i upgrade to 11.10? No. Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
Al, On 06/09/11 11:50, Alan Pope wrote: Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Does that mean the Classic interface will no longer be available or will we still be able to use it somehow? Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 705 344 3082 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
Tony Arnold wrote: Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Does that mean the Classic interface will no longer be available Effectively, yes. There's not much scope for Gnome 2 existing alongside Gnome 3. You can get close to it with XFCE (in xubuntu-desktop) which of late is basically a less-polished version of Gnome 2.x. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 06/09/11 11:48, paul sutton wrote: Hi Is the classic interface using gnome 3? and is this going to remain an option, i currently run 11.04 with classic will i still have this option if i upgrade to 11.10? Paul Unity's not half as bad on 11.10 - even in alpha it worked better than it did on 11.04. At the current beta stage, the communication deck (under the envelope icon) is acting very, very weird but the rest of it is working pretty well. I'm not getting the dock jamming or completely disappearing, or the desktop freezing and requiring re-logging in etc etc. Also the previously godawful alt+tab cycling now works properly - unlike 11.04 where you couldn't see WTF was going on or tell the app icons apart. The 'put' key combos work properly too. Integration of Mozilla stuff still sux a bit but it doesn't seem to be crashing Unity as badly as it did on 11.04. Nice job! I'm still not crazy about the loss of widgets and it's crap lack of customisation options in general (bloody 'ell, you can't even create a custom launcher in 11.10 without editing a ruddy .desktop file manually - that really is inconvenient! OK non-techies don't want to run scripts but do you want to chase people who do away?) but at least it works overall. Also, it's now very *pretty* - which makes me feel a lot better about it and I can finally get proper transparency on the dock with compiz manager. I had to change my way of working on the desktop drastically but memory of the pain is now fading. Most of all, I did Fossbox' first workshop on 're-use with Ubuntu' with 11.04 a couple of months ago and all the non-techies really loved the Unity interface. I thought they'd never work it out as it seems ridiculously complicated to me but it turns out if you're not used to GNOME classic, it's actually easier to learn because it's like a smartphone with an app store. So s'pose that's the proof of the pudding. People aren't expecting to be able to customise their desktop experience so that's not bothering them either. My worst problem on Oneiric is that, at the moment, I can't sync anything - syncevolution not working properly (and logs not telling me anything I can use) and funambol seem to have given up on Linux/TBird (plugin for 6 seems to be 'in development' as a community sideline so not holding my breath for TBird 7 funambol plugin). Hoping the promised duplex integration with Ubuntu One contacts will be finished quick - but that still leaves my calendars limping along on ical. Seems a bit premature to make TBird default when it can't even sync with my memotoo account any more? Why on earth Mozilla didn't use opensync in the first place often puzzles me - ah, yes, Windows users . . . well, at least we'll get some sort of a choice now - but why sync to Ubuntu One? I use Ubuntu One for files, but not for syncing my PIM (cos it doesn't do it right and I've no idea how that would work on my maemo phone and I'm not faffing around on the cli when there's a perfectly good GUI syncml client for it). Why not either make Ubuntu One sync my contacts, cals and tasks *properly* like memotoo with GUI clients for main smartphone OSs or let me have the choice to use opensync with memotoo which already does the job fabulously. Opensync ain't broke so why fix it - when contacts first synced with Ubuntu One it broke syncevolution - you now get a choice about whether to install couchdb but if you've no choice about sync protocols, it's pointless. It's the one thing Evolution does perfectly - for everything else, Evolution is horrible. Nevertheless, I tried to switch to Evolution so I can have sync - but even syncevolution's not working with Evolution. What I want is TBird with PROPER opensync. Please? I wouldn't even mind paying UbuntuOne for this - given that I pay memotoo AND I pay UbuntuOne already for file sync - but it has to really work as this is a crucial aspect of my working life. The point of now-defunct scheduleworld and memotoo is that they sync anything to anything without fuss. That's how it should be . . . the setup with TBird default mail client syncing only to UbuntuOne is perilously close to lock-in - and lock-in to something that doesn't actually work as well. By all means compete with Memotoo/syncevolution, but at least offer something comparable? I also haven't yet tried setting up remote desktops - so here's hoping Unity 2D works with neatx (assuming neatx will ever be maintained) or x2go - will test this soon. NX goes to GNOME classic on 11.04, will it go to 2D on Oneiric? Is that supported by NX? There was some talk about getting x2go into Oneiric but I don't know if this happened - or if that will work with 2D? Anyway, if you're desperate for classic, apparently you can still install the package gnome-session-fallback on Oneiric but I think might as well either bite the Unity/Gnome 3 bullet and get it over with or change to XFCE really. The only reason
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
Hello, On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 12:44:27PM +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Does that mean the Classic interface will no longer be available Effectively, yes. There's not much scope for Gnome 2 existing alongside Gnome 3. Erm, not really. 2.32 obviously won't be available as Oneiric has GNOME 3. But that's not the same as saying there is no alternative to Unity. There's gnome-shell. There's gnome-panel 3 (AKA gnome fallback mode) which is rather similar (but not exactly the same) as gnome-panel 2. I'm using it right now. It's not the end of the world. It's pretty Classic. Cheers, -- Iain Lane [ i...@orangesquash.org.uk ] Debian Developer [ la...@debian.org ] Ubuntu Developer [ la...@ubuntu.com ] PhD student [ i...@cs.nott.ac.uk ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 06/09/11 16:01, Iain Lane wrote: Hello, On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 12:44:27PM +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Does that mean the Classic interface will no longer be available Effectively, yes. There's not much scope for Gnome 2 existing alongside Gnome 3. Erm, not really. 2.32 obviously won't be available as Oneiric has GNOME 3. But that's not the same as saying there is no alternative to Unity. There's gnome-shell. There's gnome-panel 3 (AKA gnome fallback mode) which is rather similar (but not exactly the same) as gnome-panel 2. I'm using it right now. It's not the end of the world. It's pretty Classic. That's reassuring. Thanks. I was worried the current Classic style interface was disappearing all together. I presume over the longer term that Canonical will concentrate its efforts on Unity and the Gnome upstream team will concentrate on gnome-shell as their preferred interfaces, so the gnome-panel or Classic style interface may well disappear or at least become less and less well supported at some stage. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 705 344 3082 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
Iain Lane wrote: Hello, On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 12:44:27PM +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Does that mean the Classic interface will no longer be available Effectively, yes. There's not much scope for Gnome 2 existing alongside Gnome 3. Erm, not really. 2.32 obviously won't be available as Oneiric has GNOME 3. But that's not the same as saying there is no alternative to Unity. No, which is why I didn't say that. I said that the classic interface will no longer be available, which is true. Generally, there's no 'Classic Interface' any more (post-11.10), but there's a few things which provide varying degrees of similarity to it. There's even alternatives to Gnome 3 which are also unlike Gnome 2. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 06/09/11 16:03, Paula Graham wrote: Most of all, I did Fossbox' first workshop on 're-use with Ubuntu' with 11.04 a couple of months ago and all the non-techies really loved the Unity interface. I thought they'd never work it out as it seems ridiculously complicated to me but it turns out if you're not used to GNOME classic, it's actually easier to learn because it's like a smartphone with an app store. So s'pose that's the proof of the pudding. People aren't expecting to be able to customise their desktop experience so that's not bothering them either. Well said Paula! I think the techies just have to stop wingeing - Windows users are going to love the final version. And I'm sure once Unity is finalised, it will become far easier for us to hack. Meantime I'm more than happy to run with it. Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Iain Lane wrote: Hello, On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 12:44:27PM +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Does that mean the Classic interface will no longer be available Effectively, yes. There's not much scope for Gnome 2 existing alongside Gnome 3. Erm, not really. 2.32 obviously won't be available as Oneiric has GNOME 3. But that's not the same as saying there is no alternative to Unity. No, which is why I didn't say that. I said that the classic interface will no longer be available, which is true. Generally, there's no 'Classic Interface' any more (post-11.10), but there's a few things which provide varying degrees of similarity to it. There's even alternatives to Gnome 3 which are also unlike Gnome 2. Perhaps I don't understand what the word Effectiely means. I would have said it effectively is there for most people. -- Iain Lane [ i...@orangesquash.org.uk ] Debian Developer [ la...@debian.org ] Ubuntu Developer [ la...@ubuntu.com ] PhD student [ i...@cs.nott.ac.uk ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 06/09/11 11:50, Alan Pope wrote: On 6 September 2011 11:48, paul suttonzl...@zleap.net wrote: Is the classic interface using gnome 3? The Classic interface in 11.04 uses GNOME 2.x, because 11.04 ships with GNOME 2.x not GNOME 3.x. and is this going to remain an option, i currently run 11.04 with classic will i still have this option if i upgrade to 11.10? No. Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Al. Just a thought, would it be possible to install the xubuntu-desktop package to install Xubuntu then upgrade to Xubuntu 11.10 from there? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 6 September 2011 19:50, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 06/09/11 11:50, Alan Pope wrote: On 6 September 2011 11:48, paul suttonzl...@zleap.net wrote: Is the classic interface using gnome 3? The Classic interface in 11.04 uses GNOME 2.x, because 11.04 ships with GNOME 2.x not GNOME 3.x. and is this going to remain an option, i currently run 11.04 with classic will i still have this option if i upgrade to 11.10? No. Ubuntu 11.10 will ship with GNOME 3.x and Unity 3D as the default desktop with Unity 2D as the alternative option, not Classic. Al. Just a thought, would it be possible to install the xubuntu-desktop package to install Xubuntu then upgrade to Xubuntu 11.10 from there? In theory, yes, although I have done a similar thing in the past (installed xubuntu-desktop on server 10.04, then installed ubuntu-desktop) and while they can then be selected from the login menu, the two systems aren't separate. With the right sources it should be able to update one path rather than the other. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Is this your sanderling? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
