Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
On 24/05/12 09:01, Philip Stubbs wrote: I have been using Ubuntu quite happily for a few years. It has been great having a stable system. However, it seems that the good times are over. Look at the graph at [1]. That is if the machine has not crashed again. It can be seen how unreliable this machine is since the upgrade to 12.04. If this was the only machine I had, then I would not think too much about it. Unfortunately I have two other machines that have also been upgraded to 12.04 that also no longer have the same stability as before. I am now torn. On the one hand, it would be good to wipe the machines clean and try with a fresh install instead of an upgrade. On the other hand, if I am going to wipe the computers clean, it would be an ideal time to jump ship, and possibly revert to using Debian again. This dilemma will probably result in me doing nothing until the 12.04.1 upgrade. [1]http://stuphi.co.uk/serverstats/graph.php?graph=0start=-31536000title=Year What did you upgrade from? From personal experience I always do a fresh install when upgrading from LTS to LTS as there are years worth of differences between them. Saying that I still haven't upgraded from 10.04 at work. Gibbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/05/12 09:25, Gibbs wrote: On 24/05/12 09:01, Philip Stubbs wrote: I have been using Ubuntu quite happily for a few years. It has been great having a stable system. However, it seems that the good times are over. Look at the graph at [1]. That is if the machine has not crashed again. It can be seen how unreliable this machine is since the upgrade to 12.04. If this was the only machine I had, then I would not think too much about it. Unfortunately I have two other machines that have also been upgraded to 12.04 that also no longer have the same stability as before. I am now torn. On the one hand, it would be good to wipe the machines clean and try with a fresh install instead of an upgrade. On the other hand, if I am going to wipe the computers clean, it would be an ideal time to jump ship, and possibly revert to using Debian again. This dilemma will probably result in me doing nothing until the 12.04.1 upgrade. [1]http://stuphi.co.uk/serverstats/graph.php?graph=0start=-31536000title=Year What did you upgrade from? From personal experience I always do a fresh install when upgrading from LTS to LTS as there are years worth of differences between them. Saying that I still haven't upgraded from 10.04 at work. Gibbs Are you actually experiencing crashes or is it that you get lots of there is a problem report it dialogs? The reason I ask is there is a new system in place that detects every error rather than crash and reports them to error.ubuntu.com so the devs can clean up their code and get their apps out of the top 10 and in the process clean up the code for everyones use. So it might be that the devs knew the code threw up an error but muted the output and the user never knew where as this new system exposes all of that, so you will initially see a lot of these error boxes, the plan being that they will slowly but surely ease off as the devs fix the code. I hope that answers the question. - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk++C+UACgkQT5xqyT+h3OjN4gCgiVAORJq+x/oNg9k0m1AbjDPN S50AnRCe7qfpm6g+TaQ3UFd0p9e1uu0w =Udgp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
On 2012-05-24 09:25, Gibbs wrote: What did you upgrade from? From personal experience I always do a fresh install when upgrading from LTS to LTS as there are years worth of differences between them. Saying that I still haven't upgraded from 10.04 at work. I have upgraded servers from 10.04 to 12.04, AND one server from 10.10 through 11.04 and 11.10 to 12.04. All are fine. No crashes so far, everything is stable. This seems to be a problem specific to your setup. We can help further if you provide a profile of the server. What hardware? What software? What does crash mean? Total lockup? Kernel panic with output on console? Processes (like snmpd) crashing? Regards, Tyler -- Copyright is a bargain, not property. We agreed not to copy because they agreed it would only be for a short period of time. They have broken their end of the bargain; we are now breaking ours. -- Russell Nelson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
On 24 May 2012 14:00, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com wrote: I have upgraded servers from 10.04 to 12.04, AND one server from 10.10 through 11.04 and 11.10 to 12.04. All are fine. No crashes so far, everything is stable. This seems to be a problem specific to your setup. We can help further if you provide a profile of the server. What hardware? What software? What does crash mean? Total lockup? Kernel panic with output on console? Processes (like snmpd) crashing? I have three machines that were all upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04. They all worked reliably on 11.10. One of the machines, an old 1.7 GHz Celeron IBM desktop acts as my server. After upgrade it appears to kernel panic. The screen plugged into it is a bit broken, so I have only once caught the screen output before it power saves. I can't wake the screen without rebooting the machine, so I am only guessing that the other failures are the same. My desktop machine is probably the most tinkered with. It sometimes stalls on boot. At different places. Sometimes I have noticed it mentions waiting for network configuration. The boot is very slow. Turn on and go get a cup of tea. Minutes, not seconds. It is not a super fast machine, but should not be this slow. Also, when logging in, Unity is slow to start up. Not minutes, but a real long pause. I recently tried Xmonad for fun, and thought that the it could not be running correct as it started so fast! :-) The second desktop locked up the other day. My wife uses this machine, and all I know is that she needed to turn off and on again. Sorry, but I can't cope trying to get a more detailed response. The two desktops, once up and running don't seem to crash, but then they are only on when required. Only the server is on 24/7. I know that I should dig and get more details, but Ubuntu is supposed to be Linux for Humans. These days I just want to get on and use the machine, not spend hours just keeping them going. Don't get me wrong. I am not unhappy with Ubuntu. Just a little underwhelmed with this release. If I were supporting machines like mine professionally, I would be having a real paddy. But then I would also be more inclined to fix things ;-) -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
On 2012-05-24 15:43, Philip Stubbs wrote: I know that I should dig and get more details, but Ubuntu is supposed to be Linux for Humans. These days I just want to get on and use the machine, not spend hours just keeping them going. I think your problem is that it is Linux for Humans, not Linux for Tinkerers. :) If you have heavily modified anything, beware of upgrades. I love customising, but I've learned to stay close to defaults for this reason. I think you have no choice BUT to dig. Capturing the kernel panic is good. Also consider sysloging to a remote host and see if it turns up anything (but it can't catch a panic). I suspect you'll find a reinstall works where an upgrade doesn't. I generally rsync most things in / to /home/root.old, then install over. Then copy back anything of note. Regards, Tyler -- I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
On 24/05/12 16:12, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: I think your problem is that it is Linux for Humans, not Linux for Tinkerers. :) If you have heavily modified anything, beware of upgrades. I love customising, but I've learned to stay close to defaults for this reason. I think you have no choice BUT to dig. Capturing the kernel panic is good. Also consider sysloging to a remote host and see if it turns up anything (but it can't catch a panic). I suspect you'll find a reinstall works where an upgrade doesn't. I generally rsync most things in / to /home/root.old, then install over. Then copy back anything of note. This is EXACTLY what i was trying to say (though not very well). A virtually un-customised Ubuntu release upgrades just fine. If folk like to customise, then do a clean install, because your customisation is not likely to survive an upgrade anyway. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
** Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.uk [2012-05-24 11:24]: snip Are you actually experiencing crashes or is it that you get lots of there is a problem report it dialogs? The reason I ask is there is a new system in place that detects every error rather than crash and reports them to error.ubuntu.com so the devs can clean up their code and get their apps out of the top 10 and in the process clean up the code for everyones use. So it might be that the devs knew the code threw up an error but muted the output and the user never knew where as this new system exposes all of that, so you will initially see a lot of these error boxes, the plan being that they will slowly but surely ease off as the devs fix the code. ** end quote [Dave Morley] Yes, I've noticed a good number of these errors, in fact my two desktops that have been upgraded from 11.10 clean installs to 12.04 both give two or three of these every time they boot up. I've not managed to find out what the problem is as there doesn't seem to be much info, just a prompt to decide whether to report it or not. The ones I have noticed have been Unity restarting quite often. It clearly isn't a graphics driver issue since these are very different machines, one an AMD 2800+ with nVidia graphics, the other an AMD A4-3400 with on board Radeon and a separate Radeon dual screen setup. The only thing about lots of error reports is that it doesn't look good to users, it may be worth considering a global setting so you can say 'yes to all'. Of course the other thing about my setup is that it is Unity 2D which never seems to be as good as teh 3D version. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 failing for me.
This dilemma will probably result in me doing nothing until the 12.04.1 upgrade. as far as I knew this was the recomened option for going from LTS to LTS. Update manager does not even offer the option on the desktop. Seems it will be some time in july.-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
