Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Llywelyn Owen wrote: If a shop sells a desktop Linux PCs they'll lose a lot of the after sales market, no AV/firewall/security sales, no office productivity sales, no OS upgrade sales, you may not even go back for a new PC as often let alone for some of their peripheral devices which may not have drivers. Same with magazines such as Computer Shopper - only lip service to OSS since they would lose even more advertisers and free hard/software to test. it would certainly be a different business model yes. Modern cars are reliable, so what happened to all the local repair garages? (My first car was built in 1939, it needed love and magic). The overwhelming momentum in the retail side is one central reason why it is so hard to get the word across. It is also easy for some to collude with OS monopolistic practices. From the consumer's point of view, it is usual to expect that 'If it is advertised, it exists'. People expect significant retail and advertising activity, for product credibility. Significantly I got 'retail withdrawal' symptoms for a long time after I began using Linux! No joke, very disorienting. I am not rich and do not spend much anyway, but initially I felt uncomfortable until I bought a retail suse box even though I had also downloaded. My biggest fear is of Linux/FOSS being promoted unintentionally by a celebrity user (think Twiggy and the Mini) and our community bring unprepared for the cries for help. LOL A really nice dream! :-) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
If a shop sells a desktop Linux PCs they'll lose a lot of the after sales market, no AV/firewall/security sales, no office productivity sales, no OS upgrade sales, you may not even go back for a new PC as often let alone for some of their peripheral devices which may not have drivers. Same with magazines such as Computer Shopper - only lip service to OSS since they would lose even more advertisers and free hard/software to test. My biggest fear is of Linux/FOSS being promoted unintentionally by a celebrity user (think Twiggy and the Mini) and our community bring unprepared for the cries for help. Regards Llywelyn Owen -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Benjamin Webb wrote: I was having a look at how the BBC was covering the launch of Vista and found this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6310599.stm I was reasured that it did mention Linux, albeit only briefly and has a quote from a satisfied Linux user. Is that anyone here btw? Not a single mention of Linux from Maggie Philbin, who for some unfathomable reason was BBC Breakfast's expert talking about the release of Vista on yesterday morning's programme. Awful. -- _ __/| William Anderson | Tim: Your cheese game is strong. \`O_o' neuro at well dot com | Zane: My cheese game. It's all about the =(_ _)= http://neuro.me.uk/ | cheese platter. U - Thhbt! GPG 0xFA5F1100 | -- Tim Westwood, Zane Lowe, R1, Dec 2005 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
On Jan 31, 2007 at 11:38, William Anderson praised the llamas by saying: Not a single mention of Linux from Maggie Philbin, who for some unfathomable reason was BBC Breakfast's expert talking about the release of Vista on yesterday morning's programme. Awful. Just be thankful that they didn't get a random taxi driver to be their expert. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:09:17 + From: paul mellors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed John McCourt wrote: No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Linux will never compete with the marketing drive of Microsoft. And windows users will never swap until it's just as easy to use and easy to setup and it has the same support the same driver support the same games applications, oh you know what i mean i needn't go on I disagree, I think it would be more realistic to say windows users will never swap until you can walk into a shop and buy a Linux PC that's already been set up for you, I think that by far most of the Windows PCs are bought 'as is' and most users never go near an O/S installation or pugrade. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Martyn wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:09:17 + From: paul mellors [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed John McCourt wrote: No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Linux will never compete with the marketing drive of Microsoft. And windows users will never swap until it's just as easy to use and easy to setup and it has the same support the same driver support the same games applications, oh you know what i mean i needn't go on I disagree, I think it would be more realistic to say windows users will never swap until you can walk into a shop and buy a Linux PC that's already been set up for you, I think that by far most of the Windows PCs are bought 'as is' and most users never go near an O/S installation or pugrade. absolutely! In recent years the retail preinstalled market and the hold that ms has - by whatever means - produces no choice and defacto 'computer = windows' for most non techy users. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
I disagree, I think it would be more realistic to say windows users will never swap until you can walk into a shop and buy a Linux PC that's already been set up for you, I think that by far most of the Windows PCs are bought 'as is' and most users never go near an O/S installation or pugrade. Has any linux distro company tried selling Desktop PCs with their distro pre-installed? I know Dell sell some PCs with linux pre-installed. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
On 31/01/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah I clicked on customise, went to OS and see Linux is not there! I will poke around further if I still can't find it Dell will be getting a strongly worded email. OK my fault I should have read it thoroughly, you actually have to contact your Dell Sales Representative to get Linux. So where are the ones that I don't have to phone a guy for? (Maybe I should not have been looking at something labelled small business, I thought it was a bit expensive). _ Andy -- Did you think it should be legal to rip a CD to your PC or MP3 player? Change the law, sign the petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/privatecopy/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Martyn wrote: pugrade. That describes Vista quite well, from what I've read... -- Garry Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Andy wrote: So where are the ones that I don't have to phone a guy for? You always have to phone Dell. That's how they work. -- Garry Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Vista is the BIG thing in the IT world at the moment getting all the attention and until the novelty wears off and that blows over it will stay the big thing. The press simply wont be interested in little Linux when the big guns are making a new release. The Mac advertising campaign has got very agressive in recent days too linux doesn't really have much of an advertising campaign and isn't visible on too many popular sites in the form of banners or mentions and because of this Linux is largely going unheard, unseen and unnoticed on most major sites and tv stations. Vista and Mac are both being advertised regularly on the most popular sites on the world. --- Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was having a look at how the BBC was covering the launch of Vista and found this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6310599.stm I was reasured that it did mention Linux, albeit only briefly and has a quote from a satisfied Linux user. Is that anyone here btw? --Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Check out the Poll on http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_vista_vote Seems 78.38% of us are not intending to update to Vista. Probably not an acturate Poll as I voted 'no' three times. Must be all those Linux fans boys out there click 'no' all day. :-) Colin On 1/30/07, John McCourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Vista is the BIG thing in the IT world at the moment getting all the attention and until the novelty wears off and that blows over it will stay the big thing. The press simply wont be interested in little Linux when the big guns are making a new release. The Mac advertising campaign has got very agressive in recent days too linux doesn't really have much of an advertising campaign and isn't visible on too many popular sites in the form of banners or mentions and because of this Linux is largely going unheard, unseen and unnoticed on most major sites and tv stations. Vista and Mac are both being advertised regularly on the most popular sites on the world. --- Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was having a look at how the BBC was covering the launch of Vista and found this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6310599.stm I was reasured that it did mention Linux, albeit only briefly and has a quote from a satisfied Linux user. Is that anyone here btw? --Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
On 30/01/07, John McCourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Vista is the BIG thing in the IT world at the moment getting all the attention and until the novelty wears off and that blows over it will stay the big thing. The press simply wont be interested in little Linux when the big guns are making a new release. Your're probably right. Microsoft will be taking the spotlight. linux doesn't really have much of an advertising campaign and isn't visible on too many popular sites in the form of banners or mentions and because of this Linux is largely going unheard, unseen and unnoticed on most major sites and tv stations. Vista and Mac are both being advertised regularly on the most popular sites on the world. However, we ought to try to make people more aware that they don't need to use this propietary software. IMO, there should be some campaign to try to show people that Linux can be a viable alternative to Windows Vista. No matter how small the effect, it will be worth the effort, even if just to say we did not stand by and let microsoft create a monopoly. --Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 20:29 +, Colin_The_Technician wrote: Check out the Poll on http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_vista_vote Seems 78.38% of us are not intending to update to Vista. Probably not an acturate Poll as I voted 'no' three times. Must be all those Linux fans boys out there click 'no' all day. :-) Colin Face it, Vista will be massive. This not because people will be installing it, after all who wants to get robbed? It's $100 in the US, £100 here! SCAMARAMA!! But when people buy a new computer you will be getting Vista in it, like you did with XP. Where linux wins is when people start to discover what a pain all the built in DRM in Vista is. How after it's been out for six months to a year there will be virus problems etc. So, rather than worrying about Vista, us Linux users should be aiming to 'convert' people who get sick of it. I was looking at a Vista PC today, yeah, Vista looks nice, very rich in eye candy, but who will care about that after they've been using it for a while? baz -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
On 30/01/07, baza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 20:29 +, Colin_The_Technician wrote: Check out the Poll on http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_vista_vote Seems 78.38% of us are not intending to update to Vista. Probably not an acturate Poll as I voted 'no' three times. Must be all those Linux fans boys out there click 'no' all day. :-) Colin Face it, Vista will be massive. This not because people will be installing it, after all who wants to get robbed? It's $100 in the US, £100 here! SCAMARAMA!! But when people buy a new computer you will be getting Vista in it, like you did with XP. Where linux wins is when people start to discover what a pain all the built in DRM in Vista is. How after it's been out for six months to a year there will be virus problems etc. So, rather than worrying about Vista, us Linux users should be aiming to 'convert' people who get sick of it. I was looking at a Vista PC today, yeah, Vista looks nice, very rich in eye candy, but who will care about that after they've been using it for a while? baz -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I think you've got a point actually. But we could try to spare some people the pain of having to use Vista in the first place :). As for eye-candy. Kubuntu + Beryl Vista. Search for Beryl on a site like Youtube and you will see how good it is (unfortunately, I haven't got round to installing it myself yet). The features easily match the new Vista Aero interface. --Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
Though this is probably true it should not discourage members from trying. Marketing Linux has a 'snowball' effect, more users == faster expansion On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 20:43 +, Benjamin Webb wrote: On 30/01/07, John McCourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Vista is the BIG thing in the IT world at the moment getting all the attention and until the novelty wears off and that blows over it will stay the big thing. The press simply wont be interested in little Linux when the big guns are making a new release. Your're probably right. Microsoft will be taking the spotlight. linux doesn't really have much of an advertising campaign and isn't visible on too many popular sites in the form of banners or mentions and because of this Linux is largely going unheard, unseen and unnoticed on most major sites and tv stations. Vista and Mac are both being advertised regularly on the most popular sites on the world. However, we ought to try to make people more aware that they don't need to use this propietary software. IMO, there should be some campaign to try to show people that Linux can be a viable alternative to Windows Vista. No matter how small the effect, it will be worth the effort, even if just to say we did not stand by and let microsoft create a monopoly. --Ben Webb ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
I heard a review on BBC Radio 4 of vista- they called it underwhelming. Caroline On 30/01/07, baza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 20:29 +, Colin_The_Technician wrote: Check out the Poll on http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_vista_vote Seems 78.38% of us are not intending to update to Vista. Probably not an acturate Poll as I voted 'no' three times. Must be all those Linux fans boys out there click 'no' all day. :-) Colin Face it, Vista will be massive. This not because people will be installing it, after all who wants to get robbed? It's $100 in the US, £100 here! SCAMARAMA!! But when people buy a new computer you will be getting Vista in it, like you did with XP. Where linux wins is when people start to discover what a pain all the built in DRM in Vista is. How after it's been out for six months to a year there will be virus problems etc. So, rather than worrying about Vista, us Linux users should be aiming to 'convert' people who get sick of it. I was looking at a Vista PC today, yeah, Vista looks nice, very rich in eye candy, but who will care about that after they've been using it for a while? baz -- +++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage
John McCourt wrote: No offense, but Linux is not gonna have any chance at competing with the marketing drive of Microsoft over the next few months. Linux will never compete with the marketing drive of Microsoft. And windows users will never swap until it's just as easy to use and easy to setup and it has the same support the same driver support the same games applications, oh you know what i mean i needn't go on -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
