Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread William Anderson
Not sure how much this has to do with Ubuntu ... :) but anyway:

Jai Harrison wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I have been using a Nokia 3220 since around late 2004. Recently I've
> been doing so over the free Blyk network but as that's now shutting
> down (in 2 and 1/2 weeks) I'm in need of a new phone network. My
> phone's battery dies very quickly (although I just ordered a
> replacement one to maintain some use of the phone).

If you're happy with the coverage you get with Blyk, you may want to
move to Orange, it's the same network (Blyk are/were an Orange MVNO, and
Orange are going to retain the service format in some manner).

> As I now need to get a new network I figured it would be great to have
> internet access out and about. Of course this means getting a modern
> phone as well but I've been planning on replacing my current phone for
> a *long* time.
> 
> Also factor in that I'm a student who's never had a contract before so
> the idea is very daunting to me. Especially because of almost no
> income and mostly loans. I figure that I will have to take a contract
> to get decent rates for texts/minutes and internet.

Why?  If you're reticient to commit to a contract, especially if you
have low income, stick to PAYG or sim-only short term contracts (30
days).  As a cautionary tale, I bought an E71+18mo contract in November
2008, and I lost my job in March; I still have to pay for the E71 until
May 2010.

The networks are quite keen to retain PAYG customers, so they will do
offers and bundles to give you allowances while keeping you off a
contract.  T-Mobile, for example, do 'boosters', for example £20 for 300
minutes and unlimited texts for 30 days.

> So next comes two epically difficult tasks:
> 1) Find a network with decent rates on texts, minutes and a reasonable
> "unlimited" plan (500mb is not reasonable). At the same time don't
> lock myself into an 18-24 month contract.

They're all much of a muchness when it comes to tariff offerings, you'll
be wading through different offers of minutes, texts and the like.  What
you will have a problem with is getting any of that on contract with a
decent handset without committing to a minimum term.

If you ditch the idea of upgrading your handset, as I mentioned there
are options for pay monthly, sim only, no/short minimum term contracts,
e.g. T-Mobile Solo, O2 Simplicity, etc.

> 2) Select a phone that complements the above network. Offering me a
> decent web browser, much customisability (geek factor), good calendar
> system for my awful memory, decent media playback (ogg would be a plus
> but I suppose I could always write a script to convert to MP3 when
> copying files over), anything else that people think is essential(?)
> Bluetooth compatibility with Ubuntu would be useful.

I can't offer much advice here, having always connected my trusty Nokias
(currently on handsets #10 and #11!) either to PC Suite on win32, or
straight bluetooth from Mac OS X.  I suspect the ubiquity of Nokia
handsets means you shouldn't have too much hassle pushing and pulling
content from Ubuntu, but it may depend on your requirements.  YMMV.

> I think that what complements my needs best in terms of a phone might
> be an Android one but I think they cost around £400 so wondering what
> everyone else has/knows of.

You'll be lucky to get an Android handset on a short term contract.
It'll be a miracle to get it as a PAYG bundle.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Michael G Fletcher
> Larry Wright wrote
>
> I've got a HTC Hero which is Android and the blue tooth is crippled
> needs to have to phone rooted to work any easy ways would be appreciated
> apart from
> that its the bees knees,,
> regards Larry
>

Hi Larry, is your Hero running Android 2.0?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Larry Wright
Michael G Fletcher wrote:
>> Sorry, I missed the D off. It's Darren :)
>>
>> Yeah I've got a Pioneer car stereo with Bluetooth and hands-free built
>> in. Bluetooth audio works through the stereo and calls just stop the
>> music playing to come through the hands-free and resume afterwards.
>>
>> I haven't tried using BT to transfer files. I'm sure it will work
>> though.
>>
>> Darren
>>
>> 
>
> hehe - sorry Darren :-)
>
> I'm not so sure about the file transfer.  in the same way that you
> can't send a picture or a video or a contact via bluetooth to another
> phone.  Unless I'm missing the obvious!!  [sorry, will get back on
> topic after this]
>
> from [1]
>
> "At launch, Android had fairly rudimentary support for Bluetooth, but
> that has now changed. With the latest update, it can handle more than
> just wireless headsets.
>
> Specifically, it now lets you use stereo headsets. I have a pair from
> Samsung, and they work beautifully now.
>
> The situation is less rosy for other Bluetooth accessories. For
> example, I can pair a wireless keyboard with my G1, but that's as far
> as it goes -- the phone won't take input from the external device."
>
> --Michael
>
> [1] http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=15283
>
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>   
Larry Wright wrote

I've got a HTC Hero which is Android and the blue tooth is crippled
needs to have to phone rooted to work any easy ways would be appreciated 
apart from
that its the bees knees,,
regards Larry

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Stephen Garton
2009/8/5 Michael G Fletcher :
>> Sorry, I missed the D off. It's Darren :)
>>
>> Yeah I've got a Pioneer car stereo with Bluetooth and hands-free built
>> in. Bluetooth audio works through the stereo and calls just stop the
>> music playing to come through the hands-free and resume afterwards.
>>
>> I haven't tried using BT to transfer files. I'm sure it will work
>> though.
>>
>> Darren
>>
>
> hehe - sorry Darren :-)
>
> I'm not so sure about the file transfer.  in the same way that you
> can't send a picture or a video or a contact via bluetooth to another
> phone.  Unless I'm missing the obvious!!  [sorry, will get back on
> topic after this]
>
> from [1]
>
> "At launch, Android had fairly rudimentary support for Bluetooth, but
> that has now changed. With the latest update, it can handle more than
> just wireless headsets.
>
> Specifically, it now lets you use stereo headsets. I have a pair from
> Samsung, and they work beautifully now.
>
> The situation is less rosy for other Bluetooth accessories. For
> example, I can pair a wireless keyboard with my G1, but that's as far
> as it goes -- the phone won't take input from the external device."
>
> --Michael
>
> [1] http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=15283
>
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I'm sure I've seen somewhere an Android App is available for a couple
of quid to enable file transfer over Bluetooth


This was the one I'd seen:
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.alex.BluetoothFileshare

Disclaimer:- not used it so don't know how well it works

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Michael G Fletcher
> Sorry, I missed the D off. It's Darren :)
>
> Yeah I've got a Pioneer car stereo with Bluetooth and hands-free built
> in. Bluetooth audio works through the stereo and calls just stop the
> music playing to come through the hands-free and resume afterwards.
>
> I haven't tried using BT to transfer files. I'm sure it will work
> though.
>
> Darren
>

hehe - sorry Darren :-)

I'm not so sure about the file transfer.  in the same way that you
can't send a picture or a video or a contact via bluetooth to another
phone.  Unless I'm missing the obvious!!  [sorry, will get back on
topic after this]

from [1]

"At launch, Android had fairly rudimentary support for Bluetooth, but
that has now changed. With the latest update, it can handle more than
just wireless headsets.

Specifically, it now lets you use stereo headsets. I have a pair from
Samsung, and they work beautifully now.

The situation is less rosy for other Bluetooth accessories. For
example, I can pair a wireless keyboard with my G1, but that's as far
as it goes -- the phone won't take input from the external device."

--Michael

[1] http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=15283

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Darren.Mansell
> 
> > Mike, I'm sure Bluetooth Audio isn't mono on mine. It certainly
> sounds
> > as good as CD's through my car stereo. Are you using Cupcake?
> >
> > Arren
> >
> > --
> 
> Hi Arren, I'm using cupcake. but to be honest I have only ever
> connected to my ear-piece when driving.  Glad that it is stereo then!
> are you connecting to a bluetooth car receiver for music playback?
> 
> Do you know if the bluetooth can now connect to a PC for file transfer
> or tethering?
> 

Sorry, I missed the D off. It's Darren :)

Yeah I've got a Pioneer car stereo with Bluetooth and hands-free built
in. Bluetooth audio works through the stereo and calls just stop the
music playing to come through the hands-free and resume afterwards.

I haven't tried using BT to transfer files. I'm sure it will work
though.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Michael G Fletcher
> Mike, I'm sure Bluetooth Audio isn't mono on mine. It certainly sounds
> as good as CD's through my car stereo. Are you using Cupcake?
>
> Arren
>
> --

Hi Arren, I'm using cupcake. but to be honest I have only ever
connected to my ear-piece when driving.  Glad that it is stereo then!
are you connecting to a bluetooth car receiver for music playback?

Do you know if the bluetooth can now connect to a PC for file transfer
or tethering?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Darren.Mansell
> >
> > Dave
> >
> 
> +1 for the HTC Magic from Vodafone
> 
> My thoughts on it - http://www.ilovemylinux.com/node/107
> 
> video - http://www.ilovemylinux.com/node/108
> 
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> 

Mike, I'm sure Bluetooth Audio isn't mono on mine. It certainly sounds
as good as CD's through my car stereo. Are you using Cupcake?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Steve Garton

Michael G Fletcher wrote:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Jones
  wrote:
   

Following what Darren has said, I've got an htc magic on vodafone and can't 
fault it. Syncing with gmail is simple and works brilliantly for email, 
contacts etc. I was concerned about only having a 500mb data allowance, but in 
my first month of setting up, installing applications, getting on irc, 
browsing, email etc I only used 50mb.

I also found that I was able to put an orange aim in the phone and it wasn't 
network locked.

Dave

 


+1 for the HTC Magic from Vodafone

My thoughts on it - http://www.ilovemylinux.com/node/107

video - http://www.ilovemylinux.com/node/108

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My +1 for the HTC Magic too. Literally Everyone else in my office has an 
iPhone of some description (I used to have), and the number of 
faults/problems/missing features they have compared to the Magic is unreal.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Darren.Mansell
Same here. For SSH'ing into servers with ConnectBot it's great. Little
mobile command centre J

 

From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of javadayaz
Sent: 05 August 2009 14:01
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

 

Although i wasnt a fan of the physical keyboard i had to change my
opinion when i tried the g1's at a tmob store.

 

Its a must for me now. Onscreen keyboard is all well and good..but not
really the same.

 



 

2009/8/5 doug livesey 

Ugh. I *hate* my HTC Touch Diamond2 -- tries to be an iPhone, but fails
miser- and epic- ally. 

Really wish I had a real iPhone. Or a G1.

   Doug.

 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread javadayaz
Although i wasnt a fan of the physical keyboard i had to change my opinion
when i tried the g1's at a tmob store.

Its a must for me now. Onscreen keyboard is all well and good..but not
really the same.




2009/8/5 doug livesey 

> Ugh. I *hate* my HTC Touch Diamond2 -- tries to be an iPhone, but fails
> miser- and epic- ally. Really wish I had a real iPhone. Or a G1.
>Doug.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread doug livesey
Ugh. I *hate* my HTC Touch Diamond2 -- tries to be an iPhone, but fails
miser- and epic- ally.Really wish I had a real iPhone. Or a G1.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Rob Beard
darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote:
> I have my G1 on T-Mobile but I know of other that have bought them for around 
> £190 from eBay unlocked and use them on Orange. Not sure of the data deals 
> there though.
>   
Just a thought, IIRC some providers do SIM only contracts on 30 day 
terms, not entirely sure what sort of minutes, text and data allowance 
you get with that, but might be an option if you can get hold of an 
unlocked G1.

I presume the G1 will hopefully be a bit cheaper too when the next model 
comes out.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Michael G Fletcher
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Jones
 wrote:
>
> Following what Darren has said, I've got an htc magic on vodafone and can't 
> fault it. Syncing with gmail is simple and works brilliantly for email, 
> contacts etc. I was concerned about only having a 500mb data allowance, but 
> in my first month of setting up, installing applications, getting on irc, 
> browsing, email etc I only used 50mb.
>
> I also found that I was able to put an orange aim in the phone and it wasn't 
> network locked.
>
> Dave
>

+1 for the HTC Magic from Vodafone

My thoughts on it - http://www.ilovemylinux.com/node/107

video - http://www.ilovemylinux.com/node/108

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread David Jones
Following what Darren has said, I've got an htc magic on vodafone and can't
fault it. Syncing with gmail is simple and works brilliantly for email,
contacts etc. I was concerned about only having a 500mb data allowance, but
in my first month of setting up, installing applications, getting on irc,
browsing, email etc I only used 50mb.

I also found that I was able to put an orange aim in the phone and it wasn't
network locked.

Dave

On Aug 5, 2009 12:52 PM,  wrote:

Written from my perspective as a G1 Android user..

> > Hey everyone, > > I have been using a Nokia 3220 since around late 2004.
Recently I've > been ...
T-Mobile with the G1 do unlimited data with a fair use policy. I'm a fairly
heavy user and haven't fallen foul of any fair use restrictions yet.

You will struggle to get a phone without a 12-18 month contract without
paying through the nose.

> 2) Select a phone that complements the above network.
I have my G1 on T-Mobile but I know of other that have bought them for
around £190 from eBay unlocked and use them on Orange. Not sure of the data
deals there though.

> Offering me a decent web browser,
Android browser is webkit based and works great. No gesture support by
default but if you load a community ROM (like I have) it puts gesture
support like pinch zooming back in.

> much customisability (geek factor),

G1 is ideal then, root it (easy) then put whichever community build you want
on. You then can tweak lots of things like startup, shutdown screens,
themes, amount of virtual screens, get a shell directly on the phone, SSH to
other devices, use it as a WiFi/BT router etc.

> good calendar > system for my awful memory,
The Google Calendar syncing is brilliant. Google Calender itself is great
and the phone client works very well with it.

> decent media playback (ogg would be a plus > but I suppose I could always
write a script to conve...
The built-in music player plays OGG. The video player is restricted to H.264
because of the built-in hardware decoder but it makes for very nice quality,
smooth video at a decent res.

> anything else that people think is essential(?) > Bluetooth compatibility
with Ubuntu would be us...
I've got a Brodit car kit for my G1 and it sync's hands-free Bluetooth with
the car stereo and Bluetooth audio streaming. Add CoPilot Live 9 Android for
£25 and it's the ultimate car PC. Play videos on the move, audio through the
car stereo, play audio while sat-nav directions overlay, phone calls break
through the BT audio connection seamlessly. It's an awesome bit of kit. All
your contacts are sync'd from your Gmail account so you don't have to edit
anything on the phone.

> > I think that what complements my needs best in terms of a phone might >
be an Android one but ...
As I said, others I know have bought them for <£200

> > I'm able to provide additional information as required. To anyone >
who's read through this mo...
At the risk of annoying iPhone users, to me the G1 is a more capable phone
and will give you a lot more freedom. It's great fun to use and the Qwerty
keyboard is the absolute killer. I've used the on-screen keyboard and it's
no comparison to a real keyboard.

HTH.
Darren

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread javadayaz
talking about heavy internet usage i recently got a text from tmob saying i
had used 80% of monthly usage.

I download some podcasts to the g1!

2009/8/5 

> Written from my perspective as a G1 Android user..
> >
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I have been using a Nokia 3220 since around late 2004. Recently I've
> > been doing so over the free Blyk network but as that's now shutting
> > down (in 2 and 1/2 weeks) I'm in need of a new phone network. My
> > phone's battery dies very quickly (although I just ordered a
> > replacement one to maintain some use of the phone).
> >
> > As I now need to get a new network I figured it would be great to have
> > internet access out and about. Of course this means getting a modern
> > phone as well but I've been planning on replacing my current phone for
> > a *long* time.
> >
> > Also factor in that I'm a student who's never had a contract before so
> > the idea is very daunting to me. Especially because of almost no
> > income and mostly loans. I figure that I will have to take a contract
> > to get decent rates for texts/minutes and internet.
> >
> > So next comes two epically difficult tasks:
> > 1) Find a network with decent rates on texts, minutes and a reasonable
> > "unlimited" plan (500mb is not reasonable). At the same time don't
> > lock myself into an 18-24 month contract.
>
> T-Mobile with the G1 do unlimited data with a fair use policy. I'm a fairly
> heavy user and haven't fallen foul of any fair use restrictions yet.
>
> You will struggle to get a phone without a 12-18 month contract without
> paying through the nose.
>
> > 2) Select a phone that complements the above network.
>
> I have my G1 on T-Mobile but I know of other that have bought them for
> around £190 from eBay unlocked and use them on Orange. Not sure of the data
> deals there though.
>
> > Offering me a decent web browser,
>
> Android browser is webkit based and works great. No gesture support by
> default but if you load a community ROM (like I have) it puts gesture
> support like pinch zooming back in.
>
> > much customisability (geek factor),
>
> G1 is ideal then, root it (easy) then put whichever community build you
> want on. You then can tweak lots of things like startup, shutdown screens,
> themes, amount of virtual screens, get a shell directly on the phone, SSH to
> other devices, use it as a WiFi/BT router etc.
>
> > good calendar
> > system for my awful memory,
>
> The Google Calendar syncing is brilliant. Google Calender itself is great
> and the phone client works very well with it.
>
> > decent media playback (ogg would be a plus
> > but I suppose I could always write a script to convert to MP3 when
> > copying files over),
>
> The built-in music player plays OGG. The video player is restricted to
> H.264 because of the built-in hardware decoder but it makes for very nice
> quality, smooth video at a decent res.
>
> > anything else that people think is essential(?)
> > Bluetooth compatibility with Ubuntu would be useful.
>
> I've got a Brodit car kit for my G1 and it sync's hands-free Bluetooth with
> the car stereo and Bluetooth audio streaming. Add CoPilot Live 9 Android for
> £25 and it's the ultimate car PC. Play videos on the move, audio through the
> car stereo, play audio while sat-nav directions overlay, phone calls break
> through the BT audio connection seamlessly. It's an awesome bit of kit. All
> your contacts are sync'd from your Gmail account so you don't have to edit
> anything on the phone.
>
> >
> > I think that what complements my needs best in terms of a phone might
> > be an Android one but I think they cost around £400 so wondering what
> > everyone else has/knows of.
>
> As I said, others I know have bought them for <£200
>
> >
> > I'm able to provide additional information as required. To anyone
> > who's read through this mountain of text and then taken the time to
> > reply, thank you :)
> >
> > Jai
> >
>
> At the risk of annoying iPhone users, to me the G1 is a more capable phone
> and will give you a lot more freedom. It's great fun to use and the Qwerty
> keyboard is the absolute killer. I've used the on-screen keyboard and it's
> no comparison to a real keyboard.
>
> HTH.
> Darren
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Choosing a new phone

2009-08-05 Thread Darren.Mansell
Written from my perspective as a G1 Android user..
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I have been using a Nokia 3220 since around late 2004. Recently I've
> been doing so over the free Blyk network but as that's now shutting
> down (in 2 and 1/2 weeks) I'm in need of a new phone network. My
> phone's battery dies very quickly (although I just ordered a
> replacement one to maintain some use of the phone).
> 
> As I now need to get a new network I figured it would be great to have
> internet access out and about. Of course this means getting a modern
> phone as well but I've been planning on replacing my current phone for
> a *long* time.
> 
> Also factor in that I'm a student who's never had a contract before so
> the idea is very daunting to me. Especially because of almost no
> income and mostly loans. I figure that I will have to take a contract
> to get decent rates for texts/minutes and internet.
> 
> So next comes two epically difficult tasks:
> 1) Find a network with decent rates on texts, minutes and a reasonable
> "unlimited" plan (500mb is not reasonable). At the same time don't
> lock myself into an 18-24 month contract.

T-Mobile with the G1 do unlimited data with a fair use policy. I'm a fairly 
heavy user and haven't fallen foul of any fair use restrictions yet.

You will struggle to get a phone without a 12-18 month contract without paying 
through the nose.

> 2) Select a phone that complements the above network.

I have my G1 on T-Mobile but I know of other that have bought them for around 
£190 from eBay unlocked and use them on Orange. Not sure of the data deals 
there though.

> Offering me a decent web browser, 

Android browser is webkit based and works great. No gesture support by default 
but if you load a community ROM (like I have) it puts gesture support like 
pinch zooming back in.

> much customisability (geek factor), 

G1 is ideal then, root it (easy) then put whichever community build you want 
on. You then can tweak lots of things like startup, shutdown screens, themes, 
amount of virtual screens, get a shell directly on the phone, SSH to other 
devices, use it as a WiFi/BT router etc.

> good calendar
> system for my awful memory, 

The Google Calendar syncing is brilliant. Google Calender itself is great and 
the phone client works very well with it.

> decent media playback (ogg would be a plus
> but I suppose I could always write a script to convert to MP3 when
> copying files over), 

The built-in music player plays OGG. The video player is restricted to H.264 
because of the built-in hardware decoder but it makes for very nice quality, 
smooth video at a decent res.

> anything else that people think is essential(?)
> Bluetooth compatibility with Ubuntu would be useful.

I've got a Brodit car kit for my G1 and it sync's hands-free Bluetooth with the 
car stereo and Bluetooth audio streaming. Add CoPilot Live 9 Android for £25 
and it's the ultimate car PC. Play videos on the move, audio through the car 
stereo, play audio while sat-nav directions overlay, phone calls break through 
the BT audio connection seamlessly. It's an awesome bit of kit. All your 
contacts are sync'd from your Gmail account so you don't have to edit anything 
on the phone.

> 
> I think that what complements my needs best in terms of a phone might
> be an Android one but I think they cost around £400 so wondering what
> everyone else has/knows of.

As I said, others I know have bought them for <£200

> 
> I'm able to provide additional information as required. To anyone
> who's read through this mountain of text and then taken the time to
> reply, thank you :)
> 
> Jai
> 

At the risk of annoying iPhone users, to me the G1 is a more capable phone and 
will give you a lot more freedom. It's great fun to use and the Qwerty keyboard 
is the absolute killer. I've used the on-screen keyboard and it's no comparison 
to a real keyboard.

HTH. 
Darren

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