Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
On 23/04/12 21:01, Pete Smout wrote: > For info it was not the daily build as I have tried these before with no > success. Nor did I try the live desktop as I have enough machines / hard > drives to just install and play around with it so I went straight for > the install as I have many times before. The daily build will literally change every day, so it is worth considering. The beta2 is frozen in time and is now very old indeed. I just updated a beta 2 which already had some updates 12 days ago, and over 300 updates came down. The live session from a cd will be a useful indicator of the match you have with your hardware. It is a low commitment, convenient test, and also can be a toolkit. The boot parameters can easily be edited if you really need to. The release ubuntu is a modern software aimed mostly at modern hardware. Even so, I use it on some incredibly old machines, with a little care. It runs only in 2D on my dual core PC. However, Lubuntu, and Xubutu are deliberately aimed at older machines, so techniques used will be less likely to give trouble in machines you have used for years. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/04/12 19:59, Pete Smout wrote: > With the exception of the 'Old PC' (which may be too old now , > although I doubt it, this is Linux not windoze) surely IT SHOULD > JUST WORK! If it was still Alpha I would of course report the > bug(s) but it is too late now to effect the release (I believe). > That's an incorrect assumption. We can't possibly test on every single combination of hardware people may have, which is why we rely on the community doing so. Show stopping bugs can trigger a re-spin of the ISO images we produce, so it's certainly not too late to test now. Cheers, - -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPlcG0AAoJEMx6UFtfvV4whCwH/A4DxG2Vq612KO3Lx/JLzVT/ OnWET/P8huc/BV/AGedJeI732WpySNDy/PC5AnrE9RnSMoGaq+IEx70Obru9YHW6 mnFjrrD0WqD48PJfo5eUjEL438Za14yYmr7uUa4apdHgW4zZw0YWLyu5IVcgCzzO BiUKU9mlAZhgHkcXh6gqLl7Z63/hgOpSRzm+liL/DKUrY+xLs2gwo2S8gwLDNQgY IYjqnVZGbf/lnkVpvoNXl/O7uFbnb6jPZqZU3cFuk3VGGsYpMKl6p+SxsCbsA5wz 5fqYcbR1g/KUNfcku+byLIh4kipl8Ihu1DJo0U6TPbN9+InSx7Fs/DybC4IcB4g= =m94Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
On 23/04/12 20:36, Barry Drake wrote: On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso image Does it run OK from the live-CD? It's worth trying this. You would not be asked for user name/password until it was ready to install on the host machine, and then it would only stop with some sort of message that would tell you what is wrong - not just 'error' - are you saying it hangs after you have given it a username and password to use in the new installation? I just wonder if the existing partitioning or something is getting in the way? I've been running it on my desktop since Alpha 1 and I'm delighted with it. Unity is fantastic on a desktop once you are used to it. My wife still has 10.04 on her machine and I really find it hard going when I have to use it. I've now installed 12.04 on my netbook and again am delighted with it. I will be very surprised if there isn't something simple getting in the way of your install. I really hope we can help you to sort it. Can you get into the commandline and tell anything from there while you are trying to install? Regards, Barry. Hi, Thanks for the offers of help, but I am now resigned to waiting a week or two for the 'official release' and I am sure Unity has improved since my last encounter (11.04) and although I am not writing it off as a UI (or DE) it will have to be fantastic to fully convert me. It does seem strange that Xubuntu installs first time with no errors (did have a crash report earlier, but didn't effect me, must have been a background thing) where as the Ubuntu Beta 2 with basically the same installer did not. For info it was not the daily build as I have tried these before with no success. Nor did I try the live desktop as I have enough machines / hard drives to just install and play around with it so I went straight for the install as I have many times before. I do as a matter of course check the MD5sum (as K3b displays it when loading the .iso image and it only takes 2 mins) If in a week or so when I get around to trying it again I still have issues I will pay more attention to the error message and (after googleing) I shall ask the many helpful readers of this list for help! Regards Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/04/12 19:59, Pete Smout wrote: > On 23/04/12 18:52, Dave Morley wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: >>> Hi, Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far. >>> >>> Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so >>> far! Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says >>> error! tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system >>> not the .iso image >>> >>> Xubuntu 12.04 (Beta 2) installs first time no trouble at all >>> and although I haven't tested everything yet my first >>> impressions are 'Wow why would anybody use Unity on a PC or >>> Laptop!' >>> >>> I hope this situation is not the same for first time installers >>> as if it was my first experience I would probably still be a >>> Windoze user! >>> >>> Still unsure weather or not to upgrade my main machine from >>> 10.04 as I personally cannot see the benefit of unity on a PC >>> (and two years on I have Lucid set just how I want it!) >>> >>> Reagrds >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >> >> Pete, >> >> Hi bugs like that are really important to report. There are lots >> of things it could be that cause the system to die but without >> your machines to try it out on nobody will know for sure. >> >> > > Hi, > > At this late stage of Beta testing (release only about 1 week away) > I would expect my fairly standard machines to be ok, machine specs > are > > PC - Dual core (AMD) 3gb ram Lappy - Dual core (intel) 2gb ram Old > PC - Pentium 4, 1.5gb ram > > the makes of the motherboards are unmemorable / unremarkable > > With the exception of the 'Old PC' (which may be too old now , > although I doubt it, this is Linux not windoze) surely IT SHOULD > JUST WORK! If it was still Alpha I would of course report the > bug(s) but it is too late now to effect the release (I believe). > > I will of course try when the release is official (on 29th I think) > but surely these machine specs are not so new as no-one else in the > world has them, if the machines were brand new core i7's or the > latest 'gadget' machines I may well expect a few issues, but I am > neither wealthy enough, or that bothered by the 'lack of > performance' of my aging hardware to worry about 'keeping up with > the metaphorical Jones's'. > > Regards > > Pete > > That would normally be the case however this is supported for 5 years on the desktop and there will undoubtedly be a lot of SRU's and fixes going into the release so I see no reason why it would be looked into. And maybe a fixed release in the standard update process, I hope that makes sense. - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+Vp2sACgkQT5xqyT+h3OjIPQCeIebw+EXDJ4v3xCmZCZy34Ht+ 5+4AoKsOWPDchWQPrhfoLbe1KFjfGDec =IHFN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
On 23/04/12 19:59, Pete Smout wrote: > On 23/04/12 18:52, Dave Morley wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: >>> Hi, Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far. >>> >>> Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! >>> Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! >>> tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso >>> image >>> >>> Xubuntu 12.04 (Beta 2) installs first time no trouble at all and >>> although I haven't tested everything yet my first impressions are >>> 'Wow why would anybody use Unity on a PC or Laptop!' >>> >>> I hope this situation is not the same for first time installers as >>> if it was my first experience I would probably still be a Windoze >>> user! >>> >>> Still unsure weather or not to upgrade my main machine from 10.04 >>> as I personally cannot see the benefit of unity on a PC (and two >>> years on I have Lucid set just how I want it!) >>> >>> Reagrds >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >> >> Pete, >> >> Hi bugs like that are really important to report. There are lots of >> things it could be that cause the system to die but without your >> machines to try it out on nobody will know for sure. >> >> > > Hi, > > At this late stage of Beta testing (release only about 1 week away) I > would expect my fairly standard machines to be ok, machine specs are > > PC - Dual core (AMD) 3gb ram > Lappy - Dual core (intel) 2gb ram > Old PC - Pentium 4, 1.5gb ram > > the makes of the motherboards are unmemorable / unremarkable > > With the exception of the 'Old PC' (which may be too old now , although > I doubt it, this is Linux not windoze) surely IT SHOULD JUST WORK! If it > was still Alpha I would of course report the bug(s) but it is too late > now to effect the release (I believe). Bugs: I reported a 'bug' this morning - one which affects the install from live cd and had not been seen before. It probably relates to the complexity of my machine arrangement, four hard drives and many OS's. However, the developer/s will not easily have access to such a configuration, and if possible a fix would find its way into the regime in months to come. The bug was 'confirmed' within an hour, someone else found they had this. Bugs are worth reporting, it is a continuous process. Booting: The information about your experience is so limited in this list that it is better to handle the details one to one, and my own usual method of that would be initially using Ubuntu forums, where detailed responses are commonly available. I might later file a bug if I find the problem is not mine. (!) You say you downloaded the iso more than once. Was it the daily build, or the earlier beta2? A CD will self check if you allow it. This has the advantage that the drive is also verified as part of the process. It would be worth choosing one machine and concentrating on that first. I have found that today's daily iso runs ok on several machines, but one a dell inspiron 1300 still needed a particular wifi blacklist entry to successfully boot, but I know that later, it can be updated and works well installed. It is worth persisting if you can. It gets easier. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso image Does it run OK from the live-CD? It's worth trying this. You would not be asked for user name/password until it was ready to install on the host machine, and then it would only stop with some sort of message that would tell you what is wrong - not just 'error' - are you saying it hangs after you have given it a username and password to use in the new installation? I just wonder if the existing partitioning or something is getting in the way? I've been running it on my desktop since Alpha 1 and I'm delighted with it. Unity is fantastic on a desktop once you are used to it. My wife still has 10.04 on her machine and I really find it hard going when I have to use it. I've now installed 12.04 on my netbook and again am delighted with it. I will be very surprised if there isn't something simple getting in the way of your install. I really hope we can help you to sort it. Can you get into the commandline and tell anything from there while you are trying to install? Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
On 23/04/12 18:52, Dave Morley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: Hi, Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far. Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso image Xubuntu 12.04 (Beta 2) installs first time no trouble at all and although I haven't tested everything yet my first impressions are 'Wow why would anybody use Unity on a PC or Laptop!' I hope this situation is not the same for first time installers as if it was my first experience I would probably still be a Windoze user! Still unsure weather or not to upgrade my main machine from 10.04 as I personally cannot see the benefit of unity on a PC (and two years on I have Lucid set just how I want it!) Reagrds Pete Pete, Hi bugs like that are really important to report. There are lots of things it could be that cause the system to die but without your machines to try it out on nobody will know for sure. Hi, At this late stage of Beta testing (release only about 1 week away) I would expect my fairly standard machines to be ok, machine specs are PC - Dual core (AMD) 3gb ram Lappy - Dual core (intel) 2gb ram Old PC - Pentium 4, 1.5gb ram the makes of the motherboards are unmemorable / unremarkable With the exception of the 'Old PC' (which may be too old now , although I doubt it, this is Linux not windoze) surely IT SHOULD JUST WORK! If it was still Alpha I would of course report the bug(s) but it is too late now to effect the release (I believe). I will of course try when the release is official (on 29th I think) but surely these machine specs are not so new as no-one else in the world has them, if the machines were brand new core i7's or the latest 'gadget' machines I may well expect a few issues, but I am neither wealthy enough, or that bothered by the 'lack of performance' of my aging hardware to worry about 'keeping up with the metaphorical Jones's'. Regards Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: > Hi, Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far. > > Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! > Gets as far as asking for user name / psswd and then says error! > tried 2 different downloads so I think its the system not the .iso > image > > Xubuntu 12.04 (Beta 2) installs first time no trouble at all and > although I haven't tested everything yet my first impressions are > 'Wow why would anybody use Unity on a PC or Laptop!' > > I hope this situation is not the same for first time installers as > if it was my first experience I would probably still be a Windoze > user! > > Still unsure weather or not to upgrade my main machine from 10.04 > as I personally cannot see the benefit of unity on a PC (and two > years on I have Lucid set just how I want it!) > > Reagrds > > Pete > > Pete, Hi bugs like that are really important to report. There are lots of things it could be that cause the system to die but without your machines to try it out on nobody will know for sure. - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+VlvQACgkQT5xqyT+h3OjDogCgk3s5Fb1khjc7ZegfJXjFBxPV V1UAoIzieBScLlmEdhy8tTRbd6lwZ/q1 =q1Rz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
