Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-29 Thread Chris Bagley
It is fantastic that this is a possibility but I doubt schools and the like
will be sensitized to the nature of the community, will they be informed
that they can report problems in a way they won't have experienced before?
And if not how can this message be got to them?
Obviously all hypothetical at the moment but with that wide a user base it
would be a great potential source of bug info would be a shame if they felt
that this new system didn't offer them support.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Stephen O'Neill
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mac wrote:
| Oh, dear.  Does this mean we're going to have to vote Tory???


The Tories are so 1980s.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Andrew Oakley
mac wrote:
 http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/27/tory_linux_push/

I've got quite a few contacts in the Conservative party, so I'll see
what I can dig out.

The proposals for more open standards and a more modular approach to
government IT projects seems sound to me.

I fail to see what this has got to do with Linux, though. The BSI
provide thousands of open standards, only a handful of which are
anything to do with Linux. Rather, I think the policy focus is on open
standards such as XML.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Rob Beard
On 28/01/2009 08:00, mac wrote:
 You may have spotted this Reg headline:

* Tories put toes on Linux bandwagon
  Free software's cheaper, right?

 http://go.theregister.com/news/http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/27/tory_linux_push/

 Oh, dear.  Does this mean we're going to have to vote Tory???

 Mac

Can't be much worse than voting for NuLabour.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Roger Lancefield

  Oh, dear.  Does this mean we're going to have to vote Tory???
 
  Mac
 
 Can't be much worse than voting for NuLabour.


Given their antediluvian view of Internet freedom, their conniving with Big
Content to turn our digital devices into proprietary media players, their
assumption that the state has a right to view and/or control any and all
digital data created within national borders (including video recorded
within your own bedroom), their regular attempts to seed the nation with
the idea that blogs and personal web sites should be regulated, and their
determination to reduce personal liberty in general  amen to that!

But hey, lest the discussion turn political... ;)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Roger Lancefield rlancefi...@gmail.com:


  Oh, dear.  Does this mean we're going to have to vote Tory???
 
  Mac
 
 Can't be much worse than voting for NuLabour.


 Given their antediluvian view of Internet freedom, their conniving with Big
 Content to turn our digital devices into proprietary media players, their
 assumption that the state has a right to view and/or control any and all
 digital data created within national borders (including video recorded
 within your own bedroom), their regular attempts to seed the nation with
 the idea that blogs and personal web sites should be regulated, and their
 determination to reduce personal liberty in general  amen to that!

 But hey, lest the discussion turn political... ;)

I invoke Godwins Law... [0]

M.

[0] saves having to wait for another 200 posts and a flamewar on this  
subject before someone uses the N word... :oP



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Stephen O'Neill
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Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
| [0] saves having to wait for another 200 posts and a flamewar on this
| subject before someone uses the N word... :oP


Novell?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Tony Travis
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 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
 | [0] saves having to wait for another 200 posts and a flamewar on this
 | subject before someone uses the N word... :oP
 
 
 Novell?

Hello, Stephen.

Let's not forget that Ubuntu *IS* political by nature: We should be glad
to hear that people of *ALL* political persuasions are now interested in
using Ubuntu and, I hope, that embracing the philosophy of 'humanity' to
others in their computing will also influence their view of the world.

Bye,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Stephen O'Neill
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Tony Travis wrote:
| Stephen O'Neill wrote:
| Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
| | [0] saves having to wait for another 200 posts and a flamewar on this
| | subject before someone uses the N word... :oP
|
|
| Novell?
|

[snip]

| We should be glad
| to hear that people of *ALL* political persuasions are now interested in
| using Ubuntu


Oh of course, absolutely agreed - I don't think that my being facetious
carried particularly well over email.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Roger Lancefield

 Oh of course, absolutely agreed - I don't think that my being facetious
 carried particularly well over email.


Well, if it's any consolation, your 'Novell' quip caused me to have a
coffee, meet sinuses moment :)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread David King
Any political party that is interested in the free software world, in 
particular Linux, is a candidate for using Ubuntu.

This list is about using Ubuntu, not political parties. So it is great 
to hear that a mainstream party would be willing to embrace Linux, and 
maybe Ubuntu. But there should not be any bias for or against any 
political party on this list. If the Conservatives are going to use 
Ubuntu, let us encourage them. It may also set a precedent amongst all 
the political parties to champion Linux over Windows, then whatever 
party you support will start using Linux.

As for voting for any particular party in politics, there is more than 
just what OS they use to consider. But all other things being equal, if 
one party chooses Linux, and the others want to use Windows, then the 
Linux-using party gets my vote.


David King


Stephen O'Neill wrote:
 | We should be glad
 | to hear that people of *ALL* political persuasions are now interested in
 | using Ubuntu


 Oh of course, absolutely agreed - I don't think that my being facetious
 carried particularly well over email.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Chris Rowson
 Any political party that is interested in the free software world, in
 particular Linux, is a candidate for using Ubuntu.


Despite the attention grabbing strap-line of 'Tories put toes on Linux
bandwagon' that el' Reg seem to have used; I'm not sure that the 'Tories are
necessarily advocating Linux over Windows operating systems to be fair.

I'd be willing to bet that they were talking about stuff like..

- Open Office instead of Microsoft Office
- MySQL/PostgreSQL instead of MSSQL
- Sendmail/Postfix etc instead of Exchange
- SugarCRM instead of proprietary CRM

etc, etc, etc.

Still, it's all good, and hopefully it'll help spurn on a greater usage of
Linux in the public sector. I imagine at the moment though it'll be on the
server rather than the desktop

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread Rob Beard
On 28/01/2009 14:57, Chris Rowson wrote:

 Any political party that is interested in the free software world, in
 particular Linux, is a candidate for using Ubuntu.


 Despite the attention grabbing strap-line of 'Tories put toes on Linux 
 bandwagon' that el' Reg seem to have used; I'm not sure that the 
 'Tories are necessarily advocating Linux over Windows operating 
 systems to be fair.

 I'd be willing to bet that they were talking about stuff like..

 - Open Office instead of Microsoft Office
 - MySQL/PostgreSQL instead of MSSQL
 - Sendmail/Postfix etc instead of Exchange
 - SugarCRM instead of proprietary CRM

 etc, etc, etc.

 Still, it's all good, and hopefully it'll help spurn on a greater 
 usage of Linux in the public sector. I imagine at the moment though 
 it'll be on the server rather than the desktop

 Chris
Yep as you say it's all good.  Hopefully it'll increase the market share 
of OpenOffice, Firefox etc on the desktop (not sure about Thunderbird, 
maybe they'd use some web based portal for mail/calendars etc)?

At least when end users get familar with OpenOffice, Firefox etc making 
the switch to Ubuntu/Kubuntu/insert favourite distro here it shouldn't 
be as much of a shock.  Well that's assuming they aren't the sort of 
user who doesn't like change at all (and I dare say there are a fair few 
out there).

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread mac
Andrew Oakley wrote:
 mac wrote:
 http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/27/tory_linux_push/
 
 I've got quite a few contacts in the Conservative party, so I'll see
 what I can dig out.

It'd be particularly interesting to know whether GNU/Linux in general 
and Ubuntu in particular appear in their plans, and what's said about 
them.  The Register has updated the article (above), which had said that 
the full report was available by e-mail;  it seems  the Conservatives 
are not now going to publish their report.  So if you can find out a bit 
more, that would be good.

Mac


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] So, would you vote for them? (see The Reg)

2009-01-28 Thread doug livesey
Really, it's a no-lose proposition.If they embrace OS, they gain potentially
loads of geek goodwill, and if they don't, they won't lose any ... unless to
the other side if they embrace OS.
So any sensible politician ... Oh, right.
And also, I imagine M$ lobby *very* hard against that kind of thing.

2009/1/28 mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk

 Andrew Oakley wrote:
  mac wrote:
  http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/27/tory_linux_push/
 
  I've got quite a few contacts in the Conservative party, so I'll see
  what I can dig out.

 It'd be particularly interesting to know whether GNU/Linux in general
 and Ubuntu in particular appear in their plans, and what's said about
 them.  The Register has updated the article (above), which had said that
 the full report was available by e-mail;  it seems  the Conservatives
 are not now going to publish their report.  So if you can find out a bit
 more, that would be good.

 Mac


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