Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual-Boot Issue

[Liam Proven]

On 2 January 2014 17:58, Anthony Harrington
 wrote:
> Aside from the suggestions already mentioned, there will be a few other
> tweaks you can do on either partitions. For the linux one, you might like to
> know that 5% of the filesystem is put to the side incase root needs a little
> extra space when the disk drive is marked as 'full', so you can still carry
> out functions. On a 1TB HDD we're talking a LOT of space being reserved for
> this (50GB!) and it makes sense to reduce the amount or even take it away
> completely.
>
> Quote: Reserved space is least useful on large filesystems with static
> content that are not critical to the basic functionality of the operating
> system. In such cases it is quite reasonable to reduce the reservation to
> zero. Filesystems that may be better left with the default 5% include those
> containing the directories /, /root, /var, /tmp, and (preferably) /home.
>
> For example, i've left mine at 0.1% for now.
>
> You need only find where the linux partition is by using sudo fdisk -l and
> looking for which /dev/ is marked as "Linux" (probably under "extended")
> e.g. mine looks like:
>
> /dev/sda1   HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
> /dev/sda2   Extended
> /dev/sda5   Linux
> /dev/sda6   Linux swap / Solaris
>
> then you do sudo tune2fs -m 0.1 /dev/sda5 changing that 0.1 to the
> percentage desired. Have a look in 'system monitor' before and after to
> watch the available space go up!


Actually, that reminds me. Turning off System Restore completely from
within Windows will also get you a lot of space back.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual-Boot Issue

[Anthony Harrington]

On 02/01/14 13:45, Nigel Verity wrote:
> Hi
>
> I dual boot Xubuntu with Windows 7, but use the Windows partition
> mainly as additional storage. I am generally running out of disk space
> on both Linux and Windows partitions. I do have occasional need for
> Windows, so giving that partition entirely over to Linux is not an option.
>
> Does anybody know whether I will still be able to view and access
> files stored in the Windows partition if I compress it using the MS
> utility built into Windows Explorer?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nige
>
>
Aside from the suggestions already mentioned, there will be a few other
tweaks you can do on either partitions. For the linux one, you might
like to know that 5% of the filesystem is put to the side incase root
needs a little extra space when the disk drive is marked as 'full', so
you can still carry out functions. On a 1TB HDD we're talking a LOT of
space being reserved for this (50GB!) and it makes sense to reduce the
amount or even take it away completely.

Quote: /Reserved space is least useful on large filesystems with static
content that are not critical to the basic functionality of the
operating system. In such cases it is quite reasonable to reduce the
reservation to zero. Filesystems that may be better left with the
default 5% include those containing the directories //|/|//,
//|/root|//, //|/var|//, //|/tmp|//, and (preferably) //|/home|//./

For example, i've left mine at 0.1% for now.

You need only find where the linux partition is by using *sudo fdisk -l*
and looking for which /dev/ is marked as "Linux" (probably under
"extended") e.g. mine looks like:

/dev/sda1   HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda2   Extended
/dev/sda5   Linux
/dev/sda6   Linux swap / Solaris

then you do *sudo tune2fs -m 0.1 /dev/sda5* changing that 0.1 to the
percentage desired. Have a look in 'system monitor' before and after to
watch the available space go up!

Hope this proves useful,

Anthony

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual-Boot Issue

[Stuart Ward]

Disk drives are cheep, £50 buys you a decent 1TB disk, better get 2 and set
up disk mirroring, or 4 and stripe...

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On 2 January 2014 14:11, Liam Proven  wrote:

> On 2 January 2014 13:45, Nigel Verity  wrote:
> > I dual boot Xubuntu with Windows 7, but use the Windows partition mainly
> as
> > additional storage. I am generally running out of disk space on both
> Linux
> > and Windows partitions. I do have occasional need for Windows, so giving
> > that partition entirely over to Linux is not an option.
> >
> > Does anybody know whether I will still be able to view and access files
> > stored in the Windows partition if I compress it using the MS utility
> built
> > into Windows Explorer?
>
>
> Do you mean NTFS file compression?
>
> I *think* so, but I wouldn't. It kills performance & causes a
>
> More to the point, give your W7 system a really thorough clean out.
>
> Empty:
>
> \WINDOWS\TEMP
>
> ... and ...
>
> \DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\{all usernames}\APPLICATION DATA\LOCAL
> SETTINGS\TEMP
>
> (or whatever W7 calls it - \USERS or something.)
>
> Empty all the recycle bins. Empty all the uninstaller files from
> C:\WINDOWS (& if you're really keen the log files to go with them, but
> *only* those log files! Not sure where W7 keeps uninstallers - Google
> is your friend.)
>
> Delete \PAGEFILE.SYS and \HIBERFIL.SYS - they will be recreated next
> boot anyway, possibly in less-fragmented form.
>
> That should get you many many gigs back.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual-Boot Issue

[Liam Proven]

On 2 January 2014 13:45, Nigel Verity  wrote:
> I dual boot Xubuntu with Windows 7, but use the Windows partition mainly as
> additional storage. I am generally running out of disk space on both Linux
> and Windows partitions. I do have occasional need for Windows, so giving
> that partition entirely over to Linux is not an option.
>
> Does anybody know whether I will still be able to view and access files
> stored in the Windows partition if I compress it using the MS utility built
> into Windows Explorer?


Do you mean NTFS file compression?

I *think* so, but I wouldn't. It kills performance & causes a

More to the point, give your W7 system a really thorough clean out.

Empty:

\WINDOWS\TEMP

... and ...

\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\{all usernames}\APPLICATION DATA\LOCAL SETTINGS\TEMP

(or whatever W7 calls it - \USERS or something.)

Empty all the recycle bins. Empty all the uninstaller files from
C:\WINDOWS (& if you're really keen the log files to go with them, but
*only* those log files! Not sure where W7 keeps uninstallers - Google
is your friend.)

Delete \PAGEFILE.SYS and \HIBERFIL.SYS - they will be recreated next
boot anyway, possibly in less-fragmented form.

That should get you many many gigs back.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual-Boot Issue

[Simon Greenwood]

On 2 January 2014 13:45, Nigel Verity  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I dual boot Xubuntu with Windows 7, but use the Windows partition mainly
> as additional storage. I am generally running out of disk space on both
> Linux and Windows partitions. I do have occasional need for Windows, so
> giving that partition entirely over to Linux is not an option.
>
> Does anybody know whether I will still be able to view and access files
> stored in the Windows partition if I compress it using the MS utility built
> into Windows Explorer?
>
>
The default compression in Windows is zip so you should be able to view
compressed files with unzip or Archive Manager.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[Muñiz Piniella , Andrés]

Brilliant thanks!
On Apr 4, 2013 8:17 PM, "alan c"  wrote:

> In the apps (dash) in ubuntu , something like 'Additional drivers' can be
> run, and it will identify  if it is 'aware' of any available non free
> drivers. These can then be downloaded if needed and enabled.
>
> alan cocks
>
> On 04/04/13 19:11, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote:
>
>> I am of the same opinion. Thanks. So the free ones, if needed, will be
>> installed automatically? I used to have to install the free one manually
>> in
>> the past. ¿How would I know if I am missing it?
>> On Apr 4, 2013 5:51 PM, "alan c"  wrote:
>>
>>  On 03/04/13 20:01, andres wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Apr 3, 2013 8:50 AM, "alan c-2 [via Ubuntu]" <
 ml-node+s5n5019943h24@n6.**nab**ble.com **>
 wrote:


> On 03/04/13 07:01, andres wrote:
> > My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install
> ubuntu
>
>  side

  > by side as it used to?
>
> Confirm that there are only 3 partitions (or less) existing - you need
> two new partitions for Ubuntu (system and swap). You would maybe
> expect to create an extended partition as a fourth primary partition,
> and add the two ubuntu partitions inside that as logical partitions,
> of suitable size. If ther aer already 4 primary partitions you cannot
> add more partitions (for Ubuntu for example).
> A few occasions I found  when the installer did not proceed  included
> when  there were errors in the windows file system which were
> previously not noticed. From windows, I did a chkdsk.
>
> As a routine:
> - a good backup first, and one you can be confident in (you may have
> to use it!!)
> - With ubuntu live session confirm that the various aspects work in
> the hardware - display, audio, camera, wireless, etc
> - with Ubuntu live session, check the hard drive is ok use 'disk
> utility', there should be no errors at all
>
> good luck
>
>
 Thanks Alan!
 The number partitions limit is problably what is getting in the way. But
 will check the rest.

 We did a bit of a check on the live cd for hardware. If the graphics
 card
 needs an 3rd party software, I have seen in the past that it offers it
 in
 the notification area. Is this only for nvidia?


>>> I have occasionally found that the libre graphics drivers work better
>>> than
>>> the proprietary ones offered, but not always. I personally much prefer
>>> non
>>> proprietary drivers so my machines continue to use them if they are ok.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[alan c]

In the apps (dash) in ubuntu , something like 'Additional drivers' can 
be run, and it will identify  if it is 'aware' of any available non 
free drivers. These can then be downloaded if needed and enabled.


alan cocks

On 04/04/13 19:11, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote:

I am of the same opinion. Thanks. So the free ones, if needed, will be
installed automatically? I used to have to install the free one manually in
the past. ¿How would I know if I am missing it?
On Apr 4, 2013 5:51 PM, "alan c"  wrote:


On 03/04/13 20:01, andres wrote:


On Apr 3, 2013 8:50 AM, "alan c-2 [via Ubuntu]" <
ml-node+s5n5019943h24@n6.**nabble.com>
wrote:



On 03/04/13 07:01, andres wrote:
> My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install ubuntu


side


> by side as it used to?

Confirm that there are only 3 partitions (or less) existing - you need
two new partitions for Ubuntu (system and swap). You would maybe
expect to create an extended partition as a fourth primary partition,
and add the two ubuntu partitions inside that as logical partitions,
of suitable size. If ther aer already 4 primary partitions you cannot
add more partitions (for Ubuntu for example).
A few occasions I found  when the installer did not proceed  included
when  there were errors in the windows file system which were
previously not noticed. From windows, I did a chkdsk.

As a routine:
- a good backup first, and one you can be confident in (you may have
to use it!!)
- With ubuntu live session confirm that the various aspects work in
the hardware - display, audio, camera, wireless, etc
- with Ubuntu live session, check the hard drive is ok use 'disk
utility', there should be no errors at all

good luck



Thanks Alan!
The number partitions limit is problably what is getting in the way. But
will check the rest.

We did a bit of a check on the live cd for hardware. If the graphics card
needs an 3rd party software, I have seen in the past that it offers it in
the notification area. Is this only for nvidia?



I have occasionally found that the libre graphics drivers work better than
the proprietary ones offered, but not always. I personally much prefer non
proprietary drivers so my machines continue to use them if they are ok.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[Muñiz Piniella , Andrés]

I am of the same opinion. Thanks. So the free ones, if needed, will be
installed automatically? I used to have to install the free one manually in
the past. ¿How would I know if I am missing it?
On Apr 4, 2013 5:51 PM, "alan c"  wrote:

> On 03/04/13 20:01, andres wrote:
>
>> On Apr 3, 2013 8:50 AM, "alan c-2 [via Ubuntu]" <
>> ml-node+s5n5019943h24@n6.**nabble.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 03/04/13 07:01, andres wrote:
>>> > My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install ubuntu
>>>
>> side
>>
>>> > by side as it used to?
>>>
>>> Confirm that there are only 3 partitions (or less) existing - you need
>>> two new partitions for Ubuntu (system and swap). You would maybe
>>> expect to create an extended partition as a fourth primary partition,
>>> and add the two ubuntu partitions inside that as logical partitions,
>>> of suitable size. If ther aer already 4 primary partitions you cannot
>>> add more partitions (for Ubuntu for example).
>>> A few occasions I found  when the installer did not proceed  included
>>> when  there were errors in the windows file system which were
>>> previously not noticed. From windows, I did a chkdsk.
>>>
>>> As a routine:
>>> - a good backup first, and one you can be confident in (you may have
>>> to use it!!)
>>> - With ubuntu live session confirm that the various aspects work in
>>> the hardware - display, audio, camera, wireless, etc
>>> - with Ubuntu live session, check the hard drive is ok use 'disk
>>> utility', there should be no errors at all
>>>
>>> good luck
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Alan!
>> The number partitions limit is problably what is getting in the way. But
>> will check the rest.
>>
>> We did a bit of a check on the live cd for hardware. If the graphics card
>> needs an 3rd party software, I have seen in the past that it offers it in
>> the notification area. Is this only for nvidia?
>>
>
> I have occasionally found that the libre graphics drivers work better than
> the proprietary ones offered, but not always. I personally much prefer non
> proprietary drivers so my machines continue to use them if they are ok.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[alan c]

On 03/04/13 20:01, andres wrote:

On Apr 3, 2013 8:50 AM, "alan c-2 [via Ubuntu]" <
ml-node+s5n5019943...@n6.nabble.com> wrote:


On 03/04/13 07:01, andres wrote:
> My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install ubuntu

side

> by side as it used to?

Confirm that there are only 3 partitions (or less) existing - you need
two new partitions for Ubuntu (system and swap). You would maybe
expect to create an extended partition as a fourth primary partition,
and add the two ubuntu partitions inside that as logical partitions,
of suitable size. If ther aer already 4 primary partitions you cannot
add more partitions (for Ubuntu for example).
A few occasions I found  when the installer did not proceed  included
when  there were errors in the windows file system which were
previously not noticed. From windows, I did a chkdsk.

As a routine:
- a good backup first, and one you can be confident in (you may have
to use it!!)
- With ubuntu live session confirm that the various aspects work in
the hardware - display, audio, camera, wireless, etc
- with Ubuntu live session, check the hard drive is ok use 'disk
utility', there should be no errors at all

good luck


Thanks Alan!
The number partitions limit is problably what is getting in the way. But
will check the rest.

We did a bit of a check on the live cd for hardware. If the graphics card
needs an 3rd party software, I have seen in the past that it offers it in
the notification area. Is this only for nvidia?


I have occasionally found that the libre graphics drivers work better 
than the proprietary ones offered, but not always. I personally much 
prefer non proprietary drivers so my machines continue to use them if 
they are ok.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[Muñiz Piniella , Andrés]

On Apr 3, 2013 8:50 AM, "alan c-2 [via Ubuntu]" <
ml-node+s5n5019943...@n6.nabble.com> wrote:
>
> On 03/04/13 07:01, andres wrote:
> > My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install ubuntu
side
> > by side as it used to?
>
> Confirm that there are only 3 partitions (or less) existing - you need
> two new partitions for Ubuntu (system and swap). You would maybe
> expect to create an extended partition as a fourth primary partition,
> and add the two ubuntu partitions inside that as logical partitions,
> of suitable size. If ther aer already 4 primary partitions you cannot
> add more partitions (for Ubuntu for example).
> A few occasions I found  when the installer did not proceed  included
> when  there were errors in the windows file system which were
> previously not noticed. From windows, I did a chkdsk.
>
> As a routine:
> - a good backup first, and one you can be confident in (you may have
> to use it!!)
> - With ubuntu live session confirm that the various aspects work in
> the hardware - display, audio, camera, wireless, etc
> - with Ubuntu live session, check the hard drive is ok use 'disk
> utility', there should be no errors at all
>
> good luck

Thanks Alan!
The number partitions limit is problably what is getting in the way. But
will check the rest.

We did a bit of a check on the live cd for hardware. If the graphics card
needs an 3rd party software, I have seen in the past that it offers it in
the notification area. Is this only for nvidia?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[alan c]

On 03/04/13 07:01, andres wrote:

My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install ubuntu side
by side as it used to?


Confirm that there are only 3 partitions (or less) existing - you need 
two new partitions for Ubuntu (system and swap). You would maybe 
expect to create an extended partition as a fourth primary partition, 
and add the two ubuntu partitions inside that as logical partitions, 
of suitable size. If ther aer already 4 primary partitions you cannot 
add more partitions (for Ubuntu for example).
A few occasions I found  when the installer did not proceed  included 
when  there were errors in the windows file system which were 
previously not noticed. From windows, I did a chkdsk.


As a routine:
- a good backup first, and one you can be confident in (you may have 
to use it!!)
- With ubuntu live session confirm that the various aspects work in 
the hardware - display, audio, camera, wireless, etc
- with Ubuntu live session, check the hard drive is ok use 'disk 
utility', there should be no errors at all


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot 12.10 64bit

[andres]

Hi did this message get to people on the mailing list?


In Reply To
Dual boot 12.10 64bit
Mar 26, 2013; 10:02pm — by Andres Muniz Andres Muniz
Hello all,
I just tried to help a friend install ubuntu12.04 64bit on an hp laptop. The
laptop has windows7 64 bit it seems to have a 1meg partition, a 200meg
partition, the recovery stuff that windows seems to do nowadays and the
actual windows partition. This last partition was reduced to 100+gb leaving
400+gb of fat32 that he planned using as an exchange drive between windows
and ubuntu.

We inserted an ubuntu disc 64bit and it did not offer to install ubuntu side
by side. We deliberated about resizing the fat32 partition with the
installer but decided against it. Documentation and/or askUbuntu seems to
sugest it is better to partition using windows tools so it does not get
confused. We went back to windows and re sized 100+gb drive and left 20gb of
unallocated space. For some reason the resizing tool on windows did not work
on the fat32.
Went back to the ubuntu disk and it still did not offer side by side option
so we went for manual. But the 20gb of in allocated space was not there. At
this point our 2hr of allocated time was up. But we are at a bit of a dead
end.

As a bit of history he was running wubi. We uninstalled it from windows but
there still is a left over ubuntu option that does not work. But that is not
a problem now.

My question is: how do i get the installer to ask us to install ubuntu side
by side as it used to?

As a bonus, when he gets ubuntu installed, how does he get rid if the wubi
chooser left over?

Thanks!



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot Windows 8 directions.......

[Ivan Wright]

The Ubuntu installer is able to take care of partitioning with Windows 8.
Heres a video I did on it a few months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LokDqte3sA4

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot Windows 8 directions.......

[scoundrel50a]

On 24/08/2012 20:14, Avi Greenbury wrote:

scoundrel50a wrote:


http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/slideshow-create-a-dual-boot-machine-for-windows-8/6380349?tag=nl.e064

This appears to be instructions on dual booting two windowses. Is
dual-booting Windows with a non-Windows notably different in Windows 8
to how it was before?



Well there was a discussion a while back about windows 8 not being able 
to partition any more.and I saw this today...and thought I would post it


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot Windows 8 directions.......

[Avi Greenbury]

scoundrel50a wrote:

> http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/slideshow-create-a-dual-boot-machine-for-windows-8/6380349?tag=nl.e064
>  

This appears to be instructions on dual booting two windowses. Is
dual-booting Windows with a non-Windows notably different in Windows 8
to how it was before?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Liam Proven]

On 14 May 2012 20:41, Norman Silverstone  wrote:
> Many thanks to those who went to the trouble to help and guide me. I am
> now a little older and a lot wiser. Without doubt, the easiest way to do
> what I wanted is to open the box, disconnect the second drive, install
> the OSs, test, reconnect the second drive and close the box.

Not really, no!

Leave disk 2 attached.

Boot off a LiveCD to the desktop.

Repartition as I described using GParted.

THEN run the install program and pick "do something else", i.e. the
custom partitioning option, and choose the 3 partitions you just
created. Then just continue as normal.

No cable-fiddling needed.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

Many thanks to those who went to the trouble to help and guide me. I am
now a little older and a lot wiser. Without doubt, the easiest way to do
what I wanted is to open the box, disconnect the second drive, install
the OSs, test, reconnect the second drive and close the box.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Liam Proven]

On 14 May 2012 18:13, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 14/05/12 13:41, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> That is true and correct, AFAICS, but to be honest, it would probably be
>> easier just to reinstall. Norman: at a minimum, you need 2 partitions. I
>> suggest you shrink the Windows partition by about half and use the rest of
>> the space for an Extended partition. In there, you put the Linux logical
>> drives.
>
>
> Liam, go back to the beginning of this problem.  The Ubuntu installer
> insists (probably quite reasonably) on wanting to have Windows on one drive,
> and Ubuntu on the other.  Norman wants both OS's dual booting on /dev/sda
>  There are only two ways to achieve this.  One is to disconnect /dev/sdb
> temporarily while installing Ubuntu, and the other is to partition manually.
>  This is what Norman has been attempting; it's just that he installed grub
> to the partition instead of installing it onto /dev/sda
>
> What you suggest above is actually what Norman has done already.

I know. I was trying to fill in a little more detail about what to do,
how to do it, and when.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Andres Muniz]

> space on your windows drive. If it is vista or win7 then I would 
> consider first asking windows to shrink ITSELF, you may get fewer 
> subsequent problems in windows then.
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 14/05/12 13:41, Liam Proven wrote:
That is true and correct, AFAICS, but to be honest, it would probably 
be easier just to reinstall. Norman: at a minimum, you need 2 
partitions. I suggest you shrink the Windows partition by about half 
and use the rest of the space for an Extended partition. In there, you 
put the Linux logical drives.


Liam, go back to the beginning of this problem.  The Ubuntu installer 
insists (probably quite reasonably) on wanting to have Windows on one 
drive, and Ubuntu on the other.  Norman wants both OS's dual booting on 
/dev/sda  There are only two ways to achieve this.  One is to disconnect 
/dev/sdb temporarily while installing Ubuntu, and the other is to 
partition manually.  This is what Norman has been attempting; it's just 
that he installed grub to the partition instead of installing it onto 
/dev/sda


What you suggest above is actually what Norman has done already.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Liam Proven]

On 13 May 2012 21:20, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 13/05/12 21:03, Bill Baker wrote:
>>
>> Norman, please wait for further advice before trying my suggestion; but if
>> this was my machine I would now boot directly to Ubuntu from the live CD &
>> from there I would try "grub-install /dev/sda" [or sdx where x is the boot
>> drive] from a terminal. However, *please* do wait for my idea to confirmed
>> as good or rubbish before doing anything [it may not work with your set-up].
>> It is not my machine - it is yours & as such, deserves a 2nd opinion ;)
>
> Maybe that on its own might work; the full sequence might be necessary.  It
> depends so much on where grub is - and it must be on the drive that Noman is
> booting from.  And this drive must be mounted first at a known mountpoint.
>
> Re-install grub from live-CD
> sudo -i
> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt #assuming that Ubuntu is on sda2 - check with gparted
> #mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/boot  #skip this one if not have a separate /boot
> partition
> grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sda
>
> Then update-grub to complete.
>
> The first step is usually need to access the drive.  If it is mounted
> already and you know where it is mounted, you can use this as an
> alternative.
>
> Any third opinion?

That is true and correct, AFAICS, but to be honest, it would probably
be easier just to reinstall.

Norman: at a minimum, you need 2 partitions. I suggest you shrink the
Windows partition by about half and use the rest of the space for an
Extended partition.

In there, you put the Linux logical drives.

As a minimum:

/  - also known as the root partion.
swap - which Linux uses for virtual memory. Make this twice as much as
the physical RAM in your computer and put it on the end of the drive.


Better still is to have root, home and swap, in which case you give
say 16GB to root, 2x RAM to swap and all the rest to /home. This makes
it much easier to back up, dual-boot multiple distros, wipe and
reinstall distros and so on.

When it asks where to install GRUB, tell it to use the main hard disk,
not a partition.

Before you launch the installer, boot to the desktop - pick "Try
Ubuntu" - and then run GParted.

So let's say you had 2 drives. They'd be:
/dev/sda
/dev/sdb

Assume we're leaving sdb alone. It probably contains a Windows
partition, sdb1. Ignore this for now.

On sda1, shrink the Windows partition to half its size.

In the remaining space, create sda2 as an Extended partition.

In there, create sda5 for root, say 16GB, using ext4, then sda6 for
/home, all the remaining space less twice your physical RAM, also
ext4, and then at the end, sda7 for swap.

Now, save your changes and quit Gparted.

Then run the installer. When it asks what to do, pick "something
different" and do a custom install. Choose sda5 as the partition for /
followed by sda6 as the partition for /home and sda7 as the partition
for swap. If you formatted them in Gparted, you don't need to format
them again now, so untick the "format" box.

It should suggest installing Grub to /dev/sda - in other words, the
whole drive. This is what you want. Leave it alone. If it does not,
for some reason, pick /dev/sda as the destination for the GRUB
bootloader. This will enable you to choose between Linux and Windows
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Neil Greenwood]

Hi Norman,

I think the only mistake you made (for future reference out to help others)
was to install grub to the partition rather than the whole of the boot
drive.

To recover now, you boot the live CD and reinstall grub, as others have
suggested. The complete list of instructions is on the grub (or grub2) page
of the Ubuntu wiki, something like http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub.

Hope this helps. I followed the instructions about a week ago, and they
were easy to understand.

Neil.

P.S. Sorry for the brevity, this is typed on my phone.
On May 13, 2012 8:45 PM, "Norman Silverstone"  wrote:

> Barry, using gparted, the HDD containing Windows XP Pro was partitioned
> as you described and all seemed well. The installation process was
> started and do something else selected. The partition allocated ext4 was
> chosen and then I was warned that I needed to indicate a boot partition
> so I chose this partition. The installation completed but, on reboot, it
> went straight into Windows. I have confirmed that the two OSs are on the
> same drive so I assume I need to do something about Grub. Still,
> progress is being made.
>
> Norman
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 13/05/12 21:03, Bill Baker wrote:
Norman, please wait for further advice before trying my suggestion; 
but if this was my machine I would now boot directly to Ubuntu from 
the live CD & from there I would try "grub-install /dev/sda" [or sdx 
where x is the boot drive] from a terminal. However, *please* do wait 
for my idea to confirmed as good or rubbish before doing anything [it 
may not work with your set-up]. It is not my machine - it is yours & 
as such, deserves a 2nd opinion ;) 


Maybe that on its own might work; the full sequence might be necessary.  
It depends so much on where grub is - and it must be on the drive that 
Noman is booting from.  And this drive must be mounted first at a known 
mountpoint.


Re-install grub from live-CD
sudo -i
mount /dev/sda2 /mnt #assuming that Ubuntu is on sda2 - check with gparted
#mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/boot  #skip this one if not have a separate /boot 
partition

grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sda

Then update-grub to complete.

The first step is usually need to access the drive.  If it is mounted 
already and you know where it is mounted, you can use this as an 
alternative.


Any third opinion?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Bill Baker]

On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 20:45 +0100, Norman Silverstone wrote:
> Barry, using gparted, the HDD containing Windows XP Pro was partitioned
> as you described and all seemed well. The installation process was
> started and do something else selected. The partition allocated ext4 was
> chosen and then I was warned that I needed to indicate a boot partition
> so I chose this partition. The installation completed but, on reboot, it
> went straight into Windows. I have confirmed that the two OSs are on the
> same drive so I assume I need to do something about Grub. Still,
> progress is being made.
> 
> Norman
> 
> 

Norman,
please wait for further advice before trying my suggestion; but if this
was my machine I would now boot directly to Ubuntu from the live CD &
from there I would try "grub-install /dev/sda" [or sdx where x is the
boot drive] from a terminal.  However, *please* do wait for my idea to
confirmed as good or rubbish before doing anything [it may not work with
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

Barry, using gparted, the HDD containing Windows XP Pro was partitioned
as you described and all seemed well. The installation process was
started and do something else selected. The partition allocated ext4 was
chosen and then I was warned that I needed to indicate a boot partition
so I chose this partition. The installation completed but, on reboot, it
went straight into Windows. I have confirmed that the two OSs are on the
same drive so I assume I need to do something about Grub. Still,
progress is being made.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

> > I can understand and follow all that you say and, viewed 
> > theoretically, it is very good. Where I am at a complete loss is how 
> > to practically modify the partition containing Windows. I suppose I 
> > should read up on gparted before going any further. Norman 
> 
> gparted is easy!  Fire it up and browse to the NTFS partition you want 
> to resize, and select it.  Click on the 'partition' menu and there is an 
> option to 'resize/move'.  The rest is easy, and I can honestly say it 
> hasn't let me down once   but then I've never had a power failure or 
> a computer hardware problem during the re-sizing - which takes quite a 
> while!  Occasionally, my wife manages to trip one or more mcb's when she 
> is getting stuff out of the pantry   there's no way around that.

Right, that seems straight forward. I'll have some tea and then have a
go. I have no data to loose so if things mess up it wont matter.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 13/05/12 16:47, Norman Silverstone wrote:
I can understand and follow all that you say and, viewed 
theoretically, it is very good. Where I am at a complete loss is how 
to practically modify the partition containing Windows. I suppose I 
should read up on gparted before going any further. Norman 


gparted is easy!  Fire it up and browse to the NTFS partition you want 
to resize, and select it.  Click on the 'partition' menu and there is an 
option to 'resize/move'.  The rest is easy, and I can honestly say it 
hasn't let me down once   but then I've never had a power failure or 
a computer hardware problem during the re-sizing - which takes quite a 
while!  Occasionally, my wife manages to trip one or more mcb's when she 
is getting stuff out of the pantry   there's no way around that.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

> > That's OK Barry, not to worry, time is on my side. I forget to mention 
> > that although I have used Ubuntu since Warty the emphasis is on used 
> > and not fiddled with. Instructions I can usually follow but age is not 
> > on my side (84 years young) Norman
> 
> Right.  I'm a kid of only 70, so very able minded (I think not).  OK.  



> In the install dialogues, choose the 'Something else' option, and tell 
> Ubuntu to install to the newly created ext4 partition.  Make sure you 
> tell it to put the bootloader on the drive you are currently booting 
> from.  This is one place you need to be careful as this is where grub 
> will be installed and updated.  If you put it on the wrong drive, you 
> will need to boot into that drive!  So far so good.  You may get a 
> warning about installing to a partition and not a drive   but if you 
> have got it right, it should be workable.  The hold your breath and see 
> if you can boot after the installation has completed.
> 
> Please don't shout at me if anything messes up.  This is not an easy 
> process, but I have done it two or three times before I started using a 
> dedicated drive for Windows and one for Ubuntu (with an extra one for 
> Ubuntu testing).  The latter arrangement is far far easier for me to 
> maintain.

I can understand and follow all that you say and, viewed theoretically,
it is very good. Where I am at a complete loss is how to practically
modify the partition containing  Windows. I suppose I should read up on
gparted before going any further.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Liam Proven]

On 12 May 2012 17:38, Norman Silverstone  wrote:
> I have a new PC with two HDDs and I am trying to install Windows and
> Ubuntu on one of the drives keeping the other for data and so on. In the
> past I have dual booted many machines without any difficulty but this is
> the first time I have tried with a machine with 2 drives and there are
> problems. Installing XP Pro puts the OS on the main drive as expected
> but Ubuntu wants to install on the second drive and not along side
> windows. This shows in the installation process when the point is
> reached where a decision has to be made on the installation when install
> along side is selected. The next step then involves setting the
> partition and it is here that the installer thinks that windows is on
> the second drive and not on the first drive.
>
> If this is ignored and the installation allowed to proceed then I end up
> with XP Pro on one drive and Ubuntu on the other and this is what I do
> not want. I suppose the problem could be solved by opening up the
> machine and disconnecting the second drive before trying to install
> Ubuntu but this seems rather like taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut
> as well as possibly negating the guarantee.
>
> I have researched but have failed to find a solution and I would be so
> pleased if someone could solve the problem. Thank you in advance.

I tried to write a helpful guide to this a while ago. It's here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/23/reg_linux_guide_2/print.html

Don't know if it will assist, though...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 13/05/12 08:49, Norman Silverstone wrote:
That's OK Barry, not to worry, time is on my side. I forget to mention 
that although I have used Ubuntu since Warty the emphasis is on used 
and not fiddled with. Instructions I can usually follow but age is not 
on my side (84 years young)


Just a thought.  My bios setting have a means of disabling a hard 
drive.  If the installer can't see your data drive, it will offer an 
automatic install on the same drive as Windows.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 13/05/12 08:49, Norman Silverstone wrote:
That's OK Barry, not to worry, time is on my side. I forget to mention 
that although I have used Ubuntu since Warty the emphasis is on used 
and not fiddled with. Instructions I can usually follow but age is not 
on my side (84 years young) Norman


Right.  I'm a kid of only 70, so very able minded (I think not).  OK.  
The process is dangerous as you are firstly going to be re-sizing your 
Windows partition, secondly installing to a partition rather than an 
entire drive, and thirdly you need to be watching where the boot-loader 
goes.  All this, and it is not too difficult to trash anything you have 
on any of the hard drives.


Make sure you know what your drives are and what they are called.  eg 
/dev/sda /dev/sdb etc.  The partitions are numbered like the drives with 
the partition number at the end.  If have three drives - /dev/sda whch 
is a 165 GiB drive with Precise using the entire drive with an ext4 
partition and a Linux swap partition.


My /dev/sdb drive is entirely given to Window 7 and is an 80 GiB drive 
formatted NTFS.  The third drive - /dev/sdc is patiently waiting for the 
next Alpha release.


Now, say I want to use half the Windows 80Gib for an Ubuntu 
installation.  I would either re-size the Windows partition from within 
Windows. (I don't know how to do that).  Or re-size using gparted, or 
let resizing take place from within the installer - which uses gparted.  
If you wanted the Windows partition (on my 80GiB drive) to reduce to 
only 40GiB, gparted can do that.  You then have the empty space for a 
new install.  Allocate a swap partition about the same size as your 
ram.  Allocate the remainder or the unallocated space to ext4 and 
remember what it is called - possibly /dev/sdb2 or /dev/sda2?


In the install dialogues, choose the 'Something else' option, and tell 
Ubuntu to install to the newly created ext4 partition.  Make sure you 
tell it to put the bootloader on the drive you are currently booting 
from.  This is one place you need to be careful as this is where grub 
will be installed and updated.  If you put it on the wrong drive, you 
will need to boot into that drive!  So far so good.  You may get a 
warning about installing to a partition and not a drive   but if you 
have got it right, it should be workable.  The hold your breath and see 
if you can boot after the installation has completed.


Please don't shout at me if anything messes up.  This is not an easy 
process, but I have done it two or three times before I started using a 
dedicated drive for Windows and one for Ubuntu (with an extra one for 
Ubuntu testing).  The latter arrangement is far far easier for me to 
maintain.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

> > Barry, I would be most grateful if you could point me in the right 
> > direction. I know that one of the options is to do something else. I 
> > have looked at that where the drives are listed but I am uncertain 
> > what to do thereafter. 
> 
> Got a lot to do tonight - it will be tomorrow afternoon before I can 
> boot from a DVD and talk you through it, so if one of the others can 
> help before then I'll be grateful.

That's OK Barry, not to worry, time is on my side. I forget to mention
that although I have used Ubuntu since Warty the emphasis is on used and
not fiddled with. Instructions I can usually follow but age is not on my
side (84 years young)

Norman 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[alan c]

On 12/05/12 21:04, Norman Silverstone wrote:




 Andy, all I know is that if there is one drive and the
 installer is
 instructed to install along side Windows, then the installer
 partitions
 the drive accordingly and gets on with the installation. So,
 are you
 suggesting that, because there are two drives one of which is
 empty, the
 installer decides to install on the empty one rather than
 partition and
 install on the one with Windows? I have heard of Artificial
 intelligence
 but surely this is not correct.





 When the partitioner first comes up it asks if you want to accept any
 defaults. I doubt if a default is what you want to do so you should
 choose "Do something Else"  On the next screen you should see two
 drives listed, one clearly marked as having Windows on it.

 Can you get as far as that before going any further?


Yes, no problem.


The 'Something Else' option is a manual one (so called advanced in the 
past). Using that CD with that option will expect you to first have 
created a suitable partition structure *before* proceeding further. 
Or, for example, in the partitions list, you will only see the Windows 
partition,  drive. It may be perfectly possible to resize stuff, 
create partitions, format etc  whilst inside the 'something else' 
option, however, my own strong preference would be to do all this in 
two stages. Use a live CD session to create partitions in the  free 
space on your windows drive. If it is vista or win7 then I would 
consider first asking windows to shrink ITSELF, you may get fewer 
subsequent problems in windows then.


Then
Create a large (for  /  ) partition (ext4) for ubuntu system and a 
smaller swap partition.
Then use the 'something else' option and 'change' the target ubuntu 
system partition to be used in the install as ext4, to be formatted, 
and to be mounted as   /


I think that should do it ok.

If your second (data) drive is formatted before install of ubuntu then 
I guess it will get picked up as a data drive when ubuntu installs 
into the targetted  place.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 12/05/12 18:39, Norman Silverstone wrote:
Barry, I would be most grateful if you could point me in the right 
direction. I know that one of the options is to do something else. I 
have looked at that where the drives are listed but I am uncertain 
what to do thereafter. Norman 


Got a lot to do tonight - it will be tomorrow afternoon before I can 
boot from a DVD and talk you through it, so if one of the others can 
help before then I'll be grateful.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

> 
> Andy, all I know is that if there is one drive and the
> installer is
> instructed to install along side Windows, then the installer
> partitions
> the drive accordingly and gets on with the installation. So,
> are you
> suggesting that, because there are two drives one of which is
> empty, the
> installer decides to install on the empty one rather than
> partition and
> install on the one with Windows? I have heard of Artificial
> intelligence
> but surely this is not correct.
> 

> 
> When the partitioner first comes up it asks if you want to accept any
> defaults. I doubt if a default is what you want to do so you should
> choose "Do something Else"  On the next screen you should see two
> drives listed, one clearly marked as having Windows on it.
> 
> Can you get as far as that before going any further?

Yes, no problem.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Andy Braben]

On 12 May 2012 19:42, Norman Silverstone  wrote:

> On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 18:47 +0100, Andy Braben wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12 May 2012 18:39, Norman Silverstone 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > I have a new PC with two HDDs and I am trying to install
> > Windows and
> > > > Ubuntu on one of the drives keeping the other for data and
> > so on. In the
> > > > past I have dual booted many machines without any
> > difficulty but this is
> > > > the first time I have tried with a machine with 2 drives
> > and there are
> > > > problems. Installing XP Pro puts the OS on the main drive
> > as expected
> > > > but Ubuntu wants to install on the second drive and not
> > along side
> > > > windows.
> > >
> > > I have three HD's on mine and I have no problem telling
> > Ubuntu exactly
> > > where I want it.  There is an option in the installer to
> > select
> > > whichever drive you want it on.  I can't remember details
> > without
> > > booting into a DVD but if you can't find it, I'll do that
> > for you.
> >
> >
> > Barry, I would be most grateful if you could point me in the
> > right
> > direction. I know that one of the options is to do something
> > else. I
> > have looked at that where the drives are listed but I am
> > uncertain what
> > to do thereafter.
>
> >
> > You need to "Do soemthing else". From there it should tell you what
> > you have on each drive, so should clearly show where Windows is. If
> > you only have one partition on that drive and Windows is taking up the
> > whole drive, you can select to partition the drive, which I think uses
> > GParted to do it.
> >
>
> Andy, all I know is that if there is one drive and the installer is
> instructed to install along side Windows, then the installer partitions
> the drive accordingly and gets on with the installation. So, are you
> suggesting that, because there are two drives one of which is empty, the
> installer decides to install on the empty one rather than partition and
> install on the one with Windows? I have heard of Artificial intelligence
> but surely this is not correct.
>
> Norman
>
>
When the partitioner first comes up it asks if you want to accept any
defaults. I doubt if a default is what you want to do so you should choose
"Do something Else"  On the next screen you should see two drives listed,
one clearly marked as having Windows on it.

Can you get as far as that before going any further?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 18:47 +0100, Andy Braben wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12 May 2012 18:39, Norman Silverstone 
> wrote:
> 
> > > I have a new PC with two HDDs and I am trying to install
> Windows and
> > > Ubuntu on one of the drives keeping the other for data and
> so on. In the
> > > past I have dual booted many machines without any
> difficulty but this is
> > > the first time I have tried with a machine with 2 drives
> and there are
> > > problems. Installing XP Pro puts the OS on the main drive
> as expected
> > > but Ubuntu wants to install on the second drive and not
> along side
> > > windows.
> >
> > I have three HD's on mine and I have no problem telling
> Ubuntu exactly
> > where I want it.  There is an option in the installer to
> select
> > whichever drive you want it on.  I can't remember details
> without
> > booting into a DVD but if you can't find it, I'll do that
> for you.
> 
> 
> Barry, I would be most grateful if you could point me in the
> right
> direction. I know that one of the options is to do something
> else. I
> have looked at that where the drives are listed but I am
> uncertain what
> to do thereafter.

> 
> You need to "Do soemthing else". From there it should tell you what
> you have on each drive, so should clearly show where Windows is. If
> you only have one partition on that drive and Windows is taking up the
> whole drive, you can select to partition the drive, which I think uses
> GParted to do it.
> 

Andy, all I know is that if there is one drive and the installer is
instructed to install along side Windows, then the installer partitions
the drive accordingly and gets on with the installation. So, are you
suggesting that, because there are two drives one of which is empty, the
installer decides to install on the empty one rather than partition and
install on the one with Windows? I have heard of Artificial intelligence
but surely this is not correct.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Andy Braben]

On 12 May 2012 18:39, Norman Silverstone  wrote:

>
> > > I have a new PC with two HDDs and I am trying to install Windows and
> > > Ubuntu on one of the drives keeping the other for data and so on. In
> the
> > > past I have dual booted many machines without any difficulty but this
> is
> > > the first time I have tried with a machine with 2 drives and there are
> > > problems. Installing XP Pro puts the OS on the main drive as expected
> > > but Ubuntu wants to install on the second drive and not along side
> > > windows.
> >
> > I have three HD's on mine and I have no problem telling Ubuntu exactly
> > where I want it.  There is an option in the installer to select
> > whichever drive you want it on.  I can't remember details without
> > booting into a DVD but if you can't find it, I'll do that for you.
>
> Barry, I would be most grateful if you could point me in the right
> direction. I know that one of the options is to do something else. I
> have looked at that where the drives are listed but I am uncertain what
> to do thereafter.
>
> Norman
>
>
You need to "Do soemthing else". From there it should tell you what you
have on each drive, so should clearly show where Windows is. If you only
have one partition on that drive and Windows is taking up the whole drive,
you can select to partition the drive, which I think uses GParted to do it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Norman Silverstone]

> > I have a new PC with two HDDs and I am trying to install Windows and
> > Ubuntu on one of the drives keeping the other for data and so on. In the
> > past I have dual booted many machines without any difficulty but this is
> > the first time I have tried with a machine with 2 drives and there are
> > problems. Installing XP Pro puts the OS on the main drive as expected
> > but Ubuntu wants to install on the second drive and not along side
> > windows.
> 
> I have three HD's on mine and I have no problem telling Ubuntu exactly 
> where I want it.  There is an option in the installer to select 
> whichever drive you want it on.  I can't remember details without 
> booting into a DVD but if you can't find it, I'll do that for you.

Barry, I would be most grateful if you could point me in the right
direction. I know that one of the options is to do something else. I
have looked at that where the drives are listed but I am uncertain what
to do thereafter.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot problem

[Barry Drake]

On 12/05/12 17:38, Norman Silverstone wrote:

I have a new PC with two HDDs and I am trying to install Windows and
Ubuntu on one of the drives keeping the other for data and so on. In the
past I have dual booted many machines without any difficulty but this is
the first time I have tried with a machine with 2 drives and there are
problems. Installing XP Pro puts the OS on the main drive as expected
but Ubuntu wants to install on the second drive and not along side
windows.


I have three HD's on mine and I have no problem telling Ubuntu exactly 
where I want it.  There is an option in the installer to select 
whichever drive you want it on.  I can't remember details without 
booting into a DVD but if you can't find it, I'll do that for you.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot user does self conversion

[alan c]

On 17/10/11 14:12, Avi Greenbury wrote:
> alan c wrote:
> 
>> I just received this (now slightly edited) email from an acquaintance
>> who is keen to use FLOSS, and has helped with advocacy,  but who has
>> until now been using dual boot or  just live CD methods - since early
>> 2008. Over three years. This is the sort of time scale I have found to
>> be relevant if a previously committed Windows user with DIY admin
>> confidence but no IT or other technical experience gets interested in
>> Ubuntu.
>> 
>> I think this would shorten if a good marketing campaign was run.

> Why? He's been using it for three years already,

How much he has been using it is moot. He has gone to considerable
effort to sometimes help me on displays at my local computer fairs.
But has obviously not wanted to get rid of windows! Even though the
evidence now suggests that he would have been happy to get rid of
Windows sooner.

> so has presumably
> known about it for at least that long. If the intention is to have
> dual-boot users no longer see the need for Windows, 

I can wish

>then the solution
> is surely to have Ubuntu do whatever it is that they're reliant on
> Windows for quicker?

The primary situation is as you describe, he has known about it. But
the secondary situation - that of how he felt as an unconfident,
somewhat isolated user, with neighbours and family (and almost
everybody) doing something else, is one in which an average, ordinary
PC user is reluctant (I believe frightened) to let go of the system
they know longest, have gone through hoops for, have agonised over so
they think they know its ways. This is a bitter sweet comfort, and
users know it is not safe, but they are not confident to make a real
*change*. It takes an epic event to prompt them to decide to commit to
a new product. In this case it was a major failure - no choice. This
user is happy to have made the change, and is rejoicing but would
simply not have done this 'willingly'.

This is where marketing comes in.

Inform of the product initially,

then create an eager need for the product, usually by massive
advertising or creating a big positive social buzz, which surmounts
factors causing reluctance to act (fear, uncertainty doubt)

then supply the endless queue of customers, and support etc.


As an occasional friend of his, I was not, single handed, in a
position of enough influence to have been able to prompt  his decision
any time earlier. But a wider eco system of 'popular' (higher profile)
users would have done this I believe. Marketing.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot user does self conversion

[Avi Greenbury]

alan c wrote:

> I just received this (now slightly edited) email from an acquaintance
> who is keen to use FLOSS, and has helped with advocacy,  but who has
> until now been using dual boot or  just live CD methods - since early
> 2008. Over three years. This is the sort of time scale I have found to
> be relevant if a previously committed Windows user with DIY admin
> confidence but no IT or other technical experience gets interested in
> Ubuntu.
> 
> I think this would shorten if a good marketing campaign was run.


Why? He's been using it for three years already, so has presumably
known about it for at least that long. If the intention is to have
dual-boot users no longer see the need for Windows, then the solution
is surely to have Ubuntu do whatever it is that they're reliant on
Windows for quicker?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot splash screen - Ubuntu 10.04, grub 2

[Liam Proven]

On 2 September 2010 11:26, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
>  Dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
> Every time there's a kernel update I get a new entry in the grub 2 boot
> screen
> I am very confused on how to edit this new version of Grub - in the old
> days I just edited menu.1st file.
> What I'm aiming for is just two entries  - Ubuntu and Windows.
> Can this be accomplished?

I wrote a brief article on how to do this here:
http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/20347.html

You might find it useful. If you don't (or even if you do!) I'd be
grateful if you'd tell me why, either here or in a comment on the
blog. You don't need a Livejournal ID to comment - any OpenID will do
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot splash screen - Ubuntu 10.04, grub 2

[Alan Lord (News)]

On 02/09/10 12:17, John Stevenson wrote:

> You may need to update grup using the command:
>
> sudo update-grup2

/usr/sbin/update-grub2 simply calls update-grub.

when a new kernel is installed (say via an update), or a mew module is 
built using dkms, then the script /usr/sbin/update-grub automatically 
gets run.

This in turn runs /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig which is also a script that 
you can read.

This, basically, searches your system for kernels and other operating 
systems (like Windows for example) and automatically creates the 
necessary files for grub to read when booting.

Other grub configuration rules and parameters - aside from the default 
kernel names and locations - should go in /etc/default/grub.

All this is designed to mean that you no longer should manually edit 
anything in /boot/grub.

HTH

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot splash screen - Ubuntu 10.04, grub 2

[John Stevenson]

On 2 September 2010 11:26, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

>  Dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
> Every time there's a kernel update I get a new entry in the grub 2 boot
> screen
> I am very confused on how to edit this new version of Grub - in the old
> days I just edited menu.1st file.
> What I'm aiming for is just two entries  - Ubuntu and Windows.
> Can this be accomplished?
>
>
Hello Gordon,
I am sure you probably know this, but if you remove older kernels then they
will no longer show up on the grub menu list.  Personally I dont keep more
than three different kernel versions and you should probably always keep two
known working ones (the current kernel and previous one) just in case there
is a bug with your hardware.

If you want to keep all your kernels, then the only thing I saw was to hide
your recovery kernels (not sure thats the best idea).  If you edit

*/etc/default/grub*
**
and add / change / uncomment the following line

*GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY=true*
Tthis line to prevent "Recovery" mode kernel options from appearing in the
menu. If you want a "Recovery" option for only one kernel, make a special
entry in /etc/grub/40_custom.

You may need to update grup using the command:

sudo update-grup2

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot splash screen - Ubuntu 10.04, grub 2

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

 On 02/09/2010 11:39, Steve Fisher wrote:
On 2 September 2010 11:26, Gordon Burgess-Parker > wrote:


 Dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
Every time there's a kernel update I get a new entry in the grub 2
boot
screen
I am very confused on how to edit this new version of Grub - in
the old
days I just edited menu.1st file.
What I'm aiming for is just two entries  - Ubuntu and Windows.
Can this be accomplished?

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Download Ubuntu Tweak:

http://ubuntu-tweak.com/

It has a section to remove old kernels (under package cleaner).

Steve


Many thanks - I'll have a look at that.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot splash screen - Ubuntu 10.04, grub 2

[Tony Pursell]

On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:26 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> Dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
> Every time there's a kernel update I get a new entry in the grub 2 boot 
> screen
> I am very confused on how to edit this new version of Grub - in the old 
> days I just edited menu.1st file.
> What I'm aiming for is just two entries  - Ubuntu and Windows.
> Can this be accomplished?
> 

Documentation for Grub2

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2

and

http://grub.enbug.org/Manual

Hope that helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot splash screen - Ubuntu 10.04, grub 2

[Steve Fisher]

On 2 September 2010 11:26, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

>  Dual booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
> Every time there's a kernel update I get a new entry in the grub 2 boot
> screen
> I am very confused on how to edit this new version of Grub - in the old
> days I just edited menu.1st file.
> What I'm aiming for is just two entries  - Ubuntu and Windows.
> Can this be accomplished?
>
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http://ubuntu-tweak.com/

It has a section to remove old kernels (under package cleaner).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Barry Titterton]

On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 13:51 +0100, Rob Beard wrote:
> On 27/07/10 13:21, Barry Titterton wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:55 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> >
> >> When installing, it's dead easy. Choose custom disk partitioning, give
> >> about 10-20GB to the root partition (called "/") and the rest to
> >> /home, leaving about 2GB at the end for a swap partition.
> >>
> >
> > Liam,
> >
> > I didn't find it dead easy when I tried to install Lucid with a separate
> > Home directory on a spare desktop a few weeks back. When I got to the
> > manual install screen I was expecting something like the GParted
> > graphical interface but I found the screen that was I was presented with
> > rather confusing. None of the sites that I had Googled before hand
> > showed the actual install screen, nor explained what all of the options
> > meant. I chickened out and opted for the default, all-in-one
> > installation. Subsequent research suggests that I should have used the
> > live CD to run GParted and partition the disc before the installation.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> 
> Try this guide, step 4 onwards covers separate /home partitions. 
> Although bear in mind it does assume the hard drive is either blank or 
> that you don't want to keep anything that is on the drive (for instance 
> an existing installation of Windows etc).
> 
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Installing-Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-141550.shtml
> 
> Rob
> 

Thanks Rob, just what I needed. I have bookmarked that page.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Rob Beard]

On 27/07/10 13:21, Barry Titterton wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:55 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> When installing, it's dead easy. Choose custom disk partitioning, give
>> about 10-20GB to the root partition (called "/") and the rest to
>> /home, leaving about 2GB at the end for a swap partition.
>>
>
> Liam,
>
> I didn't find it dead easy when I tried to install Lucid with a separate
> Home directory on a spare desktop a few weeks back. When I got to the
> manual install screen I was expecting something like the GParted
> graphical interface but I found the screen that was I was presented with
> rather confusing. None of the sites that I had Googled before hand
> showed the actual install screen, nor explained what all of the options
> meant. I chickened out and opted for the default, all-in-one
> installation. Subsequent research suggests that I should have used the
> live CD to run GParted and partition the disc before the installation.
>
> Barry
>
>

Try this guide, step 4 onwards covers separate /home partitions. 
Although bear in mind it does assume the hard drive is either blank or 
that you don't want to keep anything that is on the drive (for instance 
an existing installation of Windows etc).

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Installing-Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-141550.shtml

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Barry Titterton]

On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:55 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:

> When installing, it's dead easy. Choose custom disk partitioning, give
> about 10-20GB to the root partition (called "/") and the rest to
> /home, leaving about 2GB at the end for a swap partition.
> 

Liam,

I didn't find it dead easy when I tried to install Lucid with a separate
Home directory on a spare desktop a few weeks back. When I got to the
manual install screen I was expecting something like the GParted
graphical interface but I found the screen that was I was presented with
rather confusing. None of the sites that I had Googled before hand
showed the actual install screen, nor explained what all of the options
meant. I chickened out and opted for the default, all-in-one
installation. Subsequent research suggests that I should have used the
live CD to run GParted and partition the disc before the installation.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Norman Silverstone]

Thank you all for your most helpful advice. I shall sleep on it and then
make a decision,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Alan Lord (News)]

Please take a look at the grub man pages.

You certainly used to be able to create a grub *device map* file that 
would allow it to tell the OS that its drive was the the first one, e.g. 
sda even if it according to the BIOS it was sdb.

I would be surprised if this feature has been removed as it is exactly 
what you need when running different OSs on separate hard drives. 
Especially Windows because it really wants to be on the first drive (C: 
or sda).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Liam Proven]

On 26 July 2010 17:41, Norman Silverstone  wrote:

> You could be right but this presupposes that I know how to do such a
> thing which, for the record, I do not.

When installing, it's dead easy. Choose custom disk partitioning, give
about 10-20GB to the root partition (called "/") and the rest to
/home, leaving about 2GB at the end for a swap partition.

Once you've already installed, it's a bit more tricky, and if you
don't know what you're doing, it's probably best left alone.


> Perhaps we do not mean the same thing by 1st and 2nd drives. In the old
> set up the computer would boot into Ubuntu unless the boot procedure was
> interrupted by pressing Esc. XP could then be selected and the boot
> process continued with the drive which had XP installed.

On the POST screen of your computer, it should list what hard disks it
can see as it boots. That is the order I am talking about. The first
hard is the first one to appear, the second comes after it. This is
not some arcane technical concept!

I wrote a guide to partitioning here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/23/reg_linux_guide_2/


> The installations were done on different PCs of similar specifications.

Then I stand by my earlier comment:
>> Ubuntu will probably handle a move fine. Windows probably won't.

There are 2 ways to dual boot. I favour the "official" way, which
seems to me to be the easiest, simplest and most straightforward. It
is this, which I already have outlined:

[1] Install Windows on the first, primary, hard disk. Leave space for
Linux on that or another drive. Windows puts its bootloader on the 1st
primary partition of the 1st drive.

[2] Install Linux in the remaining space. Linux replaces Windows'
bootloader with its own bootloader, which displays a menu. From this,
you can choose which OS to start up.

Others seem to favour using the BIOS to change which is the bootable
drive, so that neither OS can boot the other or is even aware of the
other. This is what "Yorvyk" is recommending in this thread. This way,
both drives have a single bootloader and you use the PC's firmware to
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Yorvyk]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:56:00 +0100
Norman Silverstone  wrote:

> 
> > > 

> > > 
> > Having done this, the hardest/longest part of this is getting all the 
> > correct drivers into Windows.
> > What I did was plug just the windows drive into the machine and get that 
> > sorted with the correct drivers and updates. Once that was done, the 
> > windows drive was then set to be the second drive and the Ubuntu one the 
> > first. Once Ubuntu was booted 'update-grub' was run, which picked up 
> > windows.
> > This arrangement has a couple of advantages in that it doesn’t modify the 
> > windows drive, so no fiddling with fdisk /mbr or what ever if you wish to 
> > move it later. and if there are boot problems you can just choose which 
> > drive to boot from in BIOS.
> > 
> This is more or less what I did those years ago. The only part I did not
> know about was update-grub. Does this work with the current version of
> grub?
> 
Yes, it was done with Karmic and XP. I couldn’t believe how easy it was, I was 
expecting to be editing assorted grub config files. Having said that, it will 
probably turn into a complete nightmare for you :D

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Norman Silverstone]

> >> > I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
> >> > on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
> >> > and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
> >> > the extra drive.
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > How does this affect your suggested method?
> >>
> >> The existing Ubuntu install... tell us about it. Is it partitioned or
> >> is /home on the same volume as /?
> >
> > The existing install is 9.10, which I intended to upgrade to 10.04, and
> > it is not partitioned
> 
> Hmm. Not ideal. I recommend, for what it's worth, that for future use,
> you put /home in its own partition. This makes life much easier in
> many ways.

You could be right but this presupposes that I know how to do such a
thing which, for the record, I do not.
> 
> But saying that, it should work, nonetheless.
> 
> >>
> >> Is it expecting to be the 1st or 2nd or other drive in the system?
> >
> > I would expect Ubuntu to be on the 1st drive.
> 
> Well, in that case, I can't help. That is, as per my previous
> messages, exactly the way that I do *not* recommend. Others have
> commented with their suggestions; you may wish to ask them rather than
> me.

Perhaps we do not mean the same thing by 1st and 2nd drives. In the old
set up the computer would boot into Ubuntu unless the boot procedure was
interrupted by pressing Esc. XP could then be selected and the boot
process continued with the drive which had XP installed. 
> 
> >> Same or different hardware?

> > Both drives SATA.
> 
> Um. This appears to be an answer to a completely different question.
> 
> The question I was asking was:
> Was the installation of Ubuntu and Windows on your disk(s) done on the
> same PC, or on a different PC?

The installations were done on different PCs of similar specifications.
> 
> Ubuntu will probably handle a move fine. Windows probably won't.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Liam Proven]

On 26 July 2010 16:43, Norman Silverstone  wrote:
>
>>
>> > I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
>> > on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
>> > and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
>> > the extra drive.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > How does this affect your suggested method?
>>
>> The existing Ubuntu install... tell us about it. Is it partitioned or
>> is /home on the same volume as /?
>
> The existing install is 9.10, which I intended to upgrade to 10.04, and
> it is not partitioned

Hmm. Not ideal. I recommend, for what it's worth, that for future use,
you put /home in its own partition. This makes life much easier in
many ways.

But saying that, it should work, nonetheless.

>>
>> Is it expecting to be the 1st or 2nd or other drive in the system?
>
> I would expect Ubuntu to be on the 1st drive.

Well, in that case, I can't help. That is, as per my previous
messages, exactly the way that I do *not* recommend. Others have
commented with their suggestions; you may wish to ask them rather than
me.

>> Same or different hardware?
>
> Both drives SATA.

Um. This appears to be an answer to a completely different question.

The question I was asking was:
Was the installation of Ubuntu and Windows on your disk(s) done on the
same PC, or on a different PC?

Ubuntu will probably handle a move fine. Windows probably won't.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Norman Silverstone]

> > 
> > 
> > >  However, I expect that the
> > > > current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
> > > > appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
> > > > what I propose is feasible.
> > > 
> > > It certainly is and you don't need 2 HDs to do it. A single large one
> > > will do fine.
> > 
> > I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
> > on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
> > and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
> > the extra drive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How does this affect your suggested method?
> > 
> Having done this, the hardest/longest part of this is getting all the correct 
> drivers into Windows.
> What I did was plug just the windows drive into the machine and get that 
> sorted with the correct drivers and updates. Once that was done, the windows 
> drive was then set to be the second drive and the Ubuntu one the first. Once 
> Ubuntu was booted 'update-grub' was run, which picked up windows.
> This arrangement has a couple of advantages in that it doesn’t modify the 
> windows drive, so no fiddling with fdisk /mbr or what ever if you wish to 
> move it later. and if there are boot problems you can just choose which drive 
> to boot from in BIOS.
> 
This is more or less what I did those years ago. The only part I did not
know about was update-grub. Does this work with the current version of
grub?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Norman Silverstone]

> 
> > I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
> > on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
> > and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
> > the extra drive.
> >
> > 
> >
> > How does this affect your suggested method?
> 
> The existing Ubuntu install... tell us about it. Is it partitioned or
> is /home on the same volume as /?

The existing install is 9.10, which I intended to upgrade to 10.04, and
it is not partitioned  
> 
> Is it expecting to be the 1st or 2nd or other drive in the system?

I would expect Ubuntu to be on the 1st drive.
> 
> Same or different hardware?

Both drives SATA.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Yorvyk]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:26:25 +0100
Norman Silverstone  wrote:

> Thanks Liam
> 
> 
> 
> >  However, I expect that the
> > > current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
> > > appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
> > > what I propose is feasible.
> > 
> > It certainly is and you don't need 2 HDs to do it. A single large one
> > will do fine.
> 
> I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
> on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
> and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
> the extra drive.
> 
> 
> 
> How does this affect your suggested method?
> 
Having done this, the hardest/longest part of this is getting all the correct 
drivers into Windows.
What I did was plug just the windows drive into the machine and get that sorted 
with the correct drivers and updates. Once that was done, the windows drive was 
then set to be the second drive and the Ubuntu one the first. Once Ubuntu was 
booted 'update-grub' was run, which picked up windows.
This arrangement has a couple of advantages in that it doesn’t modify the 
windows drive, so no fiddling with fdisk /mbr or what ever if you wish to move 
it later. and if there are boot problems you can just choose which drive to 
boot from in BIOS.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Rob Beard]

On 26/07/10 14:40, Norman Silverstone wrote:
> Some time ago I had a desktop machine which had been set up with 2 HDDs
> one running Ubuntu and the other Windows XP Pro. Unfortunately this
> machine is no longer in the land of the living and I am considering
> setting up another machine with a similar configuration. The intention
> would be Ubuntu 10.04 on one drive and XP Pro on the other. (I still
> have the old HDD with XP Pro installed and would like to use that.) I
> remember that I needed to make an addition to the Ubuntu boot menu and I
> can find the details of that addition. However, I expect that the
> current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
> appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
> what I propose is feasible.
>
> Norman
>
>

If the hardware is similar you may be able to reuse the XP installation, 
although you may run into problems with activation unless you're lucky 
enough to have a retail boxed copy of Windows (which Microsoft will 
allow you to move from one machine to another).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Matt Wheeler]

On 26 July 2010 15:26, Norman Silverstone  wrote:
> Thanks Liam
>
> 
>
>>  However, I expect that the
>> > current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
>> > appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
>> > what I propose is feasible.
>>
>> It certainly is and you don't need 2 HDs to do it. A single large one
>> will do fine.
>
> I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
> on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
> and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
> the extra drive.
>
> 
>
> How does this affect your suggested method?

Installing Windows on the second hard drive then following the instructions here
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
should be enough.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Liam Proven]

On 26 July 2010 15:26, Norman Silverstone  wrote:

> I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
> on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
> and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
> the extra drive.
>
> 
>
> How does this affect your suggested method?

The existing Ubuntu install... tell us about it. Is it partitioned or
is /home on the same volume as /?

Is it expecting to be the 1st or 2nd or other drive in the system?

Same or different hardware?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Norman Silverstone]

Thanks Liam



>  However, I expect that the
> > current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
> > appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
> > what I propose is feasible.
> 
> It certainly is and you don't need 2 HDs to do it. A single large one
> will do fine.

I do understand that and the drive I have is large enough to dual boot
on that drive the problem is that it already has Ubuntu installed on it
and I therefore assumed that it would be easier to dual boot by adding
the extra drive.



How does this affect your suggested method?

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[ByteSoup]

On 26/07/10 14:49, Liam Proven wrote:

On 26 July 2010 14:40, Norman Silverstone  wrote:
   

Some time ago I had a desktop machine which had been set up with 2 HDDs
one running Ubuntu and the other Windows XP Pro. Unfortunately this
machine is no longer in the land of the living and I am considering
setting up another machine with a similar configuration. The intention
would be Ubuntu 10.04 on one drive and XP Pro on the other. (I still
have the old HDD with XP Pro installed and would like to use that.) I
remember that I needed to make an addition to the Ubuntu boot menu and I
can find the details of that addition. However, I expect that the
current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
what I propose is feasible.
 

It certainly is and you don't need 2 HDs to do it. A single large one
will do fine.

Just install Windows *first*. Note that you probably can't move an
existing install of XP from one machine to another; usually, the
drivers etc. for one machine mean that the installed copy will not
work on different hardware. Ubuntu, OTOH, is very likely to work fine
when transplanted.

When installing Windows, leave (say) half the HD unused. Install
Ubuntu after Windows - it will sort out the dual-boot stuff for you.

If you have 2 disks, no problem; put Windows on the 1st and Ubuntu on
the 2nd, and again, Ubuntu will do all the necessary legwork for you.

The thing to avoid is putting Linux on 1st, /then/ Windows. At best,
this will stop Linux booting; at worst, it will result in a
non-working Windows install /and/ a now-non-working Linux.

   
To add to the above advice, some references I found useful for the new 
grub bootloader seen sonce 9.10


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot with 2 HDDs

[Liam Proven]

On 26 July 2010 14:40, Norman Silverstone  wrote:
> Some time ago I had a desktop machine which had been set up with 2 HDDs
> one running Ubuntu and the other Windows XP Pro. Unfortunately this
> machine is no longer in the land of the living and I am considering
> setting up another machine with a similar configuration. The intention
> would be Ubuntu 10.04 on one drive and XP Pro on the other. (I still
> have the old HDD with XP Pro installed and would like to use that.) I
> remember that I needed to make an addition to the Ubuntu boot menu and I
> can find the details of that addition. However, I expect that the
> current version of Grub is not the same as the old one and would much
> appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to tell me whether or not
> what I propose is feasible.

It certainly is and you don't need 2 HDs to do it. A single large one
will do fine.

Just install Windows *first*. Note that you probably can't move an
existing install of XP from one machine to another; usually, the
drivers etc. for one machine mean that the installed copy will not
work on different hardware. Ubuntu, OTOH, is very likely to work fine
when transplanted.

When installing Windows, leave (say) half the HD unused. Install
Ubuntu after Windows - it will sort out the dual-boot stuff for you.

If you have 2 disks, no problem; put Windows on the 1st and Ubuntu on
the 2nd, and again, Ubuntu will do all the necessary legwork for you.

The thing to avoid is putting Linux on 1st, /then/ Windows. At best,
this will stop Linux booting; at worst, it will result in a
non-working Windows install /and/ a now-non-working Linux.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual Boot or Virtual Machine? (Win 7 and 10.04)

[Rob Beard]

On 08/07/10 17:29, Gordon wrote:
> Apologies if this is a duplicate - the original seems to have
> disappeared into the ether
>
> My Laptop is a Toshiba Satellite L40 with a 2-core 1.6 MHz Pentium
> processor, 2GB RAM (the maximum the machine will take) and an 80 GB SATA
> HDD.
> My dilemma is this:
> The machine has no built-in microphone or webcam. I have a (shudder)
> Microsoft Lifecam VX 3500 which has a built-in microphone which we use
> mainly for Skype video calls. (Also it appears that although there are
> Linux drivers for an HP Officejet J5700 series, the scanning bit of that
> doesn't work).
> This webcam works in Cheese, but NOT in the latest Skype version for
> Linux, and I can't afford (at the moment) to buy a new Linux compatible
> Webcam with microphone.
>
> My question is this, which would be the best use of resources on this
> machine - to dual boot 10.04 and Windows 7 or to install Windows 7
> within a virtual machine on 10.04? (Assuming that a virtual machine
> installation of Windows 7 would be able to access the USB port the
> webcam is plugged into...)
>
>

Technically you may be breaking the terms of the license agreement if 
you install Windows 7 in a VM, but using Virtual Box you should be able 
to do it (it has USB support in the Personal/Evaluation version which is 
free for personal use).  Can't say how well Windows 7 will run on it 
with only 2GB Ram though as you'll have Ubuntu running on there too.

Maybe you might be better dual booting although as always, make sure you 
back up anything important, just in case the unforeseen happens (might 
not, but hey, you never can be too careful).

It's a bit of a shame about the memory, could be worth trying a 2GB 
stick of DDR2 memory if you can find someone who has one you can borrow.

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot on Macbook problems

[doug livesey]

Ah -- apparently this is a known bug in Ubuntu-mac installations.If you get
rEFIt first, that can ease the pain.
In the end, I created a bootable rEFIt disk, used the partition tool on that
to synch the drive (the tool asked me if I would let it fix it & I said
yes), and then restored the working external drive to the internal, and all
was well.
Grief!
I'm going to do the Ubuntu install again some time when the adrenaline has
worn off!
Cheers,
   Doug.

2009/2/10 doug livesey 

> Cheers for that -- I'm thinking the same way, after seeing how hot the ext
> drive is getting as a boot drive!
>
> 2009/2/10 Michael Holloway 
>
> Doug, I'm no Mac user but I would throw caution to the wind when dual
>> booting between and internal and external hard drive. Could cause
>> problems with the MBR/active/boot partition being in the wrong location
>> when the drive is removed etc.
>>
>> I would suggest partitioning the internal hard drive and having that
>> boot both OS's, and use the external as a Data drive or something.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 10:32 +, doug livesey wrote:
>> > Hi -- I tried last night to install Ubuntu on an external FW drive on
>> > my Macbook.
>> > It wouldn't reboot from the external drive, and managed to kill the
>> > install on my main HD -- hopefully the drive itself is ok, but I'm not
>> > sure (I can see it in the restore list).
>> > I tried restoring from TimeMachine to my internal drive, but that
>> > didn't work, so I ended up restoring OSX to the external drive, and am
>> > currently booting from that.
>> > What I'm hoping to do now, then, is to install Ubuntu on the internal
>> > HD, as I want to use it as my main dev environment anyway, so that
>> > could all have worked out in the end, if my internal HD is ok.
>> > I thought, however, I'd ask the expert collective about any potential
>> > gotchas before trying this -- there appear to be a few to ubuntu on a
>> > mac that I was not previously aware of! ;)
>> > Cheers,
>> >Doug.
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot on Macbook problems

[doug livesey]

Cheers for that -- I'm thinking the same way, after seeing how hot the ext
drive is getting as a boot drive!

2009/2/10 Michael Holloway 

> Doug, I'm no Mac user but I would throw caution to the wind when dual
> booting between and internal and external hard drive. Could cause
> problems with the MBR/active/boot partition being in the wrong location
> when the drive is removed etc.
>
> I would suggest partitioning the internal hard drive and having that
> boot both OS's, and use the external as a Data drive or something.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 10:32 +, doug livesey wrote:
> > Hi -- I tried last night to install Ubuntu on an external FW drive on
> > my Macbook.
> > It wouldn't reboot from the external drive, and managed to kill the
> > install on my main HD -- hopefully the drive itself is ok, but I'm not
> > sure (I can see it in the restore list).
> > I tried restoring from TimeMachine to my internal drive, but that
> > didn't work, so I ended up restoring OSX to the external drive, and am
> > currently booting from that.
> > What I'm hoping to do now, then, is to install Ubuntu on the internal
> > HD, as I want to use it as my main dev environment anyway, so that
> > could all have worked out in the end, if my internal HD is ok.
> > I thought, however, I'd ask the expert collective about any potential
> > gotchas before trying this -- there appear to be a few to ubuntu on a
> > mac that I was not previously aware of! ;)
> > Cheers,
> >Doug.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot on Macbook problems

[Michael Holloway]

Doug, I'm no Mac user but I would throw caution to the wind when dual
booting between and internal and external hard drive. Could cause
problems with the MBR/active/boot partition being in the wrong location
when the drive is removed etc.

I would suggest partitioning the internal hard drive and having that
boot both OS's, and use the external as a Data drive or something.

Cheers,
Michael


On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 10:32 +, doug livesey wrote:
> Hi -- I tried last night to install Ubuntu on an external FW drive on
> my Macbook.
> It wouldn't reboot from the external drive, and managed to kill the
> install on my main HD -- hopefully the drive itself is ok, but I'm not
> sure (I can see it in the restore list).
> I tried restoring from TimeMachine to my internal drive, but that
> didn't work, so I ended up restoring OSX to the external drive, and am
> currently booting from that.
> What I'm hoping to do now, then, is to install Ubuntu on the internal
> HD, as I want to use it as my main dev environment anyway, so that
> could all have worked out in the end, if my internal HD is ok.
> I thought, however, I'd ask the expert collective about any potential
> gotchas before trying this -- there appear to be a few to ubuntu on a
> mac that I was not previously aware of! ;)
> Cheers,
>Doug.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot with Vista

[Stephen Courtney]

Thomas Ibbotson wrote:
> Sean Miller wrote:
>> Folks,
>>  
>> I've just got a new laptop, bright and shiny with loads of memory and 
>> gratuitous amounts of hard disk space...
>>  
>> It runs Vista, every rose has its thorns...
>>  
>> What's the latest on dual boot issues?  Are there any?  Am I likely to 
>> cause issues with Vista if I go for a default Ubuntu install, or not?
>>  
>> Any advice/experience much appreciated.
>>  
>> Sean
> I dual boot Ubuntu and Vista. You can repartition your hard drive live 
> in Vista if you go to Computer Management->Disk Management, which is 
> what I did, and then installed Ubuntu onto that partition. I had no 
> problems and now rarely boot back into Windows.
> 
>

One word of warning though - I ended up using the Grub boot loader, 
which worked fine, until I went to install Service Pack 1 for Vista. It 
wouldn't install until I restored the Vista bootloader. I vaguely 
remember reading that it was recommended to use the Vista one anyway.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot with Vista

[Thomas Ibbotson]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> I've just got a new laptop, bright and shiny with loads of memory and 
> gratuitous amounts of hard disk space...
>  
> It runs Vista, every rose has its thorns...
>  
> What's the latest on dual boot issues?  Are there any?  Am I likely to 
> cause issues with Vista if I go for a default Ubuntu install, or not?
>  
> Any advice/experience much appreciated.
>  
> Sean
I dual boot Ubuntu and Vista. You can repartition your hard drive live 
in Vista if you go to Computer Management->Disk Management, which is 
what I did, and then installed Ubuntu onto that partition. I had no 
problems and now rarely boot back into Windows.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual boot with Vista

[Andrew Berry]

Hi Sean,

I got a new laptop a few weeks ago and had no issues with dual booting Vista
and Ubuntu, it all worked smoothly which surprised me!

Regards,

Andrew

On 22/03/2008, Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I've just got a new laptop, bright and shiny with loads of memory and
> gratuitous amounts of hard disk space...
>
> It runs Vista, every rose has its thorns...
>
> What's the latest on dual boot issues?  Are there any?  Am I likely to
> cause issues with Vista if I go for a default Ubuntu install, or not?
>
> Any advice/experience much appreciated.
>
> Sean
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:09 +, Michael Holloway wrote:
> Norman.
> 
> is suspect something the following would work, but i dont have a dual
> boot machine around to have a look at the settings...
> 
> 
> title Windows
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> root (hd0,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
> 
> 
> If not, can you type
> "sudo fdisk -l"
> in your terminal and paste it in a reply. 

Thank you for your suggestion but the one from Mac does the trick.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

> norman wrote:
> > ( snip )
> > 
> >> I don't know if it helps at all, but my menu.lst is set up with this at
> >> the end (automagically added, not manually by me, I might add):
> >> 
> >> title  Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> >> root   (hd0,0)
> >> savedefault
> >> makeactive
> >> chainloader+1
> >> 
> >> I don't know if the extra lines "savedefault" or "makeactive" would get
> >> rid of the error message, just posting this as an example of a working
> >> grub menu item! (My dual-boot is from the same hdd, windows and then
> >> ubuntu partitions). 
> > 
> > I have 2 discs so this probably would not apply but thanks for the
> > suggestion.
> >> 
> >> Were you following instructions from this list or an online how-to?
> > 
> > I cannot remember whether it was from this list or another I must do
> > some more research.
> >> 
> >> Good luck sorting the issue out,
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > Norman
> > 
> > 
> 
> Norman >>> This is the last section of my menu.lst
> 
> title  Windows XP
> root   (hd1,1)
> savedefault
> makeactive
> map(hd0) (hd1)
> map(hd1) (hd0)
> chainloader+1
> 
> 
> I've got Ubuntu on hd0 (the 'first' hard drive) and Windows is on hd1. 
> Windows will refuse to boot if it isn't in the first partition of the 
> first drive. That's why we trick windows to make it think it's there 
> with the map lines, which remap the drive numbers for windows.
> 
> NB:  My "root" value - hd1,1 (not hd1,0) - is to jump over a small 
> partition that Dell puts at the start of its drives to get to the main 
> partition where Windows is.

Thank you very much. I changed the second line to (hd1,0) and all is
well. I am now a happy bunny.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Michael Holloway]

Norman.

is suspect something the following would work, but i dont have a dual
boot machine around to have a look at the settings...


title Windows
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
root (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1


If not, can you type
"sudo fdisk -l"
in your terminal and paste it in a reply. 


cheers,
michael




On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 13:12 +, norman wrote:
> Old nuisance is here again - Happy New Year - I had a sata hdd for
> Christmas on to which I installed Win XP Pro having first disconnected
> the Ubuntu hdd. Then, with both drives connected I confirmed that the
> Ubuntu drive is hd0 and the Windows drive is hd1. At the end of menu.lst
> in Grub folder I added at the very end:-
> 
> title Windows
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> rootverify (hd1,hd0)
> chainloader 
> 
> On starting to boot I pressed esc and, at the bottom of the list, there
> was Windows. I am winning I thought so, after selected Windows I pressed
> enter and saw what I had entered in menu.lst and an error message:-
> 
> Invalid or unsupported executable format.
> 
> I seem to have done something wrong and hope that some kind reader can
> point me in the right direction, please.
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Mac]

norman wrote:
> ( snip )
> 
>> I don't know if it helps at all, but my menu.lst is set up with this at
>> the end (automagically added, not manually by me, I might add):
>> 
>> titleMicrosoft Windows XP Professional
>> root (hd0,0)
>> savedefault
>> makeactive
>> chainloader  +1
>> 
>> I don't know if the extra lines "savedefault" or "makeactive" would get
>> rid of the error message, just posting this as an example of a working
>> grub menu item! (My dual-boot is from the same hdd, windows and then
>> ubuntu partitions). 
> 
> I have 2 discs so this probably would not apply but thanks for the
> suggestion.
>> 
>> Were you following instructions from this list or an online how-to?
> 
> I cannot remember whether it was from this list or another I must do
> some more research.
>> 
>> Good luck sorting the issue out,
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Norman
> 
> 

Norman >>> This is the last section of my menu.lst

title  Windows XP
root   (hd1,1)
savedefault
makeactive
map(hd0) (hd1)
map(hd1) (hd0)
chainloader+1


I've got Ubuntu on hd0 (the 'first' hard drive) and Windows is on hd1. 
Windows will refuse to boot if it isn't in the first partition of the 
first drive. That's why we trick windows to make it think it's there 
with the map lines, which remap the drive numbers for windows.

NB:  My "root" value - hd1,1 (not hd1,0) - is to jump over a small 
partition that Dell puts at the start of its drives to get to the main 
partition where Windows is.

Are you sure Windows is in the first partition of the drive it's on, and 
you don't need to jump over something?

HTH

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

( snip )

> I don't know if it helps at all, but my menu.lst is set up with this at
> the end (automagically added, not manually by me, I might add):
> 
> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> root  (hd0,0)
> savedefault
> makeactive
> chainloader   +1
> 
> I don't know if the extra lines "savedefault" or "makeactive" would get
> rid of the error message, just posting this as an example of a working
> grub menu item! (My dual-boot is from the same hdd, windows and then
> ubuntu partitions). 

I have 2 discs so this probably would not apply but thanks for the
suggestion.
> 
> Were you following instructions from this list or an online how-to?

I cannot remember whether it was from this list or another I must do
some more research.
> 
> Good luck sorting the issue out,

Thank you

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Josh Blacker]

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 13:12 +, norman wrote:
> Old nuisance is here again - Happy New Year - I had a sata hdd for
> Christmas on to which I installed Win XP Pro having first disconnected
> the Ubuntu hdd. Then, with both drives connected I confirmed that the
> Ubuntu drive is hd0 and the Windows drive is hd1. At the end of menu.lst
> in Grub folder I added at the very end:-
> 
> title Windows
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> rootverify (hd1,hd0)
> chainloader 
> 
> On starting to boot I pressed esc and, at the bottom of the list, there
> was Windows. I am winning I thought so, after selected Windows I pressed
> enter and saw what I had entered in menu.lst and an error message:-
> 
> Invalid or unsupported executable format.
> 
> I seem to have done something wrong and hope that some kind reader can
> point me in the right direction, please.
> 
> Norman

I don't know if it helps at all, but my menu.lst is set up with this at
the end (automagically added, not manually by me, I might add):

title   Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root(hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

I don't know if the extra lines "savedefault" or "makeactive" would get
rid of the error message, just posting this as an example of a working
grub menu item! (My dual-boot is from the same hdd, windows and then
ubuntu partitions). 

Were you following instructions from this list or an online how-to?

Good luck sorting the issue out,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

Sorry at the end it should have been chainloader +1

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

> Are both drives now detected?

No, unfortunately.
> 
> Does windows start up fine now, without the satat drive plugged in?

No it doesn't and I have decided to give up for now and do what everyone
advises me to do, dual boot on the one drive. But, never fear, this is
not the end of the project. I have got a few bits and pieces lying
around from which I shall build a PC and then we can  press on with all
the knowledge already gained.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Daniel Lamb]

Are both drives now detected?

Does windows start up fine now, without the satat drive plugged in?

Regards,
Daniel

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On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 21:52 +, Daniel Lamb wrote:
> Check your cd drive is set to master and your bios is set to detect ide
> devices, 

That's a point, the cd drive is set to slave, I'll change it. IDE
devices are detected because the CD drive is shown.
> 
> Also while you are there check how many ide channels you have(perhaps 2
with
> 2 primary and 2 secondary). If you have 2 channels perhaps you could put
the
> drive onto the primary.

There is only one IDE channel the rest are ATA.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 21:52 +, Daniel Lamb wrote:
> Check your cd drive is set to master and your bios is set to detect ide
> devices, 

That's a point, the cd drive is set to slave, I'll change it. IDE
devices are detected because the CD drive is shown.
> 
> Also while you are there check how many ide channels you have(perhaps 2 with
> 2 primary and 2 secondary). If you have 2 channels perhaps you could put the
> drive onto the primary.

There is only one IDE channel the rest are ATA.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

< snip >

> You don't write to the MBR like you would a partition, this is taken
> care of by the bootloader install program. If you were installing
> Windows to the same drive as Ubuntu you'd hit problems because Windows
> would rewrite the MBR with its own simpleton loader instead of Grub.
> When you boot from a hard drive, your BIOS tries to execute whatever
> lies in the MBR. If there's no bootloader the BIOS tries to execute
> the very first thing on the 'active' or 'boot' partition.

Thank you very much indeed, that helps me to understand a little more.
So, I assume, that if Windows is installed first followed by Ubuntu then
the MBR created by Windows would be overwritten by the MBR from Ubuntu.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Daniel Lamb]

Check your cd drive is set to master and your bios is set to detect ide
devices, 

Also while you are there check how many ide channels you have(perhaps 2 with
2 primary and 2 secondary). If you have 2 channels perhaps you could put the
drive onto the primary.

Regards,
Daniel


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The plot thickens some more. I managed to get at the BIOS and the drive
is not recognised there. I checked most carefully to make sure that the
cable was properly seated and it seemed OK. Bearing in mind that it is
on the same cable as the CD drive could it be because I set the jumper
to slave or is it something more sinister. I think I will leave it for
tonight and start again in the morning.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

The plot thickens some more. I managed to get at the BIOS and the drive
is not recognised there. I checked most carefully to make sure that the
cable was properly seated and it seemed OK. Bearing in mind that it is
on the same cable as the CD drive could it be because I set the jumper
to slave or is it something more sinister. I think I will leave it for
tonight and start again in the morning.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Tom Bamford]

norman wrote:

MBR, can you post the menu.lst and device.map files the from /boot/grub/
directory to the pastebin (or to this list)? Then we can see the current
configuration and maybe make suggestions about what needs to be changed.

Please explain to this ignorant one what is the MBR and how do things
get installed there?
  
Sorry, forgot to mention that the Master Boot Record is a small section 
before any partitions on your disk where the bootloader (Grub) sits. 
Actually Grub is too big for the MBR so only a small piece of Grub is 
stored there - the rest is self-loaded from the files in your /boot/grub 
directory.


You don't write to the MBR like you would a partition, this is taken 
care of by the bootloader install program. If you were installing 
Windows to the same drive as Ubuntu you'd hit problems because Windows 
would rewrite the MBR with its own simpleton loader instead of Grub. 
When you boot from a hard drive, your BIOS tries to execute whatever 
lies in the MBR. If there's no bootloader the BIOS tries to execute the 
very first thing on the 'active' or 'boot' partition.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Tom Bamford]

norman wrote:

If I'm following correctly, the Ubuntu drive is SATA. Therefore it
doesn't come into master/slave debate.



That is correct and interesting. Does that mean I could just plug in
another SATA drive without having to worry about setting jumpers etc?
  
I don't have much experience with SATA drives so my help is limited. I 
believe you can have one SATA drive per header/connector meaning no need 
for jumpers. Some controllers are hot swappable so you can plug drives 
in and out without turning off your machine (except for the drive you 
are booting from of course).



Assuming the Ubuntu drive is fully working and Grub is installed to the
MBR, can you post the menu.lst and device.map files the from /boot/grub/
directory to the pastebin (or to this list)? Then we can see the current
configuration and maybe make suggestions about what needs to be changed.


Please explain to this ignorant one what is the MBR and how do things
get installed there?

There have been no changes made to menu.lst other than the few lines
right at the end which I was advised to put there, these are:-
title Windows
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
chainloader +1

device.map is simply:-

(hd0) /dev/sda

I would have thought there should be some reference to hd1.
  


Grub doesn't update the device.map unless you ask it to, so new drives 
don't get immediately recognised. You can run the 'update-grub' script 
from a terminal on the live CD to have Ubuntu rewrite the file, although 
I don't think there's any harm in editing it yourself. In any case 
you'll need an extra line in device.map for your second drive:


(hd0) /dev/hda

Not sure if your other drive will be /dev/hda, it could also be hdb, hdc 
or hdd, depending on which controller it's connected to and whether it's 
the master or slave to your optical drive.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

> If I'm following correctly, the Ubuntu drive is SATA. Therefore it
> doesn't come into master/slave debate.

That is correct and interesting. Does that mean I could just plug in
another SATA drive without having to worry about setting jumpers etc?
> 
> Assuming the Ubuntu drive is fully working and Grub is installed to the
> MBR, can you post the menu.lst and device.map files the from /boot/grub/
> directory to the pastebin (or to this list)? Then we can see the current
> configuration and maybe make suggestions about what needs to be changed.

Please explain to this ignorant one what is the MBR and how do things
get installed there?

There have been no changes made to menu.lst other than the few lines
right at the end which I was advised to put there, these are:-
title Windows
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
chainloader +1

device.map is simply:-

(hd0) /dev/sda

I would have thought there should be some reference to hd1.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Stephen Drake]

On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 19:38 +, Sean Miller wrote:
> For the record, I'd always be tempted to put the Windows drive as
> master and Ubuntu as slave...
> 
> Linux is far better at adapting to circumstances...
> 
> Sean

If I'm following correctly, the Ubuntu drive is SATA. Therefore it
doesn't come into master/slave debate.

Assuming the Ubuntu drive is fully working and Grub is installed to the
MBR, can you post the menu.lst and device.map files the from /boot/grub/
directory to the pastebin (or to this list)? Then we can see the current
configuration and maybe make suggestions about what needs to be changed.

Regards
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Sean Miller]

For the record, I'd always be tempted to put the Windows drive as master and
Ubuntu as slave...

Linux is far better at adapting to circumstances...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

> What you need to do is check what device the drive is now connected as, grub
> might well see it as hd1 instead of before as hd0.

Now that seems to be a jolly good idea. How do I do it please?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Daniel Lamb]

What you need to do is check what device the drive is now connected as, grub
might well see it as hd1 instead of before as hd0.

Regards,
Daniel

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For those who may be interested here is the latest bulletin. There are 2
hard drives connected up, one with Ubuntu and one with windows XP. The
windows drive is connected as slave to the CD drive cable. Pressing
escape as the machine start to boot brings up the menu and windows is
the last item on the list. (Before connecting the windows drive the
words I had been given ages ago were written into /boot/grub/menu.lst)
Selecting windows gives a message suggesting that the windows drive does
not exist.

Ah ha, I thought lets have a look at the BIOS and all of a sudden I am
back to where I was several days ago. When the machine is switched on
instead of the usual Intel screen which tells me how to access the BIOS
and so on I get a message which tells me that my video mode is not
supported. I suppose I shall have to sit there and guess when to press a
key and try F2, Esc, del or any other key which you care to suggest.

I am going for my evening meal and when I get back to my computer I look
forward to reading all your words of pearly wisdom.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

For those who may be interested here is the latest bulletin. There are 2
hard drives connected up, one with Ubuntu and one with windows XP. The
windows drive is connected as slave to the CD drive cable. Pressing
escape as the machine start to boot brings up the menu and windows is
the last item on the list. (Before connecting the windows drive the
words I had been given ages ago were written into /boot/grub/menu.lst)
Selecting windows gives a message suggesting that the windows drive does
not exist.

Ah ha, I thought lets have a look at the BIOS and all of a sudden I am
back to where I was several days ago. When the machine is switched on
instead of the usual Intel screen which tells me how to access the BIOS
and so on I get a message which tells me that my video mode is not
supported. I suppose I shall have to sit there and guess when to press a
key and try F2, Esc, del or any other key which you care to suggest.

I am going for my evening meal and when I get back to my computer I look
forward to reading all your words of pearly wisdom.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

< snip >

> > Which connection do you mean by first, the one nearest the CD drive or
> > nearest to the mother board?
> >   
> 
> When you are setting your drives by jumper to be master or slave, the
> cabling order has no effect. The first connector is the one at the
> end, furthest away from the end plugged into the motherboard, but this
> only matters when you set your drives to 'cable select' (neither
> explicit master nor slave).

Thank you indeed, that's the first doubt removed. Now for the rest.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

> I am joining this thread a bit late so sorry if this has already been 
> mentioned.

< snip >

Thanks for your advice, I only wish I could. I live in St Davids which
is about as far west as you can get in Wales and 15 miles from the
nearest town. That is why I rely so heavily on what I can get from the
list.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[norman]

On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 17:33 +, Sean Miller wrote:
> Is the issue here that Ubuntu is already installed and Windows is not?

It depends on what you mean by installed. One drive has a working copy
of Ubuntu and the other what was a working copy of Windows XP
> 
> If so, it should not be difficult to ditch your current Ubuntu setup
> and re-install, as long as you back up all the volatile directories
> somewhere for later retrieval... these are things like /var, /home
> etc. 
> 
> At which point the simplest way is...
> 
> a. install Windows on master drive
> b. install Linux on slave drive, let it redo MBR for Windows drive
> (ie. dual boot)
> c. restore volatile Ubuntu data (eg. /home directories and installed
> applications) 

 Well worth considering if all else fails.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Tom Bamford]

norman wrote:

If that is the case you will probably have to change some of the
jumpers on the ide devices themselves. You should set the jumpers on
the hard drive (ide) to master, and the jumpers on the CD drive to
slave. Then connect the ide hard drove to the first connection on the
cable and the CD drive to the second connection point.



Which connection do you mean by first, the one nearest the CD drive or
nearest to the mother board?
  


When you are setting your drives by jumper to be master or slave, the 
cabling order has no effect. The first connector is the one at the end, 
furthest away from the end plugged into the motherboard, but this only 
matters when you set your drives to 'cable select' (neither explicit 
master nor slave).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Sean Miller]

Is the issue here that Ubuntu is already installed and Windows is not?

If so, it should not be difficult to ditch your current Ubuntu setup and
re-install, as long as you back up all the volatile directories somewhere
for later retrieval... these are things like /var, /home etc.

At which point the simplest way is...

a. install Windows on master drive
b. install Linux on slave drive, let it redo MBR for Windows drive (ie. dual
boot)
c. restore volatile Ubuntu data (eg. /home directories and installed
applications)

Sean
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Andy]

I am joining this thread a bit late so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Much advice appears to have been given, some contradictory. This is
often because some of the choices are due to personal preferences. So
instead of adding my opinion on the exact wiring I shall offer some
slightly different advice:

Have you considered contacting some local Linux people to see if they
are willing to give you a hand in setting up your Dual Boot? Your
local LUG (Linux User Group) is a very good place to start
.

Some of them have what is called a "Bring A Box" meeting, where you
can bring along your PC. Maybe someone will be able to guide you
through it in person? (wise to ask in advance on the mailing list to
see if there will be someone willing to help).

WARNING: Make a full backup of everything you want from your current
hard drive. All though it's uncommon things can go wrong, and you can
guarantee if something is going to go wrong it will happen the one
time you don't have a backup!

Good luck whatever you do in the end.

Let us know how it goes!



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