Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] FeltonLUG needs Ubuntu speaker for November 5th Meeting
Hey, all -- I'm going to assume that, since I haven't heard from anyone regarding the message below, there is no one available to talk about Ubnutu 11.10 to Felton LUG this Saturday. As such, I'll just burn some live CDs and give a presentation on Oneiric myself. Thanks, Elizabeth, for posting this request originally. Larry Cafiero On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > Hi everyone, > > For many Ubuntu releases Larry Cafiero of FeltonLUG > (http://feltonlug.sturdywebs.com/) invites Grant Bowman to FeltonLUG > to give a presentation about the latest Ubuntu release. I offered to > stand in for Grant this time, but unfortunately their meeting date was > moved from the 2nd Saturday to the 1st Saturday of November due to a > change in availability of the venue. This makes it Saturday November > 5th and I'm going be out of town. > > Is there anyone who can head down and give a talk for them? I can help > out with talk material since I'll be giving an 11.10 talk tomorrow > night, so I have notes and slides that can be modified to your liking. > > -- > Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 > http://www.princessleia.com > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Selling my power laptop
"though," not thouch. Lesson here: Don't talk to other people while you're typing. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Hey, Dave -- > > Drool. This is a nice machine, but way too rich for this poor boy. > I'll post it to the Felton LUG list, thouch > > Larry Cafiero > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:52 PM, David Wonderly > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hey all, I'm selling my laptop. It works quite well but, it's just a >> bit big and bulky for what I need it for. >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/290610810117?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >> >> I'll pay for shipping and give 100 bucks if you can help me sell it. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Dave >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOc+ElAAoJEBNtbG/oe00kPCsH/0WgUfHgbT8eC6k8nuAcXLMU >> xVa1b807EeqxQlIiAQnkaV500Vac4Od3hNutSK9S7mljlV1obx51UXZU9E1cJzgl >> x9kk43mwQkN5jDAYV32AB2/L7l1wFoeqnMbvOfwaMaQY/NpGb1SrMV4Xz4SbBSsN >> cn8o/619Si+pEO+OP0aDYaAZrfHEpFYKJJmaBRTg3rtMLFvaS5yoS3u0JHcYNcmM >> 6CfNPfesZFjF02pnamT2qEpPFd8tP2VIp1lAgkMl1oJ2sMWN1l1Kf0CsRQuE7d4a >> HzgKyCyGFwexDyJ37fKEitWD/ZqGdqrO58yAMRwlMo/4HUvvmFkUPG+NTuGhvAc= >> =7nzD >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list >> Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca >> > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Selling my power laptop
Hey, Dave -- Drool. This is a nice machine, but way too rich for this poor boy. I'll post it to the Felton LUG list, thouch Larry Cafiero On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:52 PM, David Wonderly wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey all, I'm selling my laptop. It works quite well but, it's just a > bit big and bulky for what I need it for. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/290610810117?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > I'll pay for shipping and give 100 bucks if you can help me sell it. > > Cheers! > > Dave > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOc+ElAAoJEBNtbG/oe00kPCsH/0WgUfHgbT8eC6k8nuAcXLMU > xVa1b807EeqxQlIiAQnkaV500Vac4Od3hNutSK9S7mljlV1obx51UXZU9E1cJzgl > x9kk43mwQkN5jDAYV32AB2/L7l1wFoeqnMbvOfwaMaQY/NpGb1SrMV4Xz4SbBSsN > cn8o/619Si+pEO+OP0aDYaAZrfHEpFYKJJmaBRTg3rtMLFvaS5yoS3u0JHcYNcmM > 6CfNPfesZFjF02pnamT2qEpPFd8tP2VIp1lAgkMl1oJ2sMWN1l1Kf0CsRQuE7d4a > HzgKyCyGFwexDyJ37fKEitWD/ZqGdqrO58yAMRwlMo/4HUvvmFkUPG+NTuGhvAc= > =7nzD > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu Local team table
Bear in mind, too, that I think you can still register for a free pass to the exhibit floor (only) by using the code OS11FREE when you register (it'll deduct the $25 admission). Once you're in on the exhibit floor, you can help Mark out at the booth. Simple enough, eh? Larry Cafiero On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Mark Terranova wrote: > Hello all, sorry for this being last minute, we have table at OSCON. We have > only two expo passes- I need to know who needs them, as well as who is > planning on going and is willing to help with table. I won't be able to help > since I have other obligations. > -Mark > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Ubuntu talk at Felton on May 14, 2011
Thanks, Grant, as always for being one of our "big name" speakers on all matters Ubuntu. Larry Cafiero Felton Linux Users Group Felton (Santa Cruz County), California On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Grant Bowman wrote: > Here's an email I just sent to the Felton LUG following up after the > talk I gave on Saturday. We had a great discussion. > > Cheers, > > Grant > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Grant Bowman > Date: Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM > Subject: Ubuntu talk at Felton on May 14, 2011 > To: felton-...@googlegroups.com > Cc: Cabrillo GNU/Linux Users Group > > > Greetings everyone, > > Bob asked me to email some of the links from my talk this weekend so > here they are. I really enjoyed the conversation. The Felton LUG is > IMHO the top community group in all of Northern California for the > level of interest and expertise in Linux. We covered a lot of ground. > I would be thrilled to see more people from the Felton LUG take even > more initiative to get involved with the Ubuntu project in some way. I > look forward to assisting. > > http://www.ubuntu.com > > http://www.canonical.com > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntu_11.04_Installation_SS.png > - a Unity sample > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana - the project that produced Unity > and related technology > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Version_timeline > > http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654 about Gnome & Unity > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > https://launchpad.net/ > > Cheers, > > Grant Bowman > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Maverick CDs have arrived!
Also, something I've done in the past at events where I had little/no media (related to number 2 below): I have the live cd iso on my laptop ready to make live usb sticks for those who wanted to bring a usb along. Of course, for this to work well would entail an announcement prior to the event saying this option will be available, and it puts the onus of bringing media on the person who's getting it. Larry Cafiero On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Neal had the Maverick CDs shipped up to me so I'm taking care of > distribution this time around. > > If you would like some CDs, please contact me at l...@ubuntu.com with > your name, address and purpose for request (Need some for your school > or library? Handing out at small event?). > > If you are in the same area as someone else in the team who needs CDs > please try to request them together as I'm paying for these shipping > costs out of pocket and it's cheaper to send larger packages than > several small ones (I know there are several folks in the San Diego > area - maybe one of you can request some CDs and share with everyone > else at the upcoming Ubuntu Hour there?). > > This is the only shipment the team gets per cycle, so please don't > waste these CDs and request only a limited number to suit your needs! > Follow these tips to help stretch our supply: > > 1. At tech events, inform (maybe hand out cards with instructions?) > users that they can download and burn an ISO: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto > > 2. Burn ISOs as they wait! Bring along some blank CDs and a system > that can burn a CD at the event and give them a fresh copy > > 3. For handing out at other events, use the pressed CDs as display > copies and use our CD sleeves for burned copies: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves > > NOTE: For larger conferences please contact NealBussett at > n...@bussett.com with details so he can request an > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences conference pack AT LEAST 6 > weeks prior to the event > > I have added this information to the bottom of > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/MaverickRelease so > everyone will be able to keep track of the number of CDs still > available. > > Thanks everyone! > > -- > Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 > http://www.princessleia.com > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] CD ISO Stanford? - Re: No California Ubuntu Mirror?
ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/ Larry Cafiero On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:37 PM, giovanni_re wrote: > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:27:18 -0700, "Larry Cafiero" < > larry.cafi...@gmail.com> said: > > Off the top of my head, I know USC, UC Irvine and Stanford also have > > mirrors > > (though I don't know if these are mirrors that giovanni_re is talking > > about). To say that there's no tech going on here is pretty funny. > > Got a link for that stanford one? Is that a CD mirror? > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] No California Ubuntu Mirror?
Off the top of my head, I know USC, UC Irvine and Stanford also have mirrors (though I don't know if these are mirrors that giovanni_re is talking about). To say that there's no tech going on here is pretty funny. Larry Cafiero On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: > On 04/22/2010 03:30 PM, Jono Bacon wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 15:28 -0700, giovanni_re wrote: > >> Must be time for California to pack it up & go home. > >> > >> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors > >> > >> No technology going on in this state. > > > > Not entirely sure that just because there is not a mirror that it means > > no technology is going on this state. :-) > > > > Jono > > > > Not quite sure I'm picking up on the humor here, but it really does > depend on what list you look at, iso mirrors only tell part of the > story. So for those interested take a look at: > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors > UC Davis, Merced, and Berkeley all have repository mirrors. > > I won't even get into torrents. > > Alex > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Asking For Opinion: Leadership Appointment Process
It seem that this particular situation requires a leadership process, and the one proposed is sound. +1 Larry Cafiero On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Jono Bacon wrote: > Hi All, > > I just want to clarify my original question as there was a little > confusion reported to me earlier: I am asking whether you feel that the > leadership process is required at all. If you feel the team would > benefit from having that process in place, vote with +1, if you feel > that the team is running just fine without it, vote -1. > > Sorry for any confusion. Thanks, all! > > Jono > > -- > Jono Bacon > Ubuntu Community Manager > www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org > www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] KDE/Kubuntu
Dabbler Although at my daughter's private alternative school, where I'm the "IT Dad," the principal is a Kubuntu user and we're talking about moving the schools minuscule computer lab (4 old Dells) to Kubuntu. It wouldn't be my first choice -- Edubuntu comes immediately to mind -- but it's not my school :-) Anyway, you asked. Larry Cafiero On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Darkwing Duck wrote: > Hey all, I'm working a little project with the KDE guys and I'm trying to > get > a feel for how many Kubuntu users we have in the Loco. If you could let me > know if you use Kubuntu that would be awesome. Even if you just dabble that > would be good too. > > Thanks! > > DW > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts
In an e-mail to this list earlier today I said, " . . . from time to time, I say things I have to take back." While normally I find I have to take them back a day or two later, today -- after an off-list discussions with Nathan -- I've seem to have broken my own record. I started the discussion about the shirts and a reference Nathan made that I thought was sexist; despite the fact the statement was, for all intents and purposes, an arguably innocuous one. During the course of a degenerating discussion, however, things were said by me and others, and a tangent formed which drew away from the original discussion at hand. Not speaking for anyone other than me, I'd like to apologize to the list for setting off this needless firestorm of argument that took away from the original issue, and I'd like to apologize to Nathan for implying that he was being unreasonable. Needless to say, I have always thought highly of, and have always appreciated, Nathan's continuous efforts working with the California LoCo. [Oh, and sorry, Jack, for making your computer tell you "You Have Mail" again, too.] So mea culpa, all. Let's get some t-shirts. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Nathan Haines wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 10:15 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote: > > > > > Good. We all should, and hopefully do. However, you don't seem to be > > bothered by making a statement implying dividing shirts into those > > with "ponies" (subtext: a "girl" motif) and those that don't. > > I don't think calling out what was a disappointingly sexist remark > (although probably in an attempt to be politically correct, to give the > benefit of the doubt) is sexist. > Good. I'm glad you don't mind that I called you out for making one, despite being way off base about why I did it. Hint: It wasn't to be politically correct, and let me suggest that assuming someone says something just to be "PC" is always a weak argument. The "ponies" statement was sexist. I appreciate the fact that you recognize this. > > Incidentally, I'm just wondering: In light of this and Mark > > Shuttleworth's arguable gaffes at LinuxCon, is it community policy to > > dig yourself in deeper after you say something ridiculous, or is the > > phrase, "Gee, I'm sorry. I seem to have misspoken" forbidden from the > > community's lexicon? > > I did not misspeak when I said that the premise that a simple shirt with > a logo on both sides needed to be planned specially with women in mind > because they had some sort of alien fashion sensibility was completely > non sequitur with the idea that they are people too, which was spoken in > the same breath by the person who suggested it. That would be nice, Nathan, except you seem to be falling into your typical cherry-picking of statements irrelevant to the main argument that, in several cases over the past several months, has bogged down the list. Suffice to say, the logo was not the issue when the original poster made his comment about separate shirts for men and women -- that was my understanding, although the original poster is free to jump in here and correct me. Also, with a limited knowledge of fashion, my understanding is that the differences in men's and women's t-shirts revolve around the cut of the collar, for example (v-neck as opposed to crew neck), or a tapering in the waist -- though anyone with more fashion knowledge than me is free to jump in here as well. -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Nathan Haines wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 08:26 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Nathan Haines > > wrote: > > I find the implication that women need to be separately > planned for or else they're being deliberately excluded to be incredibly > offensive. Good. We all should, and hopefully do. However, you don't seem to be bothered by making a statement implying dividing shirts into those with "ponies" (subtext: a "girl" motif) and those that don't. Got it. > Women are people, indeed. While there are certainly times > when it's an important consideration, I don't think a simple logo tee is > one of them. While it's an important consideration to remember that women are people, indeed, you're also right, Nathan, that a logo tee may not be one where we need to make separate shirts. Might be nice, though, but not particularly necessary. Incidentally, I'm just wondering: In light of this and Mark Shuttleworth's arguable gaffes at LinuxCon, is it community policy to dig yourself in deeper after you say something ridiculous, or is the phrase, "Gee, I'm sorry. I seem to have misspoken" forbidden from the community's lexicon? The reason I ask is that, from time to time, I say things I have to take back -- which I do, with apologies if necessary -- so I don't want to be in violation of any policy/policies. -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Nathan Haines wrote: > No one's being sexist, they don't have to have ponies on them. Ponies? No one's being sexist, except . . . . [Not to worry, Nathan. It's the same kind of flip remark that got Mark Shuttleworth in hot water at LinuxCon.] A simple "They'll be the same as the men's t-shirts" would have sufficed. -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Food at CLS and OSCON
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Vivek Ayer wrote: > They recommend we go to Iguanas Burritozilla, > which serves a 5 lb. burrito!! Do you eat that or mount it on the wall? -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] User Group Link
"On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Nathan Haines wrote in response to Paul Reiber: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 15:42 -0700, Paul Reiber wrote: >> hrm... translation: "no, Grant (and everyone else)... 'cause I want it >>this other way" >I think Neal adequate described the reasoning behind the removal of the link, and he did so at Grant's insistence." I don't think this addresses what Paul's talking about, which seems to be a recurring problem with this thread when either Nathan or Neil (or both) respond -- the constant disconnect and redirection that happens in what appears to be an attempt at grinding things to a halt over a personality conflict (i.e., Grant proposed it, so we don't want to do it). Ludicrous arguments like this bear me out: Bill Kendrick wrote: > Is the giant LUG list over at Linux Online (linux.org) not sufficient? > (One nice thing about it, is that it seems to automatically ping groups > every year, to make sure information is kept up-to-date. Though, of course, > I'm not sure how may LUGs _do_ keep their stuff up-to-date there.) > And Nathan replies: "It's a perfect example of the difficulty of the problem. Cerritos LUG, which would have been the perfect one for me location-wise, has been dead for years--yet is still there." Perfect example? Are you kidding me? Oh, wait. I get your point, Nathan: If I find a LUG in my area that's no longer active, I'm going to immediately just give up on participating in the California LoCo. Shoot, I'm just going to bag the whole Linux thing and go back to using Windows. Hey, thanks for clearing that up. The fact of the matter is, you're not going to find a perfect LUG list, and to base your argument on this, ahem, "fact" borders on ridiculous. $NEW_UBUNTU_USER and $LOCO_PARTICIPANT will find the one that's next-closest, if s/he so desires. The point here is that you go with the best link you can find to put on your page. Is it going to have inactive groups on it? Count on it. Is that a reason to exclude it? Absolutely not. Then ask yourself this: What does it say about this group that spends so much time on a simple issue that could have easily been resolved with a simple compromise? And further, what am I -- as a LUG leader -- supposed to tell people who attend our meetings and ask about the California LoCo? Do I give them a caveat based on my experience -- "Well, the community doesn't have a decision-making mechanism as such, but decides issues by having a couple of uncompromising people grind down opposition to what they want to do (or what they don't want to do) until it dies away" -- or do I just point them in the direction of the LoCo and let them find out for themselves? (Helpful hint: This is NOT how you keep members active. Just sayin'.) This is just one simple link on a page or series of pages, folks. A simple, inauspicious link which, if it's on a wiki, can just be the word "here" at the end of a sentence like, "To see a list of Linux User Groups in your area, click here." I have an idea: Let's try acting our respective ages going forward and let's bring some real arguments or debate in response. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] A Talking Point - Linus uses Ubuntu
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > I haven't RTFA, but I'm curious as to what aspects of Ubuntu Linus finds > 'easy'? Hi, Bill -- Here's what he told Caitlyn Martin in the interview, for those who haven't RTFA (and Bill, to be fair, gets a pass in my book because I know a new verison of TuxPaint is being tested as we speak): "And when it comes to distributions, ease of installation has actually been one of my main issues - I'm a technical person, but I have a very specific area of interest, and I don't want to fight the rest. So the only distributions I have actively avoided are the ones that are known to be 'overly technical' - like the ones that encourage you to compile your own programs etc. "Yeah, I can do it, but it kind of defeats the whole point of a distribution for me. So I like the ones that have a name of being easy to use. I've never used plain Debian, for example, but I like Ubuntu. And before Debian people attack me - yeah, I know, I know, it's supposedly much simpler and easier to install these days. But it certainly didn't use to be, so I never had any reason to go for it." Larry -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] A Talking Point - Linus uses Ubuntu
Hey, Grant -- Just throwing in a couple of cents: Framing the talking point around Linus' talking about ease of use -- where Ubuntu excels -- might be a better than simply saying "Linus uses Ubuntu" because the point of Caitlyn's blog, I think, is that ease of use is of primary importance to Linus. Also in other interviews, Linus has said on more than one occasion that he uses Fedora because, if I remember reading correctly, he runs a PowerPC G5 (and he mentions using Fedora on in this blog as well). As a PPC user, I'll resist the temptation to rant about how it's wrong for distros to abandon the PPC architecture, but perhaps the most important thing is to stress the talking point of "ease of use" in this article as well as Linus' oft-quoted dictum that the OS should be invisible. Sorry I missed the meeting last night. I had connectivity problems at $DAYJOB. Larry Cafiero On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Grant Bowman wrote: > This is a good talking point. I haven't seen anything newer, but if > Ubuntu is good enough for Linus... > > http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/linux-torvalds-on-linux-distri.html > > Grant Bowman > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] User Group Link
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Nathan Haines wrote: > I'm not a big fan of "this is only my opinion" disclaimers in my own > messages, because I think in general people are adults and can handle > differing opinions. (In fact, in this particular instance, I'm not sure > we even do have substantial disagreements.) But the mailing list is for > discussion and I was ready to jump in once I got home from work. I'm > really glad you jumped in just as I was opening a new message window. Glad to have been of help, and I don't think we have substantial disagreements. I don't mention the "disagree/disagreeable" aspect to say that "this is only my opinion," but rather as a pretext to hopefully head off the remote possibility that this discussion may head south, as some recent discussions have on this list. As you might expect, I'm also looking forward to hearing from others on > the list. True that. Let's hear from others. -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] User Group Link
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Nathan Haines wrote: > No, I don't think it should be on every page either, but that's what > Grant is advocating. I don't read it that way, but we're past that now. > In fact, I am thinking about what a dedicated page > should look like... but I'm also wondering if it would be better off in > a more general location and not confined to the California wiki pages. There are ways around the toil and labor that goes behind making such a page, if the effort is the issue. The LoCo might want to give some thought to just linking on an appropriate page or pages to another site that lists California LUGs. For example, you could ask the SVLUG folks if they'd mind the LoCo linking to their list of LUGs (there's is probably the best in the state -- whether that's saying anything is arguable), and I'd be willing to bet they'd be OK with that. > ... I really value our > LUGs--they're a social group in a way that a LoCo really isn't designed > to be, and I think that the LoCos are a wonderful way for users of all > Linux distros to remember what they have in common. Correct. The dynamic between LoCo and LUG is pretty clear and it works pretty well, at least where we're concerned in Felton. I'm pretty confident that future projects will work with LUGs whenever > appropriate and possible. The momentum we have going is encouraging and > I don't see it stopping. Agreed. Also, part of keeping the momentum going at times when we might be at loggerheads -- like on this issue, for example -- it would benefit us to keep in mind that we can easily reserve the right to disagree with each other without being disagreeable to one another. In that spirit, I welcome further discussion on this issue. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] User Group Link
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Haines wrote: > > For one thing, I don't think the link deserves to be on every single > page in the wiki. If we're going to highlight anything on the wiki, it > should definitely be our own upcoming projects or events, since that is > the focus of the page. I don't believe it should be on every single page of the wiki, but you should have wiki pages where people who are using Ubuntu and want more face-to-face interaction with other people using Ubuntu -- and where will they find them? Oh yeah! LUG meetings -- then it would behoove the LoCo to put it up on at least some of them that pertain to activities. You say "on the wiki" Nathan -- tell me you have more than one wiki page, right? Another thing that concerned me since we first compiled the list is that > there have been countless sites that exist to list LUGs and events, and > not a single one of them is complete or maintained. If a dedicated site > can't do it, I don't have any confidence that we'll manage to and I > think that's a very poor sort of link to feature on every sort of page. Not a single one? I'm going to assume you checked all of them. > Grant likes to say "our target audience is all Ubuntu users in > California", which is a huge strawman and which I feel is an attempt to > justify including a few things that don't belong on the wiki. > Regardless of whom we are targeting as a resource, it is important to > remember and focus on being a resource about the LoCo. This is not > self-serving, it's simply the purpose of the wiki. While I think we > should help promote LUGs where appropriate, I don't think every single > page of our wiki is the right place to do so. I don't think anyone's asking for "every single page of the wiki" to promote LUGs, but I do think it works in Ubuntu's best interest to promote LUGs on appropriate pages, as I outlined in my earlier e-mail. > I am, however, very happy and proud that we have a couple Bay Area LUGs > who are providing fliers for our OSCON booth, and I'm sorry that our > booth wasn't big enough to accommodate them. I'm hoping we can do more > promotion in the future, but I think the best chance we have to promote > LUGs is through conventions and hopefully on the podcast. As am I. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] User Group Link
Hey, Ubunteros --
I am in agreement with what Grant writes below -- nice work all around,
Grant -- but I'm especially in agreement in regard to directing people to
LUG meetings (which, ideally, will be properly attended by Ubuntu LoCo
members) because in the short, medium and long run, it benefits Ubuntu and
any other distro or FOSS program that takes the reins on this issue.
Yes, I have a "vested interest" in this facet of what is written below as
one of the organizers of Felton LUG, but also my interest goes beyond just
the LUG. That interest lies in promoting FOSS in the greater scope of
things and making sure newcomers aren't confused about what Ubuntu is (or
what OpenSUSE or Fedora or Mint or OpenOffice.org is, for that matter) and
the parameters that organizations like Felton LUG work hand in hand with
groups like the California LoCo to uplift FOSS in general and [fill in the
blank with your favorite distro] in particular.
Having said this, Grant is right when he asks that a link to "local
meetings" or "get involved" be returned to the wiki in some form.
Larry Cafiero
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Grant Bowman wrote:
> I have tried to emphasize what we agree on. I think that even if we
> differ in initial approaches, strategies or implementations we
> strongly agree on the most fundamental Ubuntu LoCo goals. I know that
> we can show humanity toward each other and work together guided by the
> Ubuntu Code of Conduct. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>
> The link ("Local Meetings" under "Get Involved" on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu) was removed May 16th,
> 2009. I feel a link with a different name should be put back. A new
> link will need to clearly identify to wiki visitors what is contained
> in the
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UserGroupContacts/Groups
> page while not misleading visitors into thinking "we" have local
> meetings. I think the danger of a misperception by visitors is low.
> The difficulty in typing this long URL and finding this information
> without a link (shown at the top of almost all CaliforniaTeam pages)
> is very, very high.
>
> Choices for the new link include "User Groups" (some groups do more
> than Linux & still talk about Ubuntu) "UG Meetings" or something else.
> I encourage hearing opinions both for and against restoring the link.
>
> I hope the descriptions & links below provide some relevant context.
>
> Grant Bowman
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam
>
> --
>
> In California there are many, many more Ubuntu users than there are
> LoCo team members. This is a very significant factor. The state of
> California is not only geographically large but the economic activity
> is hard to underestimate. Per
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Economy "As of 2006,
> California's GDP is larger than all but eight countries in the world."
> The number and size of Linux conferences held all over the state is
> tremendous. These include SCaLE, OSCON and many others. Linus
> Torvalds moved to our state in 1997 and lived here for many years.
> Through he moved to Oregon in June 2004 this should not detract from
> the important role California continues to play in the global
> technology sector.
>
> Many activities could be relevant/"in scope" depending on exactly whom
> we attempt to serve with our group's actions.
>
> If the target audience of our actions is all Ubuntu users within the
> borders of our state (or even all computer users in California), then
> for many people a physical meeting is much more "open" and accessible
> compared to virtual meetings using IRC. This will become increasingly
> true as Linux & Ubuntu adoption by mainstream computer users increases
> and the average technical skill of Ubuntu users decreases. Many quite
> technical people I meet have never used IRC or have not used it in a
> many years. As our mail list and IRC channel are the primary means of
> communication, this familiarity with the tools we use can be a barrier
> to entry for Ubuntu users to join us.
>
> If the target audience for group activities is "regular IRC
> participants" or "mail list contributors" or
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+members<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-california/+members>then
> activities will
> have a different focus.
>
> In thinking about how LoCos might choose to work with user groups,
> some links and quotes I find helpful are:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ states "...Most importantly however,
> [a LoCo Team] lets people find other Ubuntu users near them..." Even
> if we d
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] OSCON
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Joe Smith wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've got a rough draft for our OSCON application, and wanted to run it by > you all. Here's the request: > > > >> Please email me a 50-word company description and a hi-res logo. We prefer >> vector-based art (such as an Adobe Illustrator file), and if that is not >> possible we need a CMYK, 300 dpi file of the logo at least 3" wide. I also >> need the url you would like your logo to be linked to. >> > > Here's my description: > > Ubuntu promises to provide an up-to-date, stable experience for the > average user, with a strong focus on usability and ease of installation. The > Ubuntu California Team will demonstrate the various flavors of Ubuntu and > will be on hand to answer questions attendees may have about the Ubuntu > Linux distribution. > Putting on my editor's hat for a moment, I'd have to say this is good, Joe. To tighten it up a little I'd make the following changes: Ubuntu provides an up-to-date, stable experience for the average user, with a strong focus on usability and ease of installation. The Ubuntu California Team will demonstrate the various flavors of Ubuntu and will answer questions about the Ubuntu Linux distribution. [Taking out what I think are extraneous words and phrases only. Otherwise the original was fine.] Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] SF Jaunty release party
I can't organize it, but I know that the Felton LUG would welcome the opportunity to have a Jaunty event at its next meeting on May 2. So if there are any Ubunteros in Santa Cruz County (or nearby) interested in this, they can contact me for details. Larry Cafiero On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Jesse Zbikowski wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Christian Einfeldt > wrote: > > Grant, the links below are just links to the sign up page for SF-LUG's > > mailing list as well as the archives for the mailing list. Is there > going > > to be a Jaunty release party for SF? > > Yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/JauntyRelease > > Sorry I haven't been active on this list up to now. I'm currently > looking for Linux-related entertainment and hoping to meet with Grant > and some of the other Ubuntu CA folks soon. > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Global Bug Jam Feb 20-22
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Nathan Haines wrote: > > Incidentally, this reminds me. I hope to have some sort of display > showing the status of the GBJ during the weekend at our SCaLE booth. Ah. So you're aware you're doing this during SCaLE. I was going to bring it up, but never mind. See you all there. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting Tomorrow, July 27
I can't make the meeting tonight -- I'm at work and being held prisoner behind a firewall (Amnesty International -- help!) -- but I wanted to touch base about Lindependence. I don't know who's going to give the report tonight -- Daniel Gimpelevich was there and pitched in as the Ubuntu point-guy on Tuesday (7/15) and Saturday (7/26) -- but I wanted to supplement whatever report was given tonight. On Tuesday 7/15, we had about 30 folks come in during the course of the evening, some of whom brought hardware to have Linux installed on them. To my knowledge, all installs on Tuesday (which were only a few) were Ubuntu. Many others went home with LiveCDs and my card in case questions arose. On Saturday 7/26, we had about 50-60 people come in during the course of four hours. While people brought their machines on Sunday (7/13) and Tuesday (7/15), Saturday's event was more of a "shopping" crowd -- people were more curious and no one, that I saw, brought hardware for installation. However, there's a silver lining to this because we gave out a lot of LiveCDs and got to talk up the distros, and I pretty much handed out the balance of the Ubuntu 8.04.1 disks that Grant Bowman (I think) left with us after 7/13. On the whole in Felton, I believe Ubuntu made great strides in the area, since I think it was the distro that most people converted to, number wise. As for numbers, I don't have exact numbers, but it was in the area of 15-20 conversions, most (if not all) to Ubuntu. In addition, at least twice that many LiveCDs went out -- some of which were provided by Grant, and some provided by the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group and their software library (which needs to be replenished). There is another Lindependence event being planned for Boulder Creek, California, about 6 miles north of Felton in the Santa Cruz Mountains. This event(s) may be as early as the end of August, but September is more like it. If anyone has any questions or wants more information, feel free to e-mail me off list, or ask here and I can answer them. Sorry, again, that I can't be at the meeting this evening. Larry Cafiero On 7/26/08, Neal Bussett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Howdy All, > Just a reminder that we have a meeting tomorrow (Sunday, July 27) at 7pm > (1900PDT) in #ubuntu-california on Freenode. Instructions on connecting > to IRC through various clients can be found here: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and if you can't get > one of those to work, you can also try mibbit: http://www.mibbit.com/ > > Our current meeting agenda can be found here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/08July27 > And at the time of this email it consists of: > Status Updates for: > * our User Group reachout program, > * Ubuntu Friendly Hardware Suppliers > * Lindependence. > * Details about our Global Bug Jam (coming up in two weeks). > * Details about the SGVLUG Presentation (Aug 14) > > Hope to see you all tomorrow! > > Neal Bussett > Ubuntu California > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting Tonight! (6/29)
Neal -- Also, if you're contacting user groups, please add the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group. You can put me as a contact -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Larry Cafiero On 6/29/08, Neal Bussett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > We've got a meeting tonight, at 1900PDT in #ubuntu-california. The > agenda can be found here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/08June29 > Feel free to add anything you'd like to talk about to it. > > See you all tonight! > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting Tonight! (6/29)
I can't make it tonight -- as I've said before, I work Sunday nights at a daily newspaper and can't get around the firewall and into the IRC channel. Plus, since I'm the only one on the desk tonight, I can't take off and go home to get on the IRC channel. As far as Lindependence 2008 goes, we are having our first meetings/installfests on July 13 (Sunday) and July 15 (Tuesday) at the hall at Felton Presbyterian Church. There will be a couple of other meetings/installfests in the subsequent weeks -- the location hasn't been determined yet -- and we're hoping to get some Felton residents to go "Microsoft-free" between July 28 and August 4. What it would essentially require from the LoCo would be someone, ideally (but not necessarily) who is fairly local (Silicon Valley/San Francisco area) who can represent Ubuntu, answer questions about the distro, help absolute newbs get started with Ubuntu and, hopefully, have some Live CDs (and whatever else you might think appropriate) to give out. If someone wants to be the point guy/gal for the LoCo and contact me off-list, that would work for me as well. Larry Cafiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] 831-335-7303 831-706-3299 On 6/29/08, Neal Bussett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > We've got a meeting tonight, at 1900PDT in #ubuntu-california. The > agenda can be found here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/08June29 > Feel free to add anything you'd like to talk about to it. > > See you all tonight! > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
Actually, the schedule's not up yet, but it will be soon. We're migrating the site in the next couple of days. I'll get you a schedule. We'd love to have the SoCal folks up for this. Larry On 6/15/08, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry, > > I think that's a great idea. Although it's important to ensure every event > has a friendly, introductory feel, but having different themes would be > great for people that can attend every event, as well as for those that need > help with a specific area. I definitely won't be able to make it on the 5th, > but will you have an installfest on the 12th? I didn't see a schedule on the > site, but I was probably just being blind. Is there a set schedule of events > yet? > > Joe > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Larry Cafiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > On 6/15/08, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think that the event going on in Felton is absolutely > > > amazing, and I think that it'll do a lot to increase awareness. Larry, > is > > > there a big installfest or event you guys are going to have that we > could > > > come up for? I could probably make it up for a weekend to help out and > rep > > > the team. > > > > Thanks, Joe. > > > > As for whether any installfest/meeting will be "bigger" than another, > > it's hard to say. I think perhaps the first event on July 5 would be > > more introductory than the others, where people are getting a taste of > > GNU/Linux and FOSS essentially for the first time. So that could be > > important, as a matter introducing Ubuntu. > > > > Originally, the idea of having mulitiple installfests/meetings was to > > make sure as many people could participate in case the date/dates of > > some of the meetings is inconvenient. Also, the idea had been floated > > just recently to give a "theme" to the other installfest/meetings -- > > like making one "security" and another "the importance of FOSS" -- > > although it hasn't been decided yet if we'll do that (any thoughts?). > > > > > > > > > > Larry Cafiero > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
On 6/15/08, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that the event going on in Felton is absolutely > amazing, and I think that it'll do a lot to increase awareness. Larry, is > there a big installfest or event you guys are going to have that we could > come up for? I could probably make it up for a weekend to help out and rep > the team. Thanks, Joe. As for whether any installfest/meeting will be "bigger" than another, it's hard to say. I think perhaps the first event on July 5 would be more introductory than the others, where people are getting a taste of GNU/Linux and FOSS essentially for the first time. So that could be important, as a matter introducing Ubuntu. Originally, the idea of having mulitiple installfests/meetings was to make sure as many people could participate in case the date/dates of some of the meetings is inconvenient. Also, the idea had been floated just recently to give a "theme" to the other installfest/meetings -- like making one "security" and another "the importance of FOSS" -- although it hasn't been decided yet if we'll do that (any thoughts?). Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
On 6/15/08, Nathan Haines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sure wish I knew. I've certainly heard a lot of complaints that we > don't plan events in Northern California, but when everyone is in > Southern California it isn't really feasible. We're not really in Northern California, technically speaking, but we did have a Hardy Heron event at Cabrillo College in May. > I had high hopes that interested persons would come by the Ubuntu booth > to talk about the LoCo team. One person expressed disappointment that > nothing was happening up there, and another person campe up to me rather > angrily and told me that Ubuntu had better shape up and step forward or > users in the Bay Area would switch to other distros. That remains to be seen, but speaking for the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group in Aptos (Santa Cruz County), it's pretty solidly Ubuntu at this point for a majority of members, some use Fedora and a couple Mandriva. > So while I hope someone comes up with some other ideas, I can't say my > attempt has been very successful. My observation is that someone would have to step up in NorCal (San Francisco/San Jose and points north). Anyone? Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
On 6/15/08, Serene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also a *complete* newbie, Ubuntu-wise (like, three weeks, and I am > learning as I go), but I'm excited about getting M$ out of my life, and > it was my boss's idea, so the whole office (there are four of us, but > around eight computers) is switching over at the same time. > > I'd be really interested in learning about user groups, meetings, etc. Incidentally, Serene, you would be the perfect person to talk to other newbies about your experiences with Ubuntu. Think you could make it down to Felton sometime in July . . . . ? Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
On 6/15/08, Troy Ready <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems odd that the bay area wouldn't have more active members. Is there a way > that we (O.C.'ers) could reach out to Ubuntu enthusiants up north? I think there are, Troy, especially around S.F. Daniel, you out there? :-) Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
On 6/15/08, Nathan Haines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed, and I want to make perfectly clear what I mean here: while I do > remember hearing briefly about the project, I haven't heard anything > since your initial forum post. I certainly haven't read about it in > other online publications nor on the radio. My only real way to know > about this other than Planet Ubuntu and the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is > the mailing list or the wiki. I'm thrilled that you've en able to get > news out to others successfully. I am extremely interested in the > project and would like to be aware as to how it is proceeding. Is there > a centralized resource for this? Mailing list or Web site or anything > that I can follow? I'd be more than happy to post about this on Planet > Ubuntu. We are in the process of migrating the site, which I hope will be done by tomorrow, along with a mailing list and an on-line survey for Felton residents. Currently the page to visit is http://faq.fixedbylinux.com-a.googlepages.com/lindependence2008-bringinglinuxtothemass > Anecdotally, Canonical seems pretty infamous for this. As for "Ubuntu" > jumping at the alternative, Ubuntu is just community, like you or me. I > know there are users in the SF/SJ area as well, but we don't have any > active members from there in our LoCo. Requests for volunteers for > LugRadio Live, for example, went unanswered and in the end it was only > me who made the trip up from Orange County. Without my knowledge, > Canonical didn't do more than provide CDs for the attendee gift bags. Understood. Working under the worst case scenario, if you had some LiveCDs -- or even LiveCDs we could help burn for you if need be. Swag would be nice, but I think it's more important to get media into the hands of those Feltoners curious enough to try this experiment. I can't represent Ubuntu myself because, as the project's coordinator, I should remain distro neutral. I know of one person in S.F. I'd like to ask come down to Felton, but I'm putting out the call now for others. > > Larry, any frustration I might have is directed solely toward the gaps > in communication in the LoCo infrastructure, and explicitly not at you. Understood and appreciated. Thanks. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
On 6/15/08, Nathan Haines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is extremely important that issues like this get put on our meeting > agenda. Three and a half hours before meeting time isn't sufficient > notice. I would agree with that statement. Nathan, don't take this the wrong way, but let me be frank with you: This is not an project that I'm springing on you "three and a half hours before meeting." The Lindependence 2008 project has been out there for several months -- it has been discussed by me in forums and on IRC on several occasions, as well as by others like Ken Starks. It has even drawn the attention of those in other LoCos. It has been touched on by several on-line publications and Ken and I have been on the radio about it several times. I've even gone beyond the LoCo and approached Canonical as well, without response. Again, I would think that Ubuntu would jump to the opportunity to promote the distro to those for whom, essentially, the distro is designed -- new users. And I know there are several people in the San Francisco/San Jose area who would be able to participate if they so desired. Having said this, I'd welcome the opportunity to bring this up at a meeting -- if there is one (and it doesn't appear that there is going to be one today) -- or on list, which I'm happy to do as well (especially since it's more convenient for me). > That's another thing. I don't know anyone who watches the forums. > Communication is primarily on IRC, or the mailing list. While I should > get into te habit of checking the forums more often, I simply don't. > I'm not really sure what the solution here is, but it is something the > team will have to address as we become more organized. Actually, I watch the forums all the time, usually in lieu of being able to access IRC. I don't have access to IRC all the time -- in fact, I can't use IRC while I'm at my primary job at the newspaper. Incidentally, since the first posting on the forum, the dates have changed for the "Microsoft-free week." There will be installfests and meetings throughout the month of July -- July 5, July 8, July 16, July 19 or 20 (dangerously close to OSCON, I realize) and July 26 before folks are going to be asked to use their choice of distro/FOSS programs from July 28 to Aug. 4. I'll be glad to field further questions or discuss any other issue. Larry Cafiero -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
Re: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight?
Well, I have an item to discuss, and I suppose it could wait -- who's playing on ESPN tonight? -- but I had hoped to talk tonight about Lindependence 2008 in Felton next month. In fact, I was even going to go home and get on the IRC channel to participate, since I can never get past the firewall at the newspaper here. Actually, we may not have to meet to have this discussion -- I'm more than glad to have it on list if no one minds. I'd like to know where the California LoCo stands on it -- essentially whether Ubuntu is in or out. I think the LoCo's participation in the month-long event is vital to the project's success -- it's hard to imagine introducing GNU/Linux to a community without mentioning Ubuntu -- so I'm hoping that Ubuntu will be represented. Here's the brief discussion on the forum (starting in March): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=729582 Again, I don't actually have to discuss this in the meeting -- but I would like to know the following: a.) Is there anyone who wants to represent Ubuntu at the Lindependence 2008 meetings/installfests in Felton next month (preferably, but not necessarily, those who are nearby, since we're just "over the hill" from the Silicon Valley -- but everyone's welcome to participate), and b.) If so, could the person/people involved contact me for details. Thanks. Larry Cafiero HeliOS Solutions West 831-335-7303 On 6/15/08, Troy Ready <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Saves me grief from the family for being in IRC during the baseball game. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nathan Haines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight? > Date: Sun Jun 15, 2008 14:57 > Size: 509 bytes > To: Ubuntu US California > > As we don't really have anything to go over on the agenda, there's > nothing really pressing that's come up, nothing looming in the immediate > future, and it's a holiday, I suggest we cancel tonight's meeting and > instead shoot for June 29th, 2008. > > Any objections? > > Regards, > Nathan > > -- > Nathan Haines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ubuntu California Local Community Team > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > -- Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list Ubuntu-us-ca@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
