[Ugnet] Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle
Well, well, well, whats next for Ugandans?? Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle Samuel O. Egadu APAC RESIDENTS of Tarogali parish in the northern district of Apac yesterday attacked a host of herdsmen there and speared hundreds of their cattle. Eyewitnesses told Daily Monitor that about 200 cattle were killed and another 200 injured in the Monday morning attack. "I am seeing several heads of cattle that have been killed by angry residents. They are about 200. Those injured through spears, hoes and pangas could be 200," an eyewitness who declined to be named for fear of reprisals said in an interview. Police estimates, however, put the number of the dead or injured cattle at between 100-200 animals. "We are not certain of the exact number of cattle killed or injured by the angry residents. I am hearing it's between 100 -200," Police Spokesman Asan Kasingye said by telephone yesterday. Mr Kasingye, however, referred this reporter to the northern regional police commander, Mr Arinatwe Katurebe or his CID counterpart, Mr Vincent Ouma for details. When contacted yesterday, Mr Ouma said he was on his way to the scene. " We delayed to leave Gulu due to logistical problems," Mr Ouma said. "The information I am getting is that many cows were killed and several others injured. I cannot tell the exact number. Our team on the ground is trying to search for the cattle. I am told some cows have run in disarray," he said. By press time, area members of Parliament said about 71 cattle had been killed. Heavily armed anti riot and mobile patrol police from Gulu and Lira commanded by the northern regional CID chief, Vincent Ouma rushed to Apac yesterday afternoon. Apac woman MP, Betty Amongi and the area MP, David Ebong (Maruzi County) said 71 cattle had been speared. "I don't want to blame the residents for their action since the government deliberately ignored our peoples' pleas for the relocation of the pastoralists. The people run out of patience this morning and attacked the marauding pastoralists. They killed 71 cattle," Mr Ebong told Daily Monito r in an interview. "The people did this to protect their land and gardens of crops. They could not allow the pastoralists to continue trespassing on their land and destroying their crops," he said. Amongi said, "This is not a new issue. We tried to use all the available peaceful means for the pastoralist to leave but they ignored. After several pleas for them to leave, the residents had no option but to go for their cattle. They killed about 71," Ms Amongi told Daily Monitor. "The people were provoked by the pastoralists. These headsmen are too arrogant. They kept on rearing their cattle in peoples gardens," she said. Adding, "Some of them have guns. In western Uganda, the Balaalo clashed with the Bagungu in Bullisa. The indigenous Bagungu want the Balaalo moved from the grazing lands in Bullisa. - All new Yahoo! Mail - - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] Re: OJ Please reconsider
"This forum has become to many the one place they go for education on the different divergent ideas that might help our country or those that indeed we should guard against." "What we do here is of so great importance that we should be willing to put up with the lack of proper manners of some of our people that may not have had opportuinity to develope decent social skills, or who may for some other reasons be intrested in being uneccessarily abrasive and abusive." I am going to choose to ignore these above, for Desmond seems not well informed. What of MPs who exchanged blows in parliaments all over the world? Due to lack of proper manners? Or because they were not guarded against? Its these kinds of insults that provoke. So let us be careful. Ocii Desmond Nzaana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Friends I have stumbled on this disturbing news of OJ deciding to quit the forum on account of of unseemly language. I agree with Simon that often language on this forum has not been what one would expect in acivilized debate. I would like to add my voice on those who have appealed to OJ to reconsider by making the folowing observation. The Unique thing about this forum is its diversity of views, the beauty in our disccussion has been in having able and articulate advocates of opposing views. OJ has been the chief advocte of rational economic Federalsim. He has been so good at it tempering the more extreme versions that you are likely to hear from Ekkissodde and group who appear more as advocates of monarchsim, that even those most opposed to the idea like myself have been forced to recognise the validity of some of his arguements. Simillarly OJ has been the most balanced supporter of UPC willing to accept some faults that the party has commited, in sharp contrast to what you might read from Mzee Mulindwa and others. He is been the leading crusader for reconciliation, and has defended it against able opponents like my brother Nsubuga. This forum has become to many the one place they go for education on the different divergent ideas that might help our country or those that indeed we should guard against. There are many silent observers to what takes place here and the impact of this debate might in time prove more important than we can envisage at the present moment, there are participants here that currently have or most certainly others who will in future have opportuinity to influence the course of events in our country. What we do here is of so great importance that we should be willing to put up with the lack of proper manners of some of our people that may not have had opportuinity to develope decent social skills, or who may for some other reasons be intrested in being uneccessarily abrasive and abusive. I would like to appeal to Ladit OJ to put all this into cosideration and return so we can continue to make our humble contribution to the betterment of our country together. I would like to continue opposing his views on Fedralism, on a possible seccestion of Northern Uganda and to continue to my attempts at showing him the better side of FDC and the glorious potential we have in an East African Federation. Mr Oryema your balanced reasonable and humourous aproach to these still devisive issues is not possed by many on this Forum, yours is a unique voice that will reduce the potency of this debate if silenced. And there are great things at stake here. Just come back. okurut simon peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Amina and other colleagues, Indeed it will be a loss if some members withdraw from the forum; however, I fully understand why some people decide to take such an option. In the first case it is a voluntary contribution each one of us makes.Secondly we just give our views concerning the topic of discussion, in which case any member is free to critic the ideas given, and I believe the forum members have some manners for public debates. So when some people specialize in abusing others instead of criticising, I do not blame a volunteer who decides to opt out. To my other brothers and sisters who are bent at frustrating others by being abusive, please do refrain from such acts, for one day you will share one venue with the same person whom you have been abusing, I am sure one can be uncomfortable when you come face to face with such a person. Since we have different backgrounds, it is not possible for a member to know everything, so we are free to disagree and give your views, which incidentally will also be criticised. Let us criticise views given and offer suggestions but not to abuse someone who has tried to share his/her mind. OJ, please do come back, let us give one more trial. Simon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kibuka OJ will come back.He will miss this forum by all means.I'm addicted
[Ugnet] RE: BESIGYE IS NO PEACE MAKER FOR UGANDA
Why did Mu7 hate Dr. Obote, a man who recruited him into public service when he
was still a student, so much? Was his hate for Dr. Obote only personal or he
translated the hate into hating the party the man found?
Gau, I like intelligent discussions.
Ocii
NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Yes Kelle, I bear with you on this "Obal-UPC's" suicidal crusade. Except the
part that, "it is / was Musseveni" holding the dagger. That contradicts your
"look inside" call.
A strong political party is always opposed and all political parties undermine
each other and attract members from each other. Each party chooses it's counter
weapon (strategy).
The UPC could not be so dumb that they did not realize other parties too are
grazing the same pasture: the same Ugandan electorates.
The deal is all you party folks got to know the game and as you put it, look
deep inside before of throwing the blame on some one else.
Noc'la gau
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:58:41 -0400
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Subject: RE: BESIGYE IS NO PEACE MAKER FOR UGANDA
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Mr Semuwemba,
What these UPC members and supoorters are doing, is continue killing UPC
further.
They do not realise the level of destruction Mu7 has meted on the party so
far, that for UPC to regain some of its vegetative nerves, so it can begin to
function again as a party, the party needs a dock to anchor, while it recovers.
Dr Besigye, by breaking away from the NRA/M, offers perfectly that
opportunity UPC, as a beaten up party, needs, if it should regain its lost
glory.
Many of UPC bigshots, like Rwakasisi, Lurangaranga, Rwanyarare, Okulu Epak,
Obadiya Lalobo, on and on, are either long gone, and no longer with us, or are
just struggling with a non-visionary youths, who should know how to go about
this terrible era in the party's life, but they don't. Most of these youths are
just by and large confused.
To them, Dr. Besigye is their enemy #1. So all their energies are being
expended to fight Dr. Besigye and his FDC, when the real person who worked
diligently to kill the party is still sitting on that throne and presiding over
the complete annihillation of the party.
As these UPC members and supporters fight Dr. Besigye and his FDC, Dr.
Besigye and his party will eventually fight back. And Mu7? He will be smilling
all the way to the bank!! For, after these two have destroyed themselves, who
will be left to fight the Bahima's master plan of ruling Uganda for 50 years??
I have stated before that UPC is infiltrated. I will repeat again, the party
is infiltrated. For, the way some of these UPC diehards are fixated with Dr.
Besigye and his FDC, leave a lot to be desired, given Dr. Besigye is not even
in power! And until UPC look inward, the Otienos, Ocaya, Mulindwas, Okellos,
will just be wipping an already dead horse.
Pure and simple.
Ocii
Abbey Semuwemba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Mr. Edward,
You may as well would have written this article yourself. The whole article
sounds like you not Ochieno. I noted so many words you normally use during this
situation. It is so amazing how UPC wastes the partys finances de-campaigning
the opposition party instead of NRMO. Have a good one.
Abbey
GOD BLESS
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Subject: BESIGYE IS NO PEACE MAKER FOR UGANDA
OTHER THOUGHTS | Joseph Ochieno
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It is UPC that has set the political pace
October 27 - November 3, 2007
In his column entitled Besigye turns Ugandan political tradition upside
down, Daily Monitor, October 22, typical of reconditioned NRMs
[Ugnet] NRM and Ali Baba and the 40 thirves
NRM and the story of Ali Baba and the 40 thieves I Often see in the press the NRM humourously likened to the infamous story of Ali Baba and the 40 thieves. The story in Daily Monitor about the governments plan to write off huge loans it advanced to traders is yet another stark reminder of that. What is not usually pointed out is that Baba and company forgot the magic word that would have seen them out of the cave after the looting spree. How true of a group that came to power pledging revolution and mighty political and socio economic miracles and is now down to naked, brutal, unbriddled abuse of public resources. Isnt there someone out there who can remind them of the password they knew well prior to 1986 so that they get out of Cave Uganda before they strip it completely bare? Somebody please help! Sam Ewou By Courtesy of: Michael BWambuga wa Balongo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] Vanishing husbands trouble India
Vanishing husbands trouble India By MADHUR SINGH/NEW DELHI When Archana Sharma got married in 1999, she saw it as a chance to keep her family out of poverty after her father's untimely death. A strikingly beautiful folk dancer from the north Indian state of Haryana, the then 25-year-old had turned down several offers to act in regional-language films because she came from a conservative family, consenting instead to wed a Toronto-based astrologer she knew through her maternal uncle. "I agreed to marry a man I had never met, thinking he would take me to a better life in Canada," she says. "Once settled there, I would take my two younger sisters and our mother, too." After a six-week visit for the wedding, her husband returned to Toronto promising to complete the legal formalities for her to join him. But her tickets never came. After six years of waiting, Sharma received documents informing her that she had been divorced. Stories like Sharma's are growing increasingly common across India, as changing values remove some of the social stigma surrounding failed marriages and concern from activists and officials encourages more women to talk about it. As many as 30,000 women have been abandoned by their émigré husbands, according to one Indian government estimate; activists say the real figures are probably much higher as most cases still go unreported. The Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs (MOIA), established in 2004 to look after the welfare of an estimated 20 million Non-Resident Indians (NRIS), launched a scheme earlier this year to provide counseling and legal and financial aid for Indian wives abandoned abroad. Closer to home, it has published a booklet for women planning to marry émigrés, to help them verify the credentials of their prospective spouses and their families, take proper legal precautions and seek help if things go wrong. "More such cases are being reported since we started disseminating information about the scheme," says Sandhya Shukla, director of social services at MOIA. Despite impressive economic growth over the past decade, some 450,000 Indians emigrate to other countries to find work every year, while thousands more go illegally. "For some, going abroad is about seeking better opportunities and social mobility," says Rainuka Dagar, senior research fellow at the Chandigarh-based Institute for Development and Communication, "But for many, it is about status. It is a symbol of pride to have a member of the family living and earning abroad." In many communities, "marriage to an NRI is considered a status symbol as it gets the entire family a chance to go abroad," says Santosh Singh, chairperson of the government-affiliated Family Counseling Centre in Chandigarh. Most of these unions, without doubt, are successful ones. But some overseas marriages can be problematic. At a MOIA conference on the issue in February, Girija Vyas, chairperson of India's National Commission for Women, noted that brides going abroad can suffer from culture shock if they have had no prior exposure to the West. Their overseas-raised spouses, meanwhile, can find themselves pressured into a traditional marriage by émigré parents. The combination can result in loveless, incompatible relationships and eventually, divorce. The worst cases, however, are those "where NRI men come to India seeking either huge dowries or 'holiday wives,'" says Singh. "If they abandon their brides and return to their adoptive countries, the brides and their families, living in a culture of patriarchy and keen to preserve their honor, often do not approach the authorities. And even if they do, there are limited legal options before them." Government agencies and NGOs are working to change that. The National Commission for Women has demanded that the government make it compulsory to register all marriages, which will provide women a more solid legal standing. Meanwhile, activist groups are lobbying for changes in the law to criminalize the suppression of information about previous marriages, and urging the government to sign agreements with other countries to make marital fraud an extraditable offense. In Punjab, where many families have at least one member working abroad, the left-leaning Lok Bhalai Party has made the plight of abandoned spouses a campaign issue. But for Sharma, these efforts are still too little, too late. "One odd change of law will not make a difference," she says. "Cases like mine will keep happening until women's status in society improves. And that will be a slow and long process." ___ Peter-Rhaina Gwokto Remember: "LRA leader Joseph Kony is named in 12 counts for crimes against humanity and 21 counts for war crimes. His deputy, Otti, is named in 11 counts for crimes against humanity and 21 counts for war crimes. Alleged crimes include rape, murder, enslavement, sexual enslavement and forced enlisting of children". ICC mu
