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uths but also
adult education. More over, emphasizes not only education for all but
QUALITATIVE EDUCATION FOR ALL.
The streets & verandas of Gulu are full of those categories. WHERE IS THE
MONEY FOR THOSE PURPOSES GOING?
What "qualitative" education is there?
The Ugandan government has perhaps gone a good way along and become
exemplary. But how about these militias, do they not need education?
In other parts of Uganda perhaps, but in Acoli the children and youths who
could be recruited into the militia are the very same ones who are I need
of education and childcare as stipulated in the UNESCO declarations. So bad
is the demography!
What is the program for the rehabilitation of these militias after the war?
I would prefer that the Acoli (who already form a remarkable majority in
the UPDF), be shifted over to whichever command this militia thing falls
under. Our youths are already so dogged by "misfortune".
That is why ordinarily, I too do not as per the same principle, support the
militia ala "Rhinos / Amuka & Arrow" in their present attires. But, well
transformed into a workable and sustainable structure (training,
demarcation of mandate and jurisdiction, resource sharing, accountability,
delegation, compensation etc.,), I would not be iron legged in principle
(all is relative). Right now there is inflation of apprehensions (quite
correctly). Many people fear that these youths will just be conscripted and
sent to the front line without adequate training and without proper
compensation and sharing of the military resources Uganda has.
I do not know about that, and, the responsible authorities are not making
things any easier by not spelling it out.
Looked at it from another vantage point, I would like to think that this is
perhaps the beginning of the politics of regional participation, which
indeed is the corner stone of democracy. But as said, all depends on how it
is handled or managed for continuation and development
("structural-functionalism").
As I said, perhaps one other way of looking at it also is through the
Federo-Back door perspective.
Ladit Mitayo raised serious question:
"...But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all
after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7?..."
My humble answer is that it is because our "leaders" still come from among
us. We are not democratic beings. We have not succeeded in creating our
DEMOCRATIC GENERATION (in whom democracy is innate). Actually it is only
natural that things are the way they are in Uganda or the entire Third
World. Look around you. You won't miss to see the fact that the phrase
"RULING THE PEOPLE" or "LEADING THE PEOPLE" i.e., leadership or ruler ship
diverge in meanings in contrast with their counterparts in the European or
Western world.
IN AFRICA our kwasi politicians with their kwasi ideologies RULE THE
PEOPLE. In the western democracies WE RULE IDEAS (idea management that is
also called ruling or leading people). All interests sell their ideas to
the people for the people to buy. If the people like it, the stay. If they
choose to like another "idea-bid" that one gets the chance to anchor his /
her visions. Here there is no room for thumb-sucker nostalgia ala ONCE A
CHAMP ALWAYS A CHAMP! Or once good always good! That is why there is not so
much development: our own rule people instead of ideas.
Under prevalent structure or lack of (as I still do not know what these
Amuka and Arrow militias are about), I look at it with cautious reservation
and skepticism.
By the way, what was it about Otti Lagony´s the three wives fleeing to
Uganda? Was it true? Could some good soul with better insight update me? Or
are they so privileged that they could be released to come and "fresh-up"?
Appoprå Lagony, does he by any chance relate to the notorious LRA´s Otti
Lagony?
I smell a rat!
Rgds
Noc´l
From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Brother "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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>I hear your cry.
>
>I have always opposed this militarism in solving our country's
>affairs.
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>I start from the so-called 'liberation war' to help the poor
>helpless Ugandans against Idi Amin.
>
>The 1980 elections were a cruel charade, but still I opposed Luwero
>and the executioners of that so-called struggle against Obote.
>
>Now we have this holocaust in the Northern half of our country.
>
>But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all
>after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7?
>
>I have always said that if you want to fight Amin
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Brother "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I hear your cry. I have always opposed this militarism in solving our country's affairs. I start from the so-called 'liberation war' to help the poor helpless Ugandans against Idi Amin. The 1980 elections were a cruel charade, but still I opposed Luwero and the executioners of that so-called struggle against Obote. Now we have this holocaust in the Northern half of our country. But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7? I have always said that if you want to fight Amin, arrange to shoot him and spare the poor innocent Ugandan. If you want to fight Obote and you feel you are really a man go and way-lay Obote with a bomb instead of killing a million innocents in Luwero. And if you want to fight Museveni then prepare for an air-tight assassination plan but spare the innocent people of Acholi. Instead some have castigated me and reminded me that they are proud of their struggles, whether in reference to Idi Amin or Obote etc Dont get me wrong I am not a pacifist at all costs. If Uganda as a nation is imperiled I would be the first one to pick up the gun. But my contention is that Amin, Obote, Museveni are just proxys for the real enemy. Instead of killing a million Acholis why not shoot ithe ambassodor of imperialism? Afterall whose machinations to impose each of Amin, Obote and Museveni? Ever since 1962, the blood of innocent Ugandans is being spilled, mayhem and incalculable pain has been visited on the helpless and we dont seem to have a clue about as to put an end to it all, and take the destiny of our country in our hands. Even federo will not help even the hardcore Bagandaists. How can you build a federo with a Kabaka who was put in place not by Baganda but by British machinationations (the throne - Namulondo was bought by Mitubitshi Corporation. Mitubitshi is a sub-contractor of Betchel ). It is all a cruel circus if you asked me. Mitayo Potosi From: "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:44:28 + Unfortunately, Matek, the art and science of this TRAGEDY (NOT WAR) are that of "walking a tight rope" character. And, more sadly so, it is permeated with PARTY political biasing. The situation is that Their Satanic Vampires are not fighting the NRM. Must you always refuse to see situations from the sufferers point of view, how stubborn can a human being be, actually?! Who feels it knows it! Why do you not come with something new? Something tenable? This one ( Let the NRM/UPDF/ NRA fight its wars...), is not good enough! It is the same old proven shit from 1986; what you are suggesting, is what my people have been doing for the last 17 (!) years. Faced with the reality of un provided security, secularization, sufferance, destitution, annihilation, they are just saying they wont be doomsday bound. I do not know if you have ever been fighting or fought in your childhood (I have never been the cruel type neither), but I do not recall that in the course of FIGHTING / wrestling with OPONENTS we did banged some passer-by or anyone elses face and bragged that we have fought our opponent. Is that what you call fighting? Matek, you are a politician and a member of the UPCs so called PPC. We commonality depend on your sense of balance, epoch-making mood and leadership. You are not supposed to come with void sweeping statements at critical times like this. THE SITUATIONS HERE ARE: 1) THE LRAs INTENSIFIED BRUTALITY AND MAXIUM CRUELTY on innocent Ugandan commonality. 2) UNPROVIDED SECURITY AND STATE PROTECTION 3) UGANDAN WHO HAVE GUTTED UP TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and, who are conditioned by de facto state of affairs to act in defence of their brothers, sisters and their motherland. THE ISSUE HERE IS: How do we go about it? HOW DO WE FACE THIS REALITY? That is what you politicians are supposed to be solving now. Not twiddling here and there. We are in a situation where the UPDF does not provide enough security guarantees for the Upcountry populace and the people NO LONGER want to be massacred passively. So, if the Ugandan government (rd. NRM regime and the UPDF) refuses or fails to comply with the constitution of the country and, the LRA continues to kill defenceless civilians instead of fighting the UPDF, you (rd. the UPC) recommends that the people do nothing while simultaneously you POLITICIANS (UPC AND OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES) are doing nothing to halt the killings?? Why do you not provide a concise account of the alternative so that we commonality can see the tenability in it for my people to see that indeed the LRA will stop maiming and abducting innocent Acoli and start fighting the UPD
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Title: Unfortunately, Matek, art and science of this crisis (NOT WAR) are that of "walking a tight rope" character Unfortunately, Matek, art and science of this TRAGEDY (NOT WAR) are that of "walking a tight rope" character. And, more sadly so, it is permeated with PARTY political biasing. The situation is that Their Satanic Vampires are not fighting the NRM. Must you always refuse to see situations from the sufferer’s point of view, how stubborn can a human being be, actually?! Who feels it knows it! Why do you not come with something new? Something tenable? This one (”… Let the NRM/UPDF/ NRA fight its wars...”), is not good enough! It is the same old proven shit from 1986; what you are suggesting, is what my people have been doing for the last 17 (!) years. Faced with the reality of un provided security, secularization, sufferance, destitution, annihilation, they are just saying they won’t be doomsday bound. I do not know if you have ever been fighting or fought in your childhood (I have never been the cruel type neither), but I do not recall that in the course of FIGHTING / wrestling with OPONENTS we did banged some passer-by or anyone else’s face and bragged that we have fought our opponent. Is that what you call fighting? Matek, you are a politician and a member of the UPCs so called PPC. We commonality depend on your sense of balance, epoch-making mood and leadership. You are not supposed to come with void sweeping statements at critical times like this. THE SITUATIONS HERE ARE: 1) THE LRAs INTENSIFIED BRUTALITY AND MAXIUM CRUELTY on innocent Ugandan commonality. 2) UNPROVIDED SECURITY AND STATE PROTECTION 3) UGANDAN WHO HAVE GUTTED UP TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and, who are conditioned by de facto state of affairs to act in defence of their brothers, sisters and their motherland. THE ISSUE HERE IS: How do we go about it? HOW DO WE FACE THIS REALITY? That is what you politicians are supposed to be solving now. Not twiddling here and there. We are in a situation where the UPDF does not provide enough security guarantees for the “Upcountry populace” and the people NO LONGER want to be massacred passively. So, if the Ugandan government (rd. NRM regime and the UPDF) refuses or fails to comply with the constitution of the country and, the LRA continues to kill defenceless civilians instead of fighting the UPDF, you (rd. the UPC) recommends that the people do nothing while simultaneously you POLITICIANS (UPC AND OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES) are doing nothing to halt the killings?? Why do you not provide a concise account of the alternative so that we commonality can see the tenability in it for my people to see that indeed the LRA will stop maiming and abducting innocent Acoli and start fighting the UPDF instead? Assuming the situation is such that the UPDF does not want to fight. And that fight or no fight the regime will rule on (their mandate through). And the LRA is killing innocent people now. You as a politician, what is your advice to the people? Rgds Noc´l
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Just out of curiosity Why didn't Uganda Government send civilians to fight when the Batooros were attacking the Bakiga? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: [Ugandacom] Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals Fellow citizens:Moses Ali and his boss Yoweri Museveni should NOT encourage Ugandan Civilians ( either in Northern or Eastern Uganda) to fight in NRM's wars. What will happen if civilians response to the NRM call to fight KONY REBELS . Naturally "KONY REBELS " ( who ever they are ) are going to respond by targeting civilians and civilian institutions such as schools ( as has happen in Eweru's village!!!) Let the NRM/UPDF/NRA fight it's wars... spare yourselves fellow citizens!!MK Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals New Vision (Kampala)August 25, 2003 Posted to the web August 25, 2003 Kampala THE First deputy Prime minister, Lt. Gen Moses Ali, has urged Ugandans to be patriotic and defend the country against rebellion, reports Richard Komakech.Ali, who is also the Minister for Disaster Preparedness, said rebellion retards development.He appealed to Ugandans to show solidarity with troubled regions and develop self-defence mechanisms to supplement the army.The minister was on Friday addressing over 200 delegates at an international seminar of the Interreligious and International Federation for World Peace (IIFWP), in Kampala.He commended Teso and its Arrow Group for flushing out Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army rebels, from the area. Ali is the IIFWP chairman in Uganda.Ali said it was unfortunate that the Gulu Archbishop labelled the group suicidal, adding the army would stick to its in efforts in fighting the rebels."I think the Archbishop was going beyond his responsibility to say people who have decided to defend themselves are dangerous. Let them do what they feel is right to them," Ali said."We all know that government forces can't be everywhere, so these the Iteso turned to the last resort by defending themselves," Ali said.Cardinal Emmanuel Wamala said people should advocate for peace and practice tolerance to avoid conflict.=00="The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
ugnet_: Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals
Fellow citizens: Moses Ali and his boss Yoweri Museveni should NOT encourage Ugandan Civilians ( either in Northern or Eastern Uganda) to fight in NRM's wars. What will happen if civilians response to the NRM call to fight KONY REBELS . Naturally "KONY REBELS " ( who ever they are ) are going to respond by targeting civilians and civilian institutions such as schools ( as has happen in Eweru's village!!!) Let the NRM/UPDF/NRA fight it's wars... spare yourselves fellow citizens!! MK Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals New Vision (Kampala)August 25, 2003 Posted to the web August 25, 2003 Kampala THE First deputy Prime minister, Lt. Gen Moses Ali, has urged Ugandans to be patriotic and defend the country against rebellion, reports Richard Komakech.Ali, who is also the Minister for Disaster Preparedness, said rebellion retards development.He appealed to Ugandans to show solidarity with troubled regions and develop self-defence mechanisms to supplement the army. The minister was on Friday addressing over 200 delegates at an international seminar of the Interreligious and International Federation for World Peace (IIFWP), in Kampala.He commended Teso and its Arrow Group for flushing out Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army rebels, from the area. Ali is the IIFWP chairman in Uganda. Ali said it was unfortunate that the Gulu Archbishop labelled the group suicidal, adding the army would stick to its in efforts in fighting the rebels."I think the Archbishop was going beyond his responsibility to say people who have decided to defend themselves are dangerous. Let them do what they feel is right to them," Ali said."We all know that government forces can't be everywhere, so these the Iteso turned to the last resort by defending themselves," Ali said.Cardinal Emmanuel Wamala said people should advocate for peace and practice tolerance to avoid conflict. =00= "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
