Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Martin Hannigan]

Seriously? If you aren't at risk of getting mugged in your data hood you're 
paying too much.  



> On Mar 24, 2015, at 19:11, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> The most important is to get technology companies to locate there. Quality of 
> life, last mile connectivity, affordable rents, quick access to London, and 
> tax advantages. Technology companes congregate together like any tribe.
> 
> Roderick Beck
> Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
> Hibernia Networks
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> 36-30-859-5144
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Jon Morby (FidoNet)]

The IX is secondary (and I don’t anticipate a fast start or a lot of traffic, 
especially not when comparing to other regional IXs).

The DX is the primary driver to help kickstart tech businesses and give them a 
central focal point for innovation / etc … this is one small part of a much 
larger initiative

The distinct lack of high speed internet has been a problem for a long time, 
the quality of life is there but the last mile is awful and not “fit for 
business” use

FTTC is starting to appear but too little too late … hopefully the BDX will act 
as catalyst, mixed in with other initiatives, to help tech companies start and 
to grow whist not being dependent on London for the basics.

I guess we’ll measure the success as to whether or not the BDX is still going 
in 3 years time as whilst it is a co-operative, it does have to be self funding 
so we need members to join either the IX or the DX or both



J


> On 24 Mar 2015, at 23:00, Neil J. McRae  wrote:
> 
> Jon
> Can't help but think that an IX is going to offer very limited benefit in 
> turning Brighton into a digital centre. They would be far better investing 
> the money into tech literacy efforts. How are they measuring success? 
> 
> Regards, 
> Neil 

Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Rod Beck]

The most important is to get technology companies to locate there. Quality of 
life, last mile connectivity, affordable rents, quick access to London, and tax 
advantages. Technology companes congregate together like any tribe.

Roderick Beck
Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
Hibernia Networks
http://www.hibernianetworks.com
Budapest and New York
36-30-859-5144
rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com

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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Neil J. McRae]

Jon
Can't help but think that an IX is going to offer very limited benefit in 
turning Brighton into a digital centre. They would be far better investing the 
money into tech literacy efforts. How are they measuring success? 

Regards, 
Neil 

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:20, Jon Morby (FidoNet)  wrote:
> 
> Hi Roderick
> 
> I’m not sure about Bristol (although there is IX Cardiff)
> 
> The Brighton Digital Exchange (and IX Brighton) is on the South Coast 
> 
> AS 44488
> 
> There’s a small data centre and a carrier neutral exchange opening as part of 
> the UK Government’s initiative to turn Brighton into a Digital Catapult city
> 
> References
> 
> http://www.digitalcatapultcentre.org.uk/
> http://bdx.coop/
> http://ixbrighton.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:04, Rod Beck  wrote:
>> 
>> Bristol Digital exchange is a new peering point?
>> 
>> Roderick Beck
>> Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
>> Hibernia Networks
>> http://www.hibernianetworks.com
>> Budapest and New York
>> 36-30-859-5144
>> rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Martin Hannigan]

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Jon Morby (FidoNet)  wrote:

>
>
> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:40, Rod Beck  wrote:
>
> Let me display my ignorance. When I left telecom in 2011, most regions
> outside of London metro were expensive except for a few beaten down routes
> like London - Manchester which are as low as 1.000 GDP per month at the 10
> GigE level.
>
>
> This hasn't changed a great deal - no
>
>
> Has that changed? What would a 10 GigE wave cost from Brigton to London?
>
>
> If you can find out please do let me know.  I might be interested :)
>
> Nearly everyone I've spoken to either doesn't have capacity, won't sell
> the fabric or wants to charge silly money ...
>
> The BDX is the first step towards making this more viable ... and we've
> managed to get some connectivity in for backhaul ... this is of course a
> regional IX rather than an extension of a London vPoP (at this stage at
> least)
>
> The site opens officially at the end of May
>


Great -- any idea of who will be connecting so we can do traffic estimates?

https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=985

Thanks!

-M<








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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Jon Morby (FidoNet)]

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:40, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> Let me display my ignorance. When I left telecom in 2011, most regions 
> outside of London metro were expensive except for a few beaten down routes 
> like London - Manchester which are as low as 1.000 GDP per month at the 10 
> GigE level.

This hasn’t changed a great deal - no

> 
> Has that changed? What would a 10 GigE wave cost from Brigton to London?

If you can find out please do let me know.  I might be interested :)

Nearly everyone I’ve spoken to either doesn’t have capacity, won’t sell the 
fabric or wants to charge silly money … 

The BDX is the first step towards making this more viable … and we’ve managed 
to get some connectivity in for backhaul … this is of course a regional IX 
rather than an extension of a London vPoP (at this stage at least)

The site opens officially at the end of May 

Jon



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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Joshua McQuistan]

Has the IXBrighton fees page just changed?

I swear 5 minutes ago it was showing 1, 10 and 100GE ports with pricing. 
I can't remember exactly it was around 10,500 /year.


On 24/03/15 21:40, Rod Beck wrote:

Let me display my ignorance. When I left telecom in 2011, most regions outside 
of London metro were expensive except for a few beaten down routes like London 
- Manchester which are as low as 1.000 GDP per month at the 10 GigE level.

Has that changed? What would a 10 GigE wave cost from Brigton to London?

Roderick Beck
Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
Hibernia Networks
http://www.hibernianetworks.com
Budapest and New York
36-30-859-5144
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Martin Hannigan]

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Jon Morby (FidoNet)  wrote:

>
> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:30, Martin Hannigan  wrote:
>
>
>
> Is this a mutually beneficial exchange e.g. non profit? The fee structure
> appears 4x nearest IX. That might be a challenge.
>
>
> The IX pricing isn't cast in stone yet 
>

Great.


> I'm pretty sure the first year (at least) will be free anyway and
> subsequent years fees will be heavily guided by the membership
>

That has proven to be beneficial at least for year one. It's also proven to
be beneficial to advertise what the year two prices may be targeted for,
especially after community elections occur (which "should" be a priority).

Trust is everything.



>
> The whole IX / BDX is a mutual / CoOp arrangement - yes
>
>
Awesome. My employer likes participating in these when conditions are
right. /watchlist

Best,

-M<






>
> Thanks,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Jon Morby (FidoNet)  wrote:
>
>> Hi Roderick
>>
>> I'm not sure about Bristol (although there is IX Cardiff)
>>
>> The Brighton Digital Exchange (and IX Brighton) is on the South Coast
>>
>> AS 44488
>>
>> There's a small data centre and a carrier neutral exchange opening as
>> part of the UK Government's initiative to turn Brighton into a Digital
>> Catapult city
>>
>> References
>>
>> http://www.digitalcatapultcentre.org.uk/
>> http://bdx.coop/
>> http://ixbrighton.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:04, Rod Beck 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Bristol Digital exchange is a new peering point?
>> >
>> > Roderick Beck
>> > Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
>> > Hibernia Networks
>> > http://www.hibernianetworks.com
>> > Budapest and New York
>> > 36-30-859-5144
>> > rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Rod Beck]

Let me display my ignorance. When I left telecom in 2011, most regions outside 
of London metro were expensive except for a few beaten down routes like London 
- Manchester which are as low as 1.000 GDP per month at the 10 GigE level.

Has that changed? What would a 10 GigE wave cost from Brigton to London?

Roderick Beck
Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
Hibernia Networks
http://www.hibernianetworks.com
Budapest and New York
36-30-859-5144
rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Jon Morby (FidoNet)]

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:30, Martin Hannigan  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Is this a mutually beneficial exchange e.g. non profit? The fee structure 
> appears 4x nearest IX. That might be a challenge.

The IX pricing isn’t cast in stone yet …. 

I’m pretty sure the first year (at least) will be free anyway and subsequent 
years fees will be heavily guided by the membership

The whole IX / BDX is a mutual / CoOp arrangement - yes

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -M<
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Jon Morby (FidoNet)  > wrote:
> Hi Roderick
> 
> I’m not sure about Bristol (although there is IX Cardiff)
> 
> The Brighton Digital Exchange (and IX Brighton) is on the South Coast
> 
> AS 44488
> 
> There’s a small data centre and a carrier neutral exchange opening as part of 
> the UK Government’s initiative to turn Brighton into a Digital Catapult city
> 
> References
> 
> http://www.digitalcatapultcentre.org.uk/ 
> 
> http://bdx.coop/ 
> http://ixbrighton.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:04, Rod Beck  > > wrote:
> >
> > Bristol Digital exchange is a new peering point?
> >
> > Roderick Beck
> > Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
> > Hibernia Networks
> > http://www.hibernianetworks.com 
> > Budapest and New York
> > 36-30-859-5144
> > rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com 
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Martin Hannigan]

Is this a mutually beneficial exchange e.g. non profit? The fee structure
appears 4x nearest IX. That might be a challenge.

Thanks,

-M<




On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Jon Morby (FidoNet)  wrote:

> Hi Roderick
>
> I'm not sure about Bristol (although there is IX Cardiff)
>
> The Brighton Digital Exchange (and IX Brighton) is on the South Coast
>
> AS 44488
>
> There's a small data centre and a carrier neutral exchange opening as part
> of the UK Government's initiative to turn Brighton into a Digital Catapult
> city
>
> References
>
> http://www.digitalcatapultcentre.org.uk/
> http://bdx.coop/
> http://ixbrighton.com/
>
>
>
> > On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:04, Rod Beck 
> wrote:
> >
> > Bristol Digital exchange is a new peering point?
> >
> > Roderick Beck
> > Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
> > Hibernia Networks
> > http://www.hibernianetworks.com
> > Budapest and New York
> > 36-30-859-5144
> > rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
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>

Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Jon Morby (FidoNet)]

Hi Roderick

I’m not sure about Bristol (although there is IX Cardiff)

The Brighton Digital Exchange (and IX Brighton) is on the South Coast 

AS 44488

There’s a small data centre and a carrier neutral exchange opening as part of 
the UK Government’s initiative to turn Brighton into a Digital Catapult city

References

http://www.digitalcatapultcentre.org.uk/
http://bdx.coop/
http://ixbrighton.com/



> On 24 Mar 2015, at 21:04, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> Bristol Digital exchange is a new peering point?
> 
> Roderick Beck
> Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
> Hibernia Networks
> http://www.hibernianetworks.com
> Budapest and New York
> 36-30-859-5144
> rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com
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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Rod Beck]

Bristol Digital exchange is a new peering point?


Roderick Beck
Sales Director/Europe and the Americas
Hibernia Networks
http://www.hibernianetworks.com
Budapest and New York
36-30-859-5144
rod.b...@hibernianetworks.com

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Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Jon Morby (Fido)]

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 07:48, Paul Mansfield  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been very happy with fidonet, and you'll find Jon Morby is active on 
> this list. Customer service is very responsive any time day or night.
> 
> I can usually max out my fttc line (36/5 M) any time day and night, so 
> there's no slowdowns during peak times.
> As a result get excellent Netflix or iPlayer, virtually never see buffering 
> or H.A.S. reduce the quality
> 
> Native ipv6, static v4, uncapped, unfiltered, unshaped.
> 
> Price isn't too bad for 200 GB a month.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Paul!

Have been watching this thread but trying to avoid blowing my own trumpet :)

I'm not as active on the list as I used to be but still lurking ... Currently 
busy trying to get the new Brighton Digital Exchange off the ground (shameless 
plug :)

Jon

Re: [uknof] The operator's operator

[Paul Mansfield]

I've been very happy with fidonet, and you'll find Jon Morby is active on
this list. Customer service is very responsive any time day or night.

I can usually max out my fttc line (36/5 M) any time day and night, so
there's no slowdowns during peak times.
As a result get excellent Netflix or iPlayer, virtually never see buffering
or H.A.S. reduce the quality

Native ipv6, static v4, uncapped, unfiltered, unshaped.

Price isn't too bad for 200 GB a month.