Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
LDML does require the Olson IDs to identify time zones (as does Unix, Java, ICU,...). See the discussion in http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/. Mark __ http://www.macchiato.com â à â - Original Message - From: "Frank Yung-Fong Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Fri, 2004 Apr 23 08:51 Subject: OT: Standardize TimeZone ID Is there any standard effort try to standardize Time Zone ID? I am not talking about the Time Zone which refer to a particular time (that could be done by GMT offset or addressed by ISO 8601) itself, but rather talking about an id refer to a particular time zone/ day light saving time rule. I know the de factor standard around is the one in "ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tz"; . Probably people also use the timezone value get back from Java a lot. I think a standard (maybe just adopt the one "ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tz"; and cleary specify it in RFC) for Timezone ID is important for the future common locale data repository as well as web services i18n. I know this is a little bit off-topic for Unicode, just like the one about locale. Maybe I should move this to w3c i18n mailling list.
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
At 05:04 PM 4/24/2004, Mark Davis quoted a message by Frank: I know this is a little bit off-topic for Unicode, just like the one about locale. Maybe I should move this to w3c i18n mailling list Now that the common locale data repository is hosted by The Unicode Consortium, it may no longer be as off-topic as you think A./
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
If the officers believw that rather than the UTC that a new committee is needed to "govern" the repository, then it stands to reason that the Unicode List is the wrong place for locales a separate list for discussions related to that standard is the most sensible approach. MichKa [MS] NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Development Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies - Original Message - From: "Asmus Freytag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Frank Yung-Fong Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Standardize TimeZone ID > At 05:04 PM 4/24/2004, Mark Davis quoted a message by Frank: > >I know this is a little bit off-topic for Unicode, just like the one > >about locale. Maybe I should move this to w3c i18n mailling list > > Now that the common locale data repository is hosted by The Unicode > Consortium, it may no longer be as off-topic as you think > > A./ > > > >
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
I would appreciate it if there were a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for these discussions. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
Speaking of the Olson time zone data, is it just me or has the site ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tz been out of commission for the past few days? Now that it's a normative part of LDML and all, I'd like to update my copy to something newer than 2002. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
Michael Everson wrote: > I would appreciate it if there were a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for > these discussions. There is, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I apologize for burdening this list with my question. I subscribed to the CLDR list the day it was announced, but so far have not received any postings from it. Maybe mine will be the first. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
At 19:37 -0700 2004-04-24, Doug Ewell wrote: Michael Everson wrote: I would appreciate it if there were a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for these discussions. There is, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I apologize for burdening this list with my question. Boy it would be really sensible for that to be locale@ rather than cldr@ -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
At 07:59 PM 4/24/2004, Michael Everson wrote: At 19:37 -0700 2004-04-24, Doug Ewell wrote: Michael Everson wrote: I would appreciate it if there were a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for these discussions. There is, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I apologize for burdening this list with my question. Boy it would be really sensible for that to be locale@ rather than cldr@ As it stands [EMAIL PROTECTED],org is intended to be the list for members of the LTC. For technical discussions among the committee members that's indeed the correct alias. There's a corresponding alias for UTC business, also open to members. It was felt not necessary to have two *public* lists. A./ -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
At 20:59 -0700 2004-04-24, Asmus Freytag wrote: As it stands [EMAIL PROTECTED],org is intended to be the list for members of the LTC. For technical discussions among the committee members that's indeed the correct alias. There's a corresponding alias for UTC business, also open to members. It was felt not necessary to have two *public* lists. I feel it is necessary to thread the items. Already the volume has increased. Character set is a different thing from locales. Please take this on board. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
There is a different committee mailing list than the one for the UTC. However, for the public [EMAIL PROTECTED] list it didn't seem worth having separate public list yet. (After all, much of the material on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is general globalization discussion -- and often even pretty far off that topic :-) However, what we agreed is that we would monitor the situation and if it looked like there was enough traffic to warrent making a separate public list, we would. Mark __ http://www.macchiato.com â à â - Original Message - From: "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Frank Yung-Fong Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Asmus Freytag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sat, 2004 Apr 24 18:29 Subject: Re: Standardize TimeZone ID > If the officers believw that rather than the UTC that a new committee is > needed to "govern" the repository, then it stands to reason that the Unicode > List is the wrong place for locales a separate list for discussions > related to that standard is the most sensible approach. > > MichKa [MS] > NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Development > Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies > > - Original Message - > From: "Asmus Freytag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mark Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Frank Yung-Fong Tang" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: Standardize TimeZone ID > > > > At 05:04 PM 4/24/2004, Mark Davis quoted a message by Frank: > > >I know this is a little bit off-topic for Unicode, just like the one > > >about locale. Maybe I should move this to w3c i18n mailling list > > > > Now that the common locale data repository is hosted by The Unicode > > Consortium, it may no longer be as off-topic as you think > > > > A./ > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
At 08:49 -0700 2004-04-25, Mark Davis wrote: There is a different committee mailing list than the one for the UTC. However, for the public [EMAIL PROTECTED] list it didn't seem worth having separate public list yet. (After all, much of the material on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is general globalization discussion -- and often even pretty far off that topic :-) I do not want to have to argue the merits of Breton or Irish month names on the Unicode list. And that's what locale-building is about. The Unicode list should be for discussion of encoding characters and processing them. There should be a locale list for discussion of all the language tags, country tags, and other locale baggage. Please, Mark. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 08:49 -0700 2004-04-25, Mark Davis wrote: > >There is a different committee mailing list than the one for the UTC. However, > >for the public [EMAIL PROTECTED] list it didn't seem worth having separate > >public list yet. (After all, much of the material on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is > >general globalization discussion -- and often even pretty far off > >that topic :-) > > I do not want to have to argue the merits of Breton or Irish month > names on the Unicode list. And that's what locale-building is about. > The Unicode list should be for discussion of encoding characters and > processing them. There should be a locale list for discussion of all > the language tags, country tags, and other locale baggage. > > Please, Mark. I find myself in the [rare? ] position of agreeing with Michael Everson wholeheartedly. Seems like those who want to combine them in a huge mishmosh can simply belong to both lists, right? MichKa
Re: Standardize TimeZone ID
At 09:30 -0700 2004-04-25, Michael \(michka\) Kaplan wrote: I find myself in the [rare? ] position of agreeing with Michael Everson wholeheartedly. (*embraces MichKa*) Seems like those who want to combine them in a huge mishmosh can simply belong to both lists, right? Even I might want to belong to both lists. But I need to thread these topics into different boxes, and that is best done by having unicode@ and locales@ as two different lists. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
