RE: [UC] election night stress buster - only the boyz do this
Title: Message Simple. Idiot Son Of An Asshole lyrics He's not smart, a C studentAnd that's after buying his way into schoolBeady eyes, and he's kinda dyslexicCan he read? No one's really quite sureHe signs stuff and he executes peopleMaybe that's why, he doesn't have any friendsCocaine and a little drunk drivingDoesn't matter, when you're the Commander in Chief.Idiot son of an assholeHe's the idiot son of an assholeIdiot son of an assholeHe's the idiot son of an assholePut on some make-up, turn on the 8-Track,I'm putting a week back on the shelf,Suddenly I'm the President, of the United States,But they I woke up, and realized I'm still me. He's too dumb, to eat pretzels, apparently smart enough to fix an election.Moved boldly into the White House,but most people voted against him.He likes naps, He's good at naptime, A couple of naps and then a nap and then he's ready for bed,He may be from Bush decent, He's always gonna be unpresidentIdiot son of an assholeHe's the idiot son of an assholeIdiot son of an assholeHe's the idiot son of an assholeIdiot son of an assholeHe's the idiot son of an assholeHe's our president! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de SotoSent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listservSubject: Re: [UC] election night stress buster - only the boyz do thisSo why???If he was the first-born son of the Bush Dynasty AND the namesake of his father, George H.W Bush why did G.H.W. Bush pass over him and Jeb and elevated the last son Neil Bush?Neil was apparently the best choice. However, he got involved in the Savings and Loan debacle during his fathers Presidency which we are STILL paying for.Jeb was touted out next but was not to be Heir apparent like Neil.Finally, George E.was made Governor of Texas in 1994! He was elected (or so some say) President in 2000.Why wasnt he first as he should have been as the first-born son and his fathers namesake?On 11/2/04 2:05 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/2/2004 12:22:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I though us Dems just smoked a lot of pot and did hallucinogens. It was the Republican frat-boy types that drank a lot and snorted a ton of blow. It was more a function of where your parents spent their money to house you away from home for four years. Believe it or not there are people in this country who truly believe the opposite is true. I mean, that's what W did, right?I hear, he was so F'ed up, he had no recollection of what he did. Maybe that explains the missing years in the TX ANG.
Re: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery
An interesting post for a number of reasons. This really shows another angle on well wishing, being supportive and caring. While all the rationales for criticism of the posted news were laid out, and I appreciate the chance to be sensitized, it seems harsh to be so dismissive of the unknown poster's intent. Wasn't he trying to be helpful in letting those who are concerned about you know that you are doing well? Apparently he screwed up, but is your response really completely on target regardless of good intentions? Although you don't say so, there is a strong suggestion that you'd rather be left alone. To avoid causing all these problems for a patient, should we stand back and wait? Send a card maybe, but don't call and definitely don't visit. I'll call you or invite you if I want to put up with the hassle. Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way? Do any patients welcome the healing power of friends and love over the hassle of not being able to rest more? Finally, why do all these concerns not apply if you just had a baby or are dying? Does the new mother, with her wholly dependent baby, not need the rest of the guy after surgery? Are burglars more respectful of the dying, not to mention the identity thieves? In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On September 13th, the following two paragraphs were posted on the UC list: At the PSFS meeting this weekend, it was announced that long-time SF fan and UnivCity resident Dave Axler had bypass surgery recently. Since I've run into many local residents who knew Dave, but did not know about this, here's some info. According to a posting on smofs*, he's at Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital in Boston Massachusetts, and he's recovering well from bypass surgery. He'll be staying at the hospital a few more days, and then staying at an adjacent hotel for about a week while his doctors monitor his condition before he returns home. *[For those who don't know, smofs is a small-circulation moderated discussion list for the organizers of science fiction conventions] I've been debating about the appropriate response to this posting, which had me as its subject. To be blunt, it should never have been made. Regardless of the intentions of the poster, the end result was that it caused me some problems that should have never occurred, and added new, unnecessary stress to an experience that was already extremely stressful. I considered just responding to the poster, off-list. But, after discussing this with a number of close friends who have gone through similar hospital experiences, it's become clear that some folks out there just don't have a clue how to deal with other peoples' medical situations. So, in the hopes that I can spare someone else in the future a bit of the aggravation that I experienced, I'm going to respond here on the list. (It's a somewhat belated response, but that won't affect its accuracy.) Let me start with some basics. While these are generalizations, my conversations with others suggest that they're true for pretty much any extended hospital stay, with two possible exceptions: women delivering babies (where congratulatory phone calls are rather common) and those patients who go into the hospital expecting to die. To start with, one of the first things that hospitals require when you arrive and check in is to provide them with the name and phone of a contact person. Primarily, that is to ensure that there is someone who can make critical decisions while you're unconscious or otherwise incapacitated. In addition, that person is also the patient's spokesperson. If someone calls the hospital and asks for a patient at a time when the patient is in the operating theatre, the ICU, or otherwise incommunicado, the hospital can direct the caller to the spokesperson. [In my particular case, because I was in an out-of-town hospital, I actually had more than one contact person. There was one relative who was local to the hospital, a second -- my brother -- who had the medical decision-making job, and a small collective here in Philly that was taking care of my cats and house during my absence.] Typically, the contact person also takes on the job of notifying selected friends and family about the patient's status. The key word there is selected. Unless one is a major public figure (e.g., Bill Clinton, who had his bypass two days before mine), there really is no need for everyone in the world to get regular updates. My contact people worked together to keep my family and close personal friends updated on my status and recovery via email. The list of people they notified was something they reviewed with me prior to surgery. It deliberately did not include any of the local Philly mailing lists such as this one, but did include some limited-circulation mailing lists in the science fiction world, simply because I had
[UC] Bush Victory
The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds weve made for ourselves. Naomi on 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop 3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.blackcatshop.com
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Hillary in 2008! :) - Original Message - From: Naomi To: Jonathan Cass ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds weve made for ourselves. Naomion 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with themess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyoccur on his watch.I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeCourt.I think I am going to puke.Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until11/05/2004.I will reply to your email upon my return.Thanks.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? Oh, come off it. Why is it that liberals always talk about moving to Canada when elections go horribly wrong? When you really think about it, doesn't this make liberals look, well, kind of stupid? First of all, I never heard conservatives talk about relocating when Democrats win. Okay, a few-- but they talk about relocating within the U.S., usually to crackpot-friendly empty spaces like Montana or Idaho. And second... why _Canada_? Why not Europe? I mean, if you're going to leave the country, why settle for Canada? Why not move to a place with more than a thousand years of intense, fertile, and profound history, stocked full of fabulous architecture and exotic foods, where your kids can grow up learning five or six major languages and where the rails can take you to the greatest museums, vacation spots, and cultural landmarks of Western Civilization? But no. They'll settle for _Canada_. I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Why avoid cynicism? _Embrace_ it. We've just had solid proof that a bare majority of the country really is cataclysmically, profoundly stupid, and that even the _worst President in living memory_ can get re-elected. If you _still_ want to avoid cynicism, even after _that_ piece of evidence, well, good luck. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
By the way, Vancouver is lovely -- and if I am not mistaken, has very liberal pot laws, thereby permitting ex-patriots to blunt their pain, with, well, blunts. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Actually, Hillary in 2008 is recipe for disaster. Bill Clinton was very popular butHilary was not.A female, liberal from the North East doesn't stand a chance. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: Paul Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:19 AMTo: Naomi; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Hillary in 2008! :) - Original Message - From: Naomi To: Jonathan Cass ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds we've made for ourselves. Naomion 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with themess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyoccur on his watch.I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeCourt.I think I am going to puke.Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until11/05/2004.I will reply to your email upon my return.Thanks.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
I'm very concerned about the legacy we leave our children. I think they'll be fine economically if they're rich, and screwed otherwise. I think that the security situation will get worse, and Bush will breed more terrorists around the world in the next four years than we've seen in the last fifty years. The reputation of the US will be permanently diminished, and we'll be on our way to becoming a minor country and second-rate economic power. The nation may eventually turn inward, focusing on so-called values, and we'll lose our scientific edge (well, that's lost already), and our will to explore things for purposes of intellectual curiosity. There may be increased friction between the southern and internal states, and the northeast and west coast states, leading to increased mistrust between us, and possibly culminating in some kind of serious split within the next 50 years. It could cause a constitutional crisis, or even violence. We did our best to avoid these traps, and turn the country around. Pennsylvania did the right thing, but we failed in Ohio. We will suffer for this, but perhaps we'll find a way to fix things in the future. Perhaps the misguided people who voted for Bush will start to see where things are headed, and will change their ways. Hope springs eternal, but I have no basis for it. At 10:03 AM 11/3/2004, Naomi wrote: I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds weve made for ourselves. Naomi on 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop 3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.blackcatshop.com David Ford 4710 Windsor Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19143 (215) 726-6576 (H) (267) 255-1554 (Cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] DON'T GO ANYWHERE!!
Title: DON'T GO ANYWHERE!! To University City Democrats, Listen to me out there. This isn't over yet. 1. Though it's looking like a Bush victory, that's no reason not to wait for the official count in Ohio and the other 4 states. 2. If Bush is elected, we need to work harder than ever to make him perform. This is no time to go running to Canada. You're needed here, in YOUR COUNTRY. Do you hear me? YOUR COUNTRY, I don't care how many voters caved in to fear. 3. We need to work on creating a political reformation in America. This isn't just about Nov. 2nd, 2004, it's about planning for a whole generation from today. The Republican victory is pyrrhic and futile. They still rule over a bitterly divided America. 4. The world outside the U.S. is both laughing and crying. Those who wish us ill sit back and await the Bush administration and their failed foreign policy. Bush is Al-Quaeda's poster boy for Western intolerance and colonialism. The people of Iraq see a false leader who's perpetuated a bloody war that's seen over 100,000 of their number die in a senseless, baseless war. 5. Constituency - We have to become citizens that pelt our local politicians with our demands. We need to educate as many people around us as possible, our family, friends, neighbors and even complete strangers. We MUST create constituency. We must a make a Republican majority deal with our demands and that means threatening them with the power of a coalesced constituency that can vote them out. 6. The 2006 Congressional Election. We have two years to effect a major change in the Congress. Support your Democratic Congressional candidates now. Don't wait to 2006 to see who we need to put in office, start looking around now to see how we can oust Republicans like Rick Santorum by finding and supporting a better candidate to change the balance of power. 7. Support the minority. We may still have a minority in Congress, but that doesn't mean they can't effect change. We need to the Deomcratic minority that we have their back. That we will muster the vote. We must be a collective voice that backs theirs with results. 8. The 2008 Elections. We need to make sure that the 2008 presidential candidate is given the FULL support of the Democratic constituency. Our base has to come together and stop trying to create a super-candidate. Whoever gets the next nomination in the Spring of '08. But even before the next Democratic Presidential Primary, we the to give them solid, inflinching support. So many Democrats thought that Kerry wasn't a good enough candidate. This lack of party loyalty is proving lethal to Democratic politicians and their campaigns. 9 It kills me to say this, because against my general code of ethics, but we need to become as virilent as the Republican base. They don't care if they're right or ethically correct in the campaigning. All they care about is a check in the win column and they will horrifyingly dehumanize an opponent and pass off a myriad number of half-truths and innuendo to scare or maniluplate voters. It certainly worked in this election. We need to become the bastards they are, if we want to win elections. We must mount equally virilent attacks against Republican candidates. In some sense giving them a taste of their own medicine. Again, this idea is still making me hurl, but we won't win elections trying to do the right thing. We need to punch back, at the very least, to defend ourselves. We must circle the wagons immediately and get to work now. There's no sense in living in regret. We need to look at the lessons of the past and strategize our political campaigning and voting record. We came out in great numbers this year. We energized the democratic process. We registered hundreds of thousands of new voters and put the Republican campaign machine on alert. We can do this folks. It's about the future and what you want to make it. Be strong. Don't give in to despair or depression. Your voices are still important. Do not go gently into that good night! Mario Giorno
[UC] DON'T GO ANYWHERE!!
Title: DON'T GO ANYWHERE!! To University City Democrats, Listen to me out there. This isn't over yet. 1. Though it's looking like a Bush victory, that's no reason not to wait for the official count in Ohio and the other 4 states. 2. If Bush is elected, we need to work harder than ever to make him perform. This is no time to go running to Canada. You're needed here, in YOUR COUNTRY. Do you hear me? YOUR COUNTRY, I don't care how many voters caved in to fear. 3. We need to work on creating a political reformation in America. This isn't just about Nov. 2nd, 2004, it's about planning for a whole generation from today. The Republican victory is pyrrhic and futile. They still rule over a bitterly divided America. 4. The world outside the U.S. is both laughing and crying. Those who wish us ill sit back and await the Bush administration and their failed foreign policy. Bush is Al-Quaeda's poster boy for Western intolerance and colonialism. The people of Iraq see a false leader who's perpetuated a bloody war that's seen over 100,000 of their number die in a senseless, baseless war. 5. Constituency - We have to become citizens that pelt our local politicians with our demands. We need to educate as many people around us as possible, our family, friends, neighbors and even complete strangers. We MUST create constituency. We must a make a Republican majority deal with our demands and that means threatening them with the power of a coalesced constituency that can vote them out. 6. The 2006 Congressional Election. We have two years to effect a major change in the Congress. Support your Democratic Congressional candidates now. Don't wait to 2006 to see who we need to put in office, start looking around now to see how we can oust Republicans like Rick Santorum by finding and supporting a better candidate to change the balance of power. 7. Support the minority. We may still have a minority in Congress, but that doesn't mean they can't effect change. We need to the Deomcratic minority that we have their back. That we will muster the vote. We must be a collective voice that backs theirs with results. 8. The 2008 Elections. We need to make sure that the 2008 presidential candidate is given the FULL support of the Democratic constituency. Our base has to come together and stop trying to create a super-candidate. Whoever gets the next nomination in the Spring of '08. But even before the next Democratic Presidential Primary, we the to give them solid, inflinching support. So many Democrats thought that Kerry wasn't a good enough candidate. This lack of party loyalty is proving lethal to Democratic politicians and their campaigns. 9 It kills me to say this, because against my general code of ethics, but we need to become as virilent as the Republican base. They don't care if they're right or ethically correct in the campaigning. All they care about is a check in the win column and they will horrifyingly dehumanize an opponent and pass off a myriad number of half-truths and innuendo to scare or maniluplate voters. It certainly worked in this election. We need to become the bastards they are, if we want to win elections. We must mount equally virilent attacks against Republican candidates. In some sense giving them a taste of their own medicine. Again, this idea is still making me hurl, but we won't win elections trying to do the right thing. We need to punch back, at the very least, to defend ourselves. We must circle the wagons immediately and get to work now. There's no sense in living in regret. We need to look at the lessons of the past and strategize our political campaigning and voting record. We came out in great numbers this year. We energized the democratic process. We registered hundreds of thousands of new voters and put the Republican campaign machine on alert. We can do this folks. It's about the future and what you want to make it. Be strong. Don't give in to despair or depression. Your voices are still important. Do not go gently into that good night! Mario Giorno
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Yup. The South has risen again and this time they have won the war. Look at the electral map. Hillary will get blown out like McGovern -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 10:31 AM To: 'Paul Grossman' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Naomi' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 TITLERe: [UC] Bush Victory/TITLE META content=MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVSPAN class=156242815-03112004FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Actually, Hillary in 2008 is recipe for disaster. Bill Clinton was very popular but Hilary was not. A female, liberal from the North East doesn't stand a chance./FONT/SPAN/DIV PFONT face=Times New RomanJonathan A. Cass/FONT BRFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Paul Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:19 AMBRBTo:/B Naomi; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]BRBSubject:/B Re: [UC] Bush VictoryBRBR/FONT/P BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIVFONT face=Arial size=2Hillary in 2008! :)/FONT/DIV BLOCKQUOTE style=PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #00 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV style=FONT: 10pt arial- Original Message - /DIV DIV style=BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: blackBFrom:/B A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Naomi/A /DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBTo:/B A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jonathan Cass/A ; A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A /DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBSent:/B Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM/DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBSubject:/B Re: [UC] Bush Victory/DIV DIVBR/DIVFONT face=Verdana, Helvetica, ArialSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 12pxI have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds we've made for ourselves. BRBRNaomiBRBRBRon 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A wrote:BRBR/SPAN/FONT BLOCKQUOTEFONT size=2FONT face=Monaco, Courier NewSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 10pxThe only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with theBRmess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyBRoccur on his watch.BRBRI don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeBRCourt.BRBRI think I am going to puke.BRBRJonathan A. CassBR-Original Message-BRFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]BR[A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Behalf OfBR[EMAIL PROTECTED]BRSent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMBRTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]BRSubject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.BRBRBRI will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return untilBR11/05/2004.BRBRI will reply to your email upon my return.BRThanks.BRBRBRBRYou are receiving this because you are subscribed to theBRlist named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, seeBRA href=http://www.purple.com/list.html;http://www.purple.com/list.html/A.BRBRBRYou are receiving this because you are subscribed to theBRlist named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, seeBRA href=http://www.purple.com/list.html;http://www.purple.com/list.html/A.BRBR/SPAN/FONT/FONT/BLOCKQUOTEFONT size=2FONT face=Monaco, Courier NewSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 10pxBRBR/SPAN/FONT/FONTFONT face=Verdana, Helvetica, ArialSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 12pxWhite Dog Cafe BR3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 BRA href=http://www.whitedog.com;http://www.whitedog.com/A BR(215) 386-9224 x105 BRBRThe Black Cat Gift ShopBR3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104BRA href=http://www.blackcatshop.com;http://www.blackcatshop.com/ABR/BLOCKQUOTE/BLOCKQUOTE/SPAN/FONT/BODY/HTML You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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For those of you who are ashamed to be an American, shame on you. We are lucky to be in a country where we have the right to express our opinion, and yes, vote for whomever we want... For those of you who want to move to Canada, why all the talk? Move to Canada. If you think you'll be happier there, I say go ahead. However, perpetuating such views as the president is dumb and I'm ashamed to be an American is disgusting to me. I know it is disappointing to have wanted a change in regime, but this doesn't mean we can continue to throw outrageous remarks around and continue this hatred. It is this kind of negativity that divides us as a country. We must consider a change in attitude. Sharon Quoting Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] DON'T GO ANYWHERE!!
Title: DON'T GO ANYWHERE!! To University City Democrats, Listen to me out there. This isn't over yet. 1. Though it's looking like a Bush victory, that's no reason not to wait for the official count in Ohio and the other 4 states. 2. If Bush is elected, we need to work harder than ever to make him perform. This is no time to go running to Canada. You're needed here, in YOUR COUNTRY. Do you hear me? YOUR COUNTRY, I don't care how many voters caved in to fear. 3. We need to work on creating a political reformation in America. This isn't just about Nov. 2nd, 2004, it's about planning for a whole generation from today. The Republican victory is pyrrhic and futile. They still rule over a bitterly divided America. 4. The world outside the U.S. is both laughing and crying. Those who wish us ill sit back and await the Bush administration and their failed foreign policy. Bush is Al-Quaeda's poster boy for Western intolerance and colonialism. The people of Iraq see a false leader who's perpetuated a bloody war that's seen over 100,000 of their number die in a senseless, baseless war. 5. Constituency - We have to become citizens that pelt our local politicians with our demands. We need to educate as many people around us as possible, our family, friends, neighbors and even complete strangers. We MUST create constituency. We must a make a Republican majority deal with our demands and that means threatening them with the power of a coalesced constituency that can vote them out. 6. The 2006 Congressional Election. We have two years to effect a major change in the Congress. Support your Democratic Congressional candidates now. Don't wait to 2006 to see who we need to put in office, start looking around now to see how we can oust Republicans like Rick Santorum by finding and supporting a better candidate to change the balance of power. 7. Support the minority. We may still have a minority in Congress, but that doesn't mean they can't effect change. We need to the Deomcratic minority that we have their back. That we will muster the vote. We must be a collective voice that backs theirs with results. 8. The 2008 Elections. We need to make sure that the 2008 presidential candidate is given the FULL support of the Democratic constituency. Our base has to come together and stop trying to create a super-candidate. Whoever gets the next nomination in the Spring of '08. But even before the next Democratic Presidential Primary, we the to give them solid, inflinching support. So many Democrats thought that Kerry wasn't a good enough candidate. This lack of party loyalty is proving lethal to Democratic politicians and their campaigns. 9 It kills me to say this, because against my general code of ethics, but we need to become as virilent as the Republican base. They don't care if they're right or ethically correct in the campaigning. All they care about is a check in the win column and they will horrifyingly dehumanize an opponent and pass off a myriad number of half-truths and innuendo to scare or maniluplate voters. It certainly worked in this election. We need to become the bastards they are, if we want to win elections. We must mount equally virilent attacks against Republican candidates. In some sense giving them a taste of their own medicine. Again, this idea is still making me hurl, but we won't win elections trying to do the right thing. We need to punch back, at the very least, to defend ourselves. We must circle the wagons immediately and get to work now. There's no sense in living in regret. We need to look at the lessons of the past and strategize our political campaigning and voting record. We came out in great numbers this year. We energized the democratic process. We registered hundreds of thousands of new voters and put the Republican campaign machine on alert. We can do this folks. It's about the future and what you want to make it. Be strong. Don't give in to despair or depression. Your voices are still important. Do not go gently into that good night! Mario Giorno -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That wasn't my point. My point was that a popular leader -- and Bush appears to have won the popular vote -- is not necessarily a good, worthy leader. I think the emerging flaw in our democratic process is that the process itself is causing this country to have to consistently choose between two deeply flawed candidates. I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. That sounds a lot like America -- love it or leave it, a narrow-minded view that fails, nay refuses, to understand that criticism in vital to the democratic process. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Sharon Nicolary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:09 AM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary'; 'Dan Myers'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
I'm not exactly sure how this all relates to west philly, but I suppose that the election is the most newsworthy topic of discussion for most people; all of the lists I subscribe to are temporarially election discussion lists. So here's my plea. Try not to blame the outcome of the election on moralists or religious whackos or whatever. I'm not sure that is where this discussion is going, but it sure did on other lists and so I'd like to try and prevent that here. I'm not a member of a political party because I don't see that either group represents my interests very well. I toss my tiny bit of support one way or another depending on the election. I am also a Christian, though I certainly don't identify with the conservative Christian ideology. The problem is, the Democrats can't seem to put a candidate on the ticket that I can wholehartedly support. Folks like me are tired of being told who we must vote for because of our faith when neither group really takes positions that we hold as important. There are lots of other progressive Christians out there, but they need to be courted and split away from the religious right. This would take a mighty chunk from the Republican base of support. I don't think the Democrats are going to do this though, because to court these people, they run the risk of turning off some of the more liberal elements of their support. So maybe someone out there has an idea how to organize the Religious Left to help counter the Religious Right or what that might look like. I truly feel for folks (in Ohio and elsewhere) who may have wanted to vote for John Kerry but couldn't quite do it because the national discussion of religious values was given up to the conservatives and nobody really talked about the flaws in the theology of just wars, the inconsistancy of being anti-abortion and pro-death pentalty, the invasion of foreign lands flying in the face of Christs' call to turn the other cheek, etcetera, etcetera. My $.02 for what it is worth. To read what someone who really knows how to write said about some of this, there is a statement put together by some theologeans at Fuller Seminary at: http://www.fullerseminary.net/sot/faculty/stassen/Resource_files/confessingc hrist.pdf -j. scott clinton -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Let me re-iterate: I don't think the democratic process is failed in any way. (except the inconsistent way people vote at the polling booths, and maybe our out-dated electoral college system) I think the PEOPLE in this country are pathetic. I know I have no control of that, and have to accept that a civil war may break out because the nation is split (almost equally). And I have to keep reminding myself that not everyone enjoys the wonderful world of logic. I hope that clears any possibility that I hate my country, because I don't. I know there are many countries who would die (and are dying) to have those simple liberties. My comments about Canada are only a smidgen serious. I love this neighborhood, and would hate to leave it just because some jerk raised the draft age to 35. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Sharon Nicolary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dan Myers' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery
I agree with Paul. Dave's post made me sad. Dave, you could have just made your point more concisely and said a few positive words about the idea that people care about you. The poster is probably crying right now. :( Anyway, hope you are recovering well. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery An interesting post for a number of reasons. This really shows another angle on well wishing, being supportive and caring. While all the rationales for criticism of the posted news were laid out, and I appreciate the chance to be sensitized, it seems harsh to be so dismissive of the unknown poster's intent. Wasn't he trying to be helpful in letting those who are concerned about you know that you are doing well? Apparently he screwed up, but is your response really completely on target regardless of good intentions? Although you don't say so, there is a strong suggestion that you'd rather be left alone. To avoid causing all these problems for a patient, should we stand back and wait? Send a card maybe, but don't call and definitely don't visit. I'll call you or invite you if I want to put up with the hassle. Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way? Do any patients welcome the healing power of friends and love over the hassle of not being able to rest more? Finally, why do all these concerns not apply if you just had a baby or are dying? Does the new mother, with her wholly dependent baby, not need the rest of the guy after surgery? Are burglars more respectful of the dying, not to mention the identity thieves? In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On September 13th, the following two paragraphs were posted on the UC list: At the PSFS meeting this weekend, it was announced that long-time SF fan and UnivCity resident Dave Axler had bypass surgery recently. Since I've run into many local residents who knew Dave, but did not know about this, here's some info. According to a posting on smofs*, he's at Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital in Boston Massachusetts, and he's recovering well from bypass surgery. He'll be staying at the hospital a few more days, and then staying at an adjacent hotel for about a week while his doctors monitor his condition before he returns home. *[For those who don't know, smofs is a small-circulation moderated discussion list for the organizers of science fiction conventions] I've been debating about the appropriate response to this posting, which had me as its subject. To be blunt, it should never have been made. Regardless of the intentions of the poster, the end result was that it caused me some problems that should have never occurred, and added new, unnecessary stress to an experience that was already extremely stressful. I considered just responding to the poster, off-list. But, after discussing this with a number of close friends who have gone through similar hospital experiences, it's become clear that some folks out there just don't have a clue how to deal with other peoples' medical situations. So, in the hopes that I can spare someone else in the future a bit of the aggravation that I experienced, I'm going to respond here on the list. (It's a somewhat belated response, but that won't affect its accuracy.) Let me start with some basics. While these are generalizations, my conversations with others suggest that they're true for pretty much any extended hospital stay, with two possible exceptions: women delivering babies (where congratulatory phone calls are rather common) and those patients who go into the hospital expecting to die. To start with, one of the first things that hospitals require when you arrive and check in is to provide them with the name and phone of a contact person. Primarily, that is to ensure that there is someone who can make critical decisions while you're unconscious or otherwise incapacitated. In addition, that person is also the patient's spokesperson. If someone calls the hospital and asks for a patient at a time when the patient is in the operating theatre, the ICU, or otherwise incommunicado, the hospital can direct the caller to the spokesperson. [In my particular case, because I was in an out-of-town hospital, I actually had more than one contact person. There was one relative who was local to the hospital, a second -- my brother -- who had the medical decision-making job, and a small collective here in Philly that was taking care of my cats and house during my absence.] Typically, the contact person also takes on the job of notifying selected friends and family about the patient's
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Actually, Sharon, we DON'T have to hold back from saying we're ashamed. If I'm ashamed, then I'm ashamed. If I'm angry, then I am angry and I can't make nicey-nice right now. I hope we continue to be divided as opposed to apathetic. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:07 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory For those of you who are ashamed to be an American, shame on you. We are lucky to be in a country where we have the right to express our opinion, and yes, vote for whomever we want... For those of you who want to move to Canada, why all the talk? Move to Canada. If you think you'll be happier there, I say go ahead. However, perpetuating such views as the president is dumb and I'm ashamed to be an American is disgusting to me. I know it is disappointing to have wanted a change in regime, but this doesn't mean we can continue to throw outrageous remarks around and continue this hatred. It is this kind of negativity that divides us as a country. We must consider a change in attitude. Sharon Quoting Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Well-said. -- Sharon Nicolary Quoting Clinton, J. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not exactly sure how this all relates to west philly, but I suppose that the election is the most newsworthy topic of discussion for most people; all of the lists I subscribe to are temporarially election discussion lists. So here's my plea. Try not to blame the outcome of the election on moralists or religious whackos or whatever. I'm not sure that is where this discussion is going, but it sure did on other lists and so I'd like to try and prevent that here. I'm not a member of a political party because I don't see that either group represents my interests very well. I toss my tiny bit of support one way or another depending on the election. I am also a Christian, though I certainly don't identify with the conservative Christian ideology. The problem is, the Democrats can't seem to put a candidate on the ticket that I can wholehartedly support. Folks like me are tired of being told who we must vote for because of our faith when neither group really takes positions that we hold as important. There are lots of other progressive Christians out there, but they need to be courted and split away from the religious right. This would take a mighty chunk from the Republican base of support. I don't think the Democrats are going to do this though, because to court these people, they run the risk of turning off some of the more liberal elements of their support. So maybe someone out there has an idea how to organize the Religious Left to help counter the Religious Right or what that might look like. I truly feel for folks (in Ohio and elsewhere) who may have wanted to vote for John Kerry but couldn't quite do it because the national discussion of religious values was given up to the conservatives and nobody really talked about the flaws in the theology of just wars, the inconsistancy of being anti-abortion and pro-death pentalty, the invasion of foreign lands flying in the face of Christs' call to turn the other cheek, etcetera, etcetera. My $.02 for what it is worth. To read what someone who really knows how to write said about some of this, there is a statement put together by some theologeans at Fuller Seminary at: http://www.fullerseminary.net/sot/faculty/stassen/Resource_files/confessingc hrist.pdf -j. scott clinton -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Title: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Scott, That's an excellent observation. The idea that no candidate is actually a good religious fit. I have to admit that I always hope that people leave religion and spiritual ideology out of politics and public policy. I feel this way, Scott, because it's impossible to have a public servant who only identifies and represents a certain sect rather than taking the secular mantle of having to represent them all. However, it's become obvious that a politician has to take a religious side , as it were. I would then be a great idea to establish a religious left. This voice could counter much of the hypocracy in Bush's fundamentalist, and right-wing Catholic following. I'd like to hear more of what you think local churches, synagogues, temples and religious congregations can do to join and discuss what they want in a politician or elected official. It's certainly a great constituency-building idea. Mario Giorno -Original Message- From: Clinton, J. Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Importance: Low I'm not exactly sure how this all relates to west philly, but I suppose that the election is the most newsworthy topic of discussion for most people; all of the lists I subscribe to are temporarially election discussion lists. So here's my plea. Try not to blame the outcome of the election on moralists or religious whackos or whatever. I'm not sure that is where this discussion is going, but it sure did on other lists and so I'd like to try and prevent that here. I'm not a member of a political party because I don't see that either group represents my interests very well. I toss my tiny bit of support one way or another depending on the election. I am also a Christian, though I certainly don't identify with the conservative Christian ideology. The problem is, the Democrats can't seem to put a candidate on the ticket that I can wholehartedly support. Folks like me are tired of being told who we must vote for because of our faith when neither group really takes positions that we hold as important. There are lots of other progressive Christians out there, but they need to be courted and split away from the religious right. This would take a mighty chunk from the Republican base of support. I don't think the Democrats are going to do this though, because to court these people, they run the risk of turning off some of the more liberal elements of their support. So maybe someone out there has an idea how to organize the Religious Left to help counter the Religious Right or what that might look like. I truly feel for folks (in Ohio and elsewhere) who may have wanted to vote for John Kerry but couldn't quite do it because the national discussion of religious values was given up to the conservatives and nobody really talked about the flaws in the theology of just wars, the inconsistancy of being anti-abortion and pro-death pentalty, the invasion of foreign lands flying in the face of Christs' call to turn the other cheek, etcetera, etcetera. My $.02 for what it is worth. To read what someone who really knows how to write said about some of this, there is a statement put together by some theologeans at Fuller Seminary at: http://www.fullerseminary.net/sot/faculty/stassen/Resource_files/confessingc hrist.pdf -j. scott clinton -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC]
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
I agree that criticism is vital to the process. Your point is valid there. But there is a difference between intelligent criticism and some of the things I read on this list or hear on CNN. I agree also with your that both candidates being deeply flawed. White males with Yale degrees and wealthy families and/or spouses--well that's all we have to choose from. -- Sharon Nicolary Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That wasn't my point. My point was that a popular leader -- and Bush appears to have won the popular vote -- is not necessarily a good, worthy leader. I think the emerging flaw in our democratic process is that the process itself is causing this country to have to consistently choose between two deeply flawed candidates. I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. That sounds a lot like America -- love it or leave it, a narrow-minded view that fails, nay refuses, to understand that criticism in vital to the democratic process. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Sharon Nicolary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:09 AM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary'; 'Dan Myers'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
I don't believe in the like it or leave it philosophy when it comes to America. The right to stay and fight the good fight and try to right the wrongs is what makes this place cool. And knowing there's always hope that we will live to see our personal and political goals, values, ideals and beliefs realized, is what makes it the best place in the world to be, in my opinion. I'd never go as far as to suggest anybody leave just because they say they are unhappy with something. But hey, when they openly suggest it themselves, like when they threaten to pack up and leave because they don't like the outcome of an election, I always think one or both of two short, ole' fashioned statements: Suit yourself and Good riddance. ...and I am a Black, gay, American, who voted for Kerry, and don't mind saying so. That's my two cents. Now I got to get back to work, before I look up and find myself without a job... M. M. Harvey You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery
You ask some valid questions, which I'll attempt to answer briefly... 1) Was the poster "...trying to be helpful in letting those who are concerned about you know that you are doing well?" Not being a mind reader, I can't speak to the poster's intention. I can only talk about the effects of his or her actions. Regardless of any possible good intentions, those effects were generally negative and were wholly due to the poster's failure to think fully and carefully about those effects. Also, I would note that practically all of my close personal friends and family, especially those who reside in Philadelphia, were fully up to date on the situation through the efforts of my contact people. The announcement on the UCity list served only to publicize the situation to a group of people who are, in general, not that close to me in ways other than geography; they are in the category of "acquaintances" rather than "friends". This is not to suggest that I don't appreciate their concern, because I very much do. But any "need for news" of this group could have been just as well served by an announcement from me, either on the list or by word of mouth, after my return home. 2) You say that "...it seems harsh to be so dismissive of the unknown poster's intent." On this, I have to disagree. Good intentions are a fine and noble thing, but they simply do not excuse a failure to think about the effects of one's actions before taking them. 3) You ask, "To avoid causing all these problems for a patient, should we stand back and wait?" I thought I was clear on this, but I'll try again: No, there is not a need to stand back and wait. There is, however, a very real necessity to be attentive to the needs of the patient, and to give those needs primacy over your own concerns. I would recommend that one always call first to confirm that the patient is ready for visits. While in the hospital, I had phone calls and visitors that were very positive events for all involved, and which certainly benefitted my recovery. I also had several experiences that were unquestionably negative, and many of them were a direct or indirect result of the posting on this list. 4) You also ask, "Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way?" Before writing my post, I discussed my experiences and thoughts with about a dozen friends and relatives who had undergone hospital stays in the last few years, including several who'd had the exact same operation as I did. They all agreed with me, both in theory and in practice. Several explicitly stated that a post-op patient has a responsibility to be "selfish," especially as regards the time and energy spent on calls and visits, in order to focus on his or her recovery. One told me the story of how she'd had to ask the hospital to evict her parents from her room when they wouldn't let her rest after a painful and exhausting Caesarian section. So, yes, I'd say that most folks who've had similar experiences do, indeed, share my views. 5) As to why I suggested that there might be exceptions to my generalizations for women delivering babies and for the dying, here goes... Women/babies: I think -- and I stand ready to be corrected by those who've been through it -- that there is a long tradition of brief congratulatory calls and visits in the post-delivery period. I'd also say that the depiction of "the new mother, with her wholly dependent baby" is inaccurate. The baby is staying in the hospital nursery, not the mother's bed. The dying: I see this as a special situation because time is running out. Those who want and need to say farewell would like to do so before the patient dies, not at the funeral. While I hope there is kindness, respect, and courtesy on all sides, this is a situation where I feel that the needs of those who'll have to carry on after the death will be treated as equal, not subsidiary, to those of the patient. In a message dated 11/3/04 9:17:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An interesting post for a number of reasons. This really shows another angle on well wishing, being supportive and caring. While all the rationales for criticism of the posted news were laid out, and I appreciate the chance to be sensitized, it seems harsh to be so dismissive of the unknown poster's intent. Wasn't he trying to be helpful in letting those who are concerned about you know that you are doing well? Apparently he screwed up, but is your response really completely on target regardless of good intentions? Although you don't say so, there is a strong suggestion that you'd rather be left alone. To avoid causing all these problems for a patient, should we stand back and wait? Send a card maybe, but don't call and definitely don't visit. I'll call you or invite you if I want to put up with the hassle. Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way? Do any patients welcome the healing power of friends and love over the hassle of not being able to rest more? Finally,
RE: [UC] Dave Axler's posting
Title: RE: [UC] Dave Axler's posting I don't really know Dave, except through this list, but have to say (and perhaps for that very reason) that I agree with him and support his message. Setting aside the issue of security of his house, after it was broadcast to the neighborhood that he would be away, individuals have different thresholds of personal privacy. I'm sure Dave was in contact with the friends and others who he wished to inform about his surgery, and from whom he wished to receive support. Had he wished to communicate with half of online-University City, I'm sure he would have requested that one of his friends or acquaintances post a message on his behalf. There are people who participate on this list with whom I have varying levels of friendship or acquaintanceship. I would be FURIOUS with any of them who presumed to post information about me that I had chosen to share with them, but not with the entire UC list community. And please remember that this is NOT a private conversation between friends. This is a very public forum, with publicly-searchable archives. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/3/2004 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery I agree with Paul. Dave's post made me sad. Dave, you could have just made your point more concisely and said a few positive words about the idea that people care about you. The poster is probably crying right now. :( Anyway, hope you are recovering well. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery An interesting post for a number of reasons. This really shows another angle on well wishing, being supportive and caring. While all the rationales for criticism of the posted news were laid out, and I appreciate the chance to be sensitized, it seems harsh to be so dismissive of the unknown poster's intent. Wasn't he trying to be helpful in letting those who are concerned about you know that you are doing well? Apparently he screwed up, but is your response really completely on target regardless of good intentions? Although you don't say so, there is a strong suggestion that you'd rather be left alone. To avoid causing all these problems for a patient, should we stand back and wait? Send a card maybe, but don't call and definitely don't visit. I'll call you or invite you if I want to put up with the hassle. Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way? Do any patients welcome the healing power of friends and love over the hassle of not being able to rest more? Finally, why do all these concerns not apply if you just had a baby or are dying? Does the new mother, with her wholly dependent baby, not need the rest of the guy after surgery? Are burglars more respectful of the dying, not to mention the identity thieves? In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On September 13th, the following two paragraphs were posted on the UC list: At the PSFS meeting this weekend, it was announced that long-time SF fan and UnivCity resident Dave Axler had bypass surgery recently. Since I've run into many local residents who knew Dave, but did not know about this, here's some info. According to a posting on smofs*, he's at Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital in Boston Massachusetts, and he's recovering well from bypass surgery. He'll be staying at the hospital a few more days, and then staying at an adjacent hotel for about a week while his doctors monitor his condition before he returns home. *[For those who don't know, smofs is a small-circulation moderated discussion list for the organizers of science fiction conventions] I've been debating about the appropriate response to this posting, which had me as its subject. To be blunt, it should never have been made. Regardless of the intentions of the poster, the end result was that it caused me some problems that should have never occurred, and added new, unnecessary stress to an experience that was already extremely stressful. I considered just responding to the poster, off-list. But, after discussing this with a number of close friends who have gone through similar hospital experiences, it's become clear that some folks out there just don't have a clue how to deal with other peoples' medical situations. So, in the hopes that I can spare someone else in the future a bit of the aggravation that I experienced, I'm going to respond here on the list. (It's a somewhat belated response, but that won't affect its accuracy.) Let me start with some basics. While these are generalizations, my conversations with others suggest that
RE: [UC] Hospital visits
Title: RE: [UC] Hospital visits Having had some experience on this one, I'll add a gentle correction -- The average hospital stay for a non-complicated, non-c-section delivery is less than 24 hours. During that time, particularly if the mother is trying to establish breastfeeding (this is not always as easy as it seems!) the baby is probably in the mother's room most, if not all, of the time. Of course, most hospitals require that the baby be taken back to the nursery when anyone other than immediately family (i.e., father, siblings) visits. If the delivery was by c-section, the mother is recovering from major surgery AND may still be taking on most of the care of the baby (believe me, with the staffing levels of most hospitals now, there isn't a nurse hovering around to take care of everything for you). Either way, it's not an ideal situation for entertaining guests. Miss Manners would probably suggest that the appropriate time to visit a newborn baby and parents is a week or more after the baby comes home, preferably with a casserole in hand! Kathleen -Original Message- 5) As to why I suggested that there might be exceptions to my generalizations for women delivering babies and for the dying, here goes... Women/babies: I think -- and I stand ready to be corrected by those who've been through it -- that there is a long tradition of brief congratulatory calls and visits in the post-delivery period. I'd also say that the depiction of the new mother, with her wholly dependent baby is inaccurate. The baby is staying in the hospital nursery, not the mother's bed.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I could not agree more. Hillary in 2008! Matt Wolfe -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul GrossmanSent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:19 AMTo: Naomi; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Hillary in 2008! :) - Original Message - From: Naomi To: Jonathan Cass ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds we've made for ourselves. Naomion 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with themess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyoccur on his watch.I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeCourt.I think I am going to puke.Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until11/05/2004.I will reply to your email upon my return.Thanks.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
[UC] Firewood
We have lost our long time firewood supplier that we had for our house and at the Palladium. So I wanted to know if anyone knew of resonably priced firewood supplier. This would be both for our house and our restaurant (Abbraccio), so we go through quite a bit. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Vince, Roger and Duane
[UC] Re: Firewood
From: Vincent/Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:33:13 -0500 We have lost our long time firewood supplier that we had for our house and at the Palladium. So I wanted to know if anyone knew of resonably priced firewood supplier. This would be both for our house and our restaurant (Abbraccio), so we go through quite a bit. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Many years ago, I used Co-Mhar, 215-425-9212. I liked that they had teen-agers and young men who appeared to be mentally handicapped stacking the firewood. These guys did a great job, worked hard, and showed every sign of enjoying the chance to go out and earn a dollar. I'm not a firewood expert, but the wood appeared to be good quality mixed hardwood, well seasoned. I don't know if things are still the same, but if I needed firewood I'd give them a call. --- Chip PS: and before anyone jumps on me, I'm mentally handicapped (dyslexic). If anyone takes offense at the phrase, that was not my intent. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery
In a message dated 11/3/2004 1:08:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4) You also ask, "Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way?" Before writing my post, I discussed my experiences and thoughts with about a dozen friends and relatives who had undergone hospital stays in the last few years, including several who'd had the exact same operation as I did. They all agreed with me, both in theory and in practice. Several explicitly stated that a post-op patient has a responsibility to be "selfish," especially as regards the time and energy spent on calls and visits, in order to focus on his or her recovery. One told me the story of how she'd had to ask the hospital to evict her parents from her room when they wouldn't let her rest after a painful and exhausting Caesarian section. So, yes, I'd say that most folks who've had similar experiences do, indeed, share my views. I agree completely with Dave. When I went into HUP for gall bladder surgery I specifically asked my wife to phone my place of employment and tell them I wanted NO VISITORS. Sure enough the day after I had surgery I was visited by two old lady busybodies from my department whom I specifically did NOT wish to have in my post-op bedroom. When they showed up I had to restrain myself from throwing the bedpan at them. Instead I just pulled the sheet over my head until they left. Ross Benderhttp://rossbender.org/myersbriggs.html
Fw: [UC] Bush Victory
- Original Message - From: Marianne Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Don't laugh, but one of my former neighbors recently sold her house here in University City and moved to Vancouver. Her reasons were partly a good professional opportunity and partly because of the political situation in this country. Marianne Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Turner,Kathleen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dan Myers' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory By the way, Vancouver is lovely -- and if I am not mistaken, has very liberal pot laws, thereby permitting ex-patriots to blunt their pain, with, well, blunts. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
I'm inclined to agree with Jonathan Cass's initial comment in this thread. Further, consider that this may be the high point of Bush's career: he actually was elected President. Elliot Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 United States of America telephone: 215-747-6204 mobile: 267-240-8418 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 03 Nov 2004, at 03:24, Marianne Das wrote: - Original Message - From: Marianne Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Don't laugh, but one of my former neighbors recently sold her house here in University City and moved to Vancouver. Her reasons were partly a good professional opportunity and partly because of the political situation in this country. Marianne Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Turner,Kathleen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dan Myers' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory By the way, Vancouver is lovely -- and if I am not mistaken, has very liberal pot laws, thereby permitting ex-patriots to blunt their pain, with, well, blunts. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Re: Firewood
I have also used Co-Marh. Not only were the guys great but they stacked the cord of wood AND it was seasoned, ready-to-burn wood. Many companies who deliver do NOT deliver seasoned wood. -Wilma On 11/3/04 3:05 PM, Charles H. Buchholtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Vincent/Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:33:13 -0500 We have lost our long time firewood supplier that we had for our house and at the Palladium. So I wanted to know if anyone knew of resonably priced firewood supplier. This would be both for our house and our restaurant (Abbraccio), so we go through quite a bit. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Many years ago, I used Co-Mhar, 215-425-9212. I liked that they had teen-agers and young men who appeared to be mentally handicapped stacking the firewood. These guys did a great job, worked hard, and showed every sign of enjoying the chance to go out and earn a dollar. I'm not a firewood expert, but the wood appeared to be good quality mixed hardwood, well seasoned. I don't know if things are still the same, but if I needed firewood I'd give them a call. --- Chip PS: and before anyone jumps on me, I'm mentally handicapped (dyslexic). If anyone takes offense at the phrase, that was not my intent. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Election - what really happened
For those who are upset with the election results, are getting into arguments with others about the meaning of the results, or just need to relax, I'm passing on a message I got at work from a fellow consumer bankruptcy lawyer, which is good whether you're a D or R. It's all about the dangers of democracy: While looking at a house, my brother asked the real estate agent which direction was north because, he explained, he didn't want the sun waking him up every morning. She asked, "Does the sun rise in the North?" When another person jumped in and explained that the sun rises in the east (and has for some time), she shook her head and said, "Oh, I don't keep up with that stuff." And then she voted. === I used to work in technical support for a 24/7 call center. One day I got a call from an InDUHvidual who asked what hours the call center was open. I told him, "The number you dialed is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week." He responded, "Is that Eastern or Pacific time?" Wanting to end the call quickly, I said, "Pacific.." And then he voted. === So my colleague and I were eating our lunch in our cafeteria when we overheard one of the administrative assistants talking about the sunburn she got on her weekend drive to the shore. She drove down in a convertible, but "didn't think she'd get sunburned because the car was moving." And then she voted. === I was in a high school advanced physics class and the teacher was talking about a new military weapon that uses sonic waves on the battlefield to burst enemy soldier's chests. One InDUHvidual in the class spoke up and said, "Well that's stupid! Why don't they just wear headphones?" And a few years later, he voted. === My sister has a lifesaving tool in her car. It's designed to cut through a seatbelt if she gets trapped. She keeps it in the trunk. And then she voted. === My friends and I were on a beer run and noticed that the cases were discounted 10%. Since it was a big party, we bought two cases. The cashier multiplied two times 10% and gave us a 20% discount. And then they all voted. === I was hanging out with a real conservative friend of mine when we saw a woman walk by us with a nose ring attached to an earring by a chain. My friend said, "Wouldn't the chain rip out every time she turned her head?" I had to explain to her that a person's nose and ear remain the same distance apart no matter which way the head is turned. And then she voted. === I couldn't find my luggage at the airport baggage area. So I went to the lost luggage office and told the woman there that my bags never showed up. She smiled and told me not to worry because they were trained professionals and I was in good hands. "Now," she asked me, "has your plane arrived yet?" And then she voted. ___ This is me again. My proposal for the future: leave wars to the men, but voting to the women.
[UC] A Post election Prescription
I know no one asked for this but it was passed on to me and restores a little perspective. Hope it helps. Joe A Post-Election Prescription: What will come of all this on Nov. 3? Some will pick up the morningpaper and save it for a souvenir, and the others will wrap up thegarbage in it. What will reconcile us is what has always restored oursanity, and that is the plain pleasures of the physical world, ourcommon love of coffee, the world of apples, the movement of birds, thelives of dogs, the touch of skin. . . . Having worked ourselves into afever over the future of Western civilization, we will now beginenjoying our oatmeal again, with raisins, chopped apricots and honeyfrom bees that grazed in meadows of clover. The beauty of engagement isdisengagement. You simply put on your jacket and walk out the door andfind good health. There is no fever that a 10-mile hike cant cure. --Garrison Keillor, writer and recovering political partisan, 2004 Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp - or what's a heaven for? Robert Browning (1812 - 1889)
[UC] Halloween : the Election : Car story - police kudos
Halloween at our house was a blast! -- Cindy Preston coordinated an event that treated 1,100 kids. Three early visitors were roped into volunteering without notice or preparation. Ed Robertson took over the Soda station and after handing out the almost 600 cans which had been donated. He went out and bought soda with his own money to give out to later arrivals. Father and son, Ed (the Painter) and Brian (soon to be an Eagle Scout?) Sarbough, took over the fresh fruit and cookie stands. Ed was able to stress the tougher teens with his size, makeup and wild demeanor while going easy on the littler ones. Brian hid inside the handmade (by Nate Ross) haunted house and created a system for delivering cookie bags using a dismembered break away arm attached to a retrieval string. His corner generated lots of screams and laughter. UCD was invaluable with delivery and setup and supervised throughout the night. One Ambassador brought so much love and respect for the children, to her duties, that she won their trust and encouraged safe fun. I think every one has requested Terry come again next year. And, even though John Fenton was home with his own small kids, he checked in several times by phone and extended the use of the ambassadors to support the extra hour needed to handle the crowds who arrived. I believe the kids who came will have lasting, happy memories of the holiday. The Election leaves me with such mixed feelings. --- I knew Bush in 1980-81, during one of the more embarrassing times of my life, and believe that we, as a nation, are diminished by choosing him as our leader. I am sustaining myself with the beauty of what I saw at the polls yesterday. We had a 63% turnout. And considering that, on the eligible voters list, I recognized names of some who had died, a few listed twice and many who had moved away (none of whom voted B-T-W)... the actual turnout percentage was probably greater. It was delightful to see how many first time voters, including my own daughter Kate, are in our division. I saw many elderly voters who arrived using walkers; volunteers transporting those with needs; and parents with young children. I witnessed civil discourse across party lines and was amazed at the number of volunteers including attorneys and professionals of all ages, who made time to insure safe and honest voting. I was one of the confused workers who sat at a Polling place from before 7 AM until almost 10 PM. It was my third time to help out. It is not truly volunteer work, but feels that way, since I have been fortunate enough that I don't normally work for a minimum wage. Access to the buildings begins a half hour before the polls open. In less than a half hour we must setup the machines, learn or relearn the systems and open, no earlier than 7 AM to a line of people trying to get to work, and yesterday the line was long. There were few breaks. In 15 hours I left the table only twice, for bathroom breaks. We registering voters while chewing are lunches. I am grateful for the thoughtful gestures... a husband who made coffee and a breakfast PBJ Sandwich, a friend who delivered soup and voters who, for the most part, were patient with us poll workers. I was on a good team. Rita Cabry has amazing administrative talents. Her daughter Mary Ellen is lively and fun to work with. Ben Palubinsky, a first time poll worker, was a quick study and young and cute and tolerant of our harassment. I enjoyed the results at our division, and went to bed, crippled from being seated so long, but optimistic. I woke up wondering how to sustain optimism for myself and for others who feel their efforts end up fruitless. It is harder to mobilize those who can't count on: good education, connections to employment opportunity and buy-outs by their parent's friends. I believe a win would have meant more to the Democrats, despite some posts I read earlier today. Somehow, I got on a Republican E-list. The e-mails have been enlightening. One of the funnier ones arrived on Monday. It included a detailed map to my polling place along with the cheery news that it was only a .2 mile drive and should only take me 1 minute to get to my polling place. It appeared as another instance of a Republican break with urban realities. How can the party that encourages driving 2/10s of a mile get behind public transportation as a choice or even understand the challenges of folks who can't afford a car or car insurance? Oh well. We are a great nation and even Haliburton, Enron, big oil and family banking scandals can't change that. Count me as another for Hilary in 2008! And on the subject of cars... --- Sometime between Friday night and Sunday morning, someone stole our 18 year old silver Toyota Corolla (4 doors + hatchback). It had 284,000 miles on it and a small dent on the
