[UC] Babysitting, housecleaning, etc

[Melinda Salmon]

Hi, 
   
  I have a friend who does house cleaning, can run errands and babysit. She is 
from Costa Rica but is a citizen. Her English and Spanish are excellent. 
  Her name is Gaby and she can be reached by email:
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  I would be happy to provide a personal reference. 
   
  Melinda

   
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Re: [UC] The way he should have handled it, were he not playing CYA so desperately

[Glenn]

  - Original Message - 
  From: Elizabeth F Campion 
  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] The way he should have handled it, were he not playing CYA 
so desperately




  Is this a 
  "When did you stop beating your kid?" question?

  Or just a continuation of a trend that asks a distracting question that 
insures that the "guilt" of the person or people who irritate the asker is a 
'given', and...
  ... that the irritators are presumed "blame"-able for something?
  ... a reminder that the irratatees have a tight little clique and are reading 
from a similar script.

  Liz
  

  On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:41:18 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So, Al, are you saying that the Philadelphia candidate, Tom Knox, should 
have taken the blame for having John Fenton help out with his political rally?

Melani Lamond



Liz,
You really understand what is going on here. And you see this "clique" 
strategy. Most often, I’ve noticed that it is the group straw man that is used 
and becomes so intimidating. It becomes one of the biggest causes of the list 
incivility. I’m glad you publicly and accurately questioned this post.

I need to always ask are these uses of fallacious arguments really based on 
extremely poor reading comprehension? Or is this something much more 
problematic? Are these strategies actually intentional attempts to dishonestly 
obfuscate important issues and destroy any chance for honest discussion?  
Anwser: YES 

Should they be condemned as mean and a huge original source of incivility? 
I think civility does not come with fake politeness. Civility requires an 
ingenuous attempt at communication by the players.

When the first person on the list does the "misreading" of someone’s 
opinion or question, and then another 5 join in the mistake with angry 
insulting posts; our neighbors who rarely post must be incredibly intimidated. 
Once we all see the pattern, we can see how mean, destructive, and dishonest 
the actors are being. Those who engage in these strategies do risk being 
exposed at a later time, but for a time on this list any outside reader saw 
"the gang" getting away with this behavior. It was "the free pass" discussed a 
few months ago.

I was very confused at folks for harshly criticizing some of my clear 
fictions because the imagery was crass while remaining silent to the big 
obvious destructiveness going on simultaneously. A fiction or satire is an 
attempt to make the reader think for him or herself and come to their own 
conclusions of the writer's position. 

By its clear fictional nature, an honest fictional effort cannot be used 
like the pretense of a non-fictional but actually fallacious argument or 
straight out lie. It cannot be as destructive as the deliberate attempt to 
deceive and intimidate with these fallacious strategies. Constructing obvious 
fiction is always honest, and non-fiction is often fiction that we sometimes 
call propaganda or lies.

These mean strategies are designed to make a fool of the target, but once 
exposed, as you clearly understand; they have actually made fools of the 
writers. It is my opinion, that it becomes very important to challenge these 
posts.

If someone seems to honestly make a misreading, I think it would be mean to 
respond harshly instead of trying to help clarify. But I assert the right to 
use any literary device and the right to pull out all literary stops against 
those using these tactics deliberately.  It is an important way to stand up for 
free speech.  

If our neighbors are intimidated from participation on this public 
communication vehicle, aren't their free speech rights being harmed by their 
neighbors with this intimidation

The question should always be the same to the gang. Are you really stupid 
with a pathetic level of reading comprehension? Or are you trying to be a 
dishonest bully to confuse and intimidate; and win your position by silencing 
discussion?  These strategies are used by those whose positions can't be backed 
up by asserting ethical principals.

That is why some folks can only resort to these tactics because they know 
they can't carry their arguments in a fair and honest debate!

I have a thick skin because I understood the pattern before joining the 
list. The first time a person is victimized with this; it gives a horrible 
feeling and it made me very sad to accept that my neighbors could go so low. 
Then, I think it can make many normal humans angry. 

You probably know that you are now a target. At the same time, Liz, taking 
a courageous position is not only the best ethical decision; it is the best 
decision for our spiritual well being. The importance of that can’t compare 
with any pain these folks temporarily dish out.

Thanks and have a great day,

Glenn

















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Re: [UC] Tuesday's Clark Park movie and Idiocracy

[Glenn]

You're welcome.

I've decided to stay for this.  Remember Kyle, we'll be around some really 
fine people and I'm expecting lots of hugs.  I expect an especially warm one 
from you!


Best,
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [UC] Tuesday's Clark Park movie and Idiocracy



Thanks for the tip -- 

I'm down for seeing this -- anybody want to meet up at the green line at 
7:45 or so? Pack some picnic snacks?


kc


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn
Sent: Sun 7/15/2007 1:53 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Tuesday's Clark Park movie and Idiocracy

Dear neighbors,

I'm not sure if you've been informed.

The Philadelphia International Action Center and the Philadelphia Anti War 
Forum will host a free showing of ARNA'S CHILDREN at 8pm Tuesday, July 17th 
in Clark Park at 45th & Regent Sts.
It was made from 1992-2002 and follows a group of Palestinian children in 
occupied territory.


Unfortunately, I'm hoping to be out of town by then.  Several folks on the 
list expressed an interest in showing that film "Idiocracy" in Clark Park.


If any of you make contact with some of these individuals, they may be 
willing to help us set this up for Clark Park.  I will be willing to help 
make this happen easily if they are interested in allowing their equipment 
to be used at some future date.


Feel free to contact me or give my e-mail to any of the activists so I can 
help to get Idiocracy shown in the park  If I am, unfortunately, still here; 
I will pursue this and see you at the movie.  When you live in the district, 
it is really refreshing to be around the wonderful people who end up 
energizing peace movements.  If I don't see you, have a great time and give 
everyone a hug for me.


Thanks,
Glenn








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[UC] Public safety alert from penn police

[Kyle Cassidy]

Dated last Friday -- just hit my desk this morning. Stay safe neighbors.




Relevant excerpt:

There has been an increase in groups (3-8 members) of young male
juveniles, ranging from 9 - 13 years of age, who are walking through the
University City area, and are harassing, assaulting and/or robbing both
male and female residents and/or Penn students and staff. There have
been six incidents, since July 3rd in the Penn patrol zone, occurring
from 4:30pm - 12:30am in the following locations:
   Area of 33rd and Chestnut
   3700 block Locust Walk
   4000 block Locust Street
   4200 block Locust Street

Additionally, there has been one similar incident in the vicinity of
Drexel University, at 35th and Spring Garden Streets. Several young
males have been arrested in conjunction with one incident occurring in
the 4200 block of Locust Street.

The University of Pennsylvania Police Department, working in conjunction
with the Philadelphia Police Department, as well as Penn Security
Officers and University City District Safety Ambassadors, have increased
police and security patrols in University City. Both covert and overt
police patrols are being used. Additionally, the Division of Public
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[UC] 46th St Crime Alert

[B Andersen]

Last night about about 1:30 am. I taxi driver was assaulted in his cab at
46th & Chester. They tried slashing his throat. Fortunately, he was not
seriously injured, though he did have to go to HUP for treatment. There was
a fleeet of cabs out last night on 46th St between and Chester and Regent
occupied by drivers concerned for the diver who was being interviewed by the
PPD and being treated on site.

Re: [UC] Public safety alert from Penn police

[Elizabeth F Campion]

 
I'm always telling Buyers and Renters that it is safer WEST of 44th.
Thanks for making my point.

:-)
Liz


On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:34 -0400 "Kyle Cassidy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Dated last Friday -- just hit my desk this morning. Stay safe 
> neighbors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Relevant excerpt:
> 
> There has been an increase in groups (3-8 members) of young male
> juveniles, ranging from 9 - 13 years of age, who are walking through 
> the
> University City area, and are harassing, assaulting and/or robbing 
> both
> male and female residents and/or Penn students and staff. There have
> been six incidents, since July 3rd in the Penn patrol zone, 
> occurring
> from 4:30pm - 12:30am in the following locations:
>Area of 33rd and Chestnut
>3700 block Locust Walk
>4000 block Locust Street
>4200 block Locust Street
> 
> Additionally, there has been one similar incident in the vicinity of
> Drexel University, at 35th and Spring Garden Streets. Several young
> males have been arrested in conjunction with one incident occurring 
> in
> the 4200 block of Locust Street.
> 
> The University of Pennsylvania Police Department, working in 
> conjunction
> with the Philadelphia Police Department, as well as Penn Security
> Officers and University City District Safety Ambassadors, have 
> increased
> police and security patrols in University City. Both covert and 
> overt
> police patrols are being used. Additionally, the Division of Public
> Safety is utilizing virtual video patrols in the targeted areas.
> 
> 
> 
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> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, 
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> 
> 
 
 
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Re: [UC] The way he should have handled it, were he not playing CYA so desperately

[Elizabeth F Campion]

Glenn,

I agree with a lot of what you have written.

With two caveats.

1. Frequent posters must be careful when employing fictional devices to
avoid confusing, annoying (without purpose) or unfairly offending
readers.
(You may recall I jumped on you, when one of your posts teetered into
areas I consiedered misogynistic and pornographic.  And, you made a
gracious apology to the list.  I consider this behind us, and only used
it as an example.)

2.  Few on this list are stupid.
Many are brilliant.
I think all posters should give the benefit of the doubt to readers.
Before calling someone "stupid", in digital print, I prefer to imagine
them as distracted or at a different point on a learning curve.

Glenn, I value your passion and your insights, but...
... your tone, volume and quantity often lead me to delete.
I suspect you are making converts for the forces of evil.
;-)
Please moderate your posts, so that folks don't find a way to ban you
from the lists.

Best!
Liz

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:16:58 -0400 "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:

- Original Message - 
From: Elizabeth F Campion 
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] The way he should have handled it, were he not playing
CYA so desperately




Is this a 
"When did you stop beating your kid?" question?

Or just a continuation of a trend that asks a distracting question that
insures that the "guilt" of the person or people who irritate the asker
is a 'given', and...
... that the irritators are presumed "blame"-able for something?
... a reminder that the irratatees have a tight little clique and are
reading from a similar script.

Liz


On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:41:18 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So, Al, are you saying that the Philadelphia candidate, Tom Knox, should
have taken the blame for having John Fenton help out with his political
rally?

Melani Lamond



Liz,
You really understand what is going on here. And you see this "clique"
strategy. Most often, I�ve noticed that it is the group straw man that is
used and becomes so intimidating. It becomes one of the biggest causes of
the list incivility. I�m glad you publicly and accurately questioned this
post.
I need to always ask are these uses of fallacious arguments really based
on extremely poor reading comprehension? Or is this something much more
problematic? Are these strategies actually intentional attempts to
dishonestly obfuscate important issues and destroy any chance for honest
discussion?  Anwser: YES 
Should they be condemned as mean and a huge original source of
incivility? I think civility does not come with fake politeness. Civility
requires an ingenuous attempt at communication by the players.
When the first person on the list does the "misreading" of someone�s
opinion or question, and then another 5 join in the mistake with angry
insulting posts; our neighbors who rarely post must be incredibly
intimidated. Once we all see the pattern, we can see how mean,
destructive, and dishonest the actors are being. Those who engage in
these strategies do risk being exposed at a later time, but for a time on
this list any outside reader saw "the gang" getting away with this
behavior. It was "the free pass" discussed a few months ago.
I was very confused at folks for harshly criticizing some of my clear
fictions because the imagery was crass while remaining silent to the big
obvious destructiveness going on simultaneously. A fiction or satire is
an attempt to make the reader think for him or herself and come to their
own conclusions of the writer's position. 
By its clear fictional nature, an honest fictional effort cannot be used
like the pretense of a non-fictional but actually fallacious argument or
straight out lie. It cannot be as destructive as the deliberate attempt
to deceive and intimidate with these fallacious strategies. Constructing
obvious fiction is always honest, and non-fiction is often fiction that
we sometimes call propaganda or lies.
These mean strategies are designed to make a fool of the target, but once
exposed, as you clearly understand; they have actually made fools of the
writers. It is my opinion, that it becomes very important to challenge
these posts.
If someone seems to honestly make a misreading, I think it would be mean
to respond harshly instead of trying to help clarify. But I assert the
right to use any literary device and the right to pull out all literary
stops against those using these tactics deliberately.  It is an important
way to stand up for free speech.  
If our neighbors are intimidated from participation on this public
communication vehicle, aren't their free speech rights being harmed by
their neighbors with this intimidation
The question should always be the same to the gang. Are you really stupid
with a pathetic level of reading comprehension? Or are you trying to be a
dishonest bully to confuse and intimidate; and win your position by
silencing discussion?  These strategies a

Re: [UC] 46th St Crime Alert

[B Andersen]

I happened to be up at 2:00 am, I saw the group of cabbies milling about
outside our building and I went down. There was something similar that
happened about one block away on Saturday. Check out this post:

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/showthread.php?p=531502#post531502

The one thing I failed to mention is the assault was done by a pair of young
men.

On 7/16/07, edited  wrote:


Wow - how did you find this out?

I actually would like to see if there is a follow-up posting in the
Almanac, as I have been following this and have noticed that some crimes
do not show up...)


B Andersen wrote:
> Last night about about 1:30 am. I taxi driver was assaulted in his cab
at
> 46th & Chester. They tried slashing his throat. Fortunately, he was not
> seriously injured, though he did have to go to HUP for treatment. There
was
> a fleeet of cabs out last night on 46th St between and Chester and
Regent
> occupied by drivers concerned for the diver who was being interviewed by
> the
> PPD and being treated on site.
>

Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!

[KAREN ALLEN]

Glenn,
Just read your post.  No, I don't remember her name or exactly when she met 
with CPN.




From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "KAREN ALLEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:07:55 -0400

Hey Karen,

Do you remember this woman's name and what entity she belonged too?

This resurfacing seems to have upset a lot of people.  It seems to be done 
for no reason.  Of course, the problems with giving notice and towing the 
cars are obviously frustrating.


The Vet school building popping up after we were sold in advance that the 
traffic patterns were the reason for the improvment, I believe, is very 
similar to this new problem.  The suggested outcome turns out to not be an 
improvement and the surprise we receive seems to have been conceived long 
before we were fooled.


It is the same unethical pattern that I have come to expect.  Again, it's 
not just the physical problem that the area is much more dangerous for 
everyone, but the dishonest process by which Penn accomplished this taking 
of the street while treating us poorly.  I know I have an easy going 
attitude and if they had been honest, I probably would have not objected.  
I might have tried to offer suggestions so that the traffic decisions 
wouldn't have been the worst possible choices.  But now, I feel compelled 
to stress that this is another example of dangers that we must not leave 
unchallenged. The precedent is the frightening danger not the new building.


It also shows how deeply Penn's influence stretches into state and local 
government planning even in this area of streets and highways. Sending this 
woman to the civic associations with a misleading presentation is exactly 
the Penn process.  I think if we find this woman; she may know something 
about this decision to do all these district streets instead of using the 
resources in Philadelphia.


I think the people posting about the waste that this street work 
exemplifies are correct.


Glenn


- Original Message - From: "KAREN ALLEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!


Yes, I remember that...a woman from Penn came to a Cedar Park Neighbors 
board meeting sometime in 2002 or 2003 and said the streets were being 
changed to create better traffic patterns.  She didn't say anything about 
Penn acquiring the land for the Vet School.





From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars!  Fight the conspiracy!

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:12:21 -0400

Rememember, the transfer of the eastern end of Baltimore Ave to Penn 
School of Vetrinary >Medicine.  Sure, we were told it was all done to 
make the traffic patterns better at the VA >hospital.  A lot of people on 
the list claimed that that was a lie and the whole project was to turn 
>over Baltimore Ave for the Penn expansion.




Your buddy,
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Re: [UC] Public safety alert from Penn police

[Isabel Lugo]

Liz,

you may be right, but the Penn patrol zone only goes as far west as 43rd.

Isabel

On 7/16/07, Elizabeth F Campion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm always telling Buyers and Renters that it is safer WEST of 44th.
Thanks for making my point.

:-)
Liz


On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:34 -0400 "Kyle Cassidy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Dated last Friday -- just hit my desk this morning. Stay safe
> neighbors.
>
>
>
>
> Relevant excerpt:
>
> There has been an increase in groups (3-8 members) of young male
> juveniles, ranging from 9 - 13 years of age, who are walking through
> the
> University City area, and are harassing, assaulting and/or robbing
> both
> male and female residents and/or Penn students and staff. There have
> been six incidents, since July 3rd in the Penn patrol zone,
> occurring
> from 4:30pm - 12:30am in the following locations:
>Area of 33rd and Chestnut
>3700 block Locust Walk
>4000 block Locust Street
>4200 block Locust Street
>
> Additionally, there has been one similar incident in the vicinity of
> Drexel University, at 35th and Spring Garden Streets. Several young
> males have been arrested in conjunction with one incident occurring
> in
> the 4200 block of Locust Street.
>
> The University of Pennsylvania Police Department, working in
> conjunction
> with the Philadelphia Police Department, as well as Penn Security
> Officers and University City District Safety Ambassadors, have
> increased
> police and security patrols in University City. Both covert and
> overt
> police patrols are being used. Additionally, the Division of Public
> Safety is utilizing virtual video patrols in the targeted areas.
>
>
> 
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> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information,
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[UC] tree roots/pavement

[david schreiner]

Could anyone recommend a company for tree root cutting/pavement replacement?  
Maybe this is two different services, but hopefully not.

Thanks

   
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[UC] Free 5-gallon plastic buckets

[Krfapt]

We have a lot of 5-gallon plastic buckets (from joint compound, paint,  etc). 
Home Depot sells these (in orange) for $4 or $5.
 
There're useful for a lot of things -- carrying tools, recycling,  etc.
 
We'll put a bunch of them on the curb just south of 205 S 45th Street late  
this afternoon.
 
If anyone wants some, come and get them.
 
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Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!

[MLamond]

 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2007 11:13:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Glenn,
Just read your post.  No, I don't remember her name or  exactly when she met 
with CPN.
 

Karen, I don't remember this particular visit to CPN, though I was on the  
board then, but I do remember that a woman from Glenn Bryan's office came  to a 
few of our CPN board meetings at about that time, to talk about  various 
things.  I think that was our Penn contact - the woman who worked  with Glenn 
Bryan.
 
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[UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[KAREN ALLEN]

From: "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [UC] A UCD world record
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:21:52 -0400


Though I've admonished others for speculating, it makes sense to me that 
Councilwoman >Blackwell asked John to help out at a neighborhood picnic and 
he did, because they've helped out >at neighborhood picnics and block 
parties before and it's one of the nice things that UCD does. >And later 
that afternoon, knowing that there were going to be people there, she 
brought Tom >Knox by; campaigning politicians are drawn to a crowd. That 
series of events makes sense to me >and, I don't think, conflicts with any 
of the evidence. I certainly don't think John would have done >anything he 
knew to be unethical.


One thing I would like to know, which we probably never will, is "what does 
_set up the rally_ >mean?" does it mean they set up a moon bounce and then 
when Tom Knox shows up later that >day, the moon bounce changed from part 
of a neighborhood picnic to part of a campaign rally? Or >does it mean they 
put Knox signs in the ground and handed out flyers? One's obviously 
unethical >or even illegal, and the other, though I'm not a lawyer, seems a 
lot grayer.  All of this seems to >hinge on that question and we have 
precious little evidence to go on. But, it's all behind us now >and I don't 
know we're getting anywhere constantly going over something that's over and 
has >worked itself out.


kc


Kyle,
Your "speculation" comes closest to what I believe actually happened.  After 
all, that was the Saturday before Election Day, where politicians were 
visiting all sorts of public community events. I personally saw Jannie and 
Tom Knox at the Spruce Hill May Fair that same day, and saw or heard people 
talk about other candidates appearing there.  Plus, campaign posters were in 
almost every public space leading up to Election Day, and Malcolm X Park was 
no exception.  None of that meant that John was responsible for whatever led 
the student to make the accusation that he did.


But, it's all behind us now and I don't know we're getting anywhere 
constantly going over >something that's over and has worked itself out.


Except that now John Fenton's reputation has been damaged despite the fact 
that there is a plausible second explanation for the events. Was this an 
honest mistake?  Were there so many ovelapping events going on in the park 
that day that it was hard to tell exactly what he was being asked to assist 
with?  Was this like any number of prior events he had been asked to assist 
with without controversy?


Everyone treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose cannon 
employee that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing.   Once heat was placed 
on UCD, they dropped  their once-model employee like a hot potato.  Even 
people who praised John to the hilt when he could be used as pro-NID 
propaganda were the first to turn their backs on him and condemn him as 
guilty as soon as the allegations came to light.


Within days of the allegation, John was suspended and all of the locks at 
UCD were changed, pending an entirely in-house "investigation". It's not 
clear who conducted the investigation, who was questioned, whether the 
persons investigating or being questioned had some ax to grind against John, 
wanted his job, or some such, or whether witnesses who had been at Malcolm X 
Park were questioned. Three weeks after the initial suspension, and one day 
after Jannie Blackwell publicly ripped into UCD, UCD issued a press release 
stating that John was obstructing the investigation.  Finally, UCD issued a 
statement concluding that John Fenton violated various UCD rules, but 
without stating any facts that supported the conclusions.  Oh, and 
confidentiality rules prevented any discussion of what those facts could be.


For those of you who may not see any problem with what I'm saying, just 
substitute "George Bush" " Dick Cheney" and "Iraq", "US Attorneys", or 
"Scooter Libby"  for the facts in this case, and then tell me whether you 
would trust the outcome of such an "investigation".


Now that the so-called investigation is over, it's now being treated as 
irrefutable fact that John Fenton was some kind of dangerous rogue employee 
who was only pretending to be efficient, effective and concerned about his 
job and the community.  Boy, he sure had us fooled, didn't he?


John Fenton was royally screwed.

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RE: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[Kyle Cassidy]

>Kyle,
>Your "speculation" comes closest to what I believe actually happened.  
>After all, that was the Saturday before Election Day, where 
>politicians were visiting all sorts of public community events. I 
>personally saw Jannie and Tom Knox at the Spruce Hill May Fair that 
>same day, and saw or heard people talk about other candidates appearing

>there.  Plus, campaign posters were in almost every public space
leading 
>up to Election Day, and Malcolm X Park was no exception.  None of that 
>meant that John was responsible for whatever led the student to make 
>the accusation that he did.

It makes sense to me -- everybody's telling the truth, things get blown
out of proportion by the media, nobody asks the important questions
Being an armchair investigator, it seems to me it could have all been
cleared up with a few phone calls. Call the Penn students, "what do you
mean exactly by 'set up for a knox event?' call Jannie, call the
church But there was a fierce firestorm boiling around UCD at the
time. We'll never know why those decisions were made but I do recall
people posting to the list that UCD was just going to "sweep it under
the rug" and cover it up. I suspect some of their actions might have
been a reaction to that. 

>Was this like any number of prior events he had been asked to assist 
>with without controversy?

I've definitely seen John gleefully grilling burgers at other events,
surrounded by happy and uncomplaining admirers.

>John Fenton was royally screwed.

John is extremely employable and I suspect he may get quickly snatched
out of his current job by someone who needs an energetic go-getter. So,
everybody, get your requests for city services in quick!

Kyle


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Re: [UC] tree roots/pavement

[Margie Politzer]

> David,
> 
> Tree root cutting is tricky business. The life of the tree is very much on the
> balance. I¹ve seen a number of trees killed by root cutting.  I would not have
> a pavement contractor perform this operation, even if they say they know what
> they are doing. 
> 
> Use only a qualified arborist such as John Cox 610-664-2340. There are many
> other arborists recommended by members on this list. I can¹t recommend a
> pavement contractor.
> 
> Margie
> 
> 
> 
> Could anyone recommend a company for tree root cutting/pavement replacement?
> Maybe this is two different services, but hopefully not.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>   
> 
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[UC] RE: plastic bag recycling redux thinking greener from my neighbor...

[Jennifer Horner]

I just visited Northampton, MA where a homeowner can pay for city
garbage services OR hire an independent garbage removal firm called the
Pedal People who collect all your separated stuff (recyclables, compost,
and regular "trash") using bicycles with large wagons attached
http://www.pedalpeople.com/

Yes, Philadelphia is not western Mass and never could be but I thought
this was pretty awesome. My friend says she is motivated to buy stuff
with less packaging so as not to overburden the pedal people.

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vivianne T.
Nachmias
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:33 PM
To: pfsni; univcity@list.purple.com
Subject: Fwd: plastic bag recycling redux thinking greener from my
neighbor...

 

 





from a U. City resident;





Just heard from my son in Bay Area:

 

Styrofoam is outlawed by fast food places

Plastic bags will be outlawed soon-- as our city council is planning on
it.

 

Recycling is not mandatory, but we all pay for our garbage.  The

more garbage you have you pay more, so you are encouraged to

recycle.  Plus, the bay area is naturally inclined to do this.

 

Recycling is picked up every week and they too have special cans for
special things... like my daughter's experience in Long Beach CA.

 

IN SAN FRANCISO, ANOTHER MEMO...

My son lives in the bay area...but he did confirm that SF has done away
with plastic bags

 

IMAGINE LIVING WITHOUT PLASTIC BAGS, OR WITHOUT ANY NEW ONES!

 

my tree would be happy  Vivianne

 

PS this is the end of this harangue... but hope for a few converts!!



  

 

 

 

 

 





 

 

On Jul 15, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:





 

 

Begin forwarded message:





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: July 15, 2007 10:55:07 AM EDT

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: plastic bag recycling redux thinking greener

 

VIVIAN!
HOWARD DOES MOST OF THE SHOPPING
AND 
SINCE HE MOVED TO CA
HE NEVER LEAVES THE HOUSE WITHOUT
A BIG
CANVAS BAG
I NEVER OBSERVED ANNETTE
HOWEVER BERKELEY HAS ALWAYS 
BEEN AHEAD OF US
THEY HAVE A SEPARATE  THASH CAN LABELED ALL GREEN CUTTINGS
LEAVES ETC.
SYL




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[UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

[Ross Bender]

On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his summers as
a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of the
Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a Mennonite
history moment]

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml  [Act
3]

--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 7/16/2007 12:42:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Everyone  treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose cannon 
employee  that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing. 


I beg to disagree with the word "everyone."
 
Many of us reserved judgement on whether there was any wrongdoing at all,  
let alone who was responsible.
 
There was supposed to be an "internal investigation" -- of which neither  the 
methodology nor the conclusions have been released. So all we have to go on  
is what Wendell Lewis said in his initial prepared statement and later in his  
e-mail interview with the UCReview. And the statements in the interview  
certainly call into question:
1.  Whether the allegations made had any basis in fact, or -- if they did 
--  to what extent; 
2.  The degree to which any actual blame should have been shouldered by 
the  nominal CEO for an organizational culture and framework that didn't  
provide direction as to what was an wasn't proper -- where there was and  
wasn't a 
policy -- and whether the need for such a thing could reasonably have  been 
anticipated beforehand. 
3.  Whether Councilwoman Blackwell, who any thoughtful person would know 
was  in contact with John, could have been called upon to mediate between UCD 
and  John.
So, was there wrongdoing? And if so, who should bear the responsibility?  
Maybe some people who, for their own reasons, want to absolve "UCD" as an  
organization want to find a scapegoat and let the rest of them walk away clean. 
 
Many of us haven't distorted the concept of American Justice anywhere near this 
 
badly.
 
 
Al  Krigman
Left of Barry Goldwater (but not by  much)



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RE: [UC] Public safety alert from Penn police

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

Come on Liz, you know for various legal and ethical reasons, real estate
agents aren't supposed to talk 
about certain details of a neighborhood, like demographics or crime
rates.
 
Many of us in the community for years asked Penn to stop saying the
opposite, leading students to think
crime was worse the farther out you lived. 
 
Based on reports from police, postings on this list and others, the
crime stats are becoming more similar 
below 43rd (with a higher under-grad student population) and above 43rd
(with a more owner-occupant population), 
we are still looking at burglaries, muggings, car break-ins, stolen
bikes, rapes, items stolen from porches and 
yards, and  smash-n-grabs in retail stores. 
 
There are more vice-related incidents of drug sales and prostitution
above 43rd Street.
 
S
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth F Campion
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:00 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Public safety alert from Penn police
 
 
I'm always telling Buyers and Renters that it is safer WEST of 44th.
Thanks for making my point.
 
:-)
Liz
 
 
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:34 -0400 "Kyle Cassidy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Dated last Friday -- just hit my desk this morning. Stay safe 
> neighbors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Relevant excerpt:
> 
> There has been an increase in groups (3-8 members) of young male
> juveniles, ranging from 9 - 13 years of age, who are walking through 
> the
> University City area, and are harassing, assaulting and/or robbing 
> both
> male and female residents and/or Penn students and staff. There have
> been six incidents, since July 3rd in the Penn patrol zone, 
> occurring
> from 4:30pm - 12:30am in the following locations:
>Area of 33rd and Chestnut
>3700 block Locust Walk
>4000 block Locust Street
>4200 block Locust Street
> 
> Additionally, there has been one similar incident in the vicinity of
> Drexel University, at 35th and Spring Garden Streets. Several young
> males have been arrested in conjunction with one incident occurring 
> in
> the 4200 block of Locust Street.
> 
> The University of Pennsylvania Police Department, working in 
> conjunction
> with the Philadelphia Police Department, as well as Penn Security
> Officers and University City District Safety Ambassadors, have 
> increased
> police and security patrols in University City. Both covert and 
> overt
> police patrols are being used. Additionally, the Division of Public
> Safety is utilizing virtual video patrols in the targeted areas.
> 
> 
> 
> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the
> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, 
> see
> .
> 
> 
 
 
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Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[Wilma de Soto]

Sweeping this entire incident under the rug in the guise if "it's being over
and done with", does nothing to address the collateral damage done to John
Fenton, whom I sincerely feel never acted alone in any services he did for
the UCD.

He did all he could for that organization honestly and competently, as he is
now doing for Jannie Blackwell's Office.

Those of us who have dealt with Mr. Fenton, would not have classified him as
a "loose cannon" when he was part of the UCD.

Politics and money are quite another matter.

To quote the title from one of my favorite books on language, "When A Loose
Cannon Beats A Dead Horse, There's The Devil To Pay!".

...and so it goes.

Wilma


On 7/16/07 12:40 PM, "KAREN ALLEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> From: "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: [UC] A UCD world record
>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:21:52 -0400
>> 
>> 
>> Though I've admonished others for speculating, it makes sense to me that
>> Councilwoman >Blackwell asked John to help out at a neighborhood picnic and
>> he did, because they've helped out >at neighborhood picnics and block
>> parties before and it's one of the nice things that UCD does. >And later
>> that afternoon, knowing that there were going to be people there, she
>> brought Tom >Knox by; campaigning politicians are drawn to a crowd. That
>> series of events makes sense to me >and, I don't think, conflicts with any
>> of the evidence. I certainly don't think John would have done >anything he
>> knew to be unethical.
>> 
>> One thing I would like to know, which we probably never will, is "what does
>> _set up the rally_ >mean?" does it mean they set up a moon bounce and then
>> when Tom Knox shows up later that >day, the moon bounce changed from part
>> of a neighborhood picnic to part of a campaign rally? Or >does it mean they
>> put Knox signs in the ground and handed out flyers? One's obviously
>> unethical >or even illegal, and the other, though I'm not a lawyer, seems a
>> lot grayer.  All of this seems to >hinge on that question and we have
>> precious little evidence to go on. But, it's all behind us now >and I don't
>> know we're getting anywhere constantly going over something that's over and
>> has >worked itself out.
>> 
>> kc
> 
> Kyle,
> Your "speculation" comes closest to what I believe actually happened.  After
> all, that was the Saturday before Election Day, where politicians were
> visiting all sorts of public community events. I personally saw Jannie and
> Tom Knox at the Spruce Hill May Fair that same day, and saw or heard people
> talk about other candidates appearing there.  Plus, campaign posters were in
> almost every public space leading up to Election Day, and Malcolm X Park was
> no exception.  None of that meant that John was responsible for whatever led
> the student to make the accusation that he did.
> 
>> But, it's all behind us now and I don't know we're getting anywhere
>> constantly going over >something that's over and has worked itself out.
> 
> Except that now John Fenton's reputation has been damaged despite the fact
> that there is a plausible second explanation for the events. Was this an
> honest mistake?  Were there so many ovelapping events going on in the park
> that day that it was hard to tell exactly what he was being asked to assist
> with?  Was this like any number of prior events he had been asked to assist
> with without controversy?
> 
> Everyone treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose cannon
> employee that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing.   Once heat was placed
> on UCD, they dropped  their once-model employee like a hot potato.  Even
> people who praised John to the hilt when he could be used as pro-NID
> propaganda were the first to turn their backs on him and condemn him as
> guilty as soon as the allegations came to light.
> 
> Within days of the allegation, John was suspended and all of the locks at
> UCD were changed, pending an entirely in-house "investigation". It's not
> clear who conducted the investigation, who was questioned, whether the
> persons investigating or being questioned had some ax to grind against John,
> wanted his job, or some such, or whether witnesses who had been at Malcolm X
> Park were questioned. Three weeks after the initial suspension, and one day
> after Jannie Blackwell publicly ripped into UCD, UCD issued a press release
> stating that John was obstructing the investigation.  Finally, UCD issued a
> statement concluding that John Fenton violated various UCD rules, but
> without stating any facts that supported the conclusions.  Oh, and
> confidentiality rules prevented any discussion of what those facts could be.
> 
> For those of you who may not see any problem with what I'm saying, just
> substitute "George Bush" " Dick Cheney" and "Iraq", "US Attorneys", or
> "Scooter Libby"  for the facts in this case, and then tell me whether you
> would trust the outcome of such an "investigation".
> 
> Now that the so-called investi

Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

[Anthony West]

We are talking about P. Diddy here, Ross, or is this some other Diddy?

-- Tony

Ross Bender wrote:
On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his 
summers as a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of 
the Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a 
Mennonite history moment]
 
http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml  
[Act 3]




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Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[Anthony West]

Amen, brother.

Surprising how, in this neighborhood of know-it-alls (to which company 
both Al and I surely belong), how few people are prepared to say simply, 
"I wasn't there. I don't have access to the primary facts at this time 
and, since it is a personnel matter, I probably never will."


Personally, I don't expect we ever will know the inner workings of this 
personnel issue. Across America, a worker is fired every 8.6 seconds. 
All right, I'm making that statistic up. But some indeterminate number 
"X" is true. 95% of the time, "procedures were followed". Does that mean 
"justice was done"? Hah; if you think that, you have never been in the 
labor market.


Myself, I have fired and I have been fired. Both are part of the great 
circle of life. The primary goal for both parties, most of the time, is 
to move on in a way that is least injurious to both parties. 
Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in divorces: 
sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable. Those who feed the fires of 
blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or employee; 
they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the situation for 
motives of their own.


-- Tony West

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/16/2007 12:42:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Everyone treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose
cannon
employee that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing. 


I beg to disagree with the word "everyone."
 
Many of us reserved judgement on whether there was any wrongdoing at 
all, let alone who was responsible.
 
There was supposed to be an "internal investigation" -- of which 
neither the methodology nor the conclusions have been released.


Al Krigman

Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

[Ross Bender]

This is indeed P. Diddy, formerly known as Puff Daddy, now simply Diddy.

On 7/16/07, Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


We are talking about P. Diddy here, Ross, or is this some other Diddy?

-- Tony

Ross Bender wrote:
> On the Letterman Late show on July 11, Diddy reminisced about his
> summers as a Fresh-Air Kid on an Amish farm. Yet another instance of
> the Amish/Mennonite contribution to American culture. [this has been a
> Mennonite history moment]
>
> http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/wahoo/index/php/20070711.phtml
> [Act 3]



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Re: [UC] Public safety alert from Penn police

[Elizabeth F Campion]

But these crimes seem to be occurring inside the zone.
H?
Faulty logic, but is there a correlation?

Or maybe good neighbors and watchful volunteers are actually create more
security than the Penn Patrol?

Liz



On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:22:50 -0400 "Isabel Lugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Liz,
> 
> you may be right, but the Penn patrol zone only goes as far west as 
> 43rd.
> 
> Isabel
> 
> On 7/16/07, Elizabeth F Campion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm always telling Buyers and Renters that it is safer WEST of 
> 44th.
> > Thanks for making my point.
> >
> > :-)
> > Liz
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:34 -0400 "Kyle Cassidy"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > Dated last Friday -- just hit my desk this morning. Stay safe
> > > neighbors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Relevant excerpt:
> > >
> > > There has been an increase in groups (3-8 members) of young 
> male
> > > juveniles, ranging from 9 - 13 years of age, who are walking 
> through
> > > the
> > > University City area, and are harassing, assaulting and/or 
> robbing
> > > both
> > > male and female residents and/or Penn students and staff. There 
> have
> > > been six incidents, since July 3rd in the Penn patrol zone,
> > > occurring
> > > from 4:30pm - 12:30am in the following locations:
> > >Area of 33rd and Chestnut
> > >3700 block Locust Walk
> > >4000 block Locust Street
> > >4200 block Locust Street
> > >
> > > Additionally, there has been one similar incident in the 
> vicinity of
> > > Drexel University, at 35th and Spring Garden Streets. Several 
> young
> > > males have been arrested in conjunction with one incident 
> occurring
> > > in
> > > the 4200 block of Locust Street.
> > >
> > > The University of Pennsylvania Police Department, working in
> > > conjunction
> > > with the Philadelphia Police Department, as well as Penn 
> Security
> > > Officers and University City District Safety Ambassadors, have
> > > increased
> > > police and security patrols in University City. Both covert and
> > > overt
> > > police patrols are being used. Additionally, the Division of 
> Public
> > > Safety is utilizing virtual video patrols in the targeted areas.
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the
> > > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive 
> information,
> > > see
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Elizabeth Campion   Cell Phone: 
> 215-880-2930
> > 215-546-0550 Main, -546-9871 fax,  Desk + VM: 215-790-5653
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Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

[Anthony West]

Thank you for keeping me up to date on the latest currents in popular 
culture, Ross. It is why we English keep the Plain Folk around, as far 
as I'm concerned. Throw Poppa down the stairs his iPod, vunscht.


-- Tony West

Ross Bender wrote:

This is indeed P. Diddy, formerly known as Puff Daddy, now simply Diddy.

On 7/16/07, *Anthony West* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


We are talking about P. Diddy here, Ross, or is this some other Diddy?

RE: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

WTF TONY!
 
"Myself, I have fired and I have been fired. Both are part of the great
circle of life. The primary goal for both parties, most of the time, is
to move on in a way that is least injurious to both parties.
Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in divorces:
sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable. Those who feed the fires of
blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or employee;
they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the situation for
motives of their own"
-- Tony West
 
S. Ali:
I really don't think it is a fair assessment to say "Those who feed the
fires of blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or
employee; they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the
situation for motives of their own". This is the precise bullshit folks
have been saying to me off-list suggesting by defending John's wrongful
termination I personally wanted Lewis Wendell's job!  The fact I could
do it better never was a motivation!  ;-)
 
Fighting injustice is a noble pursuit. In this case, it is not just
about John Fenton, it is about the UCD service delivery to our
community, our civil rights as residents, and much more. 


Tony writes: "Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in
divorces: sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable."   
 
There are human resource departments in companies all over America who
represent the rights of employees in wrongful terminations, there are
unions and hearings set up for fact-finding. Did you notice, there was
never a mention of a "human resource department" review of John's case?
Just where was John's recourse? Who represented John against management?
 
Hell, I wasn't joking when I asked Lewis Wendell "Would you suspend
other employees based on allegations in the press?"  I wasn't joking
when I said "Who would want to work for the UCD?". Their running the UCD
like it is just another corrupt family business! Based on the way I have
seen folks leave the organization in the past, Greg Montanaro, Paul
Steinke, DL-Wormley to name just a few, I have been more than suspect of
the UCD management and Board.
 
To stand by and condone injustice is giving an invitation for it to
visit you at your door. I simply believe it is wrong to suggest lawyers,
courts, and individuals who protest injustice are exploiting the
situation for purely selfish reasons.
 
I truly believe those who died in the civil rights struggle in America
did so for the benefit of future generations.
 
 
S
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:49 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]
 
Amen, brother.

Surprising how, in this neighborhood of know-it-alls (to which company
both Al and I surely belong), how few people are prepared to say simply,
"I wasn't there. I don't have access to the primary facts at this time
and, since it is a personnel matter, I probably never will."

Personally, I don't expect we ever will know the inner workings of this
personnel issue. Across America, a worker is fired every 8.6 seconds.
All right, I'm making that statistic up. But some indeterminate number
"X" is true. 95% of the time, "procedures were followed". Does that mean
"justice was done"? Hah; if you think that, you have never been in the
labor market.

Myself, I have fired and I have been fired. Both are part of the great
circle of life. The primary goal for both parties, most of the time, is
to move on in a way that is least injurious to both parties.
Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in divorces:
sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable. Those who feed the fires of
blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or employee;
they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the situation for
motives of their own.

-- Tony West

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
In a message dated 7/16/2007 12:42:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everyone treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose cannon 
employee that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing. 
I beg to disagree with the word "everyone."
 
Many of us reserved judgement on whether there was any wrongdoing at
all, let alone who was responsible.
 
There was supposed to be an "internal investigation" -- of which neither
the methodology nor the conclusions have been released. 
 
Al Krigman

Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript

[Anthony West]

Sharrieff,

Whoa, where did all this outsized font suddenly come from? I can't make 
it go away. It's hard to read. Is this my computer's problem or yours?


If somebody knows a better way of firing people than all the firings I 
have seen, I'm all for it. Let them lay it on the table when the table 
is cleared. It's just that I don't know this way. More power to those 
who do. Let them enlighten us.


In the meantime -- I know nothing and I judge nobody.

-- Tony West

S. Sharrieff Ali wrote:

WTF TONY!
 
"Myself, I have fired and I have been fired. Both are part of the 
great circle of life. The primary goal for both parties, most of the 
time, is to move on in a way that is least injurious to both parties. 
Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in divorces: 
sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable. Those who feed the fires of 
blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or employee; 
they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the situation for 
motives of their own"

-- Tony West
 
S. Ali:
I really don't think it is a fair assessment to say "Those who feed 
the fires of blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer 
or employee; they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the 
situation for motives of their own". This is the precise bullshit 
folks have been saying to me off-list suggesting by defending John's 
wrongful termination I personally wanted Lewis Wendell's job!  The 
fact I could do it better never was a motivation!  ;-)
 
Fighting injustice is a noble pursuit. In this case, it is not just 
about John Fenton, it is about the UCD service delivery to our 
community, our civil rights as residents, and much more.



Tony writes: "Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing 
in divorces: sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable."  
 
There are human resource departments in companies all over America who 
represent the rights of employees in wrongful terminations, there are 
unions and hearings set up for fact-finding. Did you notice, there was 
never a mention of a "human resource department" review of John's 
case?  Just where was John's recourse? Who represented John against 
management?
 
Hell, I wasn't joking when I asked Lewis Wendell "Would you suspend 
other employees based on allegations in the press?"  I wasn't joking 
when I said "Who would want to work for the UCD?". Their running the 
UCD like it is just another corrupt family business! Based on the way 
I have seen folks leave the organization in the past, Greg Montanaro, 
Paul Steinke, DL-Wormley to name just a few, I have been more than 
suspect of the UCD management and Board.
 
To stand by and condone injustice is giving an invitation for it to 
visit you at your door. I simply believe it is wrong to suggest 
lawyers, courts, and individuals who protest injustice are exploiting 
the situation for purely selfish reasons.
 
I truly believe those who died in the civil rights struggle in America 
did so for the benefit of future generations.

FW: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

[S. Sharrieff Ali]

 
 
-Original Message-
From: S. Sharrieff Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:06 PM
To: 'Anthony West'; 'UnivCity@list.purple.com'
Subject: RE: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]
 
WTF TONY!
 
"Myself, I have fired and I have been fired. Both are part of the great
circle of life. The primary goal for both parties, most of the time, is
to move on in a way that is least injurious to both parties.
Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in divorces:
sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable. Those who feed the fires of
blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or employee;
they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the situation for
motives of their own"
-- Tony West
 
S. Ali:
I really don't think it is a fair assessment to say "Those who feed the
fires of blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or
employee; they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the
situation for motives of their own". This is the precise bullshit folks
have been saying to me off-list suggesting by defending John's wrongful
termination I personally wanted Lewis Wendell's job!  The fact I could
do it better never was a motivation!  ;-)
 
Fighting injustice is a noble pursuit. In this case, it is not just
about John Fenton, it is about the UCD service delivery to our
community, our civil rights as residents, and much more. 


Tony writes: "Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in
divorces: sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable."   
 
There are human resource departments in companies all over America who
represent the rights of employees in wrongful terminations, there are
unions and hearings set up for fact-finding. Did you notice, there was
never a mention of a "human resource department" review of John's case?
Just where was John's recourse? Who represented John against management?
 
Hell, I wasn't joking when I asked Lewis Wendell "Would you suspend
other employees based on allegations in the press?"  I wasn't joking
when I said "Who would want to work for the UCD?". Their running the UCD
like it is just another corrupt family business! Based on the way I have
seen folks leave the organization in the past, Greg Montanaro, Paul
Steinke, DL-Wormley to name just a few, I have been more than suspect of
the UCD management and Board.
 
To stand by and condone injustice is giving an invitation for it to
visit you at your door. I simply believe it is wrong to suggest lawyers,
courts, and individuals who protest injustice are exploiting the
situation for purely selfish reasons.
 
I truly believe those who died in the civil rights struggle in America
did so for the benefit of future generations.
 
 
S
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:49 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]
 
Amen, brother.

Surprising how, in this neighborhood of know-it-alls (to which company
both Al and I surely belong), how few people are prepared to say simply,
"I wasn't there. I don't have access to the primary facts at this time
and, since it is a personnel matter, I probably never will."

Personally, I don't expect we ever will know the inner workings of this
personnel issue. Across America, a worker is fired every 8.6 seconds.
All right, I'm making that statistic up. But some indeterminate number
"X" is true. 95% of the time, "procedures were followed". Does that mean
"justice was done"? Hah; if you think that, you have never been in the
labor market.

Myself, I have fired and I have been fired. Both are part of the great
circle of life. The primary goal for both parties, most of the time, is
to move on in a way that is least injurious to both parties.
Blame-placing in job terminations is like blame-placing in divorces:
sometimes necessary, but seldom desirable. Those who feed the fires of
blame are unlikely to be true friends of either employer or employee;
they turn out to be third parties who are exploiting the situation for
motives of their own.

-- Tony West

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
In a message dated 7/16/2007 12:42:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everyone treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose cannon 
employee that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing. 
I beg to disagree with the word "everyone."
 
Many of us reserved judgement on whether there was any wrongdoing at
all, let alone who was responsible.
 
There was supposed to be an "internal investigation" -- of which neither
the methodology nor the conclusions have been released. 
 
Al Krigman

[UC] Re: Make a difference - Take Back the Tap!

[Anthony West]

Philadelphia tap water regularly wins championship marks among municipal 
water systems for the purity and safety of its water. It derives its 
water from the local groundwater of Eastern Pennsylvania, which I find 
delicious. It's delicious when it comes out of a spring and bottled by 
Wissahickon, and it's also delicious when it flows downstream and comes 
out of a Philadelphia citizen's tap.


The only thing you're ever likely to run into with Philly tapwater is an 
occasional chlorine smell, if the system was concerned about an 
attractive condition for bacterial contamination. (If the Perrier Co. 
experiences a similar potential-contamination condition, it  won't 
tell you,  won't do anything and  will charge you more for its 
water, without additives, than Coke will for its water with additives. 
More money for marketing hype!)


If you are disturbed by a temporary chlorine smell, chill your tapwater. 
Heating water brings out the chlorine odor dramatically; chilling it 
makes the odor go away. Chlorine is not a contaminant; it is a treatment 
agent harmless at low doses.


I am increasingly disturbed by the shameless marketing of the earth's 
most basic resource, water. I find in local stores water that has been 
shipped in fossil-fuel-based containers from 8,000 miles from Fiji, 
burning fossil fuels all the way. And the end result is a Philadelphian 
drinks water from Fiji instead of water from Philadelphia. What 
damaging, earth-hating baloney! Let us all resolve to drink local water, 
starting today. Forget all the silly marketing hype about bottled water, 
wherein private capitalists rely on you to believe them without checking 
a word of their facts, ever, when they disparage municipal water.


-- Tony West

Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:
bottled water is usually transported of course using gasoline!  to 
faraway, e.g. Maine water to us or the south, Appalachian water to the 
north, etc. as probably it seems purer if from some far off country
place... (one guy up north, started a toxic waste dump, and just put 
it on his meadow, hence it went into the ground water in that bit of 
country..)


actually PHILA water is very careflly monitored and only might be 
dangerous right after a heavy storm, when the sewer system gets 
overloaded... but it tastes better MUCH after boiling, we find.




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Re: [UC] Re: Make a difference - Take Back the Tap!

[Isabel Lugo]

I'm reading this in gmail.  As you may know, gmail is supported by advertising.

I am currently seeing a link to fijiwater.com.  I won't go there,
because I went there this morning while writing a post in my blog in
which I lamented this exact same thing.

I understand why people buy bottled water, for convenience.
Basically, you're paying for the bottle.  But I can't see why it makes
sense to buy water that comes from eight thousand miles away!  Water's
the same everywhere.

On 7/16/07, Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Philadelphia tap water regularly wins championship marks among municipal
water systems for the purity and safety of its water. It derives its
water from the local groundwater of Eastern Pennsylvania, which I find
delicious. It's delicious when it comes out of a spring and bottled by
Wissahickon, and it's also delicious when it flows downstream and comes
out of a Philadelphia citizen's tap.

The only thing you're ever likely to run into with Philly tapwater is an
occasional chlorine smell, if the system was concerned about an
attractive condition for bacterial contamination. (If the Perrier Co.
experiences a similar potential-contamination condition, it  won't
tell you,  won't do anything and  will charge you more for its
water, without additives, than Coke will for its water with additives.
More money for marketing hype!)

If you are disturbed by a temporary chlorine smell, chill your tapwater.
Heating water brings out the chlorine odor dramatically; chilling it
makes the odor go away. Chlorine is not a contaminant; it is a treatment
agent harmless at low doses.

I am increasingly disturbed by the shameless marketing of the earth's
most basic resource, water. I find in local stores water that has been
shipped in fossil-fuel-based containers from 8,000 miles from Fiji,
burning fossil fuels all the way. And the end result is a Philadelphian
drinks water from Fiji instead of water from Philadelphia. What
damaging, earth-hating baloney! Let us all resolve to drink local water,
starting today. Forget all the silly marketing hype about bottled water,
wherein private capitalists rely on you to believe them without checking
a word of their facts, ever, when they disparage municipal water.

-- Tony West

Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:
> bottled water is usually transported of course using gasoline!  to
> faraway, e.g. Maine water to us or the south, Appalachian water to the
> north, etc. as probably it seems purer if from some far off country
> place... (one guy up north, started a toxic waste dump, and just put
> it on his meadow, hence it went into the ground water in that bit of
> country..)
>
> actually PHILA water is very careflly monitored and only might be
> dangerous right after a heavy storm, when the sewer system gets
> overloaded... but it tastes better MUCH after boiling, we find.



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Re: [UC] 46th St Crime Alert

[Anthony West]

The assailant lacked the specialized conflict-resolution skills imparted 
to my son Gabe last season, when he was 13, at Camp Onas, a Quaker 
overnight camp in Upper Bucks Co. Gabe was taught by a camp counselor 
how to slit a throat properly and the trick is simple.


Don't cut the throat itself, from the front. It is thick and muscular 
and makes for homicides which are messy at best and, more often than 
not, failures. William Penn would not approve. Instead, slash the 
arteries that run to the brain, with a swift stroke from under the ear 
to under the jaw. That should do it, and without much pain in the process.


In practising the art of Camp Onas Self-Defense, remember at all times 
its age-old Quaker cheer:


"Fight! fight! inner light!
"Kill, Quakers, kill.
"Knock 'em down. Beat 'em senseless.
Hit 'em till we reach consensus."

-- Tony West

B Andersen wrote:
Last night about about 1:30 am. I taxi driver was assaulted in his cab 
at 46th & Chester. They tried slashing his throat. Fortunately, he was 
not seriously injured, though he did have to go to HUP for treatment. 
There was a fleeet of cabs out last night on 46th St between and 
Chester and Regent occupied by drivers concerned for the diver who was 
being interviewed by the PPD and being treated on site. 




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Re: [UC] Re: Make a difference - Take Back the Tap!

[Frank]

I'm not sure if Dasani (Coca-Cola) and Aquafina (Pepsico) are better  
or worse than the more exitic brands. They are both just filtered  
local tap water with some minerals added to make them "taste" more  
like water and bottled at your local bottling plant. Leave it to the  
big boys to get us to pay for tap water.


Frank

On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Isabel Lugo wrote:

I'm reading this in gmail.  As you may know, gmail is supported by  
advertising.


I am currently seeing a link to fijiwater.com.  I won't go there,
because I went there this morning while writing a post in my blog in
which I lamented this exact same thing.

I understand why people buy bottled water, for convenience.
Basically, you're paying for the bottle.  But I can't see why it makes
sense to buy water that comes from eight thousand miles away!  Water's
the same everywhere.

On 7/16/07, Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Philadelphia tap water regularly wins championship marks among  
municipal

water systems for the purity and safety of its water. It derives its
water from the local groundwater of Eastern Pennsylvania, which I  
find
delicious. It's delicious when it comes out of a spring and  
bottled by
Wissahickon, and it's also delicious when it flows downstream and  
comes

out of a Philadelphia citizen's tap.

The only thing you're ever likely to run into with Philly tapwater  
is an

occasional chlorine smell, if the system was concerned about an
attractive condition for bacterial contamination. (If the Perrier Co.
experiences a similar potential-contamination condition, it  won't
tell you,  won't do anything and  will charge you more for its
water, without additives, than Coke will for its water with  
additives.

More money for marketing hype!)

If you are disturbed by a temporary chlorine smell, chill your  
tapwater.

Heating water brings out the chlorine odor dramatically; chilling it
makes the odor go away. Chlorine is not a contaminant; it is a  
treatment

agent harmless at low doses.

I am increasingly disturbed by the shameless marketing of the earth's
most basic resource, water. I find in local stores water that has  
been

shipped in fossil-fuel-based containers from 8,000 miles from Fiji,
burning fossil fuels all the way. And the end result is a  
Philadelphian

drinks water from Fiji instead of water from Philadelphia. What
damaging, earth-hating baloney! Let us all resolve to drink local  
water,
starting today. Forget all the silly marketing hype about bottled  
water,
wherein private capitalists rely on you to believe them without  
checking

a word of their facts, ever, when they disparage municipal water.

-- Tony West

Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:
> bottled water is usually transported of course using gasoline!  to
> faraway, e.g. Maine water to us or the south, Appalachian water  
to the

> north, etc. as probably it seems purer if from some far off country
> place... (one guy up north, started a toxic waste dump, and just  
put
> it on his meadow, hence it went into the ground water in that  
bit of

> country..)
>
> actually PHILA water is very careflly monitored and only might be
> dangerous right after a heavy storm, when the sewer system gets
> overloaded... but it tastes better MUCH after boiling, we find.



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Re: [UC] John Fenton Postscript [Was: A UCD world record]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everyone  treats as gospel the spin that John Fenton was a loose cannon 
employee  that was solely respnsible for wrongdoing. 



Al Krigman wrote:

I beg to disagree with the word "everyone."
 
Many of us reserved judgement on whether there was any wrongdoing at all,  
let alone who was responsible.
 
There was supposed to be an "internal investigation" -- of which neither  the 
methodology nor the conclusions have been released. So all we have to go on  
is what Wendell Lewis said in his initial prepared statement and later in his  
e-mail interview with the UCReview. And the statements in the interview  
certainly call into question:
1.  Whether the allegations made had any basis in fact, or -- if they did 
--  to what extent; 
2.  The degree to which any actual blame should have been shouldered by 
the  nominal CEO for an organizational culture and framework that didn't  
provide direction as to what was an wasn't proper -- where there was and  wasn't a 
policy -- and whether the need for such a thing could reasonably have  been 
anticipated beforehand. 
3.  Whether Councilwoman Blackwell, who any thoughtful person would know 
was  in contact with John, could have been called upon to mediate between UCD 
and  John.
So, was there wrongdoing? And if so, who should bear the responsibility?  
Maybe some people who, for their own reasons, want to absolve "UCD" as an  
organization want to find a scapegoat and let the rest of them walk away clean.  
Many of us haven't distorted the concept of American Justice anywhere near this  
badly.



karen wrote that 'everyone treats as gospel the spin 
that...' -- ie, she was talking in part about the public's 
perception of what's been published in the papers.


and in this situation we have read various people 
contributing--publicly, in the papers--to this spin:


  - gar joseph describing in the may 16 daily news that 
john fenton had directed penn student luke walker to load a 
truck on friday and to set up for a rally in malcolm x park 
the next day.


  - heather schwedel reporting in the may 24 dp that john 
fenton "was supervising the community service effort" in 
which penn grad students luke walker and jeff doto "were 
instructed to set up for the event, which included t-shirts 
and posters supporting knox's mayoral run."


  - nicole contosa in the may 23 uc review reporting that 
"according to walker, the director of the ucd, lewis 
wendell, 'said he didn't know anything about it,' and that 
the order to set up the rally had come from john fenton"


  - tony west stating in the jun 14 philly public record 
that fenton was "not cooperating" with the investigation.


  - wendell stating in his interview in the jun 27 uc 
review that "john fenton directed the activities of the ucd 
employees and resources as well as the activities of the 
community service and commmunity court workers at the 
malcolm x park event. in addition, the investigation 
determined that he was involved in and directed other 
activities involving a misuse of ucd resources and 
violations of several ucd policies..."



etc. etc.


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Re: [UC] How park planning really works

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Anthony West wrote:
What an odd, and dishonest, way of putting it. More thoroughly and more 
accurately:


Here we are, five years later. Thanks to the Clark Park Partnership's 
Renewal Plan, since 2001 we have been able to get a new tot lot and a 
new older kid's playground installed side by side. Next to to them, 
Labor Day 2007, we'll see a new basketball court replace the beat-up old 
one, which will include state-of-the-art groundwater runoff control for 
43rd Street as an innovative part of its design. These projects 
represent hundreds of thousands of dollars in core infrastructure 
overhaul for a beloved and heavily used, but dilapidated community park, 
that hadn't seen any big investments since 1965. Friends of Clark Park 
holds frequent public meetings whenever any substantive development in 
the Recreation Dept.'s Renewal Plan for Clark Park is afoot; we are now 
amidst a wave of meetings to discuss important changes in the North Park.


Rec Commissioner Victor Richard stated one thing that persuaded him to 
throw his weight behind funding the full cost of the basketball court 
(the Commonwealth grant Rec had wangled came up short) was the existence 
of the Renewal Plan. Big grantors like big plans. Devising the Renewal 
Plan was the smartest thing this community ever did, to try to get its 
fair share of funds from all sources.


Friends of Clark Park Members were disappointed when Fairmount Park 
Commission, responding to Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell's vital 
intercession, took out one tree we didn't want to lose, along with three 
dead trees that were a public danger. But FoCP has planted 100 new trees 
since 2001, so the overall health of the park's urban forest is vastly 
improved.


FoCP members were surprised when UCD reseeded the Bowl. But no sane 
person expects to be in total control of a complex partnership with half 
a dozen major players. Furthermore, nobody is actually *opposed to* 
growing grass in the park, and it wasn't done on the members' dime. So 
the members pitched in to help make the project work.


This year, FoCP will actively facilitate four different groups staging 
concerts in Clark Park, in addition to our own: Best Fest, Clark Park 
Music & Arts, UCD and Woodland Avenue Reunion. We are linked by a web of 
crossover membership, so there is no "us vs. them." Then we go and watch 
all the shows and enjoy them.


FoCP went for 30 years without UCD. Adding UCD to the mix has 
strengthened the hand of park supporters and made it possible for them 
to accomplish more of their own agenda.


UC-list just read two FoCP members, Matt and I, testify with great 
clarity and mutual agreement about the climactic park events of 2002. 
Each of us is better informed than Ray and his now-vanished Lois Lane 
from the Daily Penn of that year. We don't recall co-option because 
neither Matt nor I were co-opted and we haven't witnessed co-option of 
FoCP by anybody since 2002.


Anybody who wants to learn more about any of this will find FoCP 
members, directors and officers easy to reach and easy to talk to in 
person. A lot of times we like to hang out around a table at the Green 
Line. So unless you think meeting with someone in the Green Line is part 
of a sinister plot by hidden powers to rule the world, starting at 43rd 
& Baltimore, do it! Call any of us up and we'll arrange it.


When I said you were befuddled on this subject, Ray, I meant it. I don't 
mean you aren't smart, or don't work hard at your writings. But you 
haven't learned the basics of an issue that you still feel a shrill, 
repetitive, angry urge to pass judgement on.




the ucd's co-option of focp, like any co-option, doesn't 
happen in one fell swoop, it's a process. thanks for 
demonstrating that so nicely here!



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Re: [UC] Re-use, Recycle and Rave

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Elizabeth F Campion wrote:


I had amazing experiences with TRASH this week.

I turned to the computer, to help sort through my altered mental state
and stumbled on a link to some amazing, thought provoking Art.
http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php?id=?view=XXX_09NNN/ 




awesome find, liz.

reminds me a little of this photographic essay:

   http://tinyurl.com/23xtt3


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