Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 9/28/2007 11:56:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Loree  Jones is not in the Streets Department.  She's the Managing  Director. 
 And would someone explain why people are e-mailing her, as if  she can tell 
SEPTA what to do?



Because there was a post from SHCA suggesting that people email her and  
oppose SEPTA. I was merely endorsing that post but noting that people who  
supported SEPTA's position (which I do) could email her, too. And I thought I  
was 
doing both sides a favor by giving the correct email address (the original  
announcement had omitted the "dot" between loree and Jones. Also, you're right  
about her not being in the Streets Dept (she's Managing Director); I misread 
the 
 SHCA post in that regard.
 
Al K
 
PS: It's still timely and a good idea for people to chime in on both sides.  
If nothing else, it will show someone in authority that this is a 
controversial  issue, perhaps worthy of a hearing where alternate 
considerations can be  
discussed, rather than what may or may not be arbitrary and pre-emptive action. 
 So, again, it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 



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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[pmuyehara]

 Please Al.?? Loree Jones is not in the Streets Department.? She's the Managing 
Director.? And would someone explain why people are e-mailing her, as if she 
can tell SEPTA what to do?

Paul
(don't say it)


 


 

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Sent: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave














If anyone wants to email Ms Jones at the Streets Dept (supporting SEPTA or 
the Belgian Block preservation effort), the link posted in the original 
announcement was wrong. It should be [EMAIL PROTECTED]


?


?


?


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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Elliot M. Stern]

The Belgian blocks have functioned for many more years than the  
concrete on Baltimore Avenue will. The problem is not with the  
Belgian blocks, but with the roadbed. The stretch between 43rd and  
45th Streets is particularly bad, because of underlying sewer  
problems, as Bruce Anderson has pointed out. SEPTA has up to now  
avoided working on the Belgian block stretch of Chester Avenue,  
because it has been whining about the cost of careful removal and  
replacement of a superior road surface, ever since historical  
designation.


Elliot

P.S. I've always enjoyed bicycling on well mainted Belgian block road  
surfaces.


On 28 Sep  2007, at 12:31 PM, Mariellen Smith wrote:

You are so right. Those blocks are the worst. They are awful to  
drive on, difficult to bike on, and even sort of annoying to walk  
on. I don't care if they are 'historic looking' or 'charming' or  
whatever. They are barely functional. There is a reason that they  
stopped paving streets with them oh so many years ago. It's time to  
rip them out, pave it over, and move into the 21st Century.


I hate SEPTA as much as the next person, and as a resident of  
Chester Ave., I am inconvenienced and annoyed by this project.  
However, if it will get rid of those hateful blocks, I will have  
something positive to cling to when this project turns into a  
fiasco of poor planning and low expectations, just like everything  
else that SEPTA touches.


-Mariellen

At 08:07 AM 9/28/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Ms Jones:

As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you  
to ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of  
Belgian blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical  
Commission classifies as of "low integrity" anyway -- over the  
needs of the people of West Philadelphia.


The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes  
of damage to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that  
pass over them. More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire  
financial straits and owes it to the people who depend on public  
transit to upgrade its infrastructure in a manner that will  
minimize long-term maintenance costs. Preserving a stretch or two  
of Belgian blocks that is hardly a tourist attraction or a  
destination for middle-school field trips, notwithstanding  
Historical Commission designation as something (nobody ever heard  
of) called a Historic Pavement Thematic District, is too high a  
price to pay for the people who use the roads and -- especially --  
the West Philadelphia trolleys.


Alan Krigman
KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
on-line bulletin board: www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news
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552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Elliot M. Stern]

I'd much rather ride on those Belgian blocks than on the miserable  
concrete Septa's contractors poured when they redid the trolley  
roadbed on Baltimore Avenue. There may be problems with some of the  
blocks, but mostly the problem is that the roadbed is at points in  
very bad condition. At 43th and Chester, for example, I always wonder  
if the roadbed is about to cave in. Al seems to confuse the condition  
of the roadbed with the condition of the Belgian blocks.


Elliot

On 28 Sep  2007, at 8:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear Ms Jones:

As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you  
to ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of  
Belgian blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical  
Commission classifies as of "low integrity" anyway -- over the  
needs of the people of West Philadelphia.


The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of  
damage to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass  
over them. More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial  
straits and owes it to the people who depend on public transit to  
upgrade its infrastructure in a manner that will minimize long-term  
maintenance costs. Preserving a stretch or two of Belgian blocks  
that is hardly a tourist attraction or a destination for middle- 
school field trips, notwithstanding Historical Commission  
designation as something (nobody ever heard of) called a Historic  
Pavement Thematic District, is too high a price to pay for the  
people who use the roads and -- especially -- the West Philadelphia  
trolleys.


Alan Krigman
KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
on-line bulletin board: www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news
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Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Bill Sanderson]

Agreed.  I like the blocks, myself.  I also like anything that slows traffic
through the park---I'd be happy to have a stop sign midway through the
curve, if nothing else.

However, the issues that Brian raises in this letter of drainage and water
runoff are more important--I don't know what the best mechanism is to get
the several authorities to cooperate and do all of what is needed at once,
but it is sure worth making some fuss about.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Brian Siano
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:12 PM
To: UC List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

Actually, even _more_ context is needed, because the Belgian Block issue 
is, frankly, nowhere near as important as another.

The section of water runoff/sewer under Chester Avenue, between 43rd and 
45th streets, is in serious need of repair. It's clogged, routinely 
floods, and a great deal of the damage to the street above is directly 
attributable to the problems underground. SEPTA has not address this 
important problem _at all_: they'll be repairing track on a stretch of 
road that's prone to floods and erosion. (Also, in their construction 
proposal, there doesn't seem to be any provision to prevent construction 
spilloff into the Bowl.)

The area hasn't been repaired because of the jurisdictional conflict: 
the road's a state road, so SEPTA handles that, but the water runoff is 
handled by the Philadelphia Water Dept., I believe. And there's also 
coordination needed with Streets, and Rec's in this too, as there's an 
impact on Clark Park. (The FoCP is also concerned about the pedestrian 
crossings and how well it'll all integrate with the water and path 
issues of our Park A project.)

So while SEPTA hasn't consulted properly with the city on this project, 
we can take this opportunity to urge cooperation between state and city 
agencies, and get the sewer and street and trolley tracks repaired as 
they should be repaired. So, if you're going to write a letter to a city 
representative, I would _strongly_ urge everyone all to focus on the 
most important issue: getting SEPTA on board towards fixing the sewer 
line so the street doesn't flood and collapse. We're going to need a LOT 
of help on this issue.

You can talk about Belgian Block all you want, but this is the main issue.


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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Krfapt]

 
In a message dated 9/28/2007 4:12:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Just  keep a perspective on the source. 


We could keep a perspective on the source of your personal attacks -- which  
have nothing to do with the topic, of course -- if you'd have the decency to  
sign them, Mr or Ms email Chibbard, whoever you are. Or, does 
"pobox.upenn.edu"  say it all?
 
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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Chris Hibbard]

Remember this is from the guy who tears windows out of his properties  
and replaces them with glass block, thinks siding is great and  
porches are a waste of effort.  Al's version of university city would  
eventually look like 44th and Brown.


If it is of historic interest- trash it.

Each block of Belgium Blocks represents a look at Philadelphia's  
past. The argument that the road would be easier to navigate with a  
SEPTA repair of concrete is made very false simply by driving down  
Baltimore Avenue. I think it's worse driving on that crappy concrete  
job than driving down Chester.


Just keep a perspective on the source.

On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear Ms Jones:

As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you  
to ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of  
Belgian blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical  
Commission classifies as of "low integrity" anyway -- over the  
needs of the people of West Philadelphia.


The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of  
damage to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass  
over them. More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial  
straits and owes it to the people who depend on public transit to  
upgrade its infrastructure in a manner that will minimize long-term  
maintenance costs. Preserving a stretch or two of Belgian blocks  
that is hardly a tourist attraction or a destination for middle- 
school field trips, notwithstanding Historical Commission  
designation as something (nobody ever heard of) called a Historic  
Pavement Thematic District, is too high a price to pay for the  
people who use the roads and -- especially -- the West Philadelphia  
trolleys.


Alan Krigman
KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Brian Siano]

Actually, even _more_ context is needed, because the Belgian Block issue 
is, frankly, nowhere near as important as another.


The section of water runoff/sewer under Chester Avenue, between 43rd and 
45th streets, is in serious need of repair. It's clogged, routinely 
floods, and a great deal of the damage to the street above is directly 
attributable to the problems underground. SEPTA has not address this 
important problem _at all_: they'll be repairing track on a stretch of 
road that's prone to floods and erosion. (Also, in their construction 
proposal, there doesn't seem to be any provision to prevent construction 
spilloff into the Bowl.)


The area hasn't been repaired because of the jurisdictional conflict: 
the road's a state road, so SEPTA handles that, but the water runoff is 
handled by the Philadelphia Water Dept., I believe. And there's also 
coordination needed with Streets, and Rec's in this too, as there's an 
impact on Clark Park. (The FoCP is also concerned about the pedestrian 
crossings and how well it'll all integrate with the water and path 
issues of our Park A project.)


So while SEPTA hasn't consulted properly with the city on this project, 
we can take this opportunity to urge cooperation between state and city 
agencies, and get the sewer and street and trolley tracks repaired as 
they should be repaired. So, if you're going to write a letter to a city 
representative, I would _strongly_ urge everyone all to focus on the 
most important issue: getting SEPTA on board towards fixing the sewer 
line so the street doesn't flood and collapse. We're going to need a LOT 
of help on this issue.


You can talk about Belgian Block all you want, but this is the main issue.


UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

additional context:



 Original Message 
Subject:  SEPTA Chester Avenue Track Project
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:48:57 -0400
From: B Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:   pfsni list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,   
[EMAIL PROTECTED],

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Dear Ms. Jones,

I strongly urge you to force SEPTA to comply with the permit 
requirements for this project and to preserve as much of the Belgian 
block paving between the tracks as possible as required by the 
Philadelphia Historical Commission. SEPTA has dealt with my 
neighborhood in a most cavalier and inconsiderate manner by notifying 
us at the last hour and acting as if nothing can stand in the way of 
their plan for this project.


Sincerely,

Bruce Andersen
1108 S 46th St Apt 201
Philadelphia, PA 19143-3732


>  End Original Message 





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Ms Jones:
 
As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you to 
ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of Belgian 
blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical Commission 
classifies as of "low integrity" anyway -- over the needs of the 
people of West Philadelphia.
 
The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of 
damage to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass 
over them. More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial 
straits and owes it to the people who depend on public transit to 
upgrade its infrastructure in a manner that will minimize long-term 
maintenance costs. Preserving a stretch or two of Belgian blocks that 
is hardly a tourist attraction or a destination for middle-school 
field trips, notwithstanding Historical Commission designation as 
something (nobody ever heard of) called a Historic Pavement Thematic 
District, is too high a price to pay for the people who use the roads 
and -- especially -- the West Philadelphia trolleys.
 
Alan Krigman

KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
on-line bulletin board: www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news 


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RE: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Andy Frishkoff]

Just to clarify, Loree Jones is not with the Streets Dept.; she is the Managing 
Director of the City of Philadelphia and the Streets Dept. and other operating 
departments are accountable to her.

Also, I received the following post yesterday that provides some further 
context for Al's post and includes the incorrect email address for Ms. Jones:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Please read this important message from Mike Hardy, board member of
the University City Historical Society:

Please send a message to Loree Jones, City Managing Director (loree
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) asking that the Streets Department not issue permits
regarding the proposed "improvement" of the Route 13 Trolley line.
Construction has begun on Chester Avenue even though the appropriate
permits have not been secured.

This construction would be in direct violation of the Historical
Commission's ruling that all the Belgian block between 41 and 49th
must be restored as part of its local historical designation as part
of the Philadelphia Historic Street Paving Thematic District of 1998,
which placed it and other city street pavings, including 40th, 49th
and Lindbergh Avenue, on the local register of historic places.

Every voice is needed here, so please send in yours. ASAP!!

If you have questions, please contact Mike Hardy (215 382-0365 or Roy
Harker, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Andy



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:04:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com

If anyone wants to email Ms Jones at the Streets Dept (supporting SEPTA or the 
Belgian Block preservation effort), the link posted in the original 
announcement was wrong. It should be [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

additional context:



 Original Message 
Subject:  SEPTA Chester Avenue Track Project
Date:   Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:48:57 -0400
From:   B Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:   pfsni list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED],

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Dear Ms. Jones,

I strongly urge you to force SEPTA to comply with the permit 
requirements for this project and to preserve as much of the Belgian 
block paving between the tracks as possible as required by the 
Philadelphia Historical Commission. SEPTA has dealt with my neighborhood 
in a most cavalier and inconsiderate manner by notifying us at the last 
hour and acting as if nothing can stand in the way of their plan for 
this project.


Sincerely,

Bruce Andersen
1108 S 46th St Apt 201
Philadelphia, PA 19143-3732


>  End Original Message 





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Ms Jones:
 
As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you 
to ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of Belgian 
blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical Commission classifies 
as of "low integrity" anyway -- over the needs of the people of West 
Philadelphia.
 
The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of 
damage to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass over 
them. More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial straits 
and owes it to the people who depend on public transit to upgrade its 
infrastructure in a manner that will minimize long-term maintenance 
costs. Preserving a stretch or two of Belgian blocks that is hardly a 
tourist attraction or a destination for middle-school field trips, 
notwithstanding Historical Commission designation as something (nobody 
ever heard of) called a Historic Pavement Thematic District, is too high 
a price to pay for the people who use the roads and -- especially -- the 
West Philadelphia trolleys.
 
Alan Krigman

KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
on-line bulletin board: www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news 


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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Krfapt]

If anyone wants to email Ms Jones at the Streets Dept (supporting SEPTA or  
the Belgian Block preservation effort), the link posted in the original  
announcement was wrong. It should be [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 
 
 
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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Mariellen Smith]

You are so right. Those blocks are the worst. They are awful to drive on, 
difficult to bike on, and even sort of annoying to walk on. I don't care if 
they are 'historic looking' or 'charming' or whatever. They are barely 
functional. There is a reason that they stopped paving streets with them oh 
so many years ago. It's time to rip them out, pave it over, and move into 
the 21st Century.


I hate SEPTA as much as the next person, and as a resident of Chester Ave., 
I am inconvenienced and annoyed by this project. However, if it will get 
rid of those hateful blocks, I will have something positive to cling to 
when this project turns into a fiasco of poor planning and low 
expectations, just like everything else that SEPTA touches.


-Mariellen

At 08:07 AM 9/28/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Ms Jones:

As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you to 
ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of Belgian 
blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical Commission classifies as 
of "low integrity" anyway -- over the needs of the people of West Philadelphia.


The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of damage 
to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass over them. 
More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial straits and owes 
it to the people who depend on public transit to upgrade its 
infrastructure in a manner that will minimize long-term maintenance costs. 
Preserving a stretch or two of Belgian blocks that is hardly a tourist 
attraction or a destination for middle-school field trips, notwithstanding 
Historical Commission designation as something (nobody ever heard of) 
called a Historic Pavement Thematic District, is too high a price to pay 
for the people who use the roads and -- especially -- the West 
Philadelphia trolleys.


Alan Krigman
KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502
on-line bulletin board: 
www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news

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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Dan Widyono]

> Al's right There's no reason to force cars to slow down on Chester Avenue.
> 
> It's not as if people are bringing children or dogs between two sections 
> of a _heavily-used urban park_ or anything.

I can see Al's concerns and your concerns as orthogonal, even though they
both involve the belgian blocks to a degree.  

The quote you included from Al mentioned nothing about forcing cars to slow
down.  You might wish to begin your argument with "I believe belgian blocks
help to slow down traffic, which is a cause for concern among many parents
and dog-owners alike."  Framing your argument in this way (as an example),
gives the opportunity for people to respond with perhaps other ways of
mitigating traffic flow which do not involve belgian block.

Even though Al does a disservice to his discourse by calling people's
comlaints "wailing", he does appear to target two specific issues: the
current belgian blocks cause damage to motor vehicles, and the higher cost
associated with keeping the belgian blocks, which must be shared by Septa and
tax payers.  (I am not stating these as facts, merely as Al's talking points)

It would be useful to either debate him on those points directly, or start a
new thread to discuss the mitigation of traffic flow, but it only confuses
the conversation when different issues are confounded.

Because I and my son use the park, I am concerned about safety in and around
the park.  I personally do not think of the belgian blocks as safety
enhancements, but perhaps someone has statistics showing that they indeed
mitigate traffic.  I hope there are other ways of slowing cars down that we
could perhaps implement alongside existing infrastructure (whether or not the
belgian blocks remain).

With regards,
Dan W.

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Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Brian Siano]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Ms Jones:
 
As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you 
to ignore the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of 
Belgian blocks -- many in a condition that the Historical Commission 
classifies as of "low integrity" anyway -- over the needs of the 
people of West Philadelphia.
 
The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of 
damage to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass 
over them. More than this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial 
straits and owes it to the people who depend on public transit to 
upgrade its infrastructure in a manner that will minimize long-term 
maintenance costs. Preserving a stretch or two of Belgian blocks that 
is hardly a tourist attraction or a destination for middle-school 
field trips, notwithstanding Historical Commission designation as 
something (nobody ever heard of) called a Historic Pavement Thematic 
District, is too high a price to pay for the people who use the roads 
and -- especially -- the West Philadelphia trolleys.

Al's right There's no reason to force cars to slow down on Chester Avenue.

It's not as if people are bringing children or dogs between two sections 
of a _heavily-used urban park_ or anything.




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[UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave

[Krfapt]

Dear Ms Jones:
 
As a resident and business owner in West Philadelphia, I urge you  to ignore 
the wailing of the people who value a few stretches of Belgian  blocks -- many 
in a condition that the Historical Commission classifies as of  "low 
integrity" anyway -- over the needs of the people of West  Philadelphia.
 
The blocks are hazards to safety when driving, as well as causes of damage  
to the springs and shock absorbers of automobiles that pass over them. More 
than  this, as you know, SEPTA is in dire financial straits and owes it to the 
people  who depend on public transit to upgrade its infrastructure in a manner 
that will  minimize long-term maintenance costs. Preserving a stretch or two of 
 Belgian blocks that is hardly a tourist attraction or a destination for  
middle-school field trips, notwithstanding Historical Commission designation as 
 
something (nobody ever heard of) called a Historic Pavement Thematic District, 
 is too high a price to pay for the people who use the roads and -- 
especially --  the West Philadelphia trolleys.  

Alan  Krigman
KRF Management
211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6502
on-line bulletin board: _www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news_ 
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