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He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person. These are all signs of?a great leader. Signs, that I, personally,?can feel?through the delivery of his speeches and his presence. If you cannot feel a speaker just the same as you can hear the message than that's your chosen or sculpted?personality. I choose to take in the entire?presentation of his speeches/interviews and not just the message, a message which I've humbly backed since 2004. Also, if you cannot feel leadership than maybe you've never been on a team (of any type)?that had a respectable leader who makes you feel?comfortable in following, some may just?simply call it trust.? I did not say he can walk on water,?I am fully aware that?he is not the Messiah and realize that he is just as human as you and I.?What's so extravagant or excessive about noting his HUMAN greatness? It is still possible to be a great human being in politics right? I could see If I said?something like?Immortal, Godlike?Super Greatness. That would qualify, in my mind,?as cult-like reverence. And, come to think of it,?I?would not mind having dinner with him either. There's nothing wishy washy about?having respect for, and hope with,?your?future?President.? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas I voted for Barack Obama. I am a hyper-liberal when it comes to politics. I also believe that despite his inexperience in national and international politcs, he was the most honorable and intellectually curious of the candidates. After the last eight years and with the trying times ahead, we need fresh ideas and an intelligent and calm leader. This said, the liberal cause is cheapened when we defend Obama with comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] like: In my opinion, if anyone cannot see the human greatness within Barack Obama, it's because they do not want to see it. They select not to for a number of reasons. Policies and! platforms aside, the guy resonates with a natural born leadership that you can just feel. This comment is not based on fact, but wishy washy Obama-love. These are the comments for which conservatives rightly criticize liberals. Human greatness, Natural born leadership that you can just feel -- please. Please do not treat President-elect Obama like he a teen heartthrob that you dream of having dinner with. He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person (as far as we can tell from speeches and his relatively short record). He may indeed, and I surely hope, a great leader. His policies on the environment, economy, and social justice are clearly well-reasoned and well-advised. However, when we state that we can just feel his natural born leadership (and don't know how you feel leadership anyway?), it does sound like we are mindless members of a cul
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We have been listening to Bush and recently McCain vagaries for eight years. They respond to questions with comments like: its just the right thing to do, those people hate freedom, I looked into his eyes and saw his soul, and the like. I just want to make sure that we don't slip into vagaries with President-elect Obama. If you want to support him (as I do), then let's be mature and intelligent about it (while also being very excited!). Best, jm __ Dr. Justin McDaniel Dept. of Religious Studies 3046 INTN University of California, Riverside Riverside, CA 92521 951-827-4530 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original message Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:40:31 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], univcity@list.purple.com He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person. These are all signs of a great leader. Signs, that I, personally, can feel through the delivery of his speeches and his presence. If you cannot feel a speaker just the same as you can hear the message than that's your chosen or sculpted personality. I choose to take in the entire presentation of his speeches/interviews and not just the message, a message which I've humbly backed since 2004. Also, if you cannot feel leadership than maybe you've never been on a team (of any type) that had a respectable leader who makes you feel comfortable in following, some may just simply call it trust. I did not say he can walk on water, I am fully aware that he is not the Messiah and realize that he is just as human as you and I. What's so extravagant or excessive about noting his HUMAN greatness? It is still possible to be a great human being in politics right? I could see If I said something like Immortal, Godlike Super Greatness. That would qualify, in my mind, as cult-like reverence. And, come to think of it, I would not mind having dinner with him either. There's nothing wishy washy about having respect for, and hope with, your future President. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas I voted for Barack Obama. I am a hyper-liberal when it comes to politics. I also believe that despite his inexperience in national and international politcs, he was the most honorable and intellectually curious of the candidates. After the last eight years and with the trying times ahead, we need fresh ideas and an intelligent and calm leader. This said, the liberal cause is cheapened when we defend Obama with comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] like: In my opinion, if anyone cannot see the human greatness within Barack Obama, it's because they do not want to see it. They select not to for a number of reasons. Policies and! platforms aside, the guy resonates with a natural born leadership that you can just feel. This comment is not based on fact, but wishy washy Obama-love. These are the comments for which conservatives rightly criticize liberals. Human greatness, Natural born leadership that you can just feel -- please. Please do not treat President-elect Obama like he a teen heartthrob that you dream of having dinner with. He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person (as far as we can tell from speeches and his relatively short record). He may indeed, and I surely hope, a great leader. His policies on the environment, economy, and social justice are clearly well-reasoned and well-advised. However, when we state that we can just feel his natural born leadership (and don't know how you feel leadership anyway?), it does sound like we are mindless members of a cul Instant access to the latest most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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It's completely?useless trying to communicate a?logical reality to (I guess I should say most)?McCain supporters. Through my own personal?experience, they seem to suffer from a new,?biologically stronger and incurable?strain of the Selective Hearing Virus. I've given up long ago. It's really like talking to a brick wall except the brick wall seems to?listen better.?I never fully supported McCain myself but always appreciated/respected his military service and?moderate?views until he sold out for the Conservative Evangelical vote and went all Palin on us. His supporters, much like Bush's, believe anything they are told by their Party?and dispute anything the Democrats say, for no other fact than?because the Democarats said it. In my opinion,?if anyone cannot see the human?greatness within Barack Obama, it's because they do not want?to see it. They select not to for a number of reasons. Policies and platforms aside, the guy resonates with a natural born leadership that you! can just feel. Thankfully,?it's all over with and hopefully?4 years from now the ship will be pointed in the right direction again. My favorite Obama?drama is the terrorist accusation. I?find it?comical that it's A-OK for?a terrorist?to be a US Senator (btw what's it say about our CIA that one can rise the ranks at such a fast pace in our very own Government?), but not?The President. I never knew that terrorists suffered from glass ceilings?in the workplace like so many Americans. Interesting. -Original Message- From: missthin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: heronsinc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Craig Obama [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas Hmm, went to the youtube link.? Craig, did you notice what it said in the description? Voiced by Kyle Grooms. Political satire. We get it, we know you don't like Mr. Obama and probably think Mr. McCain is your own personal gift from whichever God it is you worship. The fact that you've been shoving anti-Obama posts down our throats for the last few days is really very tiring and unnecessary. The abortion issue ... Mr. Obama has stated that he personally is against abortion, but believes it is a woman's right to choose.? In your world, a 14 year old girl (children having children appalls me), a victim of rape or incest, a woman who could die if she carried full term, someone living in extreme poverty who can't afford to keep themselves housed and fed properly, someone with mental/substance abuse issues ... those are just a few situations where, though a hard choice and decision to make, at least we DO have the ability to make that choice and decision.? (BTW, Wilma? High Five!)? In your world, that choice would not exist and those females and the offspring could and in many cases would face a fairly awful life ahead of them.? Or, are you and your fellow good Christians going to step in and help?? Are you all going to adopt these babies?? Are you going to personally help financially support these mothers and children? The William Ayers thing.? Barak Obama was, I believe, something like 8 years old when Ayers was in the Weather Underground.? Mr. Ayers is 63 years old, Mr. Obama is 47 I believe.? That's a 16 year age difference.? Yes, they do live in the same neighborhood, their children go to the same school, they do get together.? I don't think that makes Mr. Obama a terrorist or an accomplice. Is Mrs. Obama spending $150,000 on clothes?? No, she shops online and even at Target.?? Does her make-up artist make more than Mr. McCain's security advisor?? Nope, but Sarah Palin's does. Anyway, enough.? Here's a link to a condensed, but still informative biography of Mr. Obama:? http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/barack-obama/index.jsp Tonight is the night we all find out who's voted and how.? If McCain wins?? I and more than a few people I've talked to are wondering what the requirements for moving to Canada are. Wendy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM, heronsinc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this part of the If it's on the internet it's got to be true school of political argument?? It wasn't even a good Obama imitation as far as the voice over and the gestures and demeanor of Obama (from the back of course, since a face on shot would clearly expose the dubbing) did not correspond with the rant. ? Was that supposed to win some kind of political argument?? I guess when you have to grasp at straws . . . ? C J Kelly/S 47th St ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Obama Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:22 PM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: [UC] My Favorite Obamas ? Obama Goes Off on a Heckler! ? h ? ? ? ? ? Ciao, Craig
Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas
I voted for Barack Obama. I am a hyper-liberal when it comes to politics. I also believe that despite his inexperience in national and international politcs, he was the most honorable and intellectually curious of the candidates. After the last eight years and with the trying times ahead, we need fresh ideas and an intelligent and calm leader. This said, the liberal cause is cheapened when we defend Obama with comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] like: In my opinion, if anyone cannot see the human greatness within Barack Obama, it's because they do not want to see it. They select not to for a number of reasons. Policies and! platforms aside, the guy resonates with a natural born leadership that you can just feel. This comment is not based on fact, but wishy washy Obama-love. These are the comments for which conservatives rightly criticize liberals. Human greatness, Natural born leadership that you can just feel -- please. Please do not treat President-elect Obama like he a teen heartthrob that you dream of having dinner with. He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person (as far as we can tell from speeches and his relatively short record). He may indeed, and I surely hope, a great leader. His policies on the environment, economy, and social justice are clearly well-reasoned and well-advised. However, when we state that we can just feel his natural born leadership (and don't know how you feel leadership anyway?), it does sound like we are mindless members of a cul You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Actually, I believe that being a Republican and a Conservative is being brought back home again to its true meaning and Liberal should be as well. Both terms have been erroneously miscalled in the past 30-40 years. On 11/10/08 4:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I voted for Barack Obama. I am a hyper-liberal when it comes to politics. I also believe that despite his inexperience in national and international politcs, he was the most honorable and intellectually curious of the candidates. After the last eight years and with the trying times ahead, we need fresh ideas and an intelligent and calm leader. This said, the liberal cause is cheapened when we defend Obama with comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] like: In my opinion, if anyone cannot see the human greatness within Barack Obama, it's because they do not want to see it. They select not to for a number of reasons. Policies and! platforms aside, the guy resonates with a natural born leadership that you can just feel. This comment is not based on fact, but wishy washy Obama-love. These are the comments for which conservatives rightly criticize liberals. Human greatness, Natural born leadership that you can just feel -- please. Please do not treat President-elect Obama like he a teen heartthrob that you dream of having dinner with. He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person (as far as we can tell from speeches and his relatively short record). He may indeed, and I surely hope, a great leader. His policies on the environment, economy, and social justice are clearly well-reasoned and well-advised. However, when we state that we can just feel his natural born leadership (and don't know how you feel leadership anyway?), it does sound like we are mindless members of a cul You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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[image: Obama Goes Off on a Heckler!]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C3DFindex=2 http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=96BE62A39838C3DF# Obama Goes Off on a Heckler!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C3DFindex=2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C3DFindex=2 Friday, October 31, 2008 [image: Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist]http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell *Ego and Mou*th by Thomas Sowell http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/31/ego_and_mouth?page=fullcomments=true After the big gamble on subprime mortgages that led to the current financial crisis, is there going to be an even bigger gamble, by putting the fate of a nation in the hands of a man whose only qualifications are ego and mouth? Barack Obama has the kind of cocksure confidence that can only be achieved by not achieving anything else. Anyone who has actually had to take responsibility for consequences by running any kind of enterprise-- whether economic or academic, or even just managing a sports team-- is likely at some point to be chastened by either the setbacks brought on by his own mistakes or by seeing his successes followed by negative consequences that he never anticipated. The kind of self-righteous self-confidence that has become Obama's trademark is usually found in sophomores in Ivy League colleges-- very bright and articulate students, utterly untempered by experience in real world. The signs of Barack Obama's self-centered immaturity are painfully obvious, though ignored by true believers who have poured their hopes into him, and by the media who just want the symbolism and the ideology that Obama represents. The triumphal tour of world capitals and photo-op meetings with world leaders by someone who, after all, was still merely a candidate, is just one sign of this self-centered immaturity. This is our time! he proclaimed. And I will change the world. But ultimately this election is not about him, but about the fate of this nation, at a time of both domestic and international peril, with a major financial crisis still unresolved and a nuclear Iran looming on the horizon. For someone who has actually accomplished nothing to blithely talk about taking away what has been earned by those who have accomplished something, and give it to whomever he chooses in the name of spreading the wealth, is the kind of casual arrogance that has led to many economic catastrophes in many countries. The equally casual ease with which Barack Obama has talked about appointing judges on the basis of their empathies with various segments of the population makes a mockery of the very concept of law. After this man has wrecked the economy and destroyed constitutional law with his judicial appointments, what can he do for an encore? He can cripple the military and gamble America's future on his ability to sit down with enemy nations and talk them out of causing trouble. Senator Obama's running mate, Senator Joe Biden, has for years shown the same easy-way-out mindset. Senator Biden has for decades opposed strengthening our military forces. In 1991, Biden urged relying on sanctions to get Saddam Hussein's troops out of Kuwait, instead of military force, despite the demonstrated futility of sanctions as a means of undoing an invasion. People who think Governor Sarah Palin didn't handle some gotcha questions well in a couple of interviews show no interest in how she compares to the Democrats' Vice Presidential candidate, Senator Biden. Joe Biden is much more of the kind of politician the mainstream media like. Not only is he a liberal's liberal, he answers questions far more glibly than Governor Palin-- grossly inaccurately in many cases, but glibly. Moreover, this is a long-standing pattern with Biden. When he was running for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination back in 1987, someone in the audience asked him what law school he attended and how well he did. Flashing his special phony smile, Biden said, I think I have a much higher IQ than you do. He added, I went to law school on a full academic scholarship and ended up in the top half of the class. But Biden did not have a full academic scholarship. Newsweek reported: He went on a half scholarship based on need. He didn't finish in the 'top half' of his class. He was 76th out of 85. Add to Obama and Biden House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and you have all the ingredients for a historic meltdown. Let us not forget that the Roman Empire did decline and fall, blighting the lives of millions for centuries. Ciao, Craig
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Is this part of the If it's on the internet it's got to be true school of political argument? It wasn't even a good Obama imitation as far as the voice over and the gestures and demeanor of Obama (from the back of course, since a face on shot would clearly expose the dubbing) did not correspond with the rant. Was that supposed to win some kind of political argument? I guess when you have to grasp at straws . . . C J Kelly/S 47th St _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Obama Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:22 PM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: [UC] My Favorite Obamas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C 3DFindex=2 Obama Goes Off on a Heckler! http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=96BE62A39838C3DF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C 3DFindex=2 Obama Goes Off on a Heckler! h http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C 3DFindex=2 Ciao, Craig
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Hmm, went to the youtube link. Craig, did you notice what it said in the description? Voiced by Kyle Grooms. Political satire. We get it, we know you don't like Mr. Obama and probably think Mr. McCain is your own personal gift from whichever God it is you worship. The fact that you've been shoving anti-Obama posts down our throats for the last few days is really very tiring and unnecessary. The abortion issue ... Mr. Obama has stated that he personally is against abortion, but believes it is a woman's right to choose. In your world, a 14 year old girl (children having children appalls me), a victim of rape or incest, a woman who could die if she carried full term, someone living in extreme poverty who can't afford to keep themselves housed and fed properly, someone with mental/substance abuse issues ... those are just a few situations where, though a hard choice and decision to make, at least we DO have the ability to make that choice and decision. (BTW, Wilma? High Five!) In your world, that choice would not exist and those females and the offspring could and in many cases would face a fairly awful life ahead of them. Or, are you and your fellow good Christians going to step in and help? Are you all going to adopt these babies? Are you going to personally help financially support these mothers and children? The William Ayers thing. Barak Obama was, I believe, something like 8 years old when Ayers was in the Weather Underground. Mr. Ayers is 63 years old, Mr. Obama is 47 I believe. That's a 16 year age difference. Yes, they do live in the same neighborhood, their children go to the same school, they do get together. I don't think that makes Mr. Obama a terrorist or an accomplice. Is Mrs. Obama spending $150,000 on clothes? No, she shops online and even at Target. Does her make-up artist make more than Mr. McCain's security advisor? Nope, but Sarah Palin's does. Anyway, enough. Here's a link to a condensed, but still informative biography of Mr. Obama: http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/barack-obama/index.jsp Tonight is the night we all find out who's voted and how. If McCain wins? I and more than a few people I've talked to are wondering what the requirements for moving to Canada are. Wendy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM, heronsinc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this part of the If it's on the internet it's got to be true school of political argument? It wasn't even a good Obama imitation as far as the voice over and the gestures and demeanor of Obama (from the back of course, since a face on shot would clearly expose the dubbing) did not correspond with the rant. Was that supposed to win some kind of political argument? I guess when you have to grasp at straws . . . C J Kelly/S 47th St -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Craig Obama *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:22 PM *To:* UnivCity listserv *Subject:* [UC] My Favorite Obamas [image: Obama Goes Off on a Heckler!]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C3DFindex=2 http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=96BE62A39838C3DF Obama Goes Off on a Heckler!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C3DFindex=2 hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQfeature=PlayListp=96BE62A39838C3DFindex=2 Ciao, Craig
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You¹ll note my question about the possible human life in discarded tampons and whether they should be funeralized went unanswered. I meant that question in ALL seriousness and not to be crude. Also the board that Ayers and Obama were on was quite conservative; I mean REAL Republicans and not these Neo-Con charlatans who have hijacked their party. THAT more than anything else is why I think Obama might win tonight because true Conservatives are feeling a bit like Samuel L. Jackson in the last scenes of ³Snakes On A Plane.² ³E-NOUGH!!² On 11/4/08 7:02 PM, missthin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, went to the youtube link. Craig, did you notice what it said in the description? Voiced by Kyle Grooms. Political satire. We get it, we know you don't like Mr. Obama and probably think Mr. McCain is your own personal gift from whichever God it is you worship. The fact that you've been shoving anti-Obama posts down our throats for the last few days is really very tiring and unnecessary. The abortion issue ... Mr. Obama has stated that he personally is against abortion, but believes it is a woman's right to choose. In your world, a 14 year old girl (children having children appalls me), a victim of rape or incest, a woman who could die if she carried full term, someone living in extreme poverty who can't afford to keep themselves housed and fed properly, someone with mental/substance abuse issues ... those are just a few situations where, though a hard choice and decision to make, at least we DO have the ability to make that choice and decision. (BTW, Wilma? High Five!) In your world, that choice would not exist and those females and the offspring could and in many cases would face a fairly awful life ahead of them. Or, are you and your fellow good Christians going to step in and help? Are you all going to adopt these babies? Are you going to personally help financially support these mothers and children? The William Ayers thing. Barak Obama was, I believe, something like 8 years old when Ayers was in the Weather Underground. Mr. Ayers is 63 years old, Mr. Obama is 47 I believe. That's a 16 year age difference. Yes, they do live in the same neighborhood, their children go to the same school, they do get together. I don't think that makes Mr. Obama a terrorist or an accomplice. Is Mrs. Obama spending $150,000 on clothes? No, she shops online and even at Target. Does her make-up artist make more than Mr. McCain's security advisor? Nope, but Sarah Palin's does. Anyway, enough. Here's a link to a condensed, but still informative biography of Mr. Obama: http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/barack-obama/index.jsp Tonight is the night we all find out who's voted and how. If McCain wins? I and more than a few people I've talked to are wondering what the requirements for moving to Canada are. Wendy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM, heronsinc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this part of the If it's on the internet it's got to be true school of political argument? It wasn't even a good Obama imitation as far as the voice over and the gestures and demeanor of Obama (from the back of course, since a face on shot would clearly expose the dubbing) did not correspond with the rant. Was that supposed to win some kind of political argument? I guess when you have to grasp at straws . . . C J Kelly/S 47th St From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Obama Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:22 PM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: [UC] My Favorite Obamas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQamp;feature=PlayListamp;p=96BE62 A39838C3DFamp;index=2 http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=96BE62A39838C3DF Obama Goes Off on a Heckler! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQamp;feature=PlayListamp;p=96BE62 A39838C3DFamp;index=2 h http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSv6mkSXXQamp;feature=PlayListamp;p=96BE62 A39838C3DFamp;index=2 _ ___ Ciao, Craig
