Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Glenn wrote:

> Many kids are too far into a dangerous course before they have a chance at an 
> epiphany, through picking up a musical instrument or finding a chess club, 
> etc.
Or a shovel to plant fruit trees?

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Glenn]

On 9/15/2011 11:32 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
Poverty and violence do create a low-brow, value deficient, "urban 
desperado"- type, whose greatest value is "respect" - but respect in 
the Mafia sense, where you retaliate if you don't get it.  Violations 
of this are meted out with deadly violence - the stuff of the 5 
o'clock news.  Even parents (and communities) are afraid to intervene 
because they could be the next one to be targeted.  The ready 
availability of deadly force, escalates the problem.


Joe Clark says: "Don't make me into a  "benign stereotype", which you 
seem to be good at doing;"



Joe is a hoot!

I think it's important to emphasize that Joe's stereotype of the "urban 
desperado" is a normal expected human response, for some, to the chronic 
traumatic stress that large numbers of kids live in.  By saying that, 
I'm in no way condoning it or justifying it.  And many kids in the same 
situations reject this reaction even though the trauma and abandonment 
they experience harms them in other ways like substance abuse, dropout, 
or clinical depression.


Too often when we attempt to discuss these normal human responses and 
the early life situations which predict harmful outcomes, we are shouted 
down and called names like "bleeding heart liberals"  My point is that 
both crime and Joe's stereotype of teens are responses that must be 
anticipated and understood as likely human responses, for some, to 
unnatural levels of chronic and traumatic stress.


Look how privileged leaders in civic associations often abuse their 
power.  It takes an epiphany in this society for most of us to choose 
fairness and kindness, when power is the only value that seems to rule 
the world around us. (How many millions of people have died through the 
criminal abuse of power by our tough leading citizens?  The high brow, 
gated community, desperados!) Many kids are too far into a dangerous 
course before they have a chance at an epiphany, through picking up a 
musical instrument or finding a chess club, etc.


There is mass denial in our culture that explains the shouting down of 
"bleeding hearts" when they try to discuss responsible societal 
policies.  We are not basing our policies or institutional responses to 
what the evidence of early childhood trauma clearly points to!  It's not 
being a bleeding heart to reject stupid greed based policy that makes 
everyone unsafe and insecure.



Glenn


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Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

school and in the
>> >>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
>> >>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
>> >>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
>> >>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
>> >>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
>> >>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
>> >>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
>> >>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jo Ann Fishburn
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
>> >>>> *To:* Glenn 
>> >>>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
>> >>>> univcity@list.purple.com
>> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
>> >>>> Tuesday night
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
>> >>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
>> >>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
>> >>>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.
>> >>>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the
>> >>>> disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but
>> >>>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt
>> >>>> with immediately.
>> >>>>  Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are
>> >>>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the
>> >>>> consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just
>> >>>> economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster
>> >>>> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and
>> >>>> patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with
>> >>>> young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that
>> >>>> prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in
>> >>>> the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite
>> >>>> saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No
>> >>>> sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was
>> >>>> cute.  What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees -
>> >>>> is disastrous for someone who has neither.
>> >>>> The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger
>> >>>> issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation
>> >>>> that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs,
>> >>>> addiction, no parenting and the marketing of violent nihilism as a
>> >>>> life style - set us all up for a long haul to change these destructive
>> >>>> patterns.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Joe C.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn > >>>> <mailto:glen...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
>> >>>>   neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
>> >>>>   localized in specific areas.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   Joe Clarke
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   Joe,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I
>> >>>>   was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and
>> >>>>   the gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from
>> >>>>   town watch because high income consumers would 

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

Being someone who is poor is not a crime. 

Being someone who is raped or robbed is not a crime.  

Rape and other types of assaults are bad.  

Being (or feeling) helpless though - apparently makes people more likely to 
feel justified in getting what they want by whatever means.  

Deprivation and/or falsely feeling deprived could therefore influence 
depravation. 

Most people are more poor now than they were before because we were so very 
hoodwinked, robbed, deceived, damaged, and in our names a global greed based 
war was then instigated by the criminals who did all that; now as then we were 
punished for it (and it was both praised and denounced by perpetuators) and 
that punishment itself was then blamed on us. 

I agree with accountability and correction for hurting, destroying or cruelly 
treating someone - but enforcing the conditions and laws that keep some in 
poverty without real and obvious hopes and some rich without good reasons is 
also a crime.  There are people who do not see many really good solutions and 
there are unfortunately also those who are not allowed to have them.  

There are many people without secure and safe dwellings, education, due rights 
and respects, without lawyers, without computers, without money, without color 
respect, without access to due process, without parents, friends, freedom from 
want, without a true sense of appropriate fear, and too too many who see guns 
as giving them security.  

People without depravity...  Are there those?  Everyone has potential 
depravity.  

I thought it was likely that the concepts of deprivation and depravation were 
at least somewhat similar, and were related in ways.  

I was told, though I was/am rather certain that it is not true, that I had 
caused someones death.  If I did, most certainly, I did not want them to be 
dead.  

Cheney fired a gun at someone and authorized use of murder and torture.  He was 
not been held accountable.
   
> I think what weakens people most is fear of wasting their strength. 
> Etty Hillesum

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Joe Clarke]

Richard, You engage in analysis that leads to paralysis.  Joe

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:

> You are right Karen.  I was just saying that a 'depravation' often is the
> result of someone feeling or being deprived.
>
> Actually I feel the need to stop speculating about a crime I know not first
> hand of nor probably can I.
>
> I do know that we as a people are in moral and physical 'deep' poverty and
> believe that those who need to care are all, as are all of us those who
> ought to share.
>
>  I hate not being able to fix what I see as wrong and maybe I need to
> concentrate on fixing what I can (which is not working very well just now
> either).
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Karen Allen wrote:
>
> I think that it is insulting to assume that the person who committed this
> crime was necessarily "poor". Being poor and being a criminal are not the
> same thing. Being poor and being depraved enough to rape a stranger at
> gunpoint is not the same thing.
>
> I have no sympathy for anyone who would victimize or destroy another
> person. I don't care why a KKK'er or Nazi would murder innocent people, and
> likewise, I don't care why street criminals do what they do. People make
> conscious choices, and when they make bad ones they must be held
> accountable.
>
>
> --
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Richard Conrad 
> wrote:
>
> >> I think the financial squeezing by parasitic economics has increased the
> plight of all especially those of poor people and those dependent on seizing
> as their way of coping with economics, do you disagree?
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:
>
> > Not funny Brian!
> > On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
> >
> >> I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us
> >> that the real evil is "upscale."
> >>
> >> On 9/14/11, Glenn  wrote:
> >>> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe
> >>> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.
> >>>
> >>> Jo Ann,
> >>>
> >>> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from
> >>> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you
> >>> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can
> >>> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.
> >>> Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that
> >>> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent
> >>> violence!
> >>>
> >>> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class
> >>> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way
> >>> of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless
> young
> >>> people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.
> >>>
> >>> The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our
> >>> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being
> >>> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if
> we
> >>> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are
> >>> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?
> >>>
> >>> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are
> >>> vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human
> >>> creatures.
> >>>
> >>> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle
> >>> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations
> >>> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's
> stop
> >>> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!
> >>>
> >>> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
> >>>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I
> >>>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the
> >>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
> >>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
> >>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
> >>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must projec

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

You are right Karen.  I was just saying that a 'depravation' often is the 
result of someone feeling or being deprived.  

Actually I feel the need to stop speculating about a crime I know not first 
hand of nor probably can I.  

I do know that we as a people are in moral and physical 'deep' poverty and 
believe that those who need to care are all, as are all of us those who ought 
to share. 

 I hate not being able to fix what I see as wrong and maybe I need to 
concentrate on fixing what I can (which is not working very well just now 
either).
  
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Karen Allen wrote:

> I think that it is insulting to assume that the person who committed this 
> crime was necessarily "poor". Being poor and being a criminal are not the 
> same thing. Being poor and being depraved enough to rape a stranger at 
> gunpoint is not the same thing. 
>  
> I have no sympathy for anyone who would victimize or destroy another person. 
> I don't care why a KKK'er or Nazi would murder innocent people, and likewise, 
> I don't care why street criminals do what they do. People make conscious 
> choices, and when they make bad ones they must be held accountable. 
>  
> 
>  
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Richard Conrad  wrote:
> >> I think the financial squeezing by parasitic economics has increased the 
> >> plight of all especially those of poor people and those dependent on 
> >> seizing as their way of coping with economics, do you disagree?
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:
> 
> > Not funny Brian!
> > On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
> >
> >> I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us
> >> that the real evil is "upscale."
> >>
> >> On 9/14/11, Glenn  wrote:
> >>> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe
> >>> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.
> >>>
> >>> Jo Ann,
> >>>
> >>> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from
> >>> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you
> >>> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can
> >>> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.
> >>> Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that
> >>> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent
> >>> violence!
> >>>
> >>> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class
> >>> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way
> >>> of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young
> >>> people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.
> >>>
> >>> The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our
> >>> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being
> >>> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if we
> >>> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are
> >>> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?
> >>>
> >>> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are
> >>> vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human
> >>> creatures.
> >>>
> >>> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle
> >>> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations
> >>> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's stop
> >>> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!
> >>>
> >>> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
> >>>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I
> >>>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the
> >>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
> >>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
> >>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
> >>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
> >>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
> >>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
> >>

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

g people's behavior in school and in the
> >>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
> >>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
> >>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
> >>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
> >>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
> >>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
> >>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
> >>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jo Ann Fishburn
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
> >>>> *To:* Glenn 
> >>>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
> >>>> univcity@list.purple.com
> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
> >>>> Tuesday night
> >>>>
> >>>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
> >>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
> >>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
> >>>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.
> >>>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the
> >>>> disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but
> >>>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt
> >>>> with immediately.
> >>>>  Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are
> >>>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the
> >>>> consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just
> >>>> economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster
> >>>> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and
> >>>> patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with
> >>>> young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that
> >>>> prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in
> >>>> the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite
> >>>> saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No
> >>>> sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was
> >>>> cute.  What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees -
> >>>> is disastrous for someone who has neither.
> >>>> The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger
> >>>> issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation
> >>>> that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs,
> >>>> addiction, no parenting and the marketing of violent nihilism as a
> >>>> life style - set us all up for a long haul to change these destructive
> >>>> patterns.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe C.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  >>>> <mailto:glen...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
> >>>>   neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
> >>>>   localized in specific areas.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Joe Clarke
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Joe,
> >>>>
> >>>>   I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I
> >>>>   was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and
> >>>>   the gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from
> >>>>   town watch because high income consumers would be made cleaner and
> >>>>   safer through the gentrification.  If residents became dependent
> >>>>   on and obedient to the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason
> >>>>   for town watch anymore than the great culture

RE: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Karen Allen]

I think that it is insulting to assume that the person who committed this crime 
was necessarily "poor". Being poor and being a criminal are not the same thing. 
Being poor and being depraved enough to rape a stranger at gunpoint is not the 
same thing. 
 
I have no sympathy for anyone who would victimize or destroy another person. I 
don't care why a KKK'er or Nazi would murder innocent people, and likewise, I 
don't care why street criminals do what they do. People make conscious choices, 
and when they make bad ones they must be held accountable. 
 



 

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Richard Conrad  wrote:

>> I think the financial squeezing by parasitic economics has increased the 
>> plight of all especially those of poor people and those dependent on seizing 
>> as their way of coping with economics, do you disagree?



On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:

> Not funny Brian!
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us
>> that the real evil is "upscale."
>>
>> On 9/14/11, Glenn  wrote:
>>> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe
>>> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>>>
>>> Jo Ann,
>>>
>>> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from
>>> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you
>>> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can
>>> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.
>>> Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that
>>> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent
>>> violence!
>>>
>>> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class
>>> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way
>>> of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young
>>> people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.
>>>
>>> The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our
>>> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being
>>> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if we
>>> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are
>>> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?
>>>
>>> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are
>>> vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human
>>> creatures.
>>>
>>> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle
>>> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations
>>> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's stop
>>> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
>>>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I
>>>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the
>>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
>>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
>>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
>>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
>>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
>>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
>>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
>>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>>>>
>>>> Jo Ann Fishburn
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
>>>> *To:* Glenn 
>>>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
>>>> univcity@list.purple.com
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
>>>> Tuesday night
>>>>
>>>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
>>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
>>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
>>>> to do somethi

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Joe Clarke]

g some way to cope with constant fear. Many
> >>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
> >>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
> >>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
> >>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
> >>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jo Ann Fishburn
> >>>>
> >>>>
> 
> >>>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
> >>>> *To:* Glenn 
> >>>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
> >>>> univcity@list.purple.com
> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
> >>>> Tuesday night
> >>>>
> >>>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
> >>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
> >>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
> >>>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.
> >>>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the
> >>>> disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but
> >>>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt
> >>>> with immediately.
> >>>>  Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are
> >>>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the
> >>>> consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just
> >>>> economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster
> >>>> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and
> >>>> patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with
> >>>> young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that
> >>>> prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in
> >>>> the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite
> >>>> saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No
> >>>> sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was
> >>>> cute.  What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees -
> >>>> is disastrous for someone who has neither.
> >>>> The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger
> >>>> issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation
> >>>> that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs,
> >>>> addiction, no parenting and the marketing of violent nihilism as a
> >>>> life style - set us all up for a long haul to change these destructive
> >>>> patterns.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe C.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  >>>> <mailto:glen...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
> >>>>   neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
> >>>>   localized in specific areas.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Joe Clarke
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Joe,
> >>>>
> >>>>   I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I
> >>>>   was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and
> >>>>   the gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from
> >>>>   town watch because high income consumers would be made cleaner and
> >>>>   safer through the gentrification.  If residents became dependent
> >>>>   on and obedient to the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason
> >>>>   for town watch anymore than the great culture that we created
> >>>>   ourselves.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of
> >>>>   material possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stres

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

>> I think the financial squeezing by parasitic economics has increased the 
>> plight of all especially those of poor people and those dependent on seizing 
>> as their way of coping with economics, do you disagree?
On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:

> Not funny Brian!
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
> 
>> I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us
>> that the real evil is "upscale."
>> 
>> On 9/14/11, Glenn  wrote:
>>> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe
>>> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>>> 
>>> Jo Ann,
>>> 
>>> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from
>>> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you
>>> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can
>>> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.
>>> Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that
>>> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent
>>> violence!
>>> 
>>> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class
>>> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way
>>> of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young
>>> people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.
>>> 
>>> The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our
>>> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being
>>> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if we
>>> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are
>>> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?
>>> 
>>> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are
>>> vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human
>>> creatures.
>>> 
>>> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle
>>> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations
>>> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's stop
>>> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!
>>> 
>>> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
>>>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I
>>>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the
>>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
>>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
>>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
>>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
>>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
>>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
>>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
>>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>>>> 
>>>> Jo Ann Fishburn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
>>>> *To:* Glenn 
>>>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
>>>> univcity@list.purple.com
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
>>>> Tuesday night
>>>> 
>>>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
>>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
>>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
>>>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.
>>>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the
>>>> disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but
>>>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt
>>>> with immediately.
>>>>  Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are
>>>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the
>>>> consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just
>>>> economics: I think that 

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Brian Siano]

Not meant to be.

On 9/14/11, Richard Conrad  wrote:
> Not funny Brian!

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Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

Not funny Brian!
On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Brian Siano wrote:

> I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us
> that the real evil is "upscale."
> 
> On 9/14/11, Glenn  wrote:
>> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe
>> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>> 
>> Jo Ann,
>> 
>> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from
>> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you
>> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can
>> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.
>> Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that
>> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent
>> violence!
>> 
>> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class
>> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way
>> of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young
>> people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.
>> 
>> The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our
>> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being
>> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if we
>> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are
>> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?
>> 
>> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are
>> vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human
>> creatures.
>> 
>> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle
>> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations
>> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's stop
>> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!
>> 
>> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
>>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I
>>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the
>>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
>>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
>>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
>>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
>>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
>>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
>>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
>>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>>> 
>>> Jo Ann Fishburn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
>>> *To:* Glenn 
>>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
>>> univcity@list.purple.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
>>> Tuesday night
>>> 
>>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
>>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
>>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
>>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.
>>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the
>>> disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but
>>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt
>>> with immediately.
>>>   Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are
>>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the
>>> consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just
>>> economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster
>>> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and
>>> patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with
>>> young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that
>>> prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in
>>> the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite
>>> saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No
>>> sense of future, goals.

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Brian Siano]

I'm so glad Glenn's taken the occasion of a woman's rape to remind us
that the real evil is "upscale."

On 9/14/11, Glenn  wrote:
> We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe
> so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>
> Jo Ann,
>
> There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from
> cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you
> have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can
> easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.
> Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that
> without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent
> violence!
>
> Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class
> securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way
> of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young
> people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.
>
> The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our
> neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being
> disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if we
> don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are
> we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?
>
> Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are
> vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human
> creatures.
>
> As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle
> class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations
> more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's stop
> throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!
>
> On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
>> Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I
>> realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the
>> neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and
>> unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of
>> growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many
>> believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong
>> image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and
>> terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure
>> out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people
>> can flourish. I don't have the answers.
>>
>> Jo Ann Fishburn
>>
>> --------------------------------
>> *From:* Joe Clarke 
>> *To:* Glenn 
>> *Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com;
>> univcity@list.purple.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm
>> Tuesday night
>>
>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts
>> in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.
>> Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need
>> to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.
>> There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the
>> disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but
>> the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt
>> with immediately.
>>Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are
>> extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the
>> consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just
>> economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster
>> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and
>> patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with
>> young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that
>> prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in
>> the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite
>> saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No
>> sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was
>> cute.  What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees -
>> is disastrous for someone who has neither.
>>   The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger
>> issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation
>> that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no j

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Glenn]

We must somehow figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe 
so our young people can flourish. I don't have the answers.


Jo Ann,

There is extreme chronic fear and for good reason.  Many people, from 
cradle to grave, are denied basic security in their lives.  When you 
have no hope for your health care, education, food, etc; anyone can 
easily become a primal animal capable of torture, lies, and violence.  
Aren't those the values we represent around the world?  I know that 
without my study of Buddhism, I would be capable of very intelligent 
violence!


Why would we expect young people, who do not have middle class 
securities, to ignore that all forms of violence and power are the way 
of life?  It's not cute that we guarantee this message to hopeless young 
people.  But that is what we do with corporate megalomania.


The answers aren't so far away.  We choose to turn our backs on our 
neighbors because we beg and worship extreme power.  I'm not being 
disrespectful or glib about any violent crimes happening now!  But if we 
don't recognize the cleaner safer lies of our upscale paradise, how are 
we going to get past this addiction stage called DENIAL?


Schools are underfunded and sabotaged.  Teachers and parents are 
vilified in fake "research"  The poor are blamed as evil sub-human 
creatures.


As I said to Joe, I'm surprised there is not more violence.  The middle 
class answer has long been to abuse the poor and minority populations 
more, so that the power of the parasite rulers is increased!  Let's stop 
throwing in the towel, and start standing for truth and humanity!!


On 9/14/2011 9:45 PM, Jo Ann Fishburn wrote:
Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I 
realized that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the 
neighborhoods is in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and 
unfortunately often schools, are so dangerous that a top priority of 
growing up is developing some way to cope with constant fear. Many 
believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a tough, strong 
image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to victimizing and 
terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow figure 
out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people 
can flourish. I don't have the answers.


Jo Ann Fishburn


*From:* Joe Clarke 
*To:* Glenn 
*Cc:* Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com; 
univcity@list.purple.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
*Subject:* Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm 
Tuesday night


Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts 
in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.  
Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need 
to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.  
There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the 
disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but 
the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt 
with immediately.
   Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are 
extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the 
consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just 
economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster 
culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and 
patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with 
young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that 
prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in 
the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite 
saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No 
sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was 
cute.  What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees - 
is disastrous for someone who has neither.
  The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger 
issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation 
that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, 
addiction, no parenting and the marketing of violent nihilism as a 
life style - set us all up for a long haul to change these destructive 
patterns.


Joe C.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn <mailto:glen...@earthlink.net>> wrote:




On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:

It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
localized in specific areas.

Joe Clarke


Joe,

I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I
was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and
the gentrification.  As I rec

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Jo Ann Fishburn]

Joe, I agree with all that you said. To add to that, over the years I realized 
that so much of young people's behavior in school and in the neighborhoods is 
in reaction to fear. Some neighborhoods, and unfortunately often schools, are 
so dangerous that a top priority of growing up is developing some way to cope 
with constant fear. Many believe, perhaps correctly, that they must project a 
tough, strong image to stay safe. Unfortunately, some extend that to 
victimizing and terrorizing others to maintain that appearance. We must somehow 
figure out how to make our schools and our streets safe so our young people can 
flourish. I don't have the answers.

Jo Ann Fishburn



From: Joe Clarke 
To: Glenn 
Cc: Summer Still ; westphi...@gmail.com; 
univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night


Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts in cars: 
they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.  Many in the 
neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need to do something 
immediately to protect their homes and families.  There is a difference between 
treating the symptom and curing the disease.  The surge in personal crime may 
be caused by inequality, but the immediate and often life-threatening symptom 
needs to be dealt with immediately.  
   Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are extremely 
dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the consequences are for 
their actions.  I don't think it's just economics: I think that there is a 
glorification of the gun/gangster culture that has been commod-ified by the 
entertainment industry and patronized by liberal society as being "cool". 
Having worked with young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude 
that prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in the 
shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite saying or slogan 
to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No sense of future, goals.  We 
in the social services thought it was cute.  What seems cute to me - with a 
work history and two degrees - is disastrous for someone who has neither.  
  The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger issue 
needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation that has many 
facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, addiction, no parenting and the 
marketing of violent nihilism as a life style - set us all up for a long haul 
to change these destructive patterns.

Joe C.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:


>
>On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>
>It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since 
>town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>>
>>Joe Clarke
>>
>
Joe,
>
>I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was first 
>blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the gentrification.  As 
>I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch because high income 
>consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the gentrification.  If 
>residents became dependent on and obedient to the new saviors, there was 
>supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the great culture that we 
>created ourselves.
>
>Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material 
>possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and 
>powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification 
>solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but 
>actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm 
>surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that 
>learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world America.  
>But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent immoral 
>society.
>
>
>Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is one 
>small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've taught chess 
>before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in Philadelphia 
>consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high curriculum for all 
>kids.
>
>When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were much 
>safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose our 
>souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their corporate cronies 
>should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for services in 
>lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community driven culture, 
>and the compassionate/empowering

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

And I would add that even were we all doing our best to solve such problems, we 
are still likely to be VERY hassled by the "damned if you do, damned if you 
don't" treatment by many powerful forces.  I get harassed by those to whom I 
give shelter and by those who should extend me help me in so doing.  God knows

On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:

> No Joe say it is not so
> 
> "Having worked with young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the 
> attitude that prevails among them.."
> 
> Isn't perhaps one of the biggest problems for homeless people also the fact 
> that they cannot somehow be allowed to have their own homes???
> 
> Homeless or hopeless... they both are big... and both is bigger than either 
> one.
> 
> Though I do, at the same time, agree, "glorification of the gun/gangster 
> culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and 
> patronized by liberal society as being "cool" and I think your statement is, 
> a superbly put, and very cogent observation.
> 
> But;  "It is what it is.."  is also a brilliant display of faith, hope, 
> charity, and a Camus-esque truism.  Most 'Homeless' people I know have very 
> strong 'work histories' but lack large bank accounts, or arbitrators for 
> their inter-dependant relationships regarding tenure, power, health, and 
> other kinds of security.  Cultural change towards better society is like 
> earth's peoples seeking a wedding with a trans finite Good...
> 
> Most of the ways of even great prophets seem faced with multiple 
> contradictions and binds.  But it should not be nihilistic which includes 
> everybody's "only our side counts" attitudes.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> 
>> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts in 
>> cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.  Many in the 
>> neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need to do something 
>> immediately to protect their homes and families.  There is a difference 
>> between treating the symptom and curing the disease.  The surge in personal 
>> crime may be caused by inequality, but the immediate and often 
>> life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt with immediately.  
>>Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are extremely 
>> dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the consequences are 
>> for their actions.  I don't think it's just economics: I think that there is 
>> a glorification of the gun/gangster culture that has been commod-ified by 
>> the entertainment industry and patronized by liberal society as being 
>> "cool". Having worked with young homeless people, the biggest challenge is 
>> the attitude that prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a 
>> graduation in the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a 
>> favorite saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No 
>> sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was cute.  
>> What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees - is disastrous 
>> for someone who has neither.  
>>   The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger issue 
>> needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation that has many 
>> facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, addiction, no parenting and 
>> the marketing of violent nihilism as a life style - set us all up for a long 
>> haul to change these destructive patterns.
>> 
>> Joe C.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since 
>> town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>> 
>> Joe Clarke
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was first 
>> blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the gentrification.  
>> As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch because high income 
>> consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the gentrification.  If 
>> residents became dependent on and obedient to the new saviors, there was 
>> supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the great culture that we 
>> created ourselves.
>> 
>> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material 
>> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and 
>> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification 
>> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but 
>> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm 
>> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that 
>> learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world 
>> America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent 
>> immoral society.
>> 
>> 
>> Joe, the work you are doing

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

No Joe say it is not so

"Having worked with young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the 
attitude that prevails among them.."

Isn't perhaps one of the biggest problems for homeless people also the fact 
that they cannot somehow be allowed to have their own homes???

Homeless or hopeless... they both are big... and both is bigger than either one.

Though I do, at the same time, agree, "glorification of the gun/gangster 
culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and patronized 
by liberal society as being "cool" and I think your statement is, a superbly 
put, and very cogent observation.

But;  "It is what it is.."  is also a brilliant display of faith, hope, 
charity, and a Camus-esque truism.  Most 'Homeless' people I know have very 
strong 'work histories' but lack large bank accounts, or arbitrators for their 
inter-dependant relationships regarding tenure, power, health, and other kinds 
of security.  Cultural change towards better society is like earth's peoples 
seeking a wedding with a trans finite Good...

Most of the ways of even great prophets seem faced with multiple contradictions 
and binds.  But it should not be nihilistic which includes everybody's "only 
our side counts" attitudes.



On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:

> Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts in 
> cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.  Many in the 
> neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need to do something 
> immediately to protect their homes and families.  There is a difference 
> between treating the symptom and curing the disease.  The surge in personal 
> crime may be caused by inequality, but the immediate and often 
> life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt with immediately.  
>Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are extremely 
> dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the consequences are 
> for their actions.  I don't think it's just economics: I think that there is 
> a glorification of the gun/gangster culture that has been commod-ified by the 
> entertainment industry and patronized by liberal society as being "cool". 
> Having worked with young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the 
> attitude that prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a 
> graduation in the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a 
> favorite saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No 
> sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was cute.  What 
> seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees - is disastrous for 
> someone who has neither.  
>   The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger issue 
> needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation that has many 
> facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, addiction, no parenting and 
> the marketing of violent nihilism as a life style - set us all up for a long 
> haul to change these destructive patterns.
> 
> Joe C.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since 
> town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
> 
> Joe Clarke
> 
> Joe,
> 
> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was first 
> blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the gentrification.  
> As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch because high income 
> consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the gentrification.  If 
> residents became dependent on and obedient to the new saviors, there was 
> supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the great culture that we 
> created ourselves.
> 
> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material 
> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and 
> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification 
> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but 
> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm 
> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that 
> learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world America. 
>  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent immoral 
> society.
> 
> 
> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is one 
> small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've taught 
> chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in 
> Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high 
> curriculum for all kids.
> 
> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were 
> much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose 
> our souls and freedom.  The 

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Glenn]

Joe,

Thanks for your thoughts.  I mainly agree with your assessment of 
nihilism in young people, and I would add, institutional nihilism ruling 
the middle class. This is an important issue for all of us to confront 
in ourselves and discuss!


Yes, there are immediate problems.  No, the DA, police, and 
gentrification are not interested in finding the solutions!  These power 
pawns will continue the same policies, obeying the same power 
structures, as ten years ago.


Yes, the complex causes of our problems were not created overnight and 
while short term strategies may be needed; WE CONTINUE TO BE LED BY 
CRISIS AND FAKE SOLUTIONS!  We are never looking at real data from the 
corporate controlled institutions, and the people with real and 
important projects are always silenced.


American crime and local crime is a long term issue because it is 
largely caused by generations of injustice and oppression.  It was ten 
years ago that little kids learned about exclusion from kicking a soccer 
ball in Clark Park!  FAKE SOLUTIONS HURT ALL OF US AND GUARANTEE THE 
CONTINUATION OF SERIOUS PROBLEMS!


Your suggestion about town watch is empowering on many levels! Power to 
the people! Thanks again for serious discussion!


Sincerely,
Glenn


On 9/14/2011 8:11 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts 
in cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.  
Many in the neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need 
to do something immediately to protect their homes and families.  
There is a difference between treating the symptom and curing the 
disease.  The surge in personal crime may be caused by inequality, but 
the immediate and often life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt 
with immediately.
   Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are 
extremely dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the 
consequences are for their actions.  I don't think it's just 
economics: I think that there is a glorification of the gun/gangster 
culture that has been commod-ified by the entertainment industry and 
patronized by liberal society as being "cool". Having worked with 
young homeless people, the biggest challenge is the attitude that 
prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a graduation in 
the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a favorite 
saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No 
sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was 
cute.  What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees - 
is disastrous for someone who has neither.
  The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger 
issue needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation 
that has many facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, 
addiction, no parenting and the marketing of violent nihilism as a 
life style - set us all up for a long haul to change these destructive 
patterns.


Joe C.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn > wrote:




On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:

It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
localized in specific areas.

Joe Clarke


Joe,

I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I
was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and
the gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from
town watch because high income consumers would be made cleaner and
safer through the gentrification.  If residents became dependent
on and obedient to the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason
for town watch anymore than the great culture that we created
ourselves.

Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of
material possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress,
desperation, and powerlessness would also predict increased crime.
 The gentrification solutions that have been shoved down our
throats are not only fake, but actually increase the likelihood of
violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm surprised that there is not
more crime, but we've known for a long time that learned
helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world
America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our
violent immoral society.


Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful,
and is one small example of projects that make society a safer
place.  (I've taught chess before to gifted kids and I would love
to help you if I were in Philadelphia consistently).  I would make
chess part of the junior high curriculum for all kids.

When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture
and were much safer.  The police state does not make any of us
safer, while we lose our 

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

If you did not do the thing I think you accuse, if you tried to understand 
Glenn and the issues, with your whole hearted spiritual self toe to head... not 
just your persona...  Does this make sense:  we all need to find solutions and 
make the world a better place.  Less of their collective chess maybe... and 
perhaps more cleaning up our mess.   
On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Mike V. wrote:

> If you think that Glenn is trying to open a dialogue and not just indulging 
> in his typical mean-spirited ego-masturbation, you must have been on a 
> different UC listserv for the last eight years.
> 
> I used to think that his mad rants were a result of crass economic interests 
> intersecting with a dirty mouth and a general lack of ethics and civility, 
> but over the years I've actually come to think that he's got real personal 
> problems, and he tries to exorcise his demons with the email equivalent of a 
> man on SEPTA exposing himself to little girls. By casting himself as the 
> David to the Goliath of some shadow conspiracy that seeks to ruin the lives 
> of west philly residents by cleaning up fallen trees and discarded mattresses 
> and providing free safety escorts to local residents, Glenn gets to feel like 
> a big shot crusader instead of some impotent gasbag in a sweat-stained 
> undershirt and mismatched house slippers.
> 
> But that's just me.
> 
> - Mike .
> 
> Richard Conrad  wrote:
> 
>> The opposite of a screed is what, a bombast??  Glenn did not talk about 
>> robbery and sexual assault as not very concerning but rather as being 
>> related to racism, disrespect and poverty and the economic situation now 
>> being economic madness and that we must see oppression as being a crime that 
>> contributed to conditions which probably effected a lot of whatever crime 
>> takes place or just took place..
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Mike VanHelder wrote:
>> 
>>> It's amazing how Glenn manages to turn a thread about a robbery and sexual 
>>> assault into another paranoid and vitriolic 
>>> anti-UCD/Penn/government/Martian screed.  Well, I guess "amazing" is the 
>>> wrong word, since I'm not surprised so much as disgusted again and again 
>>> and again.
>>> 
>>> WATCH THE SKIES, CITIZENS!  THE MARTIANS ARE COMING!
>>> 
>>> - Mike V.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>>> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), 
>>> since town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>>> 
>>> Joe Clarke
>>> 
>>> Joe,
>>> 
>>> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was 
>>> first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the 
>>> gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch 
>>> because high income consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the 
>>> gentrification.  If residents became dependent on and obedient to the new 
>>> saviors, there was supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the 
>>> great culture that we created ourselves.
>>> 
>>> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material 
>>> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and 
>>> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification 
>>> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but 
>>> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm 
>>> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time 
>>> that learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world 
>>> America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent 
>>> immoral society.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is 
>>> one small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've 
>>> taught chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were 
>>> in Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high 
>>> curriculum for all kids.
>>> 
>>> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were 
>>> much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose 
>>> our souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their corporate 
>>> cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for 
>>> services in lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community 
>>> driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will 
>>> help crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston University pays five million a 
>>> year to the city of Boston)
>>> 
>>> Glenn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the
>>> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see
>>> .
>>> 
>> 


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Fwd: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Fran Byers]

Hi, Everyone,



 Lt. McBride sent this response.

   Fran


-Original Message-
From: Brian McBride 
To: Fran Byers 
Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 2:30 pm
Subject: RE: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night


Fran,
I am sure area residents are upset and appalled, and rightly so, about the 
commission of this heinous crime. Let me assure you that the Police Department 
and myself are also appalled, and are prepared to use all of our available 
resources to apprehend these deviant individuals.
Lt. McBride


From: Fran Byers [mailto:frby...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Brian McBride
Subject: Fwd: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night



Hi, Lt. McBride,



 There are three messages below, beginning with the bottom one.  I am sure 
there will be people concerned about this at our meeting tomorrow evening.
 
  Fran


-Original Message-
From: Summer Still 
To: westphilly ; univcity 
Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 9:12 am
Subject: RE: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night


Completely outrageous!  
Too much robbery success in West Philly jungle emboldened the thugs. Not just 
the training ground for entry level type crimes. 


If I don't hear that these two animals are being apprehended, that the 
community is setting cameras to facilitate recognition of criminals and show 
some resistance - soon, then arming oneself will be the only option in 
preparation for heading elsewhere, with decent health care system. less global 
invasion ambition and spending on expense of peoples' welfare [in it's true 
meaning] and education - quiet reachably.  


These might be the same two who were clearly eluding the undercover guys up 
46th street [out/into Osage, one in seemingly popular pleaded shirt] and thus, 
just a bit in a hurry, last week as I was coming back home, but not the same 
ones who I saw [measuring me the same way though] 15 minutes after they robbed 
my guests on their second successful assault that night couple of years ago 
when white t-shirts were all the robbery fashion rage. What are we doing?!
I cannot reproduce the video for police to see [nor even rerun it for details 
catching] since my head doesn't record that way but we have options with 
technology. What have we been doing?! 


900 block 48th is a block or two south of our Baltimore 'business corridor' 
with Gold Standard and Calvary Church at that corner. Not acceptable!



Cannot have 'Penn', UCD or police watch every inch of the neighborhood every 
minute. 
{Steaming...}
Ana


From: westphi...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com

Patty,

  Was there any official report sent out last night or this morning from 
the Penn police or the police at the precinct at 55th and Pine?


Mario Giorno
westphi...@gmail.com


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Patty Bulack  wrote:

Hello All,
 
I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A couple 
was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens who took 
them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman was raped, 
and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African American, ages 
19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and medium build.  Not 
much more detail than that at this point, except that one of them was wearing a 
plaid shirt.
 
Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not alone.
 
Patty Bulack




-- 
Mario Giorno
PO Box 30932
Philadelphia, PA 19104
westphi...@gmail.com

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Glenn]

Town watch is fine but I still don't understand why bike police patrols 
have been discontinued in this area.  Many years ago the community 
contributed $6000 to equip three police officers on bikes.  They were 
based at the Police Substation at Chester and 47th and they were 
extremely effective in patrolling the immediate neighborhood.  Now they 
have been moved to the area close to UPenn, leaving us without that 
protection.


Gerardo Razumney


Gerardo,

Thanks for sharing this info.  I remember being told of this substation 
history without understanding the details.


Since you recognize that "master planners" are making these decisions 
without a real participation from the public, you need to consider their 
real goals.


If I betted, I would bet that the goal of creating dependence was 
operating the same as occurred with the deconstruction of town watches, 
and the carrot/stick approach to cultural traditions like the clark park 
festivals.


They call you guys "the frontier" to make you feel animosity toward your 
neighbors.  Then, they destroy your effective strategies for community 
and security with false promises.


Ask yourself:  Should your helpless neighborhood not beg the university 
controlled police state for extreme protection on the frontier?  Do you 
think they give a damn about your neighborhood when their goal is 
dividing the city???


You guys need to recognize that the same "planners" that privatized and 
commodified Clark Park never cared for your neighborhood security but 
tried to capitalize on your fears.  In my opinion, they wanted the fear, 
racism and classism to increase in your neighborhood!!


Sincerely,
Glenn



On 9/14/2011 5:50 PM, Gerardo Razumney wrote:
Town watch is fine but I still don't understand why bike police 
patrols have been discontinued in this area.  Many years ago the 
community contributed $6000 to equip three police officers on bikes.  
They were based at the Police Substation at Chester and 47th and they 
were extremely effective in patrolling the immediate neighborhood.  
Now they have been moved to the area close to UPenn, leaving us 
without that protection.


Gerardo Razumney

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke <mailto:philly.jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
localized in specific areas.

Joe Clarke


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Summer Still
mailto:archange...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Completely outrageous!
Too much robbery success in West Philly jungle emboldened the
thugs. Not just the training ground for entry level type crimes.

If I don't hear that these two animals are being apprehended,
that the community is setting cameras to facilitate
recognition of criminals and show some resistance - soon, then
arming oneself will be the only option in preparation for
heading elsewhere, with decent health care system. less global
invasion ambition and spending on expense of peoples' welfare
[in it's true meaning] and education - quiet reachably.

These might be the same two who were clearly eluding
the undercover guys up 46th street [out/into Osage, one in
seemingly popular pleaded shirt] and thus, just a bit in a
hurry, last week as I was coming back home, but not the same
ones who I saw [measuring me the same way though] 15 minutes
after they robbed my guests on their second successful assault
that night couple of years ago when white t-shirts were all
the robbery fashion rage. What are we doing?!
I cannot reproduce the video for police to see [nor even rerun
it for details catching] since my head doesn't record that way
but we have options with technology. What have we been doing?!

900 block 48th is a block or two south of our Baltimore
'business corridor' with Gold Standard and Calvary Church at
that corner. Not acceptable!

Cannot have 'Penn', UCD or police watch every inch of the
neighborhood every minute.
{Steaming...}
Ana


From: westphi...@gmail.com <mailto:westphi...@gmail.com>
    Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10
pm Tuesday night
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com <mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com>


Patty,

  Was there any official report sent out last night or
this morning from the Penn police or the police at the
precinct at 55th and Pine?


Mario Giorno
westphi...@gmail.com <mailto:westphi...@gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Joe Clarke]

Glenn,  I hear you.  It's like the argument for not putting seat belts in
cars: they might make the customer feel that driving is unsafe.  Many in the
neighborhood are long-time, resident home-owners, and need to do something
immediately to protect their homes and families.  There is a difference
between treating the symptom and curing the disease.  The surge in personal
crime may be caused by inequality, but the immediate and often
life-threatening symptom needs to be dealt with immediately.
   Most of the young men and women involved in these crimes are extremely
dangerous; partly, because they have no sense of what the consequences are
for their actions.  I don't think it's just economics: I think that there is
a glorification of the gun/gangster culture that has been commod-ified by
the entertainment industry and patronized by liberal society as being
"cool". Having worked with young homeless people, the biggest challenge is
the attitude that prevails among them, and  is largely nihilistic.  At a
graduation in the shelter, many of the graduates were asked to select a
favorite saying or slogan to live by.  Most chose: "It is what it is!".  No
sense of future, goals.  We in the social services thought it was cute.
What seems cute to me - with a work history and two degrees - is disastrous
for someone who has neither.
  The crime needs to be dealt with swiftly and forcefully; the larger issue
needs to be worked on as well, but it is a complex situation that has many
facets - gun control, failing schools, no jobs, addiction, no parenting and
the marketing of violent nihilism as a life style - set us all up for a long
haul to change these destructive patterns.

Joe C.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:

>
>
> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>
>> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s),
>> since town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>>
>> Joe Clarke
>>
>
> Joe,
>
> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was
> first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the
> gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch
> because high income consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the
> gentrification.  If residents became dependent on and obedient to the new
> saviors, there was supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the
> great culture that we created ourselves.
>
> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material
> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and
> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification
> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but
> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm
> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that
> learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world
> America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent
> immoral society.
>
>
> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is
> one small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've taught
> chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in
> Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high
> curriculum for all kids.
>
> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were
> much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose
> our souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their corporate
> cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for
> services in lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community
> driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will
> help crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston University pays five million a
> year to the city of Boston)
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
I think what weakens people most is fear of wasting their strength.
 Etty Hillesum

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Mike V.]

If you think that Glenn is trying to open a dialogue and not just indulging in 
his typical mean-spirited ego-masturbation, you must have been on a different 
UC listserv for the last eight years.

I used to think that his mad rants were a result of crass economic interests 
intersecting with a dirty mouth and a general lack of ethics and civility, but 
over the years I've actually come to think that he's got real personal 
problems, and he tries to exorcise his demons with the email equivalent of a 
man on SEPTA exposing himself to little girls. By casting himself as the David 
to the Goliath of some shadow conspiracy that seeks to ruin the lives of west 
philly residents by cleaning up fallen trees and discarded mattresses and 
providing free safety escorts to local residents, Glenn gets to feel like a big 
shot crusader instead of some impotent gasbag in a sweat-stained undershirt and 
mismatched house slippers.

But that's just me.

- Mike .

Richard Conrad  wrote:

>The opposite of a screed is what, a bombast??  Glenn did not talk about 
>robbery and sexual assault as not very concerning but rather as being related 
>to racism, disrespect and poverty and the economic situation now being 
>economic madness and that we must see oppression as being a crime that 
>contributed to conditions which probably effected a lot of whatever crime 
>takes place or just took place..
>
>On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Mike VanHelder wrote:
>
>> It's amazing how Glenn manages to turn a thread about a robbery and sexual 
>> assault into another paranoid and vitriolic anti-UCD/Penn/government/Martian 
>> screed.  Well, I guess "amazing" is the wrong word, since I'm not surprised 
>> so much as disgusted again and again and again.
>> 
>> WATCH THE SKIES, CITIZENS!  THE MARTIANS ARE COMING!
>> 
>> - Mike V.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since 
>> town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>> 
>> Joe Clarke
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was first 
>> blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the gentrification.  
>> As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch because high income 
>> consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the gentrification.  If 
>> residents became dependent on and obedient to the new saviors, there was 
>> supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the great culture that we 
>> created ourselves.
>> 
>> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material 
>> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and 
>> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification 
>> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but 
>> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm 
>> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that 
>> learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world 
>> America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent 
>> immoral society.
>> 
>> 
>> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is one 
>> small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've taught 
>> chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in 
>> Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high 
>> curriculum for all kids.
>> 
>> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were 
>> much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose 
>> our souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their corporate 
>> cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for 
>> services in lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community 
>> driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will 
>> help crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston University pays five million a 
>> year to the city of Boston)
>> 
>> Glenn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the
>> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see
>> .
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Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Richard Conrad]

The opposite of a screed is what, a bombast??  Glenn did not talk about robbery 
and sexual assault as not very concerning but rather as being related to 
racism, disrespect and poverty and the economic situation now being economic 
madness and that we must see oppression as being a crime that contributed to 
conditions which probably effected a lot of whatever crime takes place or just 
took place..

On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Mike VanHelder wrote:

> It's amazing how Glenn manages to turn a thread about a robbery and sexual 
> assault into another paranoid and vitriolic anti-UCD/Penn/government/Martian 
> screed.  Well, I guess "amazing" is the wrong word, since I'm not surprised 
> so much as disgusted again and again and again.
> 
> WATCH THE SKIES, CITIZENS!  THE MARTIANS ARE COMING!
> 
> - Mike V.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since 
> town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
> 
> Joe Clarke
> 
> Joe,
> 
> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was first 
> blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the gentrification.  
> As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch because high income 
> consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the gentrification.  If 
> residents became dependent on and obedient to the new saviors, there was 
> supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the great culture that we 
> created ourselves.
> 
> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material 
> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and 
> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification 
> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but 
> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm 
> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that 
> learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world America. 
>  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent immoral 
> society.
> 
> 
> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is one 
> small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've taught 
> chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in 
> Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high 
> curriculum for all kids.
> 
> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were 
> much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose 
> our souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their corporate 
> cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for 
> services in lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community 
> driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will help 
> crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston University pays five million a year 
> to the city of Boston)
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Gerardo Razumney]

Town watch is fine but I still don't understand why bike police patrols have
been discontinued in this area.  Many years ago the community contributed
$6000 to equip three police officers on bikes.  They were based at the
Police Substation at Chester and 47th and they were extremely effective in
patrolling the immediate neighborhood.  Now they have been moved to the area
close to UPenn, leaving us without that protection.

Gerardo Razumney

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke  wrote:

> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s),
> since town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>
> Joe Clarke
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Summer Still wrote:
>
>>  Completely outrageous!
>> Too much robbery success in West Philly jungle emboldened the thugs. Not
>> just the training ground for entry level type crimes.
>>
>> If I don't hear that these two animals are being apprehended, that the
>> community is setting cameras to facilitate recognition of criminals and show
>> some resistance - soon, then arming oneself will be the only option in
>> preparation for heading elsewhere, with decent health care system. less
>> global invasion ambition and spending on expense of peoples' welfare [in
>> it's true meaning] and education - quiet reachably.
>>
>> These might be the same two who were clearly eluding the undercover guys
>> up 46th street [out/into Osage, one in seemingly popular pleaded shirt] and
>> thus, just a bit in a hurry, last week as I was coming back home, but not
>> the same ones who I saw [measuring me the same way though] 15 minutes after
>> they robbed my guests on their second successful assault that night couple
>> of years ago when white t-shirts were all the robbery fashion rage. What are
>> we doing?!
>> I cannot reproduce the video for police to see [nor even rerun it for
>> details catching] since my head doesn't record that way but we have options
>> with technology. What have we been doing?!
>>
>> 900 block 48th is a block or two south of our Baltimore 'business
>> corridor' with Gold Standard and Calvary Church at that corner. Not
>> acceptable!
>>
>> Cannot have 'Penn', UCD or police watch every inch of the neighborhood
>> every minute.
>> {Steaming...}
>> Ana
>>
>> --
>> From: westphi...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday
>> night
>> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
>>
>>
>> Patty,
>>
>>   Was there any official report sent out last night or this morning
>> from the Penn police or the police at the precinct at 55th and Pine?
>>
>>
>> Mario Giorno
>> westphi...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Patty Bulack  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A
>> couple was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens
>> who took them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman
>> was raped, and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African
>> American, ages 19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and
>> medium build.  Not much more detail than that at this point, except that one
>> of them was wearing a plaid shirt.
>>
>> Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not
>> alone.
>>
>> Patty Bulack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mario Giorno
>> PO Box 30932
>> Philadelphia, PA 19104
>> westphi...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> I think what weakens people most is fear of wasting their strength.
>  Etty 
> Hillesum<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/ettyhilles124704.html>
>
>

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Glenn]

Mikey, I know you are too stupid to understand much of anything.

Joe made a reasonable suggestion about organizing town watch.  I simply 
wanted Joe and others to understand what I learned from others long 
ago.  Town watch was deconstructed to foster dependence and not abandoned.


Now, go back under your rock, and roll around in your barking cheese slime.

On 9/14/2011 5:26 PM, Mike VanHelder wrote:
It's amazing how Glenn manages to turn a thread about a robbery and 
sexual assault into another paranoid and vitriolic 
anti-UCD/Penn/government/Martian screed.  Well, I guess "amazing" is 
the wrong word, since I'm not surprised so much as disgusted again and 
again and again.


WATCH THE SKIES, CITIZENS!  THE MARTIANS ARE COMING!

- Mike V.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn > wrote:




On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:

It may be time again to organize a town watch for the
neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is
localized in specific areas.

Joe Clarke


Joe,

I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I
was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and
the gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from
town watch because high income consumers would be made cleaner and
safer through the gentrification.  If residents became dependent
on and obedient to the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason
for town watch anymore than the great culture that we created
ourselves.

Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of
material possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress,
desperation, and powerlessness would also predict increased crime.
 The gentrification solutions that have been shoved down our
throats are not only fake, but actually increase the likelihood of
violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm surprised that there is not
more crime, but we've known for a long time that learned
helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world
America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our
violent immoral society.


Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful,
and is one small example of projects that make society a safer
place.  (I've taught chess before to gifted kids and I would love
to help you if I were in Philadelphia consistently).  I would make
chess part of the junior high curriculum for all kids.

When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture
and were much safer.  The police state does not make any of us
safer, while we lose our souls and freedom.  The University of
Plutocracy and their corporate cronies should be forced to pay
their fare share of taxes or payments for services in lieu of
taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community driven
culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will
help crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston University pays five
million a year to the city of Boston)

Glenn





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Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Mike VanHelder]

It's amazing how Glenn manages to turn a thread about a robbery and sexual
assault into another paranoid and vitriolic anti-UCD/Penn/government/Martian
screed.  Well, I guess "amazing" is the wrong word, since I'm not surprised
so much as disgusted again and again and again.

WATCH THE SKIES, CITIZENS!  THE MARTIANS ARE COMING!

- Mike V.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn  wrote:

>
>
> On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>
>> It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s),
>> since town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.
>>
>> Joe Clarke
>>
>
> Joe,
>
> I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was
> first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the
> gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch
> because high income consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the
> gentrification.  If residents became dependent on and obedient to the new
> saviors, there was supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the
> great culture that we created ourselves.
>
> Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material
> possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and
> powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The gentrification
> solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but
> actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime.  Frankly, I'm
> surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that
> learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world
> America.  But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent
> immoral society.
>
>
> Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is
> one small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've taught
> chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in
> Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the junior high
> curriculum for all kids.
>
> When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were
> much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose
> our souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their corporate
> cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for
> services in lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town watch, community
> driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will
> help crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston University pays five million a
> year to the city of Boston)
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Glenn]

On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), 
since town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.


Joe Clarke


Joe,

I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was 
first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the 
gentrification.  As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch 
because high income consumers would be made cleaner and safer through 
the gentrification.  If residents became dependent on and obedient to 
the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason for town watch anymore 
than the great culture that we created ourselves.


Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of 
material possessions.  I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, 
desperation, and powerlessness would also predict increased crime.  The 
gentrification solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not 
only fake, but actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless 
crime.  Frankly, I'm surprised that there is not more crime, but we've 
known for a long time that learned helplessness defines the lives of 
most people in third world America.  But violent crime shouldn't be 
surprising anyone in our violent immoral society.



Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is 
one small example of projects that make society a safer place.  (I've 
taught chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I 
were in Philadelphia consistently).  I would make chess part of the 
junior high curriculum for all kids.


When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and 
were much safer.  The police state does not make any of us safer, while 
we lose our souls and freedom.  The University of Plutocracy and their 
corporate cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or 
payments for services in lieu of taxes.  Then, we could support town 
watch, community driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering 
interventions that will help crime be reduced to a minimum.  (Boston 
University pays five million a year to the city of Boston)


Glenn





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RE: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Lalevic, Darco]

I was walking my dog right around that time at the corner of 48th and 
Warrington and saw and heard nothing.

From: owner-univc...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univc...@list.purple.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:24 AM
To: Summer Still
Cc: westphi...@gmail.com; univcity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since 
town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.

Joe Clarke
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Summer Still 
mailto:archange...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Completely outrageous!
Too much robbery success in West Philly jungle emboldened the thugs. Not just 
the training ground for entry level type crimes.

If I don't hear that these two animals are being apprehended, that the 
community is setting cameras to facilitate recognition of criminals and show 
some resistance - soon, then arming oneself will be the only option in 
preparation for heading elsewhere, with decent health care system. less global 
invasion ambition and spending on expense of peoples' welfare [in it's true 
meaning] and education - quiet reachably.

These might be the same two who were clearly eluding the undercover guys up 
46th street [out/into Osage, one in seemingly popular pleaded shirt] and thus, 
just a bit in a hurry, last week as I was coming back home, but not the same 
ones who I saw [measuring me the same way though] 15 minutes after they robbed 
my guests on their second successful assault that night couple of years ago 
when white t-shirts were all the robbery fashion rage. What are we doing?!
I cannot reproduce the video for police to see [nor even rerun it for details 
catching] since my head doesn't record that way but we have options with 
technology. What have we been doing?!

900 block 48th is a block or two south of our Baltimore 'business corridor' 
with Gold Standard and Calvary Church at that corner. Not acceptable!

Cannot have 'Penn', UCD or police watch every inch of the neighborhood every 
minute.
{Steaming...}
Ana

From: westphi...@gmail.com<mailto:westphi...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com>


Patty,

  Was there any official report sent out last night or this morning from 
the Penn police or the police at the precinct at 55th and Pine?


Mario Giorno
westphi...@gmail.com<mailto:westphi...@gmail.com>
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Patty Bulack 
mailto:pbul...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello All,

I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A couple 
was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens who took 
them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman was raped, 
and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African American, ages 
19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and medium build.  Not 
much more detail than that at this point, except that one of them was wearing a 
plaid shirt.

Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not alone.

Patty Bulack



--
Mario Giorno
PO Box 30932
Philadelphia, PA 19104
westphi...@gmail.com<mailto:westphi...@gmail.com>



--
I think what weakens people most is fear of wasting their strength.
Etty Hillesum<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/ettyhilles124704.html>

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Joe Clarke]

It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since
town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas.

Joe Clarke

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Summer Still wrote:

>  Completely outrageous!
> Too much robbery success in West Philly jungle emboldened the thugs. Not
> just the training ground for entry level type crimes.
>
> If I don't hear that these two animals are being apprehended, that the
> community is setting cameras to facilitate recognition of criminals and show
> some resistance - soon, then arming oneself will be the only option in
> preparation for heading elsewhere, with decent health care system. less
> global invasion ambition and spending on expense of peoples' welfare [in
> it's true meaning] and education - quiet reachably.
>
> These might be the same two who were clearly eluding the undercover guys
> up 46th street [out/into Osage, one in seemingly popular pleaded shirt] and
> thus, just a bit in a hurry, last week as I was coming back home, but not
> the same ones who I saw [measuring me the same way though] 15 minutes after
> they robbed my guests on their second successful assault that night couple
> of years ago when white t-shirts were all the robbery fashion rage. What are
> we doing?!
> I cannot reproduce the video for police to see [nor even rerun it for
> details catching] since my head doesn't record that way but we have options
> with technology. What have we been doing?!
>
> 900 block 48th is a block or two south of our Baltimore 'business corridor'
> with Gold Standard and Calvary Church at that corner. Not acceptable!
>
> Cannot have 'Penn', UCD or police watch every inch of the neighborhood
> every minute.
> {Steaming...}
> Ana
>
> ----------------------
> From: westphi...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400
> Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday
> night
> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
>
>
> Patty,
>
>   Was there any official report sent out last night or this morning
> from the Penn police or the police at the precinct at 55th and Pine?
>
>
> Mario Giorno
> westphi...@gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Patty Bulack  wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A
> couple was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens
> who took them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman
> was raped, and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African
> American, ages 19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and
> medium build.  Not much more detail than that at this point, except that one
> of them was wearing a plaid shirt.
>
> Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not
> alone.
>
> Patty Bulack
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mario Giorno
> PO Box 30932
> Philadelphia, PA 19104
> westphi...@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
I think what weakens people most is fear of wasting their strength.
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RE: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Summer Still]

Completely outrageous! Too much robbery success in West Philly jungle 
emboldened the thugs. Not just the training ground for entry level type crimes. 
If I don't hear that these two animals are being apprehended, that the 
community is setting cameras to facilitate recognition of criminals and show 
some resistance - soon, then arming oneself will be the only option in 
preparation for heading elsewhere, with decent health care system. less global 
invasion ambition and spending on expense of peoples' welfare [in it's true 
meaning] and education - quiet reachably.  
These might be the same two who were clearly eluding the undercover guys up 
46th street [out/into Osage, one in seemingly popular pleaded shirt] and thus, 
just a bit in a hurry, last week as I was coming back home, but not the same 
ones who I saw [measuring me the same way though] 15 minutes after they robbed 
my guests on their second successful assault that night couple of years ago 
when white t-shirts were all the robbery fashion rage. What are we doing?!I 
cannot reproduce the video for police to see [nor even rerun it for details 
catching] since my head doesn't record that way but we have options with 
technology. What have we been doing?! 
900 block 48th is a block or two south of our Baltimore 'business corridor' 
with Gold Standard and Calvary Church at that corner. Not acceptable!
Cannot have 'Penn', UCD or police watch every inch of the neighborhood every 
minute. {Steaming...}Ana

From: westphi...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:50:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com

Patty,

  Was there any official report sent out last night or this morning from 
the Penn police or the police at the precinct at 55th and Pine?


Mario Giorno
westphi...@gmail.com



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Patty Bulack  wrote:


Hello All,
 
I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A couple 
was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens who took 
them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman was raped, 
and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African American, ages 
19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and medium build.  Not 
much more detail than that at this point, except that one of them was wearing a 
plaid shirt.



 
Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not alone.
 
Patty Bulack


-- 
Mario Giorno

PO Box 30932Philadelphia, PA 19104

westphi...@gmail.com

  

Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Mario Giorno]

Patty,

  Was there any official report sent out last night or this morning from
the Penn police or the police at the precinct at 55th and Pine?


Mario Giorno
westphi...@gmail.com

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Patty Bulack  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A
> couple was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens
> who took them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman
> was raped, and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African
> American, ages 19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and
> medium build.  Not much more detail than that at this point, except that one
> of them was wearing a plaid shirt.
>
> Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not
> alone.
>
> Patty Bulack
>



-- 
Mario Giorno
PO Box 30932
Philadelphia, PA 19104
westphi...@gmail.com

[UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night

[Patty Bulack]

Hello All,

I am distressed to report that a rape occurred tonight on our block.  A
couple was walking on the east side of 48th St., when approached by 2 teens
who took them into a nearby backyard at gunpoint.  At that time, the woman
was raped, and they were then robbed.  The teens are described as African
American, ages 19 and 15, one about 160 lbs, and the other about 5'2" and
medium build.  Not much more detail than that at this point, except that one
of them was wearing a plaid shirt.

Please be vigilant - obviously it didn't matter that this woman was not
alone.

Patty Bulack