Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
Thanks. I always sort of thought so; especially since I couldn¹t Google that story. On 10/24/08 10:10 PM, Dave Axler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilma: That story about Irvine's history is an urban legend. It was actually designed by prominent architect Horace Trumbauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Trumbauer), who was also responsible for the Keswick Theatre, the Public Ledger Building, and campus buildings for Hahnemann, Jefferson, Duke, Harvard, and the Tyler School of Art. And, on a related and timely note: I don't know if they still do it, but it used to be that every year, around Hallowe'en, the original silent version of The Phantom of the Opera would be shown at Irvine, with accompaniment on the Curtis Organ. Dave -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center I went there on Sept. 26th for GI because it¹s moved to the 4th floor in the Perelman Center. They have built and named new streets in order to enter the Free Parking Garage for Patients. (try to find it!) It was quiet, not crowded and easy to get through because it¹s not quite finished. Still, it is ugly, forbidding and most certainly not pedestrian friendly as most of Penn¹s modern buildings. Gee, everyone thought Irvine Auditorium was poorly designed, but he forced them to construct it because he became rich and donated money despite not making it at Penn¹s School of Architecture. I also hate that Lego building at 40th Chestnut Sts. On 10/24/08 4:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beloved friends and neighbors: Inga Saffron wrote an article in the Inquirer berating the architectural design of Penn's new Perelman Cancer Center across from CHOP. One of the reader comments -- as follows -- could well have been written about our own monstrous consequence of Penn's lack of architectural sensitivity. Inga Saffron is an architecture critic, and what she has done is appropriately critiqued the style of this building, not its internal qualifications as a treatment center. Pandering for sympathy is not going to change the fact that architecturally, this building doesn't do its job. Yes, hospitals have to accommodate vehicles, but in a city any building has a responsibility to do its part relating to its surroundings. This building may do its job as a hospital, but it completely ignores its surroundings and the city, and pays only attention to its insular purpose. As architecture it has failed. Al Krigman reminding you that you read it first, here, on the popu-list Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics check it out! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir=http ://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001
Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
Well, I think Philadelphia has some beautiful architectural elements. Apparently the AIA members think so as well as they commented when they convened here a couple of years ago. As for the expanding economy, we'll have to wait a bit on that. I'm already down some 21,000 in my portfolio and the current quarter does not bode well. Also, that Radon Building on Walnut St. is a monstrosity! On 10/24/08 10:58 PM, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had chosen to settle in University City solely for the brilliance of the architecture that Penn might someday build for my amusement ... I'd have moved out of town a long, long time ago. Maybe to Barcelona, or Sydney, or back to sweet home Chicago, where ordinary folks truly respect a nice new public building. Such enthusiasm is wasted in Philadelphia, whose classic architectural tradition is based on predictable, pompous mediocrity from previous epochs-- the sort of boring stuff our historic districts are based on. Not that I'm against them; in fact, I settled here precisely because I preferred this mediocre old-timey style to Chicago's jumpy ambitions. Philadelphia Dull is pleasing to the eye and it works as a lifestyle too. Sacred, however, it is not. Back to Penn. It owns some buildings erected in the 19th c. that are beautiful and important. It owns many buildings erected in the 20th c. that are garishly functional. Such is life in a rapidly-expanding 21st-c. university district. The latest architecture of Houston and Baku and Bangalore probably isn't much prettier. But having an expanding economy beats having a contracting economy. -- Tony West That story about Irvine's history is an urban legend. It was actually designed by prominent architect Horace Trumbauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Trumbauer), who was also responsible for the Keswick Theatre, the Public Ledger Building, and campus buildings for Hahnemann, Jefferson, Duke, Harvard, and the Tyler School of Art. Dave -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went there on Sept. 26th for GI because it¹s moved to the 4th floor in the Perelman Center. They have built and named new streets in order to enter the Free Parking Garage for Patients. (try to find it!) It was quiet, not crowded and easy to get through because it¹s not quite finished. Still, it is ugly, forbidding and most certainly not pedestrian friendly as most of Penn¹s modern buildings. Gee, everyone thought Irvine Auditorium was poorly designed, but he forced them to construct it because he became rich and donated money despite not making it at Penn¹s School of Architecture. I also hate that Lego building at 40th Chestnut Sts. On 10/24/08 4:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beloved friends and neighbors: Inga Saffron wrote an article in the Inquirer berating the architectural design of Penn's new Perelman Cancer Center across from CHOP. One of the reader comments -- as follows -- could well have been written about our own monstrous consequence of Penn's lack of architectural sensitivity. Inga Saffron is an architecture critic, and what she has done is appropriately critiqued the style of this building, not its internal qualifications as a treatment center. Pandering for sympathy is not going to change the fact that architecturally, this building doesn't do its job. Yes, hospitals have to accommodate vehicles, but in a city any building has a responsibility to do its part relating to its surroundings. This building may do its job as a hospital, but it completely ignores its surroundings and the city, and pays only attention to its insular purpose. As architecture it has failed. *Al Krigman *reminding you that you read it first, here, on the */popu-list/* You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
I actually like many of the new post-Billy-Penn's-hat buildings -- the emerging central business district between Broad and 30th Sts. I love the Cira Centre. And I am besotted with antique rowhouse Philadelphia, especially in its older Center City nooks. I give out-of-town visitors a tour of this charming cityscape and it never fails to knock their socks off. 99% of North Americans have no idea such liveable 200-year-old neighborhoods are to be found here! Philadelphia's genius lies in the small, the intimate -- the vista instead of the panorama. As for all this newer Penn stuff -- Penn is obviously world-class and cutting-edge in all sorts of disciplines. But if a school is judged by its works, and buildings are the works of architecture, then, supposing I had a favorite niece who was interested in becoming an architect ... if all she wanted was to make a pot of money, I'd say, Sure, come here. But if she had any urge toward beauty, I'd gently steer her elsewhere. For sure, though, Wilma, how much better if we had invested our retirement money in UPenn shares instead of that dreck on the NYSE? -- Tony West Wilma de Soto wrote: Well, I think Philadelphia has some beautiful architectural elements. Apparently the AIA members think so as well as they commented when they convened here a couple of years ago. As for the expanding economy, we'll have to wait a bit on that. I'm already down some 21,000 in my portfolio and the current quarter does not bode well. Also, that Radon Building on Walnut St. is a monstrosity! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
Beloved friends and neighbors: Inga Saffron wrote an article in the Inquirer berating the architectural design of Penn's new Perelman Cancer Center across from CHOP. One of the reader comments -- as follows -- could well have been written about our own monstrous consequence of Penn's lack of architectural sensitivity. Inga Saffron is an architecture critic, and what she has done is appropriately critiqued the style of this building, not its internal qualifications as a treatment center. Pandering for sympathy is not going to change the fact that architecturally, this building doesn't do its job. Yes, hospitals have to accommodate vehicles, but in a city any building has a responsibility to do its part relating to its surroundings. This building may do its job as a hospital, but it completely ignores its surroundings and the city, and pays only attention to its insular purpose. As architecture it has failed. Al Krigman reminding you that you read it first, here, on the popu-list **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001)
Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
I went there on Sept. 26th for GI because it¹s moved to the 4th floor in the Perelman Center. They have built and named new streets in order to enter the Free Parking Garage for Patients. (try to find it!) It was quiet, not crowded and easy to get through because it¹s not quite finished. Still, it is ugly, forbidding and most certainly not pedestrian friendly as most of Penn¹s modern buildings. Gee, everyone thought Irvine Auditorium was poorly designed, but he forced them to construct it because he became rich and donated money despite not making it at Penn¹s School of Architecture. I also hate that Lego building at 40th Chestnut Sts. On 10/24/08 4:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beloved friends and neighbors: Inga Saffron wrote an article in the Inquirer berating the architectural design of Penn's new Perelman Cancer Center across from CHOP. One of the reader comments -- as follows -- could well have been written about our own monstrous consequence of Penn's lack of architectural sensitivity. Inga Saffron is an architecture critic, and what she has done is appropriately critiqued the style of this building, not its internal qualifications as a treatment center. Pandering for sympathy is not going to change the fact that architecturally, this building doesn't do its job. Yes, hospitals have to accommodate vehicles, but in a city any building has a responsibility to do its part relating to its surroundings. This building may do its job as a hospital, but it completely ignores its surroundings and the city, and pays only attention to its insular purpose. As architecture it has failed. Al Krigman reminding you that you read it first, here, on the popu-list Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics check it out! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir=http: //www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001
Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
Wilma: That story about Irvine's history is an urban legend. It was actually designed by prominent architect Horace Trumbauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Trumbauer), who was also responsible for the Keswick Theatre, the Public Ledger Building, and campus buildings for Hahnemann, Jefferson, Duke, Harvard, and the Tyler School of Art. And, on a related and timely note: I don't know if they still do it, but it used to be that every year, around Hallowe'en, the original silent version of The Phantom of the Opera would be shown at Irvine, with accompaniment on the Curtis Organ. Dave -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center I went there on Sept. 26th for GI because it’s moved to the 4th floor in the Perelman Center. They have built and named new streets in order to enter the Free Parking Garage for Patients. (try to find it!) It was quiet, not crowded and easy to get through because it’s not quite finished. Still, it is ugly, forbidding and most certainly not pedestrian friendly as most of Penn’s modern buildings. Gee, everyone thought Irvine Auditorium was poorly designed, but he forced them to construct it because he became rich and donated money despite not making it at Penn’s School of Architecture. I also hate that Lego building at 40th Chestnut Sts. On 10/24/08 4:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beloved friends and neighbors: Inga Saffron wrote an article in the Inquirer berating the architectural design of Penn's new Perelman Cancer Center across from CHOP. One of the reader comments -- as follows -- could well have been written about our own monstrous consequence of Penn's lack of architectural sensitivity. Inga Saffron is an architecture critic, and what she has done is appropriately critiqued the style of this building, not its internal qualifications as a treatment center. Pandering for sympathy is not going to change the fact that architecturally, this building doesn't do its job. Yes, hospitals have to accommodate vehicles, but in a city any building has a responsibility to do its part relating to its surroundings. This building may do its job as a hospital, but it completely ignores its surroundings and the city, and pays only attention to its insular purpose. As architecture it has failed. Al Krigman reminding you that you read it first, here, on the popu-list Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir=http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001
Re: [UC] relevance of comment on Inky article critizing the design of the Perelman Center
If I had chosen to settle in University City solely for the brilliance of the architecture that Penn might someday build for my amusement ... I'd have moved out of town a long, long time ago. Maybe to Barcelona, or Sydney, or back to sweet home Chicago, where ordinary folks truly respect a nice new public building. Such enthusiasm is wasted in Philadelphia, whose classic architectural tradition is based on predictable, pompous mediocrity from previous epochs-- the sort of boring stuff our historic districts are based on. Not that I'm against them; in fact, I settled here precisely because I preferred this mediocre old-timey style to Chicago's jumpy ambitions. Philadelphia Dull is pleasing to the eye and it works as a lifestyle too. Sacred, however, it is not. Back to Penn. It owns some buildings erected in the 19th c. that are beautiful and important. It owns many buildings erected in the 20th c. that are garishly functional. Such is life in a rapidly-expanding 21st-c. university district. The latest architecture of Houston and Baku and Bangalore probably isn't much prettier. But having an expanding economy beats having a contracting economy. -- Tony West That story about Irvine's history is an urban legend. It was actually designed by prominent architect Horace Trumbauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Trumbauer), who was also responsible for the Keswick Theatre, the Public Ledger Building, and campus buildings for Hahnemann, Jefferson, Duke, Harvard, and the Tyler School of Art. Dave -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went there on Sept. 26th for GI because it’s moved to the 4th floor in the Perelman Center. They have built and named new streets in order to enter the Free Parking Garage for Patients. (try to find it!) It was quiet, not crowded and easy to get through because it’s not quite finished. Still, it is ugly, forbidding and most certainly not pedestrian friendly as most of Penn’s modern buildings. Gee, everyone thought Irvine Auditorium was poorly designed, but he forced them to construct it because he became rich and donated money despite not making it at Penn’s School of Architecture. I also hate that Lego building at 40th Chestnut Sts. On 10/24/08 4:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beloved friends and neighbors: Inga Saffron wrote an article in the Inquirer berating the architectural design of Penn's new Perelman Cancer Center across from CHOP. One of the reader comments -- as follows -- could well have been written about our own monstrous consequence of Penn's lack of architectural sensitivity. Inga Saffron is an architecture critic, and what she has done is appropriately critiqued the style of this building, not its internal qualifications as a treatment center. Pandering for sympathy is not going to change the fact that architecturally, this building doesn't do its job. Yes, hospitals have to accommodate vehicles, but in a city any building has a responsibility to do its part relating to its surroundings. This building may do its job as a hospital, but it completely ignores its surroundings and the city, and pays only attention to its insular purpose. As architecture it has failed. *Al Krigman *reminding you that you read it first, here, on the */popu-list/* You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
