Re: [UC] Bush Victory
I scored in the 99th percentile on the AFQT. What does this prove? - Original Message - From: William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: University City List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On 07 Nov, 2004, at 17:37, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: This is quite funny. Ok, I'll bite. What non-partisan political analysts would those be? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of William H. Magill BTW, while neither has released the actual numbers, quite a number of actually non-partisan political analysts (yes they do exist) have indicated that Bush probably has a higher IQ than Kerry. There are a number of Blog sites that have covered the topic. The original story was broken by Steve Sailer http://www.vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm and then picked up by other entities like the New York Times and NBC Nightly News, as well as a host of other bloggers. Sailor's original post is quite verbose (it makes me sound abrupt), but the gist of it is that Kerry scored in the 50th percentile in the AFQT (Armed Forces Qualifying test) as posted on Kerry's website, and Bush scored in the 75th. This blog discusses the collection of blogs discussing the topic. http://thrasymachus.typepad.com/thras/2004/10/kerrys_iq.html If I remember correctly, it was Tim Russert of NBC who made the comment on several occasions to the effect that, throughout his political career, Bush has been considered dumb by his opponents, to their ultimate consternation; his folksy ways are simply not understood in the Urban centers, and are interpreted as the dumb hillbilly stereotype. Interviewed by Brokaw, Kerry had this to say... Brokaw: Do you think he's [Bush's] a smart man? Kerry: I do. Yes, I do think he's a smart man. Brokaw: Do you think too many people in your party underestimate? Kerry: I think people have always underestimated President Bush. But I'm proud that in those debates, I didn't underestimate him. http://www.isteve.com/04OctB.htm#brokaw These threads make fascinating reading ... but as one blogger put it Who cares! [All of the assorted complaints about standardized testing are enumerated somewhere in at least one of the threads.] [If you want more reading, just Google bush kerry IQ -- there are at least 100 entries out of 92,000 that are appropriate!] T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory AFQT
In a message dated 11/15/2004 10:54:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I scored in the 99th percentile on the AFQT. This reminds some of us of the old adage, "There is a fine line between genius and insanity." What does this prove? Did you fly? Or, dd they offer you an exciting career opportunity as a forward air controller w/ AFSOC?. Ciao, Craig
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Which Bush has a higher IQ than Kerry? Not the Homer W. Bush that was in this last election! Most of the animals, dogs, cats, etc. in the neighborhood, IN MY OPINION, have to have a higher IQ than he does; why else would he say, and BELIEVE, what comes out of his mouth?
Re: [UC] Bush Victory -- who has a higher IQ
In a message dated 11/7/2004 6:53:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is quite funny. Ok, I'll bite. What non-partisan political analysts would those be? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of William H. Magill BTW, while neither has released the actual numbers, quite a number of actually non-partisan political analysts (yes they do exist) have indicated that Bush probably has a higher IQ than Kerry. While I do not know who has a higher IQ, I do know the dredging through B2 K's military record revealed a comparison the Bush people were toogentlemanly to use. Both the Navy's officer candidate program and the Air National Guard/Air Force pilot training program do pre-admission testing. Kerry scored in the 50th percentile, with the Navy. Bush scored in the 75th percentile, with ANG/AF. Obviously, B2 displayed a better aptitude to successfully take tests; just like he did on 11/02/04. Aint standardized testing great! Ciao, Craig
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In a message dated 11/8/2004 8:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most of the animals, dogs, cats, etc. in the neighborhood, IN MY OPINION, have to have a higher IQ than he does So why haven't they successfully emigrated to New Haven and Cambridge? I would suggest you not be allowed to serve "Calvary's" food to any conservatives, until you receive loss counseling. Just to show you I have a warped sense of patronizing humor, I want you to know somewhere a town in Texas is missing its fool. Now get over it; the better man won. Spend some energy making the world a better place for all of God's decent people; the rest be damned.(:-} Ciao, Craig
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On 07 Nov, 2004, at 17:37, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: This is quite funny. Ok, I'll bite. What non-partisan political analysts would those be? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of William H. Magill BTW, while neither has released the actual numbers, quite a number of actually non-partisan political analysts (yes they do exist) have indicated that Bush probably has a higher IQ than Kerry. There are a number of Blog sites that have covered the topic. The original story was broken by Steve Sailer http://www.vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm and then picked up by other entities like the New York Times and NBC Nightly News, as well as a host of other bloggers. Sailor's original post is quite verbose (it makes me sound abrupt), but the gist of it is that Kerry scored in the 50th percentile in the AFQT (Armed Forces Qualifying test) as posted on Kerry's website, and Bush scored in the 75th. This blog discusses the collection of blogs discussing the topic. http://thrasymachus.typepad.com/thras/2004/10/kerrys_iq.html If I remember correctly, it was Tim Russert of NBC who made the comment on several occasions to the effect that, throughout his political career, Bush has been considered dumb by his opponents, to their ultimate consternation; his folksy ways are simply not understood in the Urban centers, and are interpreted as the dumb hillbilly stereotype. Interviewed by Brokaw, Kerry had this to say... Brokaw: Do you think he's [Bush's] a smart man? Kerry: I do. Yes, I do think he's a smart man. Brokaw: Do you think too many people in your party underestimate? Kerry: I think people have always underestimated President Bush. But I'm proud that in those debates, I didn't underestimate him. http://www.isteve.com/04OctB.htm#brokaw These threads make fascinating reading ... but as one blogger put it Who cares! [All of the assorted complaints about standardized testing are enumerated somewhere in at least one of the threads.] [If you want more reading, just Google bush kerry IQ -- there are at least 100 entries out of 92,000 that are appropriate!] T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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On 09 Nov, 2004, at 00:28, L a s e r B e a m ® wrote: William H. Magill wrote: If I remember correctly, it was Tim Russert of NBC who made the comment on several occasions to the effect that, throughout his political career, Bush has been considered dumb by his opponents, to their ultimate consternation; his folksy ways are simply not understood in the Urban centers, and are interpreted as the dumb hillbilly stereotype. I guess everyone's seen this by now? : http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm ;-) . laserbeam® [aka ray] One wonders how offended everyone would be if this were about dumb blacks instead of dumb whites. Aha, the joys of IQ debates. :) Make certain you follow the jump at the bottom of the above table to another blog site, and the jump from there to the American Assembler blog. It seems that nobody can find the source data, and that the original poster finally came clean: http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm I'm the one who posted the IQ chart correlating IQ and votes in the 2000 election. As the humor contributor, I am the one that tracks down amusing stories or cartoons to post here at the American Assembler. It was irresponsible of me to post this chart in this format and I apologize to the American Assembler and it's readers for having done so. It was never my intent for anyone to take this seriously and I erred in judgment in not realizing that people would. Even if this chart is not a hoax, as it most probably is, it was inappropriate to post it for it is simply offensive. BTW, the original Usenet posting from 2002-11-28 was by Robert Calvert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) can be found here: http://groups.google.com/groups? q=average+IQ+state+according+Ravens+APM+source+worldhl=enlr=ie=UTF -8oe=UTF -8selm=a3cd6a89.0211282236.205d33d3%40posting.google.comrnum=1 You can follow the thread from there if you want. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
This is quite funny. Ok, I'll bite. What non-partisan political analysts would those be? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of William H. Magill BTW, while neither has released the actual numbers, quite a number of actually non-partisan political analysts (yes they do exist) have indicated that Bush probably has a higher IQ than Kerry. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
On 03 Nov, 2004, at 09:48, Dan Myers wrote: I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. The funny thing here is ... that is exactly the same thing said about Lincoln. BTW, while neither has released the actual numbers, quite a number of actually non-partisan political analysts (yes they do exist) have indicated that Bush probably has a higher IQ than Kerry. And that one of Bush's strengths in past elections is that he is constantly considered dumb and therefore grossly underestimated by his opposition. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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On 03 Nov, 2004, at 11:32, Dan Myers wrote: Let me re-iterate: I don't think the democratic process is failed in any way. (except the inconsistent way people vote at the polling booths, and maybe our out-dated electoral college system) Just remember -- the ONLY reason Kerry had any chance of winning past about 11PM was that outdated electoral college system. 11 PM (yes, that early) is about when Bush developed his lead in the Popular vote. Even when Kerry was debating the Outcome of Ohio at 2am, he was only claiming an additional 250,000 votes -- up against Bush's national plurality at that time of over 3 million votes. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds weve made for ourselves. Naomi on 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop 3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.blackcatshop.com
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Hillary in 2008! :) - Original Message - From: Naomi To: Jonathan Cass ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds weve made for ourselves. Naomion 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with themess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyoccur on his watch.I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeCourt.I think I am going to puke.Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until11/05/2004.I will reply to your email upon my return.Thanks.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
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Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? Oh, come off it. Why is it that liberals always talk about moving to Canada when elections go horribly wrong? When you really think about it, doesn't this make liberals look, well, kind of stupid? First of all, I never heard conservatives talk about relocating when Democrats win. Okay, a few-- but they talk about relocating within the U.S., usually to crackpot-friendly empty spaces like Montana or Idaho. And second... why _Canada_? Why not Europe? I mean, if you're going to leave the country, why settle for Canada? Why not move to a place with more than a thousand years of intense, fertile, and profound history, stocked full of fabulous architecture and exotic foods, where your kids can grow up learning five or six major languages and where the rails can take you to the greatest museums, vacation spots, and cultural landmarks of Western Civilization? But no. They'll settle for _Canada_. I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Why avoid cynicism? _Embrace_ it. We've just had solid proof that a bare majority of the country really is cataclysmically, profoundly stupid, and that even the _worst President in living memory_ can get re-elected. If you _still_ want to avoid cynicism, even after _that_ piece of evidence, well, good luck. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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By the way, Vancouver is lovely -- and if I am not mistaken, has very liberal pot laws, thereby permitting ex-patriots to blunt their pain, with, well, blunts. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. attachment: winmail.dat
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Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Actually, Hillary in 2008 is recipe for disaster. Bill Clinton was very popular butHilary was not.A female, liberal from the North East doesn't stand a chance. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: Paul Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:19 AMTo: Naomi; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Hillary in 2008! :) - Original Message - From: Naomi To: Jonathan Cass ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds we've made for ourselves. Naomion 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with themess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyoccur on his watch.I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeCourt.I think I am going to puke.Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until11/05/2004.I will reply to your email upon my return.Thanks.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
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I'm very concerned about the legacy we leave our children. I think they'll be fine economically if they're rich, and screwed otherwise. I think that the security situation will get worse, and Bush will breed more terrorists around the world in the next four years than we've seen in the last fifty years. The reputation of the US will be permanently diminished, and we'll be on our way to becoming a minor country and second-rate economic power. The nation may eventually turn inward, focusing on so-called values, and we'll lose our scientific edge (well, that's lost already), and our will to explore things for purposes of intellectual curiosity. There may be increased friction between the southern and internal states, and the northeast and west coast states, leading to increased mistrust between us, and possibly culminating in some kind of serious split within the next 50 years. It could cause a constitutional crisis, or even violence. We did our best to avoid these traps, and turn the country around. Pennsylvania did the right thing, but we failed in Ohio. We will suffer for this, but perhaps we'll find a way to fix things in the future. Perhaps the misguided people who voted for Bush will start to see where things are headed, and will change their ways. Hope springs eternal, but I have no basis for it. At 10:03 AM 11/3/2004, Naomi wrote: I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds weve made for ourselves. Naomi on 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop 3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.blackcatshop.com David Ford 4710 Windsor Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19143 (215) 726-6576 (H) (267) 255-1554 (Cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .
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Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Yup. The South has risen again and this time they have won the war. Look at the electral map. Hillary will get blown out like McGovern -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 10:31 AM To: 'Paul Grossman' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Naomi' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 TITLERe: [UC] Bush Victory/TITLE META content=MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVSPAN class=156242815-03112004FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Actually, Hillary in 2008 is recipe for disaster. Bill Clinton was very popular but Hilary was not. A female, liberal from the North East doesn't stand a chance./FONT/SPAN/DIV PFONT face=Times New RomanJonathan A. Cass/FONT BRFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Paul Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:19 AMBRBTo:/B Naomi; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]BRBSubject:/B Re: [UC] Bush VictoryBRBR/FONT/P BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIVFONT face=Arial size=2Hillary in 2008! :)/FONT/DIV BLOCKQUOTE style=PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #00 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV style=FONT: 10pt arial- Original Message - /DIV DIV style=BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: blackBFrom:/B A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Naomi/A /DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBTo:/B A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jonathan Cass/A ; A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A /DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBSent:/B Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM/DIV DIV style=FONT: 10pt arialBSubject:/B Re: [UC] Bush Victory/DIV DIVBR/DIVFONT face=Verdana, Helvetica, ArialSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 12pxI have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds we've made for ourselves. BRBRNaomiBRBRBRon 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A wrote:BRBR/SPAN/FONT BLOCKQUOTEFONT size=2FONT face=Monaco, Courier NewSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 10pxThe only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with theBRmess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyBRoccur on his watch.BRBRI don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeBRCourt.BRBRI think I am going to puke.BRBRJonathan A. CassBR-Original Message-BRFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]BR[A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Behalf OfBR[EMAIL PROTECTED]BRSent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMBRTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]BRSubject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.BRBRBRI will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return untilBR11/05/2004.BRBRI will reply to your email upon my return.BRThanks.BRBRBRBRYou are receiving this because you are subscribed to theBRlist named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, seeBRA href=http://www.purple.com/list.html;http://www.purple.com/list.html/A.BRBRBRYou are receiving this because you are subscribed to theBRlist named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, seeBRA href=http://www.purple.com/list.html;http://www.purple.com/list.html/A.BRBR/SPAN/FONT/FONT/BLOCKQUOTEFONT size=2FONT face=Monaco, Courier NewSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 10pxBRBR/SPAN/FONT/FONTFONT face=Verdana, Helvetica, ArialSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 12pxWhite Dog Cafe BR3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 BRA href=http://www.whitedog.com;http://www.whitedog.com/A BR(215) 386-9224 x105 BRBRThe Black Cat Gift ShopBR3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104BRA href=http://www.blackcatshop.com;http://www.blackcatshop.com/ABR/BLOCKQUOTE/BLOCKQUOTE/SPAN/FONT/BODY/HTML You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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For those of you who are ashamed to be an American, shame on you. We are lucky to be in a country where we have the right to express our opinion, and yes, vote for whomever we want... For those of you who want to move to Canada, why all the talk? Move to Canada. If you think you'll be happier there, I say go ahead. However, perpetuating such views as the president is dumb and I'm ashamed to be an American is disgusting to me. I know it is disappointing to have wanted a change in regime, but this doesn't mean we can continue to throw outrageous remarks around and continue this hatred. It is this kind of negativity that divides us as a country. We must consider a change in attitude. Sharon Quoting Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That wasn't my point. My point was that a popular leader -- and Bush appears to have won the popular vote -- is not necessarily a good, worthy leader. I think the emerging flaw in our democratic process is that the process itself is causing this country to have to consistently choose between two deeply flawed candidates. I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. That sounds a lot like America -- love it or leave it, a narrow-minded view that fails, nay refuses, to understand that criticism in vital to the democratic process. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Sharon Nicolary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:09 AM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary'; 'Dan Myers'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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I'm not exactly sure how this all relates to west philly, but I suppose that the election is the most newsworthy topic of discussion for most people; all of the lists I subscribe to are temporarially election discussion lists. So here's my plea. Try not to blame the outcome of the election on moralists or religious whackos or whatever. I'm not sure that is where this discussion is going, but it sure did on other lists and so I'd like to try and prevent that here. I'm not a member of a political party because I don't see that either group represents my interests very well. I toss my tiny bit of support one way or another depending on the election. I am also a Christian, though I certainly don't identify with the conservative Christian ideology. The problem is, the Democrats can't seem to put a candidate on the ticket that I can wholehartedly support. Folks like me are tired of being told who we must vote for because of our faith when neither group really takes positions that we hold as important. There are lots of other progressive Christians out there, but they need to be courted and split away from the religious right. This would take a mighty chunk from the Republican base of support. I don't think the Democrats are going to do this though, because to court these people, they run the risk of turning off some of the more liberal elements of their support. So maybe someone out there has an idea how to organize the Religious Left to help counter the Religious Right or what that might look like. I truly feel for folks (in Ohio and elsewhere) who may have wanted to vote for John Kerry but couldn't quite do it because the national discussion of religious values was given up to the conservatives and nobody really talked about the flaws in the theology of just wars, the inconsistancy of being anti-abortion and pro-death pentalty, the invasion of foreign lands flying in the face of Christs' call to turn the other cheek, etcetera, etcetera. My $.02 for what it is worth. To read what someone who really knows how to write said about some of this, there is a statement put together by some theologeans at Fuller Seminary at: http://www.fullerseminary.net/sot/faculty/stassen/Resource_files/confessingc hrist.pdf -j. scott clinton -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Let me re-iterate: I don't think the democratic process is failed in any way. (except the inconsistent way people vote at the polling booths, and maybe our out-dated electoral college system) I think the PEOPLE in this country are pathetic. I know I have no control of that, and have to accept that a civil war may break out because the nation is split (almost equally). And I have to keep reminding myself that not everyone enjoys the wonderful world of logic. I hope that clears any possibility that I hate my country, because I don't. I know there are many countries who would die (and are dying) to have those simple liberties. My comments about Canada are only a smidgen serious. I love this neighborhood, and would hate to leave it just because some jerk raised the draft age to 35. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Sharon Nicolary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dan Myers' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Actually, Sharon, we DON'T have to hold back from saying we're ashamed. If I'm ashamed, then I'm ashamed. If I'm angry, then I am angry and I can't make nicey-nice right now. I hope we continue to be divided as opposed to apathetic. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:07 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory For those of you who are ashamed to be an American, shame on you. We are lucky to be in a country where we have the right to express our opinion, and yes, vote for whomever we want... For those of you who want to move to Canada, why all the talk? Move to Canada. If you think you'll be happier there, I say go ahead. However, perpetuating such views as the president is dumb and I'm ashamed to be an American is disgusting to me. I know it is disappointing to have wanted a change in regime, but this doesn't mean we can continue to throw outrageous remarks around and continue this hatred. It is this kind of negativity that divides us as a country. We must consider a change in attitude. Sharon Quoting Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Well-said. -- Sharon Nicolary Quoting Clinton, J. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not exactly sure how this all relates to west philly, but I suppose that the election is the most newsworthy topic of discussion for most people; all of the lists I subscribe to are temporarially election discussion lists. So here's my plea. Try not to blame the outcome of the election on moralists or religious whackos or whatever. I'm not sure that is where this discussion is going, but it sure did on other lists and so I'd like to try and prevent that here. I'm not a member of a political party because I don't see that either group represents my interests very well. I toss my tiny bit of support one way or another depending on the election. I am also a Christian, though I certainly don't identify with the conservative Christian ideology. The problem is, the Democrats can't seem to put a candidate on the ticket that I can wholehartedly support. Folks like me are tired of being told who we must vote for because of our faith when neither group really takes positions that we hold as important. There are lots of other progressive Christians out there, but they need to be courted and split away from the religious right. This would take a mighty chunk from the Republican base of support. I don't think the Democrats are going to do this though, because to court these people, they run the risk of turning off some of the more liberal elements of their support. So maybe someone out there has an idea how to organize the Religious Left to help counter the Religious Right or what that might look like. I truly feel for folks (in Ohio and elsewhere) who may have wanted to vote for John Kerry but couldn't quite do it because the national discussion of religious values was given up to the conservatives and nobody really talked about the flaws in the theology of just wars, the inconsistancy of being anti-abortion and pro-death pentalty, the invasion of foreign lands flying in the face of Christs' call to turn the other cheek, etcetera, etcetera. My $.02 for what it is worth. To read what someone who really knows how to write said about some of this, there is a statement put together by some theologeans at Fuller Seminary at: http://www.fullerseminary.net/sot/faculty/stassen/Resource_files/confessingc hrist.pdf -j. scott clinton -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive
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Title: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Scott, That's an excellent observation. The idea that no candidate is actually a good religious fit. I have to admit that I always hope that people leave religion and spiritual ideology out of politics and public policy. I feel this way, Scott, because it's impossible to have a public servant who only identifies and represents a certain sect rather than taking the secular mantle of having to represent them all. However, it's become obvious that a politician has to take a religious side , as it were. I would then be a great idea to establish a religious left. This voice could counter much of the hypocracy in Bush's fundamentalist, and right-wing Catholic following. I'd like to hear more of what you think local churches, synagogues, temples and religious congregations can do to join and discuss what they want in a politician or elected official. It's certainly a great constituency-building idea. Mario Giorno -Original Message- From: Clinton, J. Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Importance: Low I'm not exactly sure how this all relates to west philly, but I suppose that the election is the most newsworthy topic of discussion for most people; all of the lists I subscribe to are temporarially election discussion lists. So here's my plea. Try not to blame the outcome of the election on moralists or religious whackos or whatever. I'm not sure that is where this discussion is going, but it sure did on other lists and so I'd like to try and prevent that here. I'm not a member of a political party because I don't see that either group represents my interests very well. I toss my tiny bit of support one way or another depending on the election. I am also a Christian, though I certainly don't identify with the conservative Christian ideology. The problem is, the Democrats can't seem to put a candidate on the ticket that I can wholehartedly support. Folks like me are tired of being told who we must vote for because of our faith when neither group really takes positions that we hold as important. There are lots of other progressive Christians out there, but they need to be courted and split away from the religious right. This would take a mighty chunk from the Republican base of support. I don't think the Democrats are going to do this though, because to court these people, they run the risk of turning off some of the more liberal elements of their support. So maybe someone out there has an idea how to organize the Religious Left to help counter the Religious Right or what that might look like. I truly feel for folks (in Ohio and elsewhere) who may have wanted to vote for John Kerry but couldn't quite do it because the national discussion of religious values was given up to the conservatives and nobody really talked about the flaws in the theology of just wars, the inconsistancy of being anti-abortion and pro-death pentalty, the invasion of foreign lands flying in the face of Christs' call to turn the other cheek, etcetera, etcetera. My $.02 for what it is worth. To read what someone who really knows how to write said about some of this, there is a statement put together by some theologeans at Fuller Seminary at: http://www.fullerseminary.net/sot/faculty/stassen/Resource_files/confessingc hrist.pdf -j. scott clinton -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM To: Mark Krull; Jonathan Cass; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Yes, it certainly is. Moreover, the Heartland which decides the course of this country is the least likely place where a terrorist attack will occur. They are prone to attack major metropolitan areas large, financial districts or seats of national government; namely the Eastern Seaboard and West Coats which went heavily for Kerry. Anyway, he was duly elected and we have to respect that we live in a different country from The Heartland. Fortunately, we are exposed to many more things and have a larger point of view that they do not see. I went to college in Ohio and I know whereof I speak. On 11/3/04 9:48 AM, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its depressing really. It was values that led to this. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC
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I agree that criticism is vital to the process. Your point is valid there. But there is a difference between intelligent criticism and some of the things I read on this list or hear on CNN. I agree also with your that both candidates being deeply flawed. White males with Yale degrees and wealthy families and/or spouses--well that's all we have to choose from. -- Sharon Nicolary Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That wasn't my point. My point was that a popular leader -- and Bush appears to have won the popular vote -- is not necessarily a good, worthy leader. I think the emerging flaw in our democratic process is that the process itself is causing this country to have to consistently choose between two deeply flawed candidates. I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. That sounds a lot like America -- love it or leave it, a narrow-minded view that fails, nay refuses, to understand that criticism in vital to the democratic process. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Sharon Nicolary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:09 AM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary'; 'Dan Myers'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say. If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking about it. Sharon Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who are engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for a period of time too. As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans. vision of the annointed ? I will mark this up to misguided disappointment. It would serve this country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win. This shortage of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being easily manipulated party goons. -- Sam Nicolary - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html
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I don't believe in the like it or leave it philosophy when it comes to America. The right to stay and fight the good fight and try to right the wrongs is what makes this place cool. And knowing there's always hope that we will live to see our personal and political goals, values, ideals and beliefs realized, is what makes it the best place in the world to be, in my opinion. I'd never go as far as to suggest anybody leave just because they say they are unhappy with something. But hey, when they openly suggest it themselves, like when they threaten to pack up and leave because they don't like the outcome of an election, I always think one or both of two short, ole' fashioned statements: Suit yourself and Good riddance. ...and I am a Black, gay, American, who voted for Kerry, and don't mind saying so. That's my two cents. Now I got to get back to work, before I look up and find myself without a job... M. M. Harvey You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Title: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I could not agree more. Hillary in 2008! Matt Wolfe -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul GrossmanSent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:19 AMTo: Naomi; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Hillary in 2008! :) - Original Message - From: Naomi To: Jonathan Cass ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory I have to agree. I am so very, very ashamed to be an American today and feeling quite ill from thinking about long-term legacy the next 4 years will have on our country. God/Goddess/Buddha/Allah/whomever/whatever help us now while we try to sleep in the beds we've made for ourselves. Naomion 11/3/04 9:09 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with themess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likelyoccur on his watch.I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the SupremeCourt.I think I am going to puke.Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until11/05/2004.I will reply to your email upon my return.Thanks.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.You are receiving this because you are subscribed to thelist named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, seehttp://www.purple.com/list.html.White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
Re: [UC] Bush Victory
I'm inclined to agree with Jonathan Cass's initial comment in this thread. Further, consider that this may be the high point of Bush's career: he actually was elected President. Elliot Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 United States of America telephone: 215-747-6204 mobile: 267-240-8418 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 03 Nov 2004, at 03:24, Marianne Das wrote: - Original Message - From: Marianne Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Don't laugh, but one of my former neighbors recently sold her house here in University City and moved to Vancouver. Her reasons were partly a good professional opportunity and partly because of the political situation in this country. Marianne Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Turner,Kathleen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dan Myers' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory By the way, Vancouver is lovely -- and if I am not mistaken, has very liberal pot laws, thereby permitting ex-patriots to blunt their pain, with, well, blunts. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM To: Dan Myers; Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory Very good analysis on Slate.com (http://www.slate.com/id/2109079/) of why we keep losing to this idiot. The gist is that people don't want to think -- they don't want to see the world as a complicated place with a lot of shades of grey. They want a simple person who lets them see the world as a simple place, with everything black or white. We're the good guys; they're the bad guys. By the way, Vancouver is lovely. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
