Re: [UC] housing for older years
Yes, I often think about growing older (and disabled - I have liver disease) in this beautiful neighborhood. I have a big old monster near the corner of 49th and Cedar, and I imagine it will be just too much to upkeep. I am in my 40's now, not nearly ready to retire even, and yet still I wonder... I wonder will the neighborhood still be the same. Will all those wonderful places you mentioned even still be there? I have made plans to accomodate a couple of grad students, or visiting professors (rent a couple rooms, you know?) to assure I will be able to keep up the mortgage and the bills and the upkeep. That way, who knows, maybe I can age in place as they say, and still be able to keep my head above water. It's a good idea for anyone in a huge house, but I guess its also just a matter of whether a person wouldn't mind sharing space. I have often passed that 48th and Springfield house and wondered who lives there and whether it was a private home. I have also pictured me in it a number of times... Who knows, the lucky owners may decide to do something like what you said in the future, and someone like me would be on the waiting list to move on in. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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A coworker and I were speculating that it had been turned into a BB . . . anyone know if that is the case? Thanks, John Ellingsworth http://ellingsworth.org/john/ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Elly Cernansky and her husband, Nick, have been running a BB at 48th Springfield since they finished (more or less) the rehab job they did on the building. That would have placed the start time during July of what year? 2000? 2001? I can't remember it's been so long. They get the overflow from The Gables at 46th Chester, the building and grounds that were so beautifully renovated by Melani Lamond and her husband sometime in 1991 and 1992. Elly and Nick also have built up a solid word-of-mouth business. She would be happy to let you see her place and answer any questions you might have. Rehabbing that building gave Elly a black belt in general contracting. Elly and I work at the polls at St Francis de Sales' choir room in the basement of the Little School on election days. Sande Knight Deloitte Touche Assurance and Advisory Services tel 215-246-2424 fax 215-405-3178 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Ellingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] housing for older years A coworker and I were speculating that it had been turned into a BB . . . anyone know if that is the case? Thanks, John Ellingsworth http://ellingsworth.org/john/ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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Title: Re: [UC] housing for older years Even though I am quite a ways away from retiring, I have been thinking a lot about housing opportunities and creating community in this neighborhood that I love. I have been doing a good bit of reading about co-housing and have visited a number of co-housing communities - N Street in Davis, CA being the only urban one. The residents there bought up an entire block, one house at a time, took down the fences that separated their yards and created a large community green space behind their houses. There is a garden with plots for each of the households that want one, plenty of space for children to run and play, safety because to enter the space, you have to go through a house and out the back door, and each house had control of what the space directly behind their home looks like so there is individuality, too. One of the houses is run a a community space for meetings and art studio/work space, community dinners in the community kitchen (with a community outdoor patio and BBQ grill) and rooms for transitional people visiting the community or in the process of purchasing their own property in the community. The block is run like a corporation where you buy a share into the community when you buy your house. The money is used for community improvements and events - all controlled by the shareholders in the community. There are many generations and differences in interests among the people but, for the most part, it works because there is a balance of community and privacy (as each home is still individually owned). It has also successfully worked in Europe (Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc.). I am curious if anyone else has an interest in creating something like this in UCity. I think this would be the ideal place to raise a family and to retire to. Naomi White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop 3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.blackcatshop.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:30:13 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] housing for older years I guess because I just had another birthday, I was once again thinking about the problem of getting older and feeling safe living in this neighborhood I love. I'm thinking that when I'm 70 or 75, or maybe before, my housemate and I may no longer feel safe living in our big old house on 49th St. I always fantasized about living in the beautiful house at 48th and Springfield, with a group of older friends, when I reached that age. It has that wonderful, round, enclosed porch to sit on. However, Ellie and her husband have bought it and done such lovely renovations, and they might not be open to the idea of an old folks home in the future. Yesterday I was walking, and there it was! The beautiful apartment building at 48th and Warrington. I can just imagine living on the second floor with that great porch overlooking 48th St. I'm sorry to talk so enviously about a place that many people currently call home, but I'm talking about 10 or 15 years in the future. Wouldn't it make great condominiums? And not necessarily for only older people? There is Warrington Community Garden across the street, and a great selection of restaurants within one block, stores, Davis Pharmacy, the trolley, Mariposa, barbers, St. Francis DeSales and Calvary with its cultural events. Has anyone else been thinking about their senior years, and worrying about living in their big old house, with its never-ending need for upkeep and renovations? Does anyone else have any good ideas? Jo Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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The Tiberino family has an arrangement similar to what you describe, with a focus on artwork. Ellen Powell Tiberino Memorial Museum of Contemporary American Art 3819 Hamilton Street, Philadelphia, PA A gallery dedicated to preserving and promoting the work of contemporary African-American artists, particularly the Philadelphia painter Ellen Powell Tiberino. Includes a collection of Tiberino's work and a communal courtyard featuring work by local artists, family, and friends. A very interesting place if you've never been there before. On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Naomi wrote: Even though I am quite a ways away from retiring, I have been thinking a lot about housing opportunities and creating community in this neighborhood that I love. I have been doing a good bit of reading about co-housing and have visited a number of co-housing communities - N Street in Davis, CA being the only urban one. The residents there bought up an entire block, one house at a time, took down the fences that separated their yards and created a large community green space behind their houses. There is a garden with plots for each of the households that want one, plenty of space for children to run and play, safety because to enter the space, you have to go through a house and out the back door, and each house had control of what the space directly behind their home looks like so there is individuality, too. One of the houses is run a a community space for meetings and art studio/work space, community dinners in the community kitchen (with a community outdoor patio and BBQ grill) and rooms for transitional people visiting the community or in the process of purchasing their own property in the community. The block is run like a corporation where you buy a share into the community when you buy your house. The money is used for community improvements and events - all controlled by the shareholders in the community. There are many generations and differences in interests among the people but, for the most part, it works because there is a balance of community and privacy (as each home is still individually owned). It has also successfully worked in Europe (Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc.). I am curious if anyone else has an interest in creating something like this in UCity. I think this would be the ideal place to raise a family and to retire to. Naomi White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop 3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.blackcatshop.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:30:13 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] housing for older years I guess because I just had another birthday, I was once again thinking about the problem of getting older and feeling safe living in this neighborhood I love. I'm thinking that when I'm 70 or 75, or maybe before, my housemate and I may no longer feel safe living in our big old house on 49th St. I always fantasized about living in the beautiful house at 48th and Springfield, with a group of older friends, when I reached that age. It has that wonderful, round, enclosed porch to sit on. However, Ellie and her husband have bought it and done such lovely renovations, and they might not be open to the idea of an old folks home in the future. Yesterday I was walking, and there it was! The beautiful apartment building at 48th and Warrington. I can just imagine living on the second floor with that great porch overlooking 48th St. I'm sorry to talk so enviously about a place that many people currently call home, but I'm talking about 10 or 15 years in the future. Wouldn't it make great condominiums? And not necessarily for only older people? There is Warrington Community Garden across the street, and a great selection of restaurants within one block, stores, Davis Pharmacy, the trolley, Mariposa, barbers, St. Francis DeSales and Calvary with its cultural events. Has anyone else been thinking about their senior years, and worrying about living in their big old house, with its never-ending need for upkeep and renovations? Does anyone else have any good ideas? Jo Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Thanks, John Ellingsworth Project Leader Virtual Curriculum http://ellingsworth.org/john/ PGP Public Keyring: http://ellingsworth.org/pubring.pkr You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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In a message dated 3/25/03 1:18:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad to see a few folks are thinking beyond their present chronological status. It was only a few years ago that this neighborhood turned down development of a senior citizen complex at 47th and Warrington, in favor of a restaurant. (It would generate too much traffic, it wouldn't fit with the existing architecture, it would harm the long-range development of Baltimore Ave.) Hi, Fred, I think it was a little more complex than that. First, one former neighbor tried to ramrod things through and force the Sr. apts., the UC New School and Abbraccio WITH a liquor license to all find a way, amongst themselves, to share the SAME space (probably many laws against a grade school and an alcohol-selling restaurant being together!). Then Cedar Park Neighbors had each group make a presentation, and we asked them some to-the-point financial questions. The school just kept telling us how wonderful they were, but they had no numbers and no financial plan; the Sr. apts. provider explained that he'd be looking for city and state grants and loans, and if he didn't get them he wouldn't build; and Roger Harman explained his, Vincent's Duane's personal finances and their willingness to put everything they had on the line, personally, for Abbraccio. They sounded like the best bet - and a lively use for a commercial space, too. We suggested that the Sr. apts. provider could buy another building in the area and rehab it, rather than use a space with commercial zoning for yet another apartment building. The builders of Abbraccio also offered to pay market value for the land - the school did not, and I forget if the Sr. apts. builder did, but he would have been using city and state money, so he wouldn't really have been paying market value. Soon afterwards, there was a major leak problem in a building the Sr. apts. provider has at 48th Chester, and he was not very quick to make repairs and had some unhappy tenants, somewhat tarnishing his reputation as a white knight. Maybe what we need is a group of neighbors to get together and try to buy a couple of large apartment buildings with elevators, buildings which can be made to accommodate seniors - though at this time we'd be competing with the USP/ Fannie Mae/ Penn partnership, so I'm not sure it would be easy to be the top bidder. Is anyone interested in investing in this sort of arrangement? Melani Lamond You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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There is a fundamental problem with an approach to senior housing that attempts to segregate seniors into special living arrangements. That is a totally artificial environment, with none or very few of the interactions that are essential for a healthy state of mind. The benefits that extended families used to provide are entirely absent in today's senior centers. What is needed is true inter-generational living arrangements, not an occasional contact. We need communities in which people of all ages interact on a daily basis, with activities that are stimulating, and where the exchange of views from different vantage points is a daily occurrence. Gerardo Razumney You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
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It is nice to see such heartfelt talk about out retirement years. I am not too concerned about it. It is my plan to be as much of a burden to my children as I possibly can when I am old and cranky, so I will probably be living with them. Paybacks. Matt Wolfe _ Support Sam Katz for Mayor J. Matthew Wolfe Law Office of Alice W. Ballard, P.C. 1700 Lewis Tower 225 South 15th Street Philadelphia, PA 19102 (215) 893-9990 Fax: (215) 893-9997 4256 Regent Square Philadelphia, PA 19104 (215) 387-7300 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] housing for older years In a message dated 3/25/03 1:18:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad to see a few folks are thinking beyond their present chronological status. It was only a few years ago that this neighborhood turned down development of a senior citizen complex at 47th and Warrington, in favor of a restaurant. (It would generate too much traffic, it wouldn't fit with the existing architecture, it would harm the long-range development of Baltimore Ave.) Hi, Fred, I think it was a little more complex than that. First, one former neighbor tried to ramrod things through and force the Sr. apts., the UC New School and Abbraccio WITH a liquor license to all find a way, amongst themselves, to share the SAME space (probably many laws against a grade school and an alcohol-selling restaurant being together!). Then Cedar Park Neighbors had each group make a presentation, and we asked them some to-the-point financial questions. The school just kept telling us how wonderful they were, but they had no numbers and no financial plan; the Sr. apts. provider explained that he'd be looking for city and state grants and loans, and if he didn't get them he wouldn't build; and Roger Harman explained his, Vincent's Duane's personal finances and their willingness to put everything they had on the line, personally, for Abbraccio. They sounded like the best bet - and a lively use for a commercial space, too. We suggested that the Sr. apts. provider could buy another building in the area and rehab it, rather than use a space with commercial zoning for yet another apartment building. The builders of Abbraccio also offered to pay market value for the land - the school did not, and I forget if the Sr. apts. builder did, but he would have been using city and state money, so he wouldn't really have been paying market value. Soon afterwards, there was a major leak problem in a building the Sr. apts. provider has at 48th Chester, and he was not very quick to make repairs and had some unhappy tenants, somewhat tarnishing his reputation as a white knight. Maybe what we need is a group of neighbors to get together and try to buy a couple of large apartment buildings with elevators, buildings which can be made to accommodate seniors - though at this time we'd be competing with the USP/ Fannie Mae/ Penn partnership, so I'm not sure it would be easy to be the top bidder. Is anyone interested in investing in this sort of arrangement? Melani Lamond You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
