date:20120911


Gabriel Johnson wrote:

I am having an issue getting output to display during a loop. I've
tried lock/unlock screen but unlock screen does not seem to cause the
screen to update. The only thing that works is wait 0 seconds but
this causes bizarre behavior in some cases (mouseDown/mouseUp not
behaving correctly [even when I use wait with messages]).


It works well without the with messages clause, so just adding wait 
0 should do what you need.


That said, it appears that very soon that particular bit of arcane 
knowledge will no longer be needed to have text displayed reliably - 
members of the Dev Program can read Mark Waddingham's thoughtful 
comments on this here, noting that going forward the update behavior 
will be made more consistent across platforms:


http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10333

Until that version is released, simply adding wait 0 will do what you 
need.


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Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash


Alejandro Tejada wrote:


Richard Gaskin wrote


Alejandro Tejada wrote:

If they keep acting in that way, I foresee a future without
Adobe software in ANY platform.


That future has been my present for the last several years. I had
enjoyed GoLive and LiveMotion, and they way they OEL'd those has
prompted me to spend my money elsewhere.


That transition should have been difficult, at least in the
beginning.


Only a little, and far less effort than dealing with the runaround from 
Adobe (don't get me started; suffice to say I've never seen a product 
OEL'd as carelessly for customers as GoLive and LiveMotion were).


There are some conveniences in Fireworks that I haven't yet built my own 
replacements for, but for the features I use in the rest of Adobe CS 
I've found suitable replacements:


Dreamweaver, and really any WYSIWYG web tool, is of ever-decreasing 
value as Web designs take on more application-like appearances, with 
regions dynamically created and adjusted on the fly in code.  Most of my 
work for the Web is now done in a plain text editor, where I have the 
freedom to work as I need without wondering how the tags will be 
generated.  These days I use mostly JEDit, because once you take the 
time to set up its extensive preferences the way you want you can get a 
nice environment on both Mac and Ubuntu, for the unbeatable price of 
zero.  I'll probably get back to finishing my own text editor some day, 
but JEDit does a competent job that's nicely consistent across platforms.


For the rare moment when I do want to use a WYSYWIG Web tool for a quick 
throw-together page, Kompozer is quite adequate.


GIMP does everything I've ever used in Photoshop, and with its two 
scripting languages perhaps a bit more so.


Flash is dead.  Not completely dead, by dying so fast that by the time I 
finish typing this sentence another hundred Web sites will have replaced 
their Flash media with an open alternative.  It was a beautiful thing in 
its day (thanks to Charlie Jackson and the others on the original team), 
but that day was long ago.  And like so many other acquired software, 
once it got to Adobe it just became a mess.  RIP.


I've never done enough serious print publishing to need a tool like 
InDesign, but for my modest needs I can get everything I need done in 
either Libre Office or Scribus.


Most of my vector art is done in LiveCode, but when I need something 
more I use Inkscape.


All of these tools are cross-platform, a must in my work environment. 
They're all just one click away in the Ubuntu Software Center, and extra 
bonus points that every one of them is both free as in beer and free as 
in freedom, so my software costs have dropped and I have confidence in 
their long-term viability because the community can maintain them if the 
core team ever decides to drop them.





I still prefer this list for the old-timer comaraderie and experience,
but the forums are quite the place for meeting the new generation of
LiveCoders.



Ah... The forums.
I rarely find enough time to read and post in the forums.
Does exists a stack to download and read offline every
post in the Forum? This would be really useful.


I have something in the works for that, but there's really too much 
stuff there to ever want to read all of it anyway.


What I do is click the New Posts link in the morning, and just read 
the latest.  This way I get the current conversations without having to 
wade through the past.


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Re: Screen not updating with unlock screen

2012-09-11 Thread Peter M. Brigham

The other consideration is that the loop is likely going so fast that even with 
the wait 0 line the screen update may be too slow to keep up and the only 
thing you'll get will be the final number.

-- Peter

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On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Gabriel Johnson wrote:
 I am having an issue getting output to display during a loop. I've
 tried lock/unlock screen but unlock screen does not seem to cause the
 screen to update. The only thing that works is wait 0 seconds but
 this causes bizarre behavior in some cases (mouseDown/mouseUp not
 behaving correctly [even when I use wait with messages]).
 
 It works well without the with messages clause, so just adding wait 0 
 should do what you need.
 
 That said, it appears that very soon that particular bit of arcane knowledge 
 will no longer be needed to have text displayed reliably - members of the Dev 
 Program can read Mark Waddingham's thoughtful comments on this here, noting 
 that going forward the update behavior will be made more consistent across 
 platforms:
 
 http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10333
 
 Until that version is released, simply adding wait 0 will do what you need.
 
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Re: Screen not updating with unlock screen

2012-09-11 Thread Peter M. Brigham

On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

 The other consideration is that the loop is likely going so fast that even 
 with the wait 0 line the screen update may be too slow to keep up and the 
 only thing you'll get will be the final number.

Belay that. I just tested it, and wait 0 works as intended, with or without 
with messages

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RE: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Alcibiades

Lynn, the problem is that (I believe) in the EU the EULA so called license is
actually going to be held, should it ever come to court, as a sale. And
that all the post sale restrictions on use will be thrown out.

I know of no case, and think that is revealing. It would be really great to
see a test case brought against someone either for running a purchased copy
of Windows in a VM when the license says you cannot, or installing OSX into
a non-Apple machine. I don't believe there are any, and the reason is, both
companies know what would happen if they tried.

As to how Apple etc should be fair to the various factions, that is not an
issue. Just do not seek to enforce prohibitions incompatible with the
jurisdictions in which you operate.

They are not. The case is basically being conceded by default.

A car lease, if you look at it in any detail, is completely different from
these so called software licenses. Think about it, one off payments, whose
books is the asset on, what is the reversion at term?

Go into a store and buy OSX or Windows, you bought it. That, I believe, is
what any EU court will rule if it ever comes to that, and that, I believe,
is why it never will come to that.

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Re: storing data on iOS devices

2012-09-11 Thread Chris Sheffield

Thanks. I'll give that a try.

Chris


On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:19 AM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

 
 
 Chris...
 
 Have a read of 'file Attributes' on page 23 of the iOS release notes... If I 
 understand this correctly, you can happily save your 'stuff' in the 
 'documents' folder and using the 'iphoneDoNotBackUpFile' function set a flag 
 as to whether things should be backed up to icloud/itunes or not...
 
 be well
 
 Dixie
 
 From: cmsheffi...@me.com
 Subject: storing data on iOS devices
 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:13:10 -0600
 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 
 This has come up before on the list, but I haven't been able to find a 
 reliable location where I can store persistent data without it being backed 
 up to iTunes. We've got an app that downloads and stores quite a bit of 
 media (audio, pictures, etc.) that needs to persist on the device but 
 doesn't need to be backed up. Right now I have it saved in 
 Library/Caches/[appID] folder. My previous understanding was that this would 
 be a safe place to store it, but just the other day on a test device that 
 was low on disk space we noticed there was a Cleaning... message under the 
 app icon and all the data was wiped out.
 
 So what does everyone else do? Where can I store the data so this won't 
 happen, but *not* have it backed up to iTunes/iCloud?
 
 Thanks,
 Chris
 
 
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Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

I can't speak to anything related to the legality of any EULA, but I 
do believe in one ethical priority:  the intent of the creator of a work.


The act of creating anything is a special human endeavor, and as such in 
my book it's sacred.  Once a work is created, the creator must, IMNSHO, 
retain the right to decide the terms governing its use.  Anything less 
seems uncivilized, or at least certainly unmotivating.


If I make a software product and decide to license it under terms that 
require the user to give me complete control over their bank accounts, 
that's fully within my rights to ask for.


And conversely, it's fully within the rights of the user to recognize 
the absurdity of such terms and simply use something else.


Of course exceptions to this would include things that violate antitrust 
laws, unfair restraint of trade, or other abuses of aggregated power. 
But those are complex matters I'm happy to leave for the courts to 
decide on a case-by-case basis.


For myself, this thread (now two threads) has a very simple solution:

If you agree with the wishes of a creator of a work,
use that work.

And if not, use something else.

With a ~10% market share, it's not like there aren't alternatives to OS 
X.   If you don't agree with the terms of the Mac/Win duopoly, Linux has 
proven itself a viable third option.


If you've acquired the skills to build your own computers (though it's 
pretty easy these days), or to be able to install OSes designed for one 
computer on another (far less easy), Apple has made it clear that they 
don't want you in their customer base.


You can argue this in a discussion list dedicated to a completely 
different software, or even with Apple themselves, and the outcome isn't 
likely to change:  if you want flexibility with your operating system, 
Apple doesn't want you as a customer.


No problem.  That's fully within their rights as the creator of the work.

And it's fully within your rights to use something else.

So just do it, and enjoy the freedom of having what you want.


For many years I took a quiet pleasure in knowing that I was doing most 
of the work of making my Windows software on a Mac.  Being by far the 
dominant giant, Windows deployments have always brought in between four 
and ten times as much revenue as my Mac versions, but I still enjoyed 
being able to use the humble OS of my choice no matter how small its 
market share.


With cross-platform tools it really doesn't matter much which OS you 
develop on as long as you keep the others around for testing and refinement.


These days I still enjoy OS X, but I split my time almost equally with 
Ubuntu.  I like the flexibility on being able to set it up exactly how I 
like it, and I like being able to run it on machines I've built myself. 
 And I've come to really like the community, in so many ways reflective 
of the early Mac user groups I used to enjoy.


So now I've just expanded my quiet pleasure, knowing that I'm developing 
for the platforms of the two industry giants on the humble but capable 
Ubuntu.



OSes are ultimately just app launchers; apps define the scope of 
meaningful work we can do on them.  Cross-platform tools allow us to 
recognize that OSes are merely commodities, largely interchangeable.


They distinguish themselves in many ways, but ultimately they have more 
in common than they are different.


Among the relatively few differences are their terms of use.  The EULA 
is a feature as much as any UI detail, and we can choose our OSes by 
that criterion if it's important to us.


So enjoy the freedom to choose, choose what you like, and have fun with it.

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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread François Chaplais

Le 11 sept. 2012 à 15:56, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :

As to how Apple etc should be fair to the various factions, that is not an
issue. Just do not seek to enforce prohibitions incompatible with the
jurisdictions in which you operate.

They are not. The case is basically being conceded by default.

Go into a store and buy OSX or Windows, you bought it. That, I believe, is
what any EU court will rule if it ever comes to that, and that, I believe,
is why it never will come to that.

Jou just *do not* go to to a store and buy OSX or Windows. OX and Windows are
NOT for sale. Put that into your brains, trollers.

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Re: [OT] EULA and legality


Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Go into a store and buy OSX or Windows, you bought it.  That, I believe, is
what any EU court will rule if it ever comes to that, and that, I believe,
is why it never will come to that.


An unnameable source once told me that an Apple VP leaned over the table 
after a long discussion involving accusations that they had stolen his 
ideas and told him, We have more lawyers than engineers.  Bring it on.


I don't know the exact ratio of lawyers to engineers, but I do know the 
lawyers they have seem quite worth their fee.


Perhaps in anticipation of the moment you describe, it's no longer 
possible to walk into a store and buy the OS.


Macs ship with OS X preinstalled, and upgrades are purchasable over the 
wire through iTunes.


It's no longer a product per se, but merely an extension of their 
support services.


Clever, that.

Bring it on.

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Re: NumberFormat

Peter-

Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 5:12:30 AM, Colin wrote:

 Mark's answer was a different way to solve the problem.

Yes, because g
I couldn't remember the numberFormat syntax
I was too lazy to look it up
I use format() often enough that it's natural language

What Colin said is correct, and will also get the job done. And is
probably more in line with what you had in mind in the first place.

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Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash

2012-09-11 Thread François Chaplais

For keepers, before Adobe killed mobile Flash, Adobe
a) killed PageMaker and attempted to kill Freehand by buying Aldus 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldus
They developed their own inDesign software and buried PageMaker six feet in the 
ground. Freehand was the main competitor to Illustrator. It turned out that the 
Freehand software was Altsys', which licenced Macromedia to distribute 
Freehand. Aldus possessed Digital Darkroom, which was an early competitor of 
Photoshop.
b) killed Macromedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia for Flash, and 
again, for Freehand. There is currently an attempt to resurrect Freehand on a 
more or less open source basis. 
So do not expect me to shed a tear on the death of mobile Flash. I wish it will 
also die on the desktop. Who knows? maybe this will put some life into the 
revolution browser plugin. That is all I hope.
Best,
François
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Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash

2012-09-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada


Richard Gaskin wrote
 
 Alejandro Tejada wrote:
 Does exists a stack to download and read offline every
 post in the Forum? This would be really useful.
 
 I have something in the works for that, but there's really too much 
 stuff there to ever want to read all of it anyway.
 
 What I do is click the New Posts link in the morning, and just read 
 the latest.  This way I get the current conversations without having to 
 wade through the past.
 

Actually, the forum archives would be useful to search them locally
and offline. Just like the use-livecode mail list.

I remember that Sarah posted this tutorial in RevJournal: 
http://livecodejournal.com/tutorials/macaddict-forum-reader.html
but I dont know how to change this stack to work with 
LiveCode Forums. 

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LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)


Alejandro Tejada wrote:


Actually, the forum archives would be useful to search them locally
and offline. Just like the use-livecode mail list.

I remember that Sarah posted this tutorial in RevJournal:
http://livecodejournal.com/tutorials/macaddict-forum-reader.html
but I dont know how to change this stack to work with
LiveCode Forums.


It could be done, and if someone has the time and interest I'd be happy 
to post it at LiveCodeJournal.com.


But given the reasonably useful search feature built into the forums, 
would an alternate search tool provide much more utility than is already 
there?


Searching is only half the problem.  The other half is reading what 
you've found. :)


To solve that I focus mostly on just new posts.

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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)

2012-09-11 Thread Peter M. Brigham

On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Searching is only half the problem.  The other half is reading what you've 
 found. :)

Yes. A typical Google search gives something like this at the top of the page: 
2,490,000 results (0.30 seconds). The reason Google works as well as it does 
(and it's a minor miracle) is that they have a very sophisticated algorithm for 
ranking results, so you don't have to go browsing through 2,490,000 links. 
Today it's a problem of too much data and a shortage of information. (Knowledge 
is another step entirely, and wisdom, well that's completely up to you….)

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Re: fontStyle function working?

2012-09-11 Thread Bob Sneidar

As I recall, in the olden days, no matter what specific styles were included, 
plain, italic, bold and bold-italic were always styles you could choose, even 
if the OS had to fudge them. That may still be the case, in which case you 
would always get those styles. 

Bob


On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

 Yes, exactly. I want to implement a Styles menu which will list only the 
 styles available for the selected font. FontStyles is supposed to give a 
 return-delimited list of styles for a given font and font size (see the 
 dictionary). But when I try it, it always gives me plain, bold, italic and 
 bold-italic even when all those style aren't really available. Can someone 
 try it and see what they get?
 
 Marty Knapp
 ---
 www.KnappsterSolutions.com
 www.CheckBuilderPro.com
 
 
 Scott.
 
 
 The fontStyles returns all the styles of a particular font. Sort of like 
 the properties.
 
 
 I think Marty is seeing styles listed that he believes do not comprise the 
 style set of whatever fonts he is investigating.
 
 
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Re: fontStyle function working?

Hi Marty,
I did a quick test on this and, while I didn't look at every font, the ones
I did look at all returned the same result as you got.  Thnis was on Snow
Leopard and LC 5.5.1
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 Anybody used the fontStyle function with success? No matter what I throw
 at it I get the same result: plain, bold, italic, bold-italic even when I
 know the font does not contain those styles.

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RE: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread Lynn Fredricks

 Lynn, the problem is that (I believe) in the EU the EULA so 
 called license is actually going to be held, should it ever 
 come to court, as a sale.  And that all the post sale 
 restrictions on use will be thrown out.

Hard for me to add much to Richard's Bring it On ;-)

But to expand on one of his points...

Software is disappearing from traditional retail. Many applications that
used to be packages are becoming service components, which are directly
under the control of vendors who may not be subject to EU laws.

If the EU tried to make a pronouncement, much of the industry could step
around it, and it would severely disadvantage anyone who complies. It will
simply parallel the VAT collection problem.

Now I do know of a case that is interesting. Apparently a company that
subscribes its accounting packages to companies uses a proprietary format.
A Canadian company hacked the software to extract their info because they
wanted out of the subscription model. There was a lawsuit in Canada, and the
vendor lost.

What I think will happen is that instead of some monolithic ruling on EULAs
and sales, instead there will be more and more rulings in various countries
that will shape how IP is treated as a more unique system, rather than
treating IP as a sellable item.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)


On 9/11/12 10:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


But given the reasonably useful search feature built into the forums,
would an alternate search tool provide much more utility than is already
there?

Searching is only half the problem.  The other half is reading what
you've found. :)

To solve that I focus mostly on just new posts.


I'm happy to go to the forums to search. But I want to read new posts 
conveniently, and forums aren't convenient. Do you have any insight why 
RR won't simply turn on the email option? It's beyond me why that hasn't 
happened yet.


Since you moderate there, maybe you could give them a poke.

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Re: misleading corrupted file warning


On 9/11/12 6:11 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote:


Thank you Jacqueline. Was that bug fixed in an update I don't
have?


I can't remember when it got fixed, but it was in the very next
version. All recent versions should be okay. Sorry I can't be more
specific. Is 3.5 the newest version you have?


Yes. 3.5.0.870


You'd need to update then. The other alternative is to just open all 
stacks from within LiveCode instead of double-clicking them.


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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread Bob Sneidar

I can see in this specific case that it would be problematic for Apple to make 
their OS backwards compatible with everything ever produced by them. There has 
to be some kind of cutoff. I don't fault them for that. Where they draw the 
line is really not an issue of legality, but of expedience. 

If Apple wrote the OS installers in such away that it would only work with 
hardware made in the last year, it would not be very expedient for them, as not 
very many people would or could use it. That it is written in such a way that 
intel based machines that are not that old but still cannot run it has many 
people, myself included raising our eyebrows already. But if we found a way to 
install it anyway and did so, we would not be legally bound to remove it. At 
least I do not think that is what minimum requirements mean. It only means that 
Apple would not be bound to support that configuration. 

I find in many of these posts that there seems to be a confusion between an 
action that voids a contractual obligation, and one that infringes on the 
rights of the producer in a manner that can at least theoretically be 
actionable. I think this thread is really about the latter, not the former. 

Bob


On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

 You're right, yes I'm referring to the parts about running only on Apple
 hardware.
 Pete
 
 
 What you are saying then is Apple can't even say there is minimum system
 requirement for their OS.
 
 There are many people who are very unhappy with Apple because they have a
 relatively modern Apple hardware yet Mount Lion doesn't run on it. This
 isn't something new to the Apple community. Hardware restrictions for OSs
 have been around for ages, in the case of Apple they just happen to add
 that it also has to be Apple branded - I think much like Microsoft specify
 Windows certified.


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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)


J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/11/12 10:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


But given the reasonably useful search feature built into the forums,
would an alternate search tool provide much more utility than is already
there?

Searching is only half the problem.  The other half is reading what
you've found. :)

To solve that I focus mostly on just new posts.


I'm happy to go to the forums to search. But I want to read new posts
conveniently, and forums aren't convenient. Do you have any insight why
RR won't simply turn on the email option? It's beyond me why that hasn't
happened yet.

Since you moderate there, maybe you could give them a poke.


My role there is quite limited, pretty much just deputy spam patrol.

With suggestions, you or anyone else has as much weight as I might, but 
with alternate interfaces to the forum I have to say that Peter 
Haworth's reminder of the RSS option is a very good one.


The RSS feed the forums puts out is pretty complete, and allows you to 
view it in the reader of your choice - and of course it's simple to also 
make your own in LiveCode.


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Re: misleading corrupted file warning

2012-09-11 Thread Haroldo Mauro


On 11/09/2012, at 13:25, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 On 9/11/12 6:11 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote:
 
 Thank you Jacqueline. Was that bug fixed in an update I don't
 have?
 
 I can't remember when it got fixed, but it was in the very next
 version. All recent versions should be okay. Sorry I can't be more
 specific. Is 3.5 the newest version you have?
 
 Yes. 3.5.0.870
 
 You'd need to update then. The other alternative is to just open all stacks 
 from within LiveCode instead of double-clicking them.
 
 -- 
 Jacqueline Landman Gay


Yes, but I don't see any update to Revolution online. Do you mean I need to 
upgrade to LiveCode?


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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)


On 9/11/12 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


The RSS feed the forums puts out is pretty complete, and allows you to
view it in the reader of your choice - and of course it's simple to also
make your own in LiveCode.


I already do use the RSS feed. But if you want to participate, it's 
pretty useless. You have to open a web browser, find the post, log in, 
and reply.


Email is much easier. And since there's an option there to use email I'm 
at a loss why it hasn't happened.


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Re: misleading corrupted file warning


On 9/11/12 11:59 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote:


Yes, but I don't see any update to Revolution online. Do you mean I
need to upgrade to LiveCode?


Yes, the Revolution name was changed to LiveCode, but it is the same 
product.


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Zero/empty

Just ran across a little oddity.  The statement if tVar is not zero
evaluates to false if tVar is empty.  Apparently empty and zero are treated
the same for comparison purposes?
Pete
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Re: Zero/empty

2012-09-11 Thread Mike Bonner

There are some quirks I found on testing this.

This evaluates to false

local tvar

--put empty into tvar

put (tvar is not zero)



This evaluates to true

local tvar

put empty into tvar

put (tvar is not zero)


So it seems a declared var that has had nothing done to it sees itself as
empty and zero. If you put empty into it, then it is not zero.  Cool huh?

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:

 Just ran across a little oddity.  The statement if tVar is not zero
 evaluates to false if tVar is empty.  Apparently empty and zero are treated
 the same for comparison purposes?
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Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Bob Sneidar

Someone made the point, and I think I agree, that this is not an ethical issue. 
It may make bad business sense, or may have legal implications, but it goes a 
bit too far to call it an ethical violation. But maybe we mean different things 
when we use ethical. 


On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

 I think this is true of the requirement to only run OSX on Mac hardware, and
 I think its also true of the requirement to not install some versions of
 Windows into a VM.  The reason is, I think post sales restrictions on use
 are ethically wrong.  So I think one should not comply with them.


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Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality


Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Richard, where I would differ is in the view that there are two choices:  use
and agree, or use something else.  It may be that there are sound ethical
reasons for simply not accepting the wishes of the creator or owner.


I suppose there are a great many ways to view this, and no doubt as this 
long thread gets longer we'll hear even more of them.


For myself, when a vendor puts in writing that they don't want me as a 
customer, I'm happy to return the favor and just go about my business 
with a vendor who does want me.


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VBScript Wizardry

2012-09-11 Thread Andrew Kluthe

Hello,

Trying to use VBScript to turn an open word document into a pdf file.

From looking at

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8807153/vbscript-to-convert-word-doc-to-pdf

and

http://www.robvanderwoude.com/vbstech_automation_word.php#SaveAsPDF

it seems what with word 2010 or word 2007 with an add-on I can use vb
script to convert a word document into a pdf.

I get an execution error in the result when I try this code.

if there is a file tReportFile then
  launch document tReportFile
  answer thePDFFileName
  put Set objDoc = .ActiveDocument  cr after sScript
  put objDoc.SaveAs   quote  thePDFFileName  quote  ,
wdFormatPDF  cr after sScript
  answer sScript
  do sScript as vbscript
  answer the result
   end if

The document launches in word and but I get an execution error in the
result when the vbscript is ran.

Are there any VBScript/LiveCode wizards out there that could help?

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Re: fontStyle function working?

Marty Knapp martyknappster@... writes:

 
 Yes, exactly. I want to implement a Styles menu which will list only the 
 styles available for the selected font. FontStyles is supposed to give a 
 return-delimited list of styles for a given font and font size (see the 
 dictionary). But when I try it, it always gives me plain, bold, italic 
 and bold-italic even when all those style aren't really available. Can 
 someone try it and see what they get?

Fedora Core 16 xfce spin

put the fontstyles(DejaVu Sans, 12)

Condensed
Oblique
Condensed Bold Oblique
Condensed Oblique
Condensed Bold
ExtraLight
Bold Oblique
Bold
Book

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Re: misleading corrupted file warning


On 9/11/12 1:52 PM, Haroldo Mauro wrote:


What I mean is: do I need to spend money on a new
license ($499 for LiveCode) so not to live with the bug?


Sorry, I misunderstood. I think the best thing to do is write to 
support. They are pretty good about supporting users with older 
versions. See what they say.


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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)

2012-09-11 Thread Monte Goulding

I'd love a way to easily browse and post to the forum on a moble. Is there a 
mobile theme for the forum we could apply? I think there's some apps but they 
need a plugin added to the forum.

--
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Software development services

mergExt - There's an external for that!

On 12/09/2012, at 2:24 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:

 I'm happy to go to the forums to search. But I want to read new posts 
 conveniently, and forums aren't convenient. Do you have any insight why RR 
 won't simply turn on the email option? It's beyond me why that hasn't 
 happened yet.

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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread François Chaplais


Le 11 sept. 2012 à 21:47, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :

 I also believe that its impossible to enforce post sale restrictions on use
 in the EU.  You cannot sell someone a chisel, and then when he opens it,
 have him discover the enforceable condition that if he uses it with a
 mallet, it must be with one you make.  Again, easy to prove me wrong, just
 cite a case.
 
 Yes, one solution is don't sell your chisels separately.  That is probably
 the only way to do it.  In Europe.
 
Almost anywhere, if you use a baseball bat to squash somebody's head, you are 
bound to trouble. Even if it is not told so in the user's manual. It called the 
law. 
BTW, the same applies even if the bat is not your own.
If the law says that electronically accepting a EULA is binding, that's the way 
it is.

In France there is a general legal principle that states that nobody is 
supposed to ignore the law (understanding it is another matter unfortunately). 
For this reasons, all laws, decrees, etc are published in a free newspaper that 
anybody can consult in any city hall; you can also subscribe to to it for a 
zero fee. The same texts are now available online (at least the recent ones). I 
do not know if this is true for other countries, but it makes sense, anyway.

Best,
François


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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richmond


On 09/11/2012 10:45 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Snow Leopard still seems to be for sale from Amazon UK, and Amazon France.

What I am saying is that if its sold at retail as a separate item, and there
is no compulsion on anyone to do that of course, I believe that no EU court
will rule that to be anything but a sale.  It would be easy to prove me
wrong, just cite a case.

Peter




This is odd insofar as Apple no longer sell hardware that will work with 
Snow Leopard.


So, either it is targetted at people who want to upgrade old Apple 
machines, or what?


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Re: VBScript Wizardry

2012-09-11 Thread Andrew Kluthe

What I ended up doing here was using this vbscript to handle it from the shell.

http://www.suodenjoki.dk/us/productions/articles/word2pdf.htm

In case it can help anyone else.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:
 Hello,

 Trying to use VBScript to turn an open word document into a pdf file.

 From looking at

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8807153/vbscript-to-convert-word-doc-to-pdf

 and

 http://www.robvanderwoude.com/vbstech_automation_word.php#SaveAsPDF

 it seems what with word 2010 or word 2007 with an add-on I can use vb
 script to convert a word document into a pdf.

 I get an execution error in the result when I try this code.

 if there is a file tReportFile then
   launch document tReportFile
   answer thePDFFileName
   put Set objDoc = .ActiveDocument  cr after sScript
   put objDoc.SaveAs   quote  thePDFFileName  quote  ,
 wdFormatPDF  cr after sScript
   answer sScript
   do sScript as vbscript
   answer the result
end if

 The document launches in word and but I get an execution error in the
 result when the vbscript is ran.

 Are there any VBScript/LiveCode wizards out there that could help?

 --
 Regards,

 Andrew Kluthe
 and...@ctech.me



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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)

2012-09-11 Thread Warren Samples


On 09/11/2012 12:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

I already do use the RSS feed. But if you want to participate, it's
pretty useless. You have to open a web browser, find the post, log in,
and reply.



Really? Your news reader doesn't display the forum and allow you to 
post, or it won't properly open an external browser directly to the 
post? Neither your reader nor your browser will let you use the option 
to stay logged in between visits?


Convenience is a subjective matter, but useless is an overly harsh and 
unwarranted qualification. I don't have any trouble reading and posting 
to the forum from my news reader, and haven't in any news reader I've 
ever used. (There have been many, in OS X and now in Linux.)


Warren

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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richmond


On 09/11/2012 11:40 PM, François Chaplais wrote:

Le 11 sept. 2012 à 21:47, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :


I also believe that its impossible to enforce post sale restrictions on use
in the EU.  You cannot sell someone a chisel, and then when he opens it,
have him discover the enforceable condition that if he uses it with a
mallet, it must be with one you make.  Again, easy to prove me wrong, just
cite a case.

Yes, one solution is don't sell your chisels separately.  That is probably
the only way to do it.  In Europe.


Almost anywhere, if you use a baseball bat to squash somebody's head, you are 
bound to trouble. Even if it is not told so in the user's manual. It called the 
law.
BTW, the same applies even if the bat is not your own.
If the law says that electronically accepting a EULA is binding, that's the way 
it is.

In France there is a general legal principle that states that nobody is 
supposed to ignore the law (understanding it is another matter unfortunately). 
For this reasons, all laws, decrees, etc are published in a free newspaper that 
anybody can consult in any city hall; you can also subscribe to to it for a 
zero fee. The same texts are now available online (at least the recent ones). I 
do not know if this is true for other countries, but it makes sense, anyway.




Yes; generally one should obey the law, or, if one disagrees with the 
law and chooses to break it

be prepared to take the legal consequences.

The question that I first raised involves all of these things; legality 
versus morality and more.


The fundamental question that nobody has answered properly is whether a 
EULA is legally

binding.

Some people on the Use-List feel that it is immoral to disobey a EULA, 
some do not (I for one),
while some feel it is illegal. Quite a few seem quite unable to 
distinguish between legality and morality.


You have, also made an interesting distinction between laws and decrees 
- the former, as far
as I understand, being contractual, and the second being imposed. Now, 
EULAs might be seen
as decretal to those living outwith the legal jurisdiction inwith they 
were drawn up, and as such,

being non-contractual are not binding.

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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

I think that's the crux of this whole discussion.

If someone accepts an agreement of any sort that contains conditions that
are illegal, then it's highly questionable if they are bound by that
agreement, or at least by the illegal parts.   I actually won a small
claims court case on that principal a few years back.

Of course, we're then back to the discussion on whether Apple's EULA clause
about running on non-Apple hardware is legal or not.

In both cases, everyone can make their own decisions as to how to deal with
the situation.

Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com



On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:40 PM, François Chaplais 
francois.chapl...@mines-paristech.fr wrote:

 If the law says that electronically accepting a EULA is binding, that's
 the way it is
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Re: [OT] EULA and legality

2012-09-11 Thread Paul Dupuis

On 9/11/2012 5:04 PM, Richmond wrote:
 The fundamental question that nobody has answered properly is whether
 a EULA is legally
 binding. 

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA. While primarily US focused, it
lists a number of court cases. The short answer is a EULA is as
enforceable as the company that issued the EULA is willing to take you
to court to enforce the terms OR you're willing to spend a fortune to
take the company to court to prove terms of the EULA unenforcable. I
expect it is not much different in any other part of the world.

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Load vs Go

I need to download and open some very large stacks from the web, and 
having two copies in RAM could be a problem. I'm not sure whether to use 
load or go stack url. It seems to me that load will make a copy in 
RAM, then when I go to the stack there will be two copies momentarily 
until I unload the original. Does go behave the same way or will it 
download directly into the working stack?


I need to display a progress bar in either case, but I think 
libURLSetStatusCallback works for both go and load, right?


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Re: fontStyle function working?

2012-09-11 Thread Marty Knapp

Thanks Mark. Maybe this is a Mac only problem. I'm running Mt. Lion and 
LC 5.5.2. No matter what font I try (even a non-existent font) I get the 
same result: plain, bold, italic  bold-italic.


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put the fontstyles(DejaVu Sans, 12)

Condensed
Oblique
Condensed Bold Oblique
Condensed Oblique
Condensed Bold
ExtraLight
Bold Oblique
Bold
Book




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Re: Load vs Go

2012-09-11 Thread Scott Rossi

I didn't know libURLSetStatusCallback works with go -- that's a new one
for me.

The other thing is load places the downloaded item into a local cache; not
sure if go does this (at least, maybe not one that's accessible -- though
might be wrong about this).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

 I need to download and open some very large stacks from the web, and
 having two copies in RAM could be a problem. I'm not sure whether to use
 load or go stack url. It seems to me that load will make a copy in
 RAM, then when I go to the stack there will be two copies momentarily
 until I unload the original. Does go behave the same way or will it
 download directly into the working stack?
 
 I need to display a progress bar in either case, but I think
 libURLSetStatusCallback works for both go and load, right?



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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)


On 9/11/12 4:03 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

On 09/11/2012 12:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

I already do use the RSS feed. But if you want to participate, it's
pretty useless. You have to open a web browser, find the post, log in,
and reply.



Really? Your news reader doesn't display the forum and allow you to
post, or it won't properly open an external browser directly to the
post? Neither your reader nor your browser will let you use the option
to stay logged in between visits?


Yes, it will open a browser if I ask it to. That's an extra step which I 
need to wait for. Then I have to wait for the forum servers. Then I have 
to log in and deal with that horrible little text box with all the silly 
html buttons and gadgets. I choose not to auto-register on my mobile 
device, which is where I read the RSS. On my desktop machine I simply go 
to the forums in a browser and deal with server lag in the usual way -- 
waiting for a page to load, going back to the list, waiting for the list 
to load, going to another new post, waiting for that to load, etc. It 
takes me a few minutes to read the lists, it takes me half an hour or 
more to read the daily posts on the forums. Perhaps your internet 
connection is faster or you have influence with the server.


My point is simply that there is an easy option available that isn't 
enabled. It would save me a lot of time. I could participate with the 
same ease as I do in this mailing list.


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Re: fontStyle function working?

I tried the same command as Mark on SNow Leopard and on Windows 7 Home
Premium and got plain, bold, italic,bold-italic
Pete
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Marty Knapp martyknapps...@gmail.comwrote:

 DejaVu Sans, 12)
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Re: Load vs Go


On 9/11/12 4:32 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

I didn't know libURLSetStatusCallback works with go -- that's a new one
for me.

The other thing is load places the downloaded item into a local cache; not
sure if go does this (at least, maybe not one that's accessible -- though
might be wrong about this).


Yup, that's the question. The cache is in RAM, then you have to open the 
stack which puts another copy in RAM. But I don't know if go does the 
same thing.


I haven't actually tried libURLStatusCallback with go yet, but the 
list archives indicate it works.


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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)

2012-09-11 Thread Warren Samples


On 09/11/2012 04:35 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Yes, it will open a browser if I ask it to. That's an extra step which I
need to wait for. Then I have to wait for the forum servers. Then I have
to log in and deal with that horrible little text box with all the silly
html buttons and gadgets. I choose not to auto-register on my mobile
device, which is where I read the RSS. On my desktop machine I simply go
to the forums in a browser and deal with server lag in the usual way --
waiting for a page to load, going back to the list, waiting for the list
to load, going to another new post, waiting for that to load, etc. It
takes me a few minutes to read the lists, it takes me half an hour or
more to read the daily posts on the forums. Perhaps your internet
connection is faster or you have influence with the server.

My point is simply that there is an easy option available that isn't
enabled. It would save me a lot of time. I could participate with the
same ease as I do in this mailing list.




Background tabs.

Warren

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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)


On 9/11/12 5:36 PM, Warren Samples wrote:


Background tabs.


Not possible on a mobile browser that I know of. I forgot to mention 
that if you are not logged in, the login screen dumps you back into the 
index, so you have to go hunt up the post you wanted to answer.


Using an RSS reader on a desktop machine isn't any easier than just 
going to the forums in a browser, it's just another layer. So I only do 
RSS on my tablet.


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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)

2012-09-11 Thread Warren Samples


On 09/11/2012 05:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Using an RSS reader on a desktop machine isn't any easier than just
going to the forums in a browser, it's just another layer.



You complained about waiting while using your browser and background 
tabs would certainly help you there in many cases. RSS offers some 
conveniences over simply browsing the forum, but it's a fairly minor 
thing, so I leave you to your preference there without further comment.


I don't have anything to say about the current limitations of tablet 
computing, either :D


Warren



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Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Eller

EULAs aside, I wonder what stand Apple takes on higher-level ethics and
morality, looking at themselves as an entity capable of making a
significant difference in this world.

In this article, there could be a genuine opportunity for Apple to apply
some of massive resources toward curing at least one type of cancer (the
one that killed Steve Jobs):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9508895/A-virus-that-kills-cancer-the-cure-thats-waiting-in-the-coldc.html

In this article, they seem to be more focused on selling iPads to the
medical industry under the guise of helping find a cure:
http://www.cultofmac.com/147937/could-apple-help-cure-cancer-in-corporate-america/

I'm sure they give large sums of money to some very good causes, but why
not go all out and make a difference by really changing the world instead
of paying all those lawyers to take down Samsung?  Ok, this one is
definitely over the top, and also naive, but wouldn't it be a wonderful
achievement for a company of such humble beginnings?

~Roger


On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Peter Alcibiades wrote:

  Richard, where I would differ is in the view that there are two choices:
  use
 and agree, or use something else.  It may be that there are sound ethical
 reasons for simply not accepting the wishes of the creator or owner.


 I suppose there are a great many ways to view this, and no doubt as this
 long thread gets longer we'll hear even more of them.

 For myself, when a vendor puts in writing that they don't want me as a
 customer, I'm happy to return the favor and just go about my business with
 a vendor who does want me.


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Re: fontStyle function working?

Marty Knapp martyknappster@... writes:

 
 Thanks Mark. Maybe this is a Mac only problem. I'm running Mt. Lion and 
 LC 5.5.2. No matter what font I try (even a non-existent font) I get the 
 same result: plain, bold, italic  bold-italic.

Yep. I get that on XP and Snow Leopard as well. My guess is that's all you get
with those operating systems - you can't deprecate them and you can't add to
them. Linux seems to be the only OS that allows font flexibility.

...or maybe the engine is just stupidly hardwiring those properties as a result.

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Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality


Roger Eller wrote:

I'm sure they give large sums of money to some very good causes, but why
not go all out and make a difference by really changing the world instead
of paying all those lawyers to take down Samsung?  Ok, this one is
definitely over the top, and also naive, but wouldn't it be a wonderful
achievement for a company of such humble beginnings?


Like EULA terms, corporate philanthropy may also be a feature some folks 
look for when selecting their vendors.


Here's the top 15 from last year's San Francisco Business Times' annual 
Corporate Philanthropy Awards Summit:


Google, Inc.
ATT
Wells Fargo Bank
Chevron Corp.
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Safeway, Inc.
Bank of America, Corp.
Intel Corp.
JPMorgan Chase  Co.
PGE Corp.
Citi
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Gap, Inc.
Applied Materials, Inc.
Genentech, Inc.

http://sanfranciscoblog.foundationcenter.org/corporate_giving/

Only one OS vendor there, but they're at the top of the list and they 
make a pretty useful OS; extra bonus points that it's also open source.


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Re: fontStyle function working?

2012-09-11 Thread Marty Knapp

Thanks for testing Mark  Pete. I was hoping that I was missing 
something and that it did actually work - doesn't seem to be the case 
for Mac and Windows.


Marty Knapp

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Marty Knapp martyknappster@... writes:


Thanks Mark. Maybe this is a Mac only problem. I'm running Mt. Lion and
LC 5.5.2. No matter what font I try (even a non-existent font) I get the
same result: plain, bold, italic  bold-italic.

Yep. I get that on XP and Snow Leopard as well. My guess is that's all you get
with those operating systems - you can't deprecate them and you can't add to
them. Linux seems to be the only OS that allows font flexibility.

...or maybe the engine is just stupidly hardwiring those properties as a result.




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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)

Warren-

Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 4:17:40 PM, you wrote:

 RSS offers some conveniences over simply browsing the forum, but
 it's a fairly minor thing

Well, it's more complicated than that. The rss plugins I use let me
see some 10 recent entries. Anything older than that has scrolled off
the bottom and is gone. I usually check in the morning to see what's
new - if anything happened overnight it's off the radar. I could go
back to the forum and try to figure out what's new in each of the
threads, but I don't bother. Rss is useful for a forum if you're glued
to the screen all the time, but otherwise it's a pain.

Of course, most of the stuff I see coming in over the rss stream from
the forum is in threads I'm not interested in anyway, so I'm not
overly concerned about it.

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Re: LC Forum reading (was Re: OT: Adobe kills mobile Flash)