Re: v8 DP3
On 08/27/2015 03:02 PM, Roger Eller wrote: On Aug 27, 2015 3:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Aha. Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear. Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter any sort of computer programming manual that doesn't assume the reader knows all sorts of things already. People who write these sorts of manuals ought to go and take a short course in reader-response theory, and... [BROKEN WALL]. ;-) I see an opportunity for you, Richmond. As you learn to use LiveCode Builder from the basics going forward, write a book and get it published as LiveCode Builder for Dummies. That is not as daft as it sounds. The only problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching stuff to write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Quick Challenge
So what's the quickest way to tell is a word is all caps in Livecode? I guess there are a lot of ways to skin a cat with this one. This is what I'm tinkering with: function text_IsCaps someText put \b[A-Z]+\b into someReg return matchtext (word 1 to -1 of someText, someReg, anyThing) repeat for each char testChar in someText put chartonum (testChar) into someCharNum if someCharNum = 65 and someCharNum = 90 then return false end if end repeat return true end text_IsCaps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching stuff to write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids. I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working his way through all the drag and drop block programming stuff he can find (Hopscotch, Scratch et al) so soon he'll be ready to start playing with LC. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
LC 8 discovery kudos
I had the following line for some reason in an existing stack: repeat while the mouse is up with messages and while this has worked in all previous incarnations of LiveCode, LC 8 threw an error into the message box about it. What I wanted was to allow system messages to happen while in a tight loop, but that wasn't the right way to do it. I changed it to repeat while the mouse is up wait 0 with messages and everything's fine. So it seems that the script compiler has gotten stricter about catching this kind of error (probably the 'with messages' thing was just getting ignored before) and helped find a nascent error in my code. Thanks to the engine team for tightening things up. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
COOL!!! I just learned a new thing! Thanks Mike. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote: Rogers, using truewords on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she would shout, WINNING! into tWords repeat for each trueword thisWord in tWords if thisWord is toUpper(thisWord) then put thisWord cr after tCapWords end repeat set the caseSensitive to false answer tCapWords end mouseUp ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
I'd spring for several and provide them to the local computer lab. (depending on price of course. Very limited funds) On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Earthednet-wp proth...@earthednet.org wrote: Richmond, I'll buy it too. I have a grandson who might get into it. Not to mention a two sons who are elementary school teachers. Get on it! Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching stuff to write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids. I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working his way through all the drag and drop block programming stuff he can find (Hopscotch, Scratch et al) so soon he'll be ready to start playing with LC. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
I still contend that Richmond is secretly paid by LC to keep list discussions interesting. Of course as their paid minion, I would expect him to deny this. (tongue firmly in cheek) ;-) Phil On 8/27/15 2:36 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: Mark, thanks for that quick, comprehensive and clear reply. Graham PS In this particular context, I don’t want to be drawn into a discussion of the ‘political correctness’ of the terminology - so far, so un-Richmond-ish. On 27 Aug 2015, at 09:52, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:29, Graham Samuel wrote: I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer, but you never know, I might one day want to follow the path that Phil is taking (so far unsuccessfully, but probably it will be made to work in time). I suppose I’m getting too old to keep up with all this, but if anyone has a moment to explain, I’d be grateful. Graham On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:04, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm experimenting with the Mac's VoiceOver utility (included with OS X), and VO doesn't know how to interact with a stack - it identifies the window as unknown and doesn't allow you to interact with its elements/objects. Thanks for any tips or insights you can share any tips from your experience. -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
wrapping external dlls
Is it possible yet to use builder to wrap an external dll? If so, could someone point me at a hopefully simple example? Also, threading.. While I understand that in many cases multithreading can take some serious planning, But there are some instances where it would be great to just pop something free and let it run. For example, the clock widget. Its a clock. Since cpu time is shared, any intensive processing will keep it from updating. Other than running the clock in a separate instance, is there ANY way to keep it updating properly? (Other than wait 0 with messages, which adds overhead the whatever already intensive process is causing the interference) From the first question.. If one were to wrap an external that does updating of time, would it still be subject to the whips of whatever cpu lc is currently running on? (at least for the visual updates on a stack) I'm a little excited about builder because i'm actually getting things to work now! And having error messages that are meaningful has helped too. (the pink circle example is actually pink now, syntax has been updated to avoid deprecated types, and I've added features that actually work! Yes. Adding features to a pink circle.) Previously, I couldn't get the in 8 steps example to work at all. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in it's supported language, to have an inadequate text editor is a very bad look Again, we agree. and turns programmers away. Only if they don't have a choice to use something better. Choice is useful only so long as it's a choice, rather than a requirement. It would hardly be an INTEGRATED development environment if it didn't have a script editor. Moreover, a script editor is a very good example of the sort of thing LiveCode can do very well. And best of all, AFAIK no one in the company is thinking about shipping LC without a script editor. Given all this, making the current script editor robust and performant would logically seem among the highest priorities, since a good SE makes the product a joy to use and a poor SE makes LC look bad. In short, the choice is to either make more money or less, to the degree that the SE is solid and enjoyable. After all, it's the one part of the IDE everyone uses most often. Along the way, reinstating an updated version of MetaCard's support for external editors would be useful AS AN OPTION, and probably something the community could deliver. To make the latter work well we'll want formatting and colorization plugins for as many third party editors as we can make them for - again, best done by the community since each of us has our own favorite so each of us may be motivated to write a LiveCode add-on for it. This page at Ken Ray's site discusses how external editors can be used in LC, with links to various LC-specific modules (though some of these may need to be updated): http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
Hi David, off the top of my head: function text_is_Caps pText set the caseSensitive to true return pText = toUpper(pText) end text_is_Caps Cheers, Malte -- derbrill IT-service Malte Pfaff-Brill Alsenstr. 15, d-24768 Rendsburg Tel: +49 4331-337 640 0 eMail: i...@derbrill.de web: http://www.derbrill.de Steuernummer: 28 015 03865 VAT ID: DE223571286 Bankverbindung: BIC: GENODEF1KIL IBAN: DE87 2109 0007 0088 2849 05 Kieler Volksbank e.G. Kontoinhaber Malte Pfaff-Brill ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
Almost typed fast enough to post the same answer! On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de wrote: Hi David, off the top of my head: function text_is_Caps pText set the caseSensitive to true return pText = toUpper(pText) end text_is_Caps Cheers, Malte -- derbrill IT-service Malte Pfaff-Brill Alsenstr. 15, d-24768 Rendsburg Tel: +49 4331-337 640 0 eMail: i...@derbrill.de web: http://www.derbrill.de Steuernummer: 28 015 03865 VAT ID: DE223571286 Bankverbindung: BIC: GENODEF1KIL IBAN: DE87 2109 0007 0088 2849 05 Kieler Volksbank e.G. Kontoinhaber Malte Pfaff-Brill ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
On 08/27/2015 06:39 PM, Richmond wrote: Lots of clever answers . . . Now try with this text: Քրիստոնէութեան սկիզբը Հայոց համար եղաւ նաեւ մտքի լուսաւորութեան սկիզբնաւորութիւնը. Մեր մէջ առաջին դպրոցները Լուսաւորչի աշխատանքով հաստատուեցան: Սակայն Սուրբ Գրիգորի հիմնած դպրոցները ազգային կրթութեան համար չէին եւ չէին ալ կրնար ըլլալ, նախ այն պատճառով` որ այնտեղ տրուած ուսումը օտար (ասորերէն եւ յունարէն) լեզուներով էր, եւ երկրորդ` անոր համար որ անոնց գլխաւոր նպատակն էր Աւետարանի քարոզիչներ եւ եկեղեցական պաշտօնեաներ պատրաստել Before anyone asks, this is Armenian. Richmond. Surprisingly enough Roger's, with trueWord and reversed (toLower) [as there are NO words in the Armenian text all in capitals] worked a treat: on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put fld armenian into tWords repeat for each trueword thisWord in tWords if thisWord is toLower(thisWord) then put thisWord cr after fld resultF end repeat set the caseSensitive to false end mouseUp https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0 file: lowerCase.zip Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
A silly variation... on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she would shout, WINNING! into tWords replace . with empty in tWords replace , with empty in tWords replace ! with empty in tWords repeat for each word thisWord in tWords if thisWord is toUpper(thisWord) then put thisWord cr after tCapWords end repeat set the caseSensitive to false answer tCapWords end mouseUp On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:39 AM, David Bovill david@viral.academy wrote: So what's the quickest way to tell is a word is all caps in Livecode? I guess there are a lot of ways to skin a cat with this one. This is what I'm tinkering with: function text_IsCaps someText put \b[A-Z]+\b into someReg return matchtext (word 1 to -1 of someText, someReg, anyThing) repeat for each char testChar in someText put chartonum (testChar) into someCharNum if someCharNum = 65 and someCharNum = 90 then return false end if end repeat return true end text_IsCaps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
On 08/27/2015 05:39 PM, David Bovill wrote: So what's the quickest way to tell is a word is all caps in Livecode? I guess there are a lot of ways to skin a cat with this one. This is what I'm tinkering with: function text_IsCaps someText put \b[A-Z]+\b into someReg return matchtext (word 1 to -1 of someText, someReg, anyThing) repeat for each char testChar in someText put chartonum (testChar) into someCharNum if someCharNum = 65 and someCharNum = 90 then return false end if end repeat return true end text_IsCaps IFF you are just working within the ASCII set that should be dead easy: if you are using anything within the UniCode standard I suspect you have no chance at all. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
Lots of clever answers . . . Now try with this text: Քրիստոնէութեան սկիզբը Հայոց համար եղաւ նաեւ մտքի լուսաւորութեան սկիզբնաւորութիւնը. Մեր մէջ առաջին դպրոցները Լուսաւորչի աշխատանքով հաստատուեցան: Սակայն Սուրբ Գրիգորի հիմնած դպրոցները ազգային կրթութեան համար չէին եւ չէին ալ կրնար ըլլալ, նախ այն պատճառով` որ այնտեղ տրուած ուսումը օտար (ասորերէն եւ յունարէն) լեզուներով էր, եւ երկրորդ` անոր համար որ անոնց գլխաւոր նպատակն էր Աւետարանի քարոզիչներ եւ եկեղեցական պաշտօնեաներ պատրաստել Before anyone asks, this is Armenian. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
Rogers, using truewords on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she would shout, WINNING! into tWords repeat for each trueword thisWord in tWords if thisWord is toUpper(thisWord) then put thisWord cr after tCapWords end repeat set the caseSensitive to false answer tCapWords end mouseUp On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: A silly variation... on mouseUp set the caseSensitive to true put Mary had a little LAMB. Its fleece was WHITE as cocaine. Everywhere that Mary went, she would shout, WINNING! into tWords replace . with empty in tWords replace , with empty in tWords replace ! with empty in tWords repeat for each word thisWord in tWords if thisWord is toUpper(thisWord) then put thisWord cr after tCapWords end repeat set the caseSensitive to false answer tCapWords end mouseUp On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:39 AM, David Bovill david@viral.academy wrote: So what's the quickest way to tell is a word is all caps in Livecode? I guess there are a lot of ways to skin a cat with this one. This is what I'm tinkering with: function text_IsCaps someText put \b[A-Z]+\b into someReg return matchtext (word 1 to -1 of someText, someReg, anyThing) repeat for each char testChar in someText put chartonum (testChar) into someCharNum if someCharNum = 65 and someCharNum = 90 then return false end if end repeat return true end text_IsCaps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Quick Challenge
Ah yes... I should think that's the fastest On Thursday, August 27, 2015, Colin Holgate colinholg...@gmail.com wrote: Almost typed fast enough to post the same answer! On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de javascript:; wrote: Hi David, off the top of my head: function text_is_Caps pText set the caseSensitive to true return pText = toUpper(pText) end text_is_Caps Cheers, Malte -- derbrill IT-service Malte Pfaff-Brill Alsenstr. 15, d-24768 Rendsburg Tel: +49 4331-337 640 0 eMail: i...@derbrill.de javascript:; web: http://www.derbrill.de Steuernummer: 28 015 03865 VAT ID: DE223571286 Bankverbindung: BIC: GENODEF1KIL IBAN: DE87 2109 0007 0088 2849 05 Kieler Volksbank e.G. Kontoinhaber Malte Pfaff-Brill ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com javascript:; Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com javascript:; Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
Richmond, I'll buy it too. I have a grandson who might get into it. Not to mention a two sons who are elementary school teachers. Get on it! Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching stuff to write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids. I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working his way through all the drag and drop block programming stuff he can find (Hopscotch, Scratch et al) so soon he'll be ready to start playing with LC. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]
On 2015-08-27 08:12, Richmond wrote: On 08/27/2015 09:59 AM, Charles Warwick wrote: /I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll reiterate them: 1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor 2. What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it LCB code needs to be “compiled”, that is the purpose of the builder as per Peter’s comment: The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions. Aha. Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear. Hi Richmond, The documentation is just as free and open source as the rest of the LiveCode IDE. You can find it in our git repository here: https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out? When you've already got a detailed knowledge of a topic, it's often very difficult to explain it in a way that's accessible to people who are new to it. Having fresh eyes is often enormously helpful in improving the quality and structure of introductory materials! Please let me know how I can help you get set up for using GitHub and making LiveCode better. There's a brief guide to our workflow here: https://github.com/runrev/livecode/blob/develop/HACKING.md#using-github (but this, too, could probably benefit with some fleshing-out). Peter -- Dr Peter Brett peter.br...@livecode.com LiveCode Engine Development Team LiveCode on reddit! https://reddit.com/r/livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
On 08/27/2015 09:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in it's supported language, to have an inadequate text editor is a very bad look Again, we agree. and turns programmers away. Only if they don't have a choice to use something better. Choice is useful only so long as it's a choice, rather than a requirement. It would hardly be an INTEGRATED development environment if it didn't have a script editor. Moreover, a script editor is a very good example of the sort of thing LiveCode can do very well. And best of all, AFAIK no one in the company is thinking about shipping LC without a script editor. Given all this, making the current script editor robust and performant would logically seem among the highest priorities, since a good SE makes the product a joy to use and a poor SE makes LC look bad. In short, the choice is to either make more money or less, to the degree that the SE is solid and enjoyable. After all, it's the one part of the IDE everyone uses most often. Along the way, reinstating an updated version of MetaCard's support for external editors would be useful AS AN OPTION, and probably something the community could deliver. To make the latter work well we'll want formatting and colorization plugins for as many third party editors as we can make them for - again, best done by the community since each of us has our own favorite so each of us may be motivated to write a LiveCode add-on for it. This page at Ken Ray's site discusses how external editors can be used in LC, with links to various LC-specific modules (though some of these may need to be updated): http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm Well: I've just downloaded the stsMLXEditor and placed it in the /livecodecommunity-7.0.6 (x86_64)/Plugins/ folder and it does not show up in /Development/Plugins in the 7.0.6 menu . . . Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
You did the obvious, and restarted LC after placing the plugin right? If you didn't restart lc, and you don't want to, an easy way to force a re-read of the plugins folder is to go into the plugin settings. You don't have to do anything, just going to the settings dialog forced the re-read. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/27/2015 09:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in it's supported language, to have an inadequate text editor is a very bad look Again, we agree. and turns programmers away. Only if they don't have a choice to use something better. Choice is useful only so long as it's a choice, rather than a requirement. It would hardly be an INTEGRATED development environment if it didn't have a script editor. Moreover, a script editor is a very good example of the sort of thing LiveCode can do very well. And best of all, AFAIK no one in the company is thinking about shipping LC without a script editor. Given all this, making the current script editor robust and performant would logically seem among the highest priorities, since a good SE makes the product a joy to use and a poor SE makes LC look bad. In short, the choice is to either make more money or less, to the degree that the SE is solid and enjoyable. After all, it's the one part of the IDE everyone uses most often. Along the way, reinstating an updated version of MetaCard's support for external editors would be useful AS AN OPTION, and probably something the community could deliver. To make the latter work well we'll want formatting and colorization plugins for as many third party editors as we can make them for - again, best done by the community since each of us has our own favorite so each of us may be motivated to write a LiveCode add-on for it. This page at Ken Ray's site discusses how external editors can be used in LC, with links to various LC-specific modules (though some of these may need to be updated): http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm Well: I've just downloaded the stsMLXEditor and placed it in the /livecodecommunity-7.0.6 (x86_64)/Plugins/ folder and it does not show up in /Development/Plugins in the 7.0.6 menu . . . Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
I am having the same problem. The plugin doesn't load and it's not listed in the Plugins menu or in the Configure Plugins menu. This is with LC 6.6, and yes I did restart LC after installing it. I opened the plugin manually from the File Open menu and set it up to use the OSX Textmate editor. I haven't experienced the performance issues with the IDE script editor that others have mentioned but I see a lot of features in Textmate that I really like, code folding for example. It would of course be better if this was all built into the IDE script editor but this is a great substitute until that happens. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:42 PM Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote: You did the obvious, and restarted LC after placing the plugin right? If you didn't restart lc, and you don't want to, an easy way to force a re-read of the plugins folder is to go into the plugin settings. You don't have to do anything, just going to the settings dialog forced the re-read. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/27/2015 09:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in it's supported language, to have an inadequate text editor is a very bad look Again, we agree. and turns programmers away. Only if they don't have a choice to use something better. Choice is useful only so long as it's a choice, rather than a requirement. It would hardly be an INTEGRATED development environment if it didn't have a script editor. Moreover, a script editor is a very good example of the sort of thing LiveCode can do very well. And best of all, AFAIK no one in the company is thinking about shipping LC without a script editor. Given all this, making the current script editor robust and performant would logically seem among the highest priorities, since a good SE makes the product a joy to use and a poor SE makes LC look bad. In short, the choice is to either make more money or less, to the degree that the SE is solid and enjoyable. After all, it's the one part of the IDE everyone uses most often. Along the way, reinstating an updated version of MetaCard's support for external editors would be useful AS AN OPTION, and probably something the community could deliver. To make the latter work well we'll want formatting and colorization plugins for as many third party editors as we can make them for - again, best done by the community since each of us has our own favorite so each of us may be motivated to write a LiveCode add-on for it. This page at Ken Ray's site discusses how external editors can be used in LC, with links to various LC-specific modules (though some of these may need to be updated): http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm Well: I've just downloaded the stsMLXEditor and placed it in the /livecodecommunity-7.0.6 (x86_64)/Plugins/ folder and it does not show up in /Development/Plugins in the 7.0.6 menu . . . Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
Peter Haworth wrote: It would of course be better if this was all built into the IDE script editor but this is a great substitute until that happens. Better is nice, but now can be even nicer. :) Plugins are not only easily shared, but also self-contained, so they make a great way to explore ways to extend the IDE without mucking with the IDE directly. Over time perhaps truly great plugins can find their way into the IDE. But for now we can explore all sorts of options, and with the confidence that whatever we make will survive updates to the IDE. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
On 2015-08-27 21:30, Mike Bonner wrote: I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu. Changed it from invisible to modeless. Restarted, set up wordpad as my editor (going to try to get it going with geany next) Changed it back to starting up when lc starts, and its working. By the way -- recent releases of the Atom package for LiveCode support traditional LiveCode scripts as well. Try it out! Peter -- Dr Peter Brett peter.br...@livecode.com LiveCode Engine Development Team LiveCode on reddit! https://reddit.com/r/livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu. Changed it from invisible to modeless. Restarted, set up wordpad as my editor (going to try to get it going with geany next) Changed it back to starting up when lc starts, and its working. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Peter Haworth wrote: It would of course be better if this was all built into the IDE script editor but this is a great substitute until that happens. Better is nice, but now can be even nicer. :) Plugins are not only easily shared, but also self-contained, so they make a great way to explore ways to extend the IDE without mucking with the IDE directly. Over time perhaps truly great plugins can find their way into the IDE. But for now we can explore all sorts of options, and with the confidence that whatever we make will survive updates to the IDE. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]
On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out? I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or maybe, put up or shut up. We're such an...assertive...culture. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
It's showing up for me now, It's in my personal plugins folder but still doesn't show up in the Development Plugins list or the Plugin Settings list, maybe because the stack name begins with rev? It's hard to locate stuff in the plugin settings list since they don't seem to be in any particular order, certainly not alphabetic as they are in the Plugins list itself. LC 6.6, OSX On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:30 PM Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote: I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu. Changed it from invisible to modeless. Restarted, set up wordpad as my editor (going to try to get it going with geany next) Changed it back to starting up when lc starts, and its working. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Peter Haworth wrote: It would of course be better if this was all built into the IDE script editor but this is a great substitute until that happens. Better is nice, but now can be even nicer. :) Plugins are not only easily shared, but also self-contained, so they make a great way to explore ways to extend the IDE without mucking with the IDE directly. Over time perhaps truly great plugins can find their way into the IDE. But for now we can explore all sorts of options, and with the confidence that whatever we make will survive updates to the IDE. -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager rich...@livecode.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Button Names on top of their icon?
Is there some way to get a button name to be centered on top of it's icon? This is a context where the icon is designed to be a background for the button and the center area is clear, plain, flat colored and meant to take the button label. Of course can import the image and put a transparent button on top, but ideally we could center the button name on top of the icon itself... but I can't find a way to do that... is there a way? BR ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Button Names on top of their icon?
If you're using LC7, you should take a look at the iconGravity property. Dumb name (why not iconAlign?) but I think it should do what you're looking for. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/27/15, 9:22 PM, Brahmanathaswami bra...@hindu.org wrote: Is there some way to get a button name to be centered on top of it's icon? This is a context where the icon is designed to be a background for the button and the center area is clear, plain, flat colored and meant to take the button label. Of course can import the image and put a transparent button on top, but ideally we could center the button name on top of the icon itself... but I can't find a way to do that... is there a way? BR ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Building from develop on OS X
Hmm, those errors suggest revXML hasn't built properly. If you specifically built the revXML target, does it appear to succeed? On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: Tried all of those, but still the same problems. I get an error that looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 Followed by another window saying: Error while loading stack: /Users/…./livecode/ide/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript On 26 Aug 2015, at 11:39 pm, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: Ah actually, on second thoughts it is probably the extensions target that you need to build. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:43 PM Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: It sounds like you haven't built the revZip target (and probably the other externals too). Try building the LiveCode-all target and then run development again. Ali On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:33 PM Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: After causing myself some problems with my local copy of the develop branch of LiveCode, I pulled down a fresh copy of the repo today and built it under OS X. While it built successfully and starts ok, the extensions manager only opens as an empty window, and none of the widgets show in the tools palette (the classic objects do show). Has anyone else tried to build the develop branch today under OS X? I am trying to work out if I’ve messed up something on my local machine.. My build from about a week ago was working fine, and I built it under Linux today also with no problems (though not with at exact same commit level). Cheers, Charles. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
One of the 'snags' with most screen readers is that they are NOT really screen readers at all, they are programs that read the content inwith windows of programs with which they are compatible. Until (?) someone develops a LiveCode-specific screen reader, what would be required is a reader that is, indeed a screen reader insofar as it would read either the whole screen or the top-level window on that screen regardless of what program it belonged to. This is pretty interesting: http://webaim.org/techniques/screenreader/ as is this: http://usabilitygeek.com/10-free-screen-reader-blind-visually-impaired-users/ However, I should point out that Orca, while being installable on my Xubuntu 64-bit machine doesn't start up. Most screen readers seem devoted to internet browsers only. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Building from develop on OS X
Ah… specifically built the revXML target - which succeeded. Then ran development again and all was good :-) Not sure why that wasn’t getting built when building LiveCode-all target? Thanks Ali On 27 Aug 2015, at 8:01 pm, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: Hmm, those errors suggest revXML hasn't built properly. If you specifically built the revXML target, does it appear to succeed? On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: Tried all of those, but still the same problems. I get an error that looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 Followed by another window saying: Error while loading stack: /Users/…./livecode/ide/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript On 26 Aug 2015, at 11:39 pm, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: Ah actually, on second thoughts it is probably the extensions target that you need to build. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:43 PM Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: It sounds like you haven't built the revZip target (and probably the other externals too). Try building the LiveCode-all target and then run development again. Ali On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:33 PM Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: After causing myself some problems with my local copy of the develop branch of LiveCode, I pulled down a fresh copy of the repo today and built it under OS X. While it built successfully and starts ok, the extensions manager only opens as an empty window, and none of the widgets show in the tools palette (the classic objects do show). Has anyone else tried to build the develop branch today under OS X? I am trying to work out if I’ve messed up something on my local machine.. My build from about a week ago was working fine, and I built it under Linux today also with no problems (though not with at exact same commit level). Cheers, Charles. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
I thought it was the other way around: visually challenged for partially sighted and visually impaired for blind. As a non-native speaker of English, it doesn't mattering to me. I just copy what I read or hear without any emotions attached to the words themselves. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 27 aug. 2015 om 11:26 heeft Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On 08/27/2015 12:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. I assumed you were using visually challenged as a euphemism for 'blind', and visually impaired for 'partially sighted'. Otherwise there was no need whatsoever for your reduplication: visually challenged or visually impaired people. Best, Richmond. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:59, Richmond wrote: On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
On 08/27/2015 01:08 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-26 23:28, Richmond wrote: [wall of text] To answer the questions that I was able to identify: * The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions. * Extensions may be either libraries (which add handlers to the LiveCode message path), widgets (which add controls to the LiveCode toolbox) or modules (which are used by other extensions). * Using an external text editor is the recommended and currently only way to edit LiveCode Builder code. I recommend using the Atom editor https://atom.io/, with my language-livecode Atom extension to add syntax highlighting and autocompletion for LiveCode Builder source files https://atom.io/packages/language-livecode. * For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see this blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/. Peter If you paid a peedie bit more attention to what you term my 'wall of text' [aka 'Richmond plays Everyman'] you would, possibly, have taken tent of a few things that were serious questions: /1. Start by creating a plain text file and save it //*do*//disk with the extension lcb [Grammatical error hilited]// //Well, that's a mug's game to start with; these should be possible to make from within the Extension Builder./ --- /I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll reiterate them: 1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor 2. What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
/I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll reiterate them: 1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor 2. What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it LCB code needs to be “compiled”, that is the purpose of the builder as per Peter’s comment: The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
I've created a snippet for the Atom editor to make creating .lcb files a little easier In Atom (you need to have Peters packages installed first) Go FileOpen Your Snippets Add the following to the file '.source.iRev, .source.lcb': 'lcbtemplate': 'prefix': 'lcbt' 'body': '-- declaring extension as widget, followed by identifier\n widget community.livecode.username.identifier\n use com.livecode.canvas\n use com.livecode.widget\n use com.livecode.engine\n metadata title is title\n metadata author is author\n metadata version is 1.0.0\n end widget' Then save the snippets file Create a new .lcb file This must be saved in order for Atom to be able to associate the .lcb file with Peters packages. In the new .lcb file type lcbt and hit enter or the tab key or pick it from the auto-complete options You will now get this added to your .lcb file -- declaring extension as widget, followed by identifier widget community.livecode.username.identifier use com.livecode.canvas use com.livecode.widget use com.livecode.engine metadata title is title metadata author is author metadata version is 1.0.0 end widget - Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now: Get Copy Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/v8-DP3-tp4695584p4695621.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
On 08/27/2015 01:09 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I thought it was the other way around: visually challenged for partially sighted and visually impaired for blind. As a non-native speaker of English, it doesn't mattering to me. I just copy what I read or hear without any emotions attached to the words themselves. Ik ben niet emotioneel betrokken bij het Engels. Ah willnae fash mysel anent vocable intil Sudron, but it maks me fair forfechit quhan fowk spak wi sic unco glaikit vocables that one cannae tak tent at quhat they are speiran eftir. An Ah weel ken quhat a blinn mon is, an Ah weel ken quhat a poncy professur mun be, forbye. Yours aye, Richmond. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 27 aug. 2015 om 11:26 heeft Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On 08/27/2015 12:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. I assumed you were using visually challenged as a euphemism for 'blind', and visually impaired for 'partially sighted'. Otherwise there was no need whatsoever for your reduplication: visually challenged or visually impaired people. Best, Richmond. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:59, Richmond wrote: On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
Richmond said: I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these issues rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is. I put a numbered list of 10 issues (some with sub points) in the Open Source Kickstarter Report Card thread over a week ago when Richard G. made me IDE Czar for a day. Hypothetically, of course. The points weren't repeated in this new thread because I didn't want to bore anyone. Were they coherent? I will leave that for history to decide. -- Scott McDonald Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode www.runrevplanet.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:59, Richmond wrote: On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Building from develop on OS X
Tried all of those, but still the same problems. I get an error that looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/wng4xqzbivacyr1/livecode-develop-error.png?dl=0 Followed by another window saying: Error while loading stack: /Users/…./livecode/ide/Toolset/libraries/revidelibrary.8.livecodescript On 26 Aug 2015, at 11:39 pm, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: Ah actually, on second thoughts it is probably the extensions target that you need to build. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:43 PM Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: It sounds like you haven't built the revZip target (and probably the other externals too). Try building the LiveCode-all target and then run development again. Ali On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:33 PM Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: After causing myself some problems with my local copy of the develop branch of LiveCode, I pulled down a fresh copy of the repo today and built it under OS X. While it built successfully and starts ok, the extensions manager only opens as an empty window, and none of the widgets show in the tools palette (the classic objects do show). Has anyone else tried to build the develop branch today under OS X? I am trying to work out if I’ve messed up something on my local machine.. My build from about a week ago was working fine, and I built it under Linux today also with no problems (though not with at exact same commit level). Cheers, Charles. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
On 08/27/2015 12:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. I assumed you were using visually challenged as a euphemism for 'blind', and visually impaired for 'partially sighted'. Otherwise there was no need whatsoever for your reduplication: visually challenged or visually impaired people. Best, Richmond. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:59, Richmond wrote: On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
Mark, thanks for that quick, comprehensive and clear reply. Graham PS In this particular context, I don’t want to be drawn into a discussion of the ‘political correctness’ of the terminology - so far, so un-Richmond-ish. On 27 Aug 2015, at 09:52, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:29, Graham Samuel wrote: I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer, but you never know, I might one day want to follow the path that Phil is taking (so far unsuccessfully, but probably it will be made to work in time). I suppose I’m getting too old to keep up with all this, but if anyone has a moment to explain, I’d be grateful. Graham On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:04, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm experimenting with the Mac's VoiceOver utility (included with OS X), and VO doesn't know how to interact with a stack - it identifies the window as unknown and doesn't allow you to interact with its elements/objects. Thanks for any tips or insights you can share any tips from your experience. -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode meeting Nederland
Hallo, Komend weekend zal de laatste gelegenheid zijn om de vragenlijst in te vullen. Daarna zal worden besloten wanneer en waar de LiveCode-bijeenkomst plaats zal vinden. Denk erom dat jouw antwoord van invloed is op de beslissing! Laat me hier jouw voorkeuren weten: https://nl.surveymonkey.com/r/8BZTJGJ Hello, This weekend will be the last occasion to fill out the questionnaire. After the weekend, the location and date of the LiveCode meeting will be decided on. Keep in mind that your answers affect the decisions! Tell me what you prefer: https://nl.surveymonkey.com/r/8BZTJGJ -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/16/2015 00:38, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hallo LiveCoders, Over enkele weken zal ik weer een bijeenkomst in Nederland organiseren. Om te peilen hoeveel belangstelling er is en waarin potentiële deelnemers geïnteresseerd zijn, heb ik een korte vragenlijst gemaakt. Het invullen van deze vragenlijst duurt maximaal 5 minuten. Je kunt de vragen hier vinden: https://nl.surveymonkey.com/r/8BZTJGJ Hello LiveCoders, In a few weeks, I'll organise another meeting in the Netherlands. To estimate insterest in the meeting, I have created a questionnaire. Please fill out this form, even if you don't live exactly in the Netherlands but are interested in a meeting with other LiveCoders in Europe: https://nl.surveymonkey.com/r/8BZTJGJ -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
On 08/27/2015 10:49 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: Kay C Lan said: take the smart route and build adequate text handling into their products but allow integration with the industry leaders. One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a change in my script and immediately see the effect. Now while I understand the virtues of using the external text editor of your choice. With your example of XCode and an external editor, is it possible to set breakpoints and single step through the code in your preferred external editor? Very well put. Certainly LiveCode should have a built-in scriptEditor, as should the Extension Builder in LiveCode 8 . . . see abusive comments elsewhere. When debugging in the live coding environment which is LiveCode I expect to be able single step through *and* edit my code in the one place with more than the current rudimentary facilities. While I give Geany as an example cause I like it, it is known as a very light-weight IDE, so it is not a totally unreasonable starting point for the minimum of what an adequate editor should be capable of. By all means allow external editors, but my point is the current LiveCode IDE Script Editor is *not even adequate* and having external plugin editors doesn't fully work around the usability issues. not even adequate, um, by what set of criteria? Personally I like the LiveCode scriptEditor just because it is *NOT* so feature laden one gets lost. usability issues [yuck; my least favourite word again; 'issues') I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these issues rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is. I used the scriptEditor of LC 4.5 (which seems the same as that in 7.0.5) to put together scripts that are 6,000 lines long (), do *search and replace* exercises and so on. I tried, a few times, transferring my code into an external editor (Appleworks, aka Clarisworks 6,on a MacPPC running 10.4), and while it did do search and replace a bit quicker (didn't give me time to gulp my coffee),apart from that there was no obvious advantage. Admittedly I am assessing the scriptEditor with only VB6 for comparison (which stinks). -- Scott McDonald Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode www.runrevplanet.com Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 8/27/2015 10:29, Graham Samuel wrote: I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer, but you never know, I might one day want to follow the path that Phil is taking (so far unsuccessfully, but probably it will be made to work in time). I suppose I’m getting too old to keep up with all this, but if anyone has a moment to explain, I’d be grateful. Graham On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:04, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm experimenting with the Mac's VoiceOver utility (included with OS X), and VO doesn't know how to interact with a stack - it identifies the window as unknown and doesn't allow you to interact with its elements/objects. Thanks for any tips or insights you can share any tips from your experience. -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear text that is displayed on the screen. A very well-known screen reader is JAWS but there are quite a few other commercial and open-source screen readers available. I believe the term accessibility is most appropriate in this matter. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
open printing CRASH
Hello. I am printing a stack in a windows standalone. I do open printing with dialog, and it's all fine. If I run it again, it crashes the app. If I run open printing (without the with dialog) on the second try, it doesn't crash and it prints just fine. Only happens on Windows, Mac is fine. Doesn't seem to be a problem in the IDE, only the standalone. Any thoughts as to what could be the problem? Using LC 7.0.1 Thanks in advance, -Dan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)
Kay C Lan said: take the smart route and build adequate text handling into their products but allow integration with the industry leaders. One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a change in my script and immediately see the effect. Now while I understand the virtues of using the external text editor of your choice. With your example of XCode and an external editor, is it possible to set breakpoints and single step through the code in your preferred external editor? When debugging in the live coding environment which is LiveCode I expect to be able single step through *and* edit my code in the one place with more than the current rudimentary facilities. While I give Geany as an example cause I like it, it is known as a very light-weight IDE, so it is not a totally unreasonable starting point for the minimum of what an adequate editor should be capable of. By all means allow external editors, but my point is the current LiveCode IDE Script Editor is *not even adequate* and having external plugin editors doesn't fully work around the usability issues. -- Scott McDonald Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode www.runrevplanet.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
On 08/27/2015 09:59 AM, Charles Warwick wrote: /I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at which point one // // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/ Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll reiterate them: 1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor 2. What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it LCB code needs to be “compiled”, that is the purpose of the builder as per Peter’s comment: The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions. Aha. Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear. Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter any sort of computer programming manual that doesn't assume the reader knows all sorts of things already. People who write these sorts of manuals ought to go and take a short course in reader-response theory, and work on the basis that ALL the people who will read what they write are steaming idiots who know nothing about the subject: then, even though the vast majority won't be steaming idiots (well, one hopes not) the stuff will provide all the information that, at present, writers of programming manuals seem to think is given. As one writes 'normal' LiveCode scripts into the built-in scriptEditor (although I see a lot of people are fed-up with it - has always served me well), it would seem 'a good thing' for the Extension Builder to have a scriptEditor of its own, rather than having to rely on an external text editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer, but you never know, I might one day want to follow the path that Phil is taking (so far unsuccessfully, but probably it will be made to work in time). I suppose I’m getting too old to keep up with all this, but if anyone has a moment to explain, I’d be grateful. Graham On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:04, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm experimenting with the Mac's VoiceOver utility (included with OS X), and VO doesn't know how to interact with a stack - it identifies the window as unknown and doesn't allow you to interact with its elements/objects. Thanks for any tips or insights you can share any tips from your experience. -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: screen readers
On 08/27/2015 11:29 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer, but you never know, I might one day want to follow the path that Phil is taking (so far unsuccessfully, but probably it will be made to work in time). Ha, Ha; now you'll get what you deserve! As far as I understand a screen reader in this context is a piece of software that can turn any text in a LiveCode stack and/or standalone into speech to facilitate blind and partially sighted people. Accessibility is a bit like Issues . . . Woolly thinking reflected in woolly words, or that the people who use these sorts of words are so paranoid about being politically correct they forget that a spade is a 'spade' instead of an earth relocation instrument, I just don't know! I think by 'accessibility' . . . 'in this context' . . . it is meant that a stack is not 'accessible' to blind people because they cannot see it, unless a screen reader can,somehow,verbalise what is displayed on screen. Now I need to be belted round the chops for using 'blind' rather than 'visually challenged'! I suppose I’m getting too old to keep up with all this, but if anyone has a moment to explain, I’d be grateful. I'll send you my spare Zimmer frame by return of post :) Graham On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:04, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm experimenting with the Mac's VoiceOver utility (included with OS X), and VO doesn't know how to interact with a stack - it identifies the window as unknown and doesn't allow you to interact with its elements/objects. Thanks for any tips or insights you can share any tips from your experience. -- Phil Davis ___ Richmond, a cis-sexual, ectomorphic, previously non-standard hair-coloured, non-African person who enjoys an exogamous union outwith his country of origin. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: v8 DP3
On Aug 27, 2015 3:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Aha. Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear. Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter any sort of computer programming manual that doesn't assume the reader knows all sorts of things already. People who write these sorts of manuals ought to go and take a short course in reader-response theory, and... [BROKEN WALL]. ;-) I see an opportunity for you, Richmond. As you learn to use LiveCode Builder from the basics going forward, write a book and get it published as LiveCode Builder for Dummies. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
