Something Screwy about Scrollbars

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

I have noticed that standard sliders/scrollbars seem to cause weird performance 
problems. What I think is happening is a severe performance hit after (and only 
after) saving AND quitting a stack with a new slider. Upon reopening the stack 
performance is severely degraded. This happened to me today, and when I deleted 
the new slider, performance shot back up to normal. Anyone else relate to this?

I’m using LC 8.1.2 on Mac OS 10.12.2
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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/06/2017 04:29 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


Unless there a real advantage that I can't think of, or a need, for this
change, could I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular
change.


I believe the change that Heather (et al?) made to the MailMan 
configuration is the correct way (or at least one of the correct ways) 
to handle DMARC. DMARC has been around for quite some time, although the 
adoption of DMARC record processing has lagged way behind its need. And 
the pain points of its adoption are in the direction of increased 
security and lower spam and phishing volume.




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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

gotta say... looking at livecode.com it  is very clear that livecode is
nearly hoping that people won't notice that there is an open source version
and buy a license because they didn't know any better.

shadyshady.. almost understandable, but why go open source if you
gonna pretend like you aren't?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Keith Martin  wrote:

> On 4 Jan 2017, at 14:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
> What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that they
>> need to shout a bit louder
>> about the Open Source version
>>
>
> Amen! The FOSS, Community edition is a great thing, and it's
>
> It'd also be great if the mother ship would also consider, one day, a more
> inexpensive way to step up to the level where App Store submission is
> possible, perhaps as a short-term (say, 1 month?) window, bundled with
> advice for efficient App Store submission? Perhaps something similar for
> HTML5 publication in the future? LC is wonderful, but it is feeling more
> and more like a product with a 'keep out, professionals only' label on the
> virtual box... :-/
>
> Me, I'd SO glad I got Indy in time to keep annual cost just about
> affordable. I make peanuts (at most!) from what I build, but that's not the
> point for me; it's just too much fun not to be part of the LC builder
> community. I did once hope HTML5 would be available as part of that, but
> sadly it's separate. :(
>
> k
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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> "A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary
> statement. LiveCode is a business, with expenses and a stable of highly
> skilled and valuable developers. Which of them would you like us to fire?


Friends,

Both statements are uncalled for. It is not a matter of milking and not a
matter of firing people, both arguments add nothing to the thread. Since I
started this thread let me further clarify it.

The new TS Net thing is cool and we all love all the work that HQ does and
want to see them all employed. This being said, there were arbitrary
decisions regarding the features of the new TS Net external. Splitting the
features between Indy and Business in a way that makes the life of the LC
indy customers harder.

I would infer that the movement (or upsell) from community users to indy
users is more common than from Indy to Business. I believe that it is
better to convert the larger userbase of community users into indy users
than to convert the smaller base of indy users into business. This is of
course my opinion and how I see it.

Almost all languages under the sun have SFTP libraries available for free.
This is the kind of feature that is taken for granted elsewhere. LC being
smaller requires bounties, crowdfunds and business acumen to keep the boat
floating well. We know that. What I am saying is that this decision on the
features actually makes the TS Net features almost unusable by Indy users.
It is almost the same as not having it.

Instead of hoping through the hops of storing stuff into variables to then
push them into the server thus allocating potentially hundreds of
megabytes, Indy users will simply use a shell command such as "scp source
destination" and not upgrade to business because that solves the problem,
even if in a hackish way.

For example, I just spent the last couple hours coding a library to mount
and work with network shares on both windows and mac because I can't use
sftp at all with my indy license, not when I need to move hundreds of
megabytes around.

It all boils down to a single statement: "SFTP is not an enterprise need,
it is a common user need". I could paste a dozen articles from the web
showing why SSL and secure connections matter, why encryption is needed
everywhere. This is not a matter of opinion, this is well researched facts
from major universities and stakeholders of the Internet. The fact that we
treat secure connections like they were Oracle deployments (which not many
people outside of enterprise needs) makes me think that HQ is shooting
itself on the foot on this one.

Om om
andre




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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Bouncy, bouncy, rubber ball . . .

30 seconds . . .

Not really the end of the world.

Richmond.

On 1/6/17 5:56 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

-1 I plead with Heather to NOT reverse this recent change! Cmon, no one sees 
that people getting bounced is MUCH WORSE than the inconvenience of what your 
from address looks like??

Bob S



On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:29 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I know Heather has just made some changes to try to solve the 'bounce' problem. 
But I think in doing so a new problem has arisen.

It used to be that email from the list showed up as
   'from' : someu...@theiraddress.com
   'reply-to' : use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

They now show up as
   'from' : How to use Livecode 
   'cc' : someu...@theiraddress.com

which is (for me at least) much less convenient.
Previously I could sit there in my email client, and immediately see who had sent each 
email on the list, so it was very easy to look back to remind myself what an individual 
had said - indeed it was even easy to search for their emails using the "Find" 
feature.

Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same address, 
and need to be individually opened to see who they were from, and so searching 
for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is much harder.

Unless there a real advantage that I can't think of, or a need, for this 
change, could I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular change.

Thanks
Alex.


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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you very much for that recipe Peter Brett; very useful as I use 
Thunderbird on both Mac and Linux.


Returning to Macintosh I realise how much my experience on Mac has been 
enriched by what I learnt from

a 10 year sojourn on Linux . . .

Richmond.

On 1/6/17 5:43 pm, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
Yes, and Yes. That does indeed solve the problem for me - I too now 
see "Some Name via use-livecode" so all my functionality and preferred 
way of working is restored.


And, as I said originally - if there's a need for this, then I would 
have happily put up with (sorry - "accepted") it just fine :-)


Thanks again Peter (and Heather, and everyone else)

Alex


On 06/01/2017 14:27, Peter TB Brett via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/01/2017 12:29, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same
address, and need to be individually opened to see who they were from,
and so searching for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is
much harder.


Hi Alex,

Do you use Thunderbird?  If so, you probably want to:

1. Open the 'Preferences' window
2. Go to the 'Display' page
3. Go to the 'Advanced' tab
4. Disable the checkbox marked 'Show only display name for people in 
my address book'


This resolved the problem for me.

  Peter




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RE: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Jim MacConnell via use-livecode]

+1
Well said.
... there's no way I can justify the expense other than to tell myself I'm
supporting something worthwhile in about the only way I can.
Jim M.

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 8:10 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

Exactly what I was thinking when I read it. My greatest aprehension in using
Livecode is that one day it will be gone, and I will have to learn to use
C++ or Objective C, which is to say I will have to give up software
development. I'm not really sure how they stay afloat as is, but as I
develop strictly for in house use for my company, and not because they want
me to either, but because I happen to know that what I have created for them
vastly simplifies and streamlines my workflow and that of my techs, all that
to say that I pay for LC development out of pocket. the $700 a year hurts.
But I pay it because I need the features Indy offers, and I also think  that
if I am not going to contribute to the open source project (like I have
anything to contribute) then my paying for the Indy license once a year is
my way of supporting it.

I suppose it is how you choose to look at things. I remember getting really
excited about Filemake Standalones until I discovered I would have to pay a
distribution fee for *every single instance* of a distributed app!!! Oh
yeah, and developing for Filemaker sucks goose eggs. Also I come from a
background of Procedural Foxpro where creating a form meant "saying" text at
different window coordinates, then "getting" whatever the user typed in.
There was no program interaction during a read. No events triggered. Foxpro
was in a coma. And, it took forever to write and troubleshoot even minor
changes, compared to Livecode.

You can write a functional utility in a matter of minutes, debug it in a few
hours, make it pretty inside of a day. Compile and distribute it no charge.
AND they offer a free edition. I'm not sure anyone has any room to complain
here.

Bob S


On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:49 , Heather Laine via use-livecode
> wrote:

"A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary statement.

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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

I totally agree with you and could not have said  it better.



> Am 06.01.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Exactly what I was thinking when I read it. My greatest aprehension in using 
> Livecode is that one day it will be gone, and I will have to learn to use C++ 
> or Objective C, which is to say I will have to give up software development. 
> I'm not really sure how they stay afloat as is, but as I develop strictly for 
> in house use for my company, and not because they want me to either, but 
> because I happen to know that what I have created for them vastly simplifies 
> and streamlines my workflow and that of my techs, all that to say that I pay 
> for LC development out of pocket. the $700 a year hurts. But I pay it because 
> I need the features Indy offers, and I also think  that if I am not going to 
> contribute to the open source project (like I have anything to contribute) 
> then my paying for the Indy license once a year is my way of supporting it.
> 
> I suppose it is how you choose to look at things. I remember getting really 
> excited about Filemake Standalones until I discovered I would have to pay a 
> distribution fee for *every single instance* of a distributed app!!! Oh yeah, 
> and developing for Filemaker sucks goose eggs. Also I come from a background 
> of Procedural Foxpro where creating a form meant "saying" text at different 
> window coordinates, then "getting" whatever the user typed in. There was no 
> program interaction during a read. No events triggered. Foxpro was in a coma. 
> And, it took forever to write and troubleshoot even minor changes, compared 
> to Livecode.
> 
> You can write a functional utility in a matter of minutes, debug it in a few 
> hours, make it pretty inside of a day. Compile and distribute it no charge. 
> AND they offer a free edition. I'm not sure anyone has any room to complain 
> here.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:49 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>   >> wrote:
> 
> "A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary statement.
> 
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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Exactly what I was thinking when I read it. My greatest aprehension in using 
Livecode is that one day it will be gone, and I will have to learn to use C++ 
or Objective C, which is to say I will have to give up software development. 
I'm not really sure how they stay afloat as is, but as I develop strictly for 
in house use for my company, and not because they want me to either, but 
because I happen to know that what I have created for them vastly simplifies 
and streamlines my workflow and that of my techs, all that to say that I pay 
for LC development out of pocket. the $700 a year hurts. But I pay it because I 
need the features Indy offers, and I also think  that if I am not going to 
contribute to the open source project (like I have anything to contribute) then 
my paying for the Indy license once a year is my way of supporting it.

I suppose it is how you choose to look at things. I remember getting really 
excited about Filemake Standalones until I discovered I would have to pay a 
distribution fee for *every single instance* of a distributed app!!! Oh yeah, 
and developing for Filemaker sucks goose eggs. Also I come from a background of 
Procedural Foxpro where creating a form meant "saying" text at different window 
coordinates, then "getting" whatever the user typed in. There was no program 
interaction during a read. No events triggered. Foxpro was in a coma. And, it 
took forever to write and troubleshoot even minor changes, compared to Livecode.

You can write a functional utility in a matter of minutes, debug it in a few 
hours, make it pretty inside of a day. Compile and distribute it no charge. AND 
they offer a free edition. I'm not sure anyone has any room to complain here.

Bob S


On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:49 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
> wrote:

"A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary statement.

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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

-1 I plead with Heather to NOT reverse this recent change! Cmon, no one sees 
that people getting bounced is MUCH WORSE than the inconvenience of what your 
from address looks like?? 

Bob S


> On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:29 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know Heather has just made some changes to try to solve the 'bounce' 
> problem. But I think in doing so a new problem has arisen.
> 
> It used to be that email from the list showed up as
>   'from' : someu...@theiraddress.com
>   'reply-to' : use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> 
> They now show up as
>   'from' : How to use Livecode 
>   'cc' : someu...@theiraddress.com
> 
> which is (for me at least) much less convenient.
> Previously I could sit there in my email client, and immediately see who had 
> sent each email on the list, so it was very easy to look back to remind 
> myself what an individual had said - indeed it was even easy to search for 
> their emails using the "Find" feature.
> 
> Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same 
> address, and need to be individually opened to see who they were from, and so 
> searching for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is much harder.
> 
> Unless there a real advantage that I can't think of, or a need, for this 
> change, could I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular change.
> 
> Thanks
> Alex.
> 
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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Yes, and Yes. That does indeed solve the problem for me - I too now see 
"Some Name via use-livecode" so all my functionality and preferred way 
of working is restored.


And, as I said originally - if there's a need for this, then I would 
have happily put up with (sorry - "accepted") it just fine :-)


Thanks again Peter (and Heather, and everyone else)

Alex


On 06/01/2017 14:27, Peter TB Brett via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/01/2017 12:29, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same
address, and need to be individually opened to see who they were from,
and so searching for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is
much harder.


Hi Alex,

Do you use Thunderbird?  If so, you probably want to:

1. Open the 'Preferences' window
2. Go to the 'Display' page
3. Go to the 'Advanced' tab
4. Disable the checkbox marked 'Show only display name for people in 
my address book'


This resolved the problem for me.

  Peter




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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Peter TB Brett via use-livecode]

On 06/01/2017 12:29, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same
address, and need to be individually opened to see who they were from,
and so searching for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is
much harder.


Hi Alex,

Do you use Thunderbird?  If so, you probably want to:

1. Open the 'Preferences' window
2. Go to the 'Display' page
3. Go to the 'Advanced' tab
4. Disable the checkbox marked 'Show only display name for people in my 
address book'


This resolved the problem for me.

  Peter

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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

The "via" for this gmail user doesn't pose any issues, so if this change
solves the unsubscribe problem, yay!

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't really see what all the fuss is about.
>
> I have been "bounced"/"blocked" or whatever it is called 7 times: but as
> it takes about 30 seconds to reset things after the first one or two times
> I couldn't be bothered getting annoyed with it.
>
> Whether a posting i labelled as "via" or not seems neither here nor there
> as long as one can read the thing.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 1/6/17 3:08 pm, Keith Martin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:55, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> Well. That's the problem you see. DMARC rejects mail on the basis that it
>>> does not come from the same address as the sender ie the posting person's
>>> email is not the list address.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, what *I* now see is emails being marked as from "[individual
>> name] via use-livecode", which is actually perfectly usable for me. (I
>> don't mean this as an 'I'm alright Jack' message, just noting that I do see
>> individual names.)
>>
>> k
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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:49, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

"A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary 
statement. LiveCode is a business, with expenses and a stable of 
highly skilled and valuable developers.


I meant this in the traditional 'online pushy chatty' manner, not as an 
actual accusation. I apologise fully, I expressed myself badly. Mea 
maxima culpa.


From the point of view of those of us who have seen the product's full 
evolution it has unarguably moved into a very different realm as far as 
charges are concerned. I have a natural and ingrained dislike of ongoing 
costs, in part because I'm an old industry fart and in part because I 
use a *lot* of different software and use the vast majority on an 
occasional basis so I prefer to buy rather than rent in order to keep a 
lid on my outgoings. (The only ongoing 'rent' payment models that I have 
are with Adobe and LiveCode. Both are valuable to me, although not 
really in the financial sense. I am indy in many senses of the word!)


I am still disappointed that HTML5 turned out to be not part of the 
regular set of Indy output options. I may well have misunderstood this 
from the start... it won't be the first time. :-/


k


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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I don't really see what all the fuss is about.

I have been "bounced"/"blocked" or whatever it is called 7 times: but as 
it takes about 30 seconds to reset things after the first one or two 
times I couldn't be bothered getting annoyed with it.


Whether a posting i labelled as "via" or not seems neither here nor 
there as long as one can read the thing.


Richmond.

On 1/6/17 3:08 pm, Keith Martin via use-livecode wrote:

On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:55, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Well. That's the problem you see. DMARC rejects mail on the basis 
that it does not come from the same address as the sender ie the 
posting person's email is not the list address.


Actually, what *I* now see is emails being marked as from "[individual 
name] via use-livecode", which is actually perfectly usable for me. (I 
don't mean this as an 'I'm alright Jack' message, just noting that I 
do see individual names.)


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[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:55, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Well. That's the problem you see. DMARC rejects mail on the basis that 
it does not come from the same address as the sender ie the posting 
person's email is not the list address.


Actually, what *I* now see is emails being marked as from "[individual 
name] via use-livecode", which is actually perfectly usable for me. (I 
don't mean this as an 'I'm alright Jack' message, just noting that I do 
see individual names.)


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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:29, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular change.

Seconded, with bells on! :(

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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-01-06 13:55, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Well. That's the problem you see. DMARC rejects mail on the basis that
it does not come from the same address as the sender ie the posting
person's email is not the list address. Reversing this change will
reinstate that issue. There is no good solution here, which is why I'm
wondering if the list is reaching end of life. Either a proportion of
list users get persistently bounced, creating bounce problems for
other list users in the process, or we live with this style of from
address. And as yet, I do not know if this has really solved the
problem, we'll need to wait a few weeks and see.


This is a pretty useful blog post about the subject, for anyone 
interested. It doesn't sound like any 'perfect' solution is going to 
appear anytime soon...




Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Well. That's the problem you see. DMARC rejects mail on the basis that it does 
not come from the same address as the sender ie the posting person's email is 
not the list address. Reversing this change will reinstate that issue. There is 
no good solution here, which is why I'm wondering if the list is reaching end 
of life. Either a proportion of list users get persistently bounced, creating 
bounce problems for other list users in the process, or we live with this style 
of from address. And as yet, I do not know if this has really solved the 
problem, we'll need to wait a few weeks and see.

Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:29, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know Heather has just made some changes to try to solve the 'bounce' 
> problem. But I think in doing so a new problem has arisen.
> 
> It used to be that email from the list showed up as
>   'from' : someu...@theiraddress.com
>   'reply-to' : use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> 
> They now show up as
>   'from' : How to use Livecode 
>   'cc' : someu...@theiraddress.com
> 
> which is (for me at least) much less convenient.
> Previously I could sit there in my email client, and immediately see who had 
> sent each email on the list, so it was very easy to look back to remind 
> myself what an individual had said - indeed it was even easy to search for 
> their emails using the "Find" feature.
> 
> Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same 
> address, and need to be individually opened to see who they were from, and so 
> searching for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is much harder.
> 
> Unless there a real advantage that I can't think of, or a need, for this 
> change, could I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular change.
> 
> Thanks
> Alex.
> 
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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

"A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary statement. 
LiveCode is a business, with expenses and a stable of highly skilled and 
valuable developers. Which of them would you like us to fire? We need to pay 
for LiveCode's development so that all of the users in the community can 
continue to use it, receive new features and develop their apps. If you want 
features for free, LiveCode Community is Open Source. Here is the link to 
github:

https://github.com/livecode/ 

We welcome all the coding assistance you can give us. The reality is that the 
overwhelming majority of the work is still done by our in-house team, and the 
majority of the work we do goes into all editions including open source.

The new tsNet features are great. They do not take anything away from 
Community, which still has liburl as it always did. They were costly to develop 
and license and will now require maintenance from our team. Some are in Indy 
and some are in Business, where we can receive the appropriate level of 
remuneration for them, allowing us to retain our extremely valuable team and 
bring you the best LiveCode we can.

Warm Regards and Happy New Year!

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 6 Jan 2017, at 10:30, Keith Martin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:41, Skip Kimpel wrote:
> 
>> +1
>> 
>> LC needs to reconsider breaking up functionality based upon licensing.
> 
> Indeed! I haven't looked in depth at the differences, but I thought it was 
> more (or even entirely) about support, which makes sense for high-level 
> business requirements, plus a turnover threshold, which is about common sense 
> (appropriate recompense for lucrative use). With the open-source Community 
> edition, only allowing open-source standalones is eminently logical. But 
> limiting functionality in the way just revealed feels decidedly unfriendly, a 
> bit like devs are being milked.
> 
> :'(
> 
> k
> 
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Changes to use-livecode list.

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

I know Heather has just made some changes to try to solve the 'bounce' 
problem. But I think in doing so a new problem has arisen.


It used to be that email from the list showed up as
   'from' : someu...@theiraddress.com
   'reply-to' : use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

They now show up as
   'from' : How to use Livecode 
   'cc' : someu...@theiraddress.com

which is (for me at least) much less convenient.
Previously I could sit there in my email client, and immediately see who 
had sent each email on the list, so it was very easy to look back to 
remind myself what an individual had said - indeed it was even easy to 
search for their emails using the "Find" feature.


Now that's impossible - all emails in the thread appear from the same 
address, and need to be individually opened to see who they were from, 
and so searching for a reply that I remember ws from (say) Richard is 
much harder.


Unless there a real advantage that I can't think of, or a need, for this 
change, could I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular change.


Thanks
Alex.


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Re: Not Corruption

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
>
> And my first stint of practicing law led to Hawkins' Second Law: There is
> no lower bound to human intelligence.
>
> (I've forgotten the first law; it was a special case of the second)
>
I'm assuming the old "The difference between genius and stupidity is
that genius has it's limits".

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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:41, Skip Kimpel wrote:


+1

LC needs to reconsider breaking up functionality based upon licensing.


Indeed! I haven't looked in depth at the differences, but I thought it 
was more (or even entirely) about support, which makes sense for 
high-level business requirements, plus a turnover threshold, which is 
about common sense (appropriate recompense for lucrative use). With the 
open-source Community edition, only allowing open-source standalones is 
eminently logical. But limiting functionality in the way just revealed 
feels decidedly unfriendly, a bit like devs are being milked.


:'(

k


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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

[Charles Warwick via use-livecode]

Hi Bill and others,

I appreciate the feedback regarding the feature breakdown between the 
different licenses.


The decision to split the features (and how they were split) across 
Business and Indy was decided on by the LiveCode team.


I expect that some of them may have seen this thread, however I 
recommend contacting them directly if you want to ensure that they hear 
your thoughts.


Regards,

Charles


On 4/01/2017 7:47 AM, William Prothero wrote:

Charles:
It also seems to me like this is a vital feature that could cripple some 
applications. I agree with the other posters that the Indy version will 
probably be purchased by the great majority of those who purchase licenses. It 
“should” be a big market.

Best,
Bill


Skip Kimpel  wrote:

+1

LC needs to reconsider breaking up functionality based upon licensing.

SKIP

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