Re: TSNet error 6

[Charles Warwick via use-livecode]

Hi Jacque,

Any of those error codes (6, 7 or 35) are reasonable if you are 
operating in an area with a really poor connection.


When you are operating on a public wifi, it could have a lot to do with 
how the wifi is configured, as Bob mentioned below.  How these are 
configured can vary greatly.


Depending on how far you want to go with testing, you could try see if 
your app can communicate with other sites when at these coffee shops.  
Does it only have trouble with HTTPS sites, or just certain sites?  If 
you browse to a site first with Chrome, does your app then work 
afterwards?  Does it have trouble if you try connect via the IP address 
rather than the hostname?


Cheers,

Charles


On 6/09/2017 6:37 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Okay, so three of us have been running around for a couple of days 
trying to find "bad" internet connections. Sometimes we walk to the 
limits of our router until we barely get a connection, and we get curl 
error 35. At some coffee shops with a solid connection we get error 6, 
once error 7. Sometimes Slack works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes 
we don't have any problems at all on public wifi.


I think this is out of our control.

On 9/5/17 11:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy 
server and that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And 
yeah it could definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have 
to reboot the router at work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops 
passing traffic and I have to reset it. Wireless is black magic 
voodoo anyways.


Bob S


On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:


In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free 
wifi (it was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The 
app could not resolve the host though the connection would have been 
constant.
When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all 
of us on the team.


We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could 
connect to anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not 
work using https. Could that be a factor?


We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're 
not quite sure yet.



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I just posted an Augmented Earth sample stack on LiveCode share

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Hello everyone,

I just posted a sample version of my app on LC share, AKA rev online.

It points to my dev server, so there are no problems with you guys posting
test reports.

Hopefully this will help you guys with 3D mapping experiments you may have.
The sample stack pulls images from open street maps without a license. This
is only appropriate for experimenting. For distributing apps, you will need
to get a license with a map provider.

If anyone has any questions about how to do any of the stuff demonstrated
in the app, please feel free to ask them here.

I posted it leading up to my presentation at LC Global on Sept. 21 on 3D
Earth mapping.

Peace,

Jonathan

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Re: Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 6 Sep 2017, at 8:03 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Just tried 8.1.7 RC1 for OS X. My code starts to fail right away. I 
> have a simple handler called ArrangeMenus, which if not in development mode 
> removes a couple menu buttons, then bumps the buttons over filling in the 
> gaps. In 8.1.6 runs fine. In 8.1.7 in a repeat loop I get object is not a 
> container, and more importantly, variables that the handler just created are 
> not visible in the debugger, as though the variables do not exist in memory. 
> 
> Something is horribly wrong with this build. 

Bob what do you mean by `if not in development mode` here? Do you mean in a 
standalone? Or when you are using the pointer tool?

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Selections in Text Editor Revisited

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 6 Sep 2017, at 9:24 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think Jacque is right that when dragging bottom up the issue of not all the 
> text between the drag points being selected manifests itself. Also, I've 
> noticed somewhere along the way that the indifidual revNewScriptEditor 
> windows do not maintain their own insertion/selection properties, and as a 
> result, selecting something in one tab will cause the other tabs to "forget" 
> their selection, and that may have something to do with it as well. 


I found a fix for at least one incarnation of this issue. It will be in 8.2 dp 
1.

Cheers

Monte
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Selections in Text Editor Revisited

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I think Jacque is right that when dragging bottom up the issue of not all the 
text between the drag points being selected manifests itself. Also, I've 
noticed somewhere along the way that the indifidual revNewScriptEditor windows 
do not maintain their own insertion/selection properties, and as a result, 
selecting something in one tab will cause the other tabs to "forget" their 
selection, and that may have something to do with it as well. 

Bob S



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Something is wrong with 8.1.7 RC1

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi all. Just tried 8.1.7 RC1 for OS X. My code starts to fail right away. I 
have a simple handler called ArrangeMenus, which if not in development mode 
removes a couple menu buttons, then bumps the buttons over filling in the gaps. 
In 8.1.6 runs fine. In 8.1.7 in a repeat loop I get object is not a container, 
and more importantly, variables that the handler just created are not visible 
in the debugger, as though the variables do not exist in memory. 

Something is horribly wrong with this build. 

Bob S



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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Peter,
If you try to install an apk to device using a different way than the Test
button, you have to make sure you have "Sign for Development only" in the
Android standalone settings.

Best
Panos

On Sep 5, 2017 20:40, "Colin Holgate via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don’t know the answer to your question, but as far as testing a LiveCode
> app on Android goes, I would use the Development menu, Test Target, Test,
> to try it on a connected Android device.
>
> For installing an APK I would usually just post it online somewhere, that
> way I can try it on various devices without having to connect them, or even
> have them at all (it might be someone else doing the testing).
>
> One odd thing you said, as far as I know Fire is always in developer mode.
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Peter Reid via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jonathan, Colin & Jacqueline
> >
> > Thanks for the various suggestions.
> >
> > On my Mac, I have installed the Java SDK 8.144 and Android Studio 2.3.3
> together with Android File Transfer.  In LC 8.1.6 I have set up the
> reference to the Android SDK (/Users/peter/Library/Android/sdk/).  On my
> Amazon Fie 7 tablet, I have enabled Developer mode and EDB debugging.
> >
> > With this set-up I am able to build an APK app package and copy the APK
> to the Downloads folder on the tablet.  If I tap open the APK file it
> offers to install it, with 2 apparently active buttons - Cancel and Install
> (both in the same colour orange text). The screen correctly list the
> facilities the app will need access to.  However, only the Cancel responds
> to a tap, the Install does nothing and says nothing!
> >
> > Any suggestions as to how I get over this last hurdle?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Peter
> > --
> > Peter Reid
> > Loughborough, UK
> >
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700
> >> From: Colin Holgate 
> >> To: How to use LiveCode 
> >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
> >> Message-ID: <189a5025-6c44-46b3-990c-b03d810e8...@gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I
> wrote about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB:
> >>
> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC=
> PT120=PT120=colin+holgate+0x1949=bl=rPkJGT8NQf=
> PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg=en=X=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCB
> hMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage=colin%20holgate%200x1949=false
> >>
> >> When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of
> that section.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500
> >> From: "J. Landman Gay" 
> >> To: How to use LiveCode 
> >> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
> >> Message-ID:
> >>  <15e53135af8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07
> f...@hyperactivesw.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a
> cloud
> >> service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device.
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> >
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400
> >>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
> >>> To: How to use LiveCode 
> >>> Cc: Peter Reid 
> >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
> >>> Message-ID: <2b51de3a-c7c7-4db1-b18b-31e2bed3b...@gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii
> >>>
> >>> Hi Peter,
> >>>
> >>> Are you able to produce the android standalone file?
> >>>
> >>> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install
> it. I find it much easier than iOS.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400
> >>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
> >>> To: How to use LiveCode 
> >>> Cc: Peter Reid 
> >>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
> >>> Message-ID: <9e9ed30d-70c1-4185-8fe2-a7906d8fd...@gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii
> >>>
> >>> A few more pointers:
> >>>
> >>> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac.
> >>>
> >>> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find
> instructions for this online.
> >>>
> >>> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings
> in Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file
> transfer.
> >>>
> >>> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow
> file transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app
> into a 

Re: TSNet error 6

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Okay, so three of us have been running around for a couple of days 
trying to find "bad" internet connections. Sometimes we walk to the 
limits of our router until we barely get a connection, and we get curl 
error 35. At some coffee shops with a solid connection we get error 6, 
once error 7. Sometimes Slack works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes we 
don't have any problems at all on public wifi.


I think this is out of our control.

On 9/5/17 11:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy server and 
that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And yeah it could 
definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have to reboot the router at 
work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops passing traffic and I have to reset it. 
Wireless is black magic voodoo anyways.

Bob S



On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:

In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free wifi (it was 
one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The app could not resolve the 
host though the connection would have been constant.
When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all of us on 
the team.

We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could connect to 
anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not work using https. 
Could that be a factor?

We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're not quite 
sure yet.



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 9/5/17 10:21 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

19420 Calling quit causes Android app to crash on next launch if Android is
still retaining the app in RAM


For anyone who attended my LC Global presentation, this is the "quit" 
problem I mentioned. Great news that it is fixed now, and you can use 
the quit command again on Android.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I don't mean to imply the link Richmond posted was malware. I was
> responding to the post where Richmond indicated he didn't see what
> was wrong (I took that to mean clicking a link in an email) to which
> I responded that what was wrong (with clicking links in general) is
> that it may seem to be from one person when actually it is not. Given
> that has actually happened to people on this list, I don't think it
> is out of the ordinary to be a little cautious. And since he usually
> signs Richmond, and this time it was signed Richmond Mathewson, I
> thought it might be a good opportunity to remind everyone on the list
> who do like to post links, that it is easier to trust when the list
> member uses a unique signature that no one else could have discerned.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.

No worries. Glad the link was a good one.

Looking for usual patterns can help, but only so much.  After all, if 
they're usual they're usually found in the usual places, and things like 
mailing lists often have public archives.


Ralph's practice of keeping his browser containerized is probably the 
best bet, something Qubes OS is designed to do for all apps, and 
something we'll likely see more of from other OS vendors.


For us app developers, and old-time users accustomed to freely 
interoperating among programs, the future may seem a dim place, where 
each process is ever more tightly sandboxed, with what little data is 
allowed to be exchanged happening through narrow channels controlled by 
the OS.


But with things like IDN homograph attacks, there's really nothing 
anyone can do to prevent clicking on bad URLs - we either give up 
clicking URLs altogether, or accept ever tighter app sandboxing.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I don't mean to imply the link Richmond posted was malware. I was responding to 
the post where Richmond indicated he didn't see what was wrong (I took that to 
mean clicking a link in an email) to which I responded that what was wrong 
(with clicking links in general) is that it may seem to be from one person when 
actually it is not. Given that has actually happened to people on this list, I 
don't think it is out of the ordinary to be a little cautious. And since he 
usually signs Richmond, and this time it was signed Richmond Mathewson, I 
thought it might be a good opportunity to remind everyone on the list who do 
like to post links, that it is easier to trust when the list member uses a 
unique signature that no one else could have discerned. 

Sorry for the confusion. 

Bob S


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:03 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> >> Page 71
> >>
> > https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> >> Richmond Mathewson.
> ...
> > It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong
> > because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the
> > link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a
> > backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last
> > backup.
> 
> @Bob: I think I missed something.  Is the link given above dangerous? I've 
> altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were.
> 
> The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks 
> I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's 
> not an an HTML page at all.
> 
> So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And how 
> quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened that PDF 
> in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to 
> know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.
> 
> If not, what link are you referring to?
> 
> 
> @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Yes, all sorts of things are possible, and perhaps we should all be 
using Qubes OS.


Here I was most interested in learning the specifics Bob reported with 
the link.


--
 Richard Gaskin


Matthias Rebbe wrote:


Am 05.09.2017 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:




The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks I 
suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's not 
an an HTML page at all.


Even if the link seems to direct to a file, this could not be the case. The 
following link for example directs also to a pdf

https://qck.biz/sample.pdf 

but the server redirects that link to a .lc file which outputs some text and 
runs a javascript (just an popup box).

So you never can be sure. ;)

Matthias
 


So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And how 
quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened that PDF in 
Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to know 
if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.

If not, what link are you referring to?


@Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?

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Fourth World Systems



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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I don’t know the answer to your question, but as far as testing a LiveCode app 
on Android goes, I would use the Development menu, Test Target, Test, to try it 
on a connected Android device.

For installing an APK I would usually just post it online somewhere, that way I 
can try it on various devices without having to connect them, or even have them 
at all (it might be someone else doing the testing).

One odd thing you said, as far as I know Fire is always in developer mode.


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Peter Reid via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan, Colin & Jacqueline
> 
> Thanks for the various suggestions.
> 
> On my Mac, I have installed the Java SDK 8.144 and Android Studio 2.3.3 
> together with Android File Transfer.  In LC 8.1.6 I have set up the reference 
> to the Android SDK (/Users/peter/Library/Android/sdk/).  On my Amazon Fie 7 
> tablet, I have enabled Developer mode and EDB debugging.
> 
> With this set-up I am able to build an APK app package and copy the APK to 
> the Downloads folder on the tablet.  If I tap open the APK file it offers to 
> install it, with 2 apparently active buttons - Cancel and Install (both in 
> the same colour orange text). The screen correctly list the facilities the 
> app will need access to.  However, only the Cancel responds to a tap, the 
> Install does nothing and says nothing!
> 
> Any suggestions as to how I get over this last hurdle?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter Reid
> Loughborough, UK
> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700
>> From: Colin Holgate 
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>> Message-ID: <189a5025-6c44-46b3-990c-b03d810e8...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>> 
>> I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I wrote 
>> about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB:
>> 
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC=PT120=PT120=colin+holgate+0x1949=bl=rPkJGT8NQf=PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg=en=X=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCBhMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage=colin%20holgate%200x1949=false
>> 
>> When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of that 
>> section.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500
>> From: "J. Landman Gay" 
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>> Message-ID:
>>  <15e53135af8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f0...@hyperactivesw.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a cloud 
>> service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400
>>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
>>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>>> Cc: Peter Reid 
>>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>>> Message-ID: <2b51de3a-c7c7-4db1-b18b-31e2bed3b...@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Are you able to produce the android standalone file?
>>> 
>>> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I 
>>> find it much easier than iOS.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400
>>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
>>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>>> Cc: Peter Reid 
>>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>>> Message-ID: <9e9ed30d-70c1-4185-8fe2-a7906d8fd...@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> A few more pointers:
>>> 
>>> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac.
>>> 
>>> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find 
>>> instructions for this online.
>>> 
>>> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in 
>>> Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file 
>>> transfer.
>>> 
>>> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file 
>>> transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a 
>>> convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app.
>>> 
>>> In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you 
>>> transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:14:06 -0400
>>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
>>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>>> 

Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Peter Reid via use-livecode]

Hi Jonathan, Colin & Jacqueline

Thanks for the various suggestions.

On my Mac, I have installed the Java SDK 8.144 and Android Studio 2.3.3 
together with Android File Transfer.  In LC 8.1.6 I have set up the reference 
to the Android SDK (/Users/peter/Library/Android/sdk/).  On my Amazon Fie 7 
tablet, I have enabled Developer mode and EDB debugging.

With this set-up I am able to build an APK app package and copy the APK to the 
Downloads folder on the tablet.  If I tap open the APK file it offers to 
install it, with 2 apparently active buttons - Cancel and Install (both in the 
same colour orange text). The screen correctly list the facilities the app will 
need access to.  However, only the Cancel responds to a tap, the Install does 
nothing and says nothing!

Any suggestions as to how I get over this last hurdle?

Thanks

Peter
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 09:35:57 -0700
> From: Colin Holgate 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
> Message-ID: <189a5025-6c44-46b3-990c-b03d810e8...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I don?t know for sure if it?s still needed, but here are the steps I wrote 
> about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB:
> 
> https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC=PT120=PT120=colin+holgate+0x1949=bl=rPkJGT8NQf=PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg=en=X=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCBhMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage=colin%20holgate%200x1949=false
> 
> When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of that 
> section.
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:25:31 -0500
> From: "J. Landman Gay" 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a cloud 
> service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device.
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> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 06:22:45 -0400
>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Cc: Peter Reid 
>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>> Message-ID: <2b51de3a-c7c7-4db1-b18b-31e2bed3b...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Are you able to produce the android standalone file?
>> 
>> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I 
>> find it much easier than iOS.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:11:43 -0400
>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Cc: Peter Reid 
>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>> Message-ID: <9e9ed30d-70c1-4185-8fe2-a7906d8fd...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> A few more pointers:
>> 
>> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac.
>> 
>> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find 
>> instructions for this online.
>> 
>> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in 
>> Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file 
>> transfer.
>> 
>> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file 
>> transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a 
>> convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app.
>> 
>> In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you 
>> transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 07:14:06 -0400
>> From: jonathandly...@gmail.com
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Subject: Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)
>> Message-ID: <84561ba2-5cfc-458e-8a71-4aab28c33...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> That last paragraph should say "My Files app" not "Amy Files app"
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Well, that would take us a step (or lots of steps!) back :)

The dictionary in LC < 8 is totally different, it is a .livecode stack that
displays .xml files (e.g. the dictionary entries).

In LC 8+ it uses a browser widget, and all the entries have been re-written
to .lcdoc files. This makes it more easily maintainable and extensible.

BTW the bug I was referring to (in LC 8), which describes a workaround is
this one:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16848

Workaround described in comment 81(!) and/or 96(!)

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Here's a really dangerous, radical thought . . .
>
> as the Dictionary DOES WORK for LC 7.1.4 with Linux would it not be
> possible to
> port that for LC 9?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 9/5/17 9:25 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> There are 2 different issues:
>>
>> 1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not
>> work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but
>> rather
>> locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report.
>>
>> 2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all
>> in
>> LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email.
>> We
>> have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We
>> believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current
>> version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the
>> issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use.
>> Unfortunately
>> this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0
>> DP-9.
>>
>> best,
>> Panos
>> --
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Warren Samples wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary.
>
> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply
> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]
>

 I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported
 distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't
 encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported
 distros I've tested.

 I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in
 the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least
 two distinct problems?

>>> Thanks for the info, Warren.  I see similar results here under Ubuntu
>>> 14.04 and 16.04:  v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>   Fourth World Systems
>>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>   
>>>   ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Matthias Rebbe
+49 5741 31
‌wirmachen.software ‌

> Am 05.09.2017 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> >:
> 

> The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks 
> I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's 
> not an an HTML page at all.
> 
Even if the link seems to direct to a file, this could not be the case. The 
following link for example directs also to a pdf

https://qck.biz/sample.pdf 

but the server redirects that link to a .lc file which outputs some text and 
runs a javascript (just an popup box).

So you never can be sure. ;)

Matthias



> So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And how 
> quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened that PDF 
> in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to 
> know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.
> 
> If not, what link are you referring to?
> 
> 
> @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Here's a really dangerous, radical thought . . .

as the Dictionary DOES WORK for LC 7.1.4 with Linux would it not be 
possible to

port that for LC 9?

Richmond.

On 9/5/17 9:25 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

There are 2 different issues:

1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not
work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but rather
locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report.

2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all in
LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email. We
have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We
believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current
version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the
issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use. Unfortunately
this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0 DP-9.

best,
Panos
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Warren Samples wrote:


On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary.

[ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply
inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]


I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported
distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't
encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported
distros I've tested.

I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in
the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least
two distinct problems?

Thanks for the info, Warren.  I see similar results here under Ubuntu
14.04 and 16.04:  v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't.

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Here is the publisher's domain: https://helloworld.raspberrypi.org/

And teachers right across the world are merrily downloading that PDF 
without getting their knickers in a twist.


Richmond.

On 9/5/17 9:03 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Bob Sneidar wrote:

>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Page 71
>>
> 
https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

>> Richmond Mathewson.
...
> It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong
> because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the
> link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a
> backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last
> backup.

@Bob: I think I missed something.  Is the link given above dangerous? 
I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were.


The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without 
its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has 
JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all.


So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  
And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I 
opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but 
it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare 
for recovery.


If not, what link are you referring to?


@Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

There are 2 different issues:

1. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget in general) does not
work **in some systems** in LC 8.x. This is not distro-specific, but rather
locale-specific, and there is a workaround described in the bug report.

2. The dictionary on Linux (and the browser widget) does not work at all in
LC 9.0 DP-7+. This is mentioned as a "known issue" in the release email. We
have spent *a lot* of hours trying to fix this, but with no result. We
believe that the issue is caused by an incompatibility of the current
version of CEF we use (needed for the browser widget), and we think the
issue will be fixed when we update the version of CEF we use. Unfortunately
this is not an easy task, so I do not expect it to be fixed in LC 9.0 DP-9.

best,
Panos
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Warren Samples wrote:
>
> > On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
> >> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary.
> >>
> >> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply
> >> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]
> >
> >
> > I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported
> > distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't
> > encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported
> > distros I've tested.
> >
> > I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in
> > the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least
> > two distinct problems?
>
> Thanks for the info, Warren.  I see similar results here under Ubuntu
> 14.04 and 16.04:  v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't.
>
> --
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>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

 
 

 I guess I need to get a VM configured with Linux to test.I've been trying 
to help with the dictionary but so far only testing with Mac/Win.One thing 
I do notice is that it does take a while to load.Switching to the guide and 
back to API usually has it finish loading.Of course if the whole IDE is 
frozen then that won't do any good.
 

 
 

 
 
>  
> On Sep 5, 2017 at 1:07 PM,   (mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com)>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  
>  Warren Samples wrote:  >  On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via 
> use-livecode wrote:  >>  The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a 
> dictionary.  >>   >>  [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 
> 8 by simply  >>  inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]  >   >   >  I 
> have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported  >  distro!) 
> in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't  >  encountered 
> this issue in any of the many different unsupported  >  distros I've tested.  
> >   >  I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in  
> >  the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least  >  
> two distinct problems? Thanks for the info, Warren. I see similar results 
> here under Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04: v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, 
> v.9dp8 doesn't. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and 
> Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Warren Samples wrote:

> On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>> The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary.
>>
>> [ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply
>> inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]
>
>
> I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported
> distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't
> encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported
> distros I've tested.
>
> I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in
> the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least
> two distinct problems?

Thanks for the info, Warren.  I see similar results here under Ubuntu 
14.04 and 16.04:  v8.1.7rc1 opens the Dictionary well, v.9dp8 doesn't.


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Page 71
>>
> 
https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

>> Richmond Mathewson.
...
> It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong
> because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the
> link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a
> backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last
> backup.

@Bob: I think I missed something.  Is the link given above dangerous? 
I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were.


The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its 
risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. 
Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all.


So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And 
how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened 
that PDF in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would 
be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.


If not, what link are you referring to?


@Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 09/05/2017 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary.

[ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply 
inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]



I have no problems with the dictionary in openSUSE (an unsupported 
distro!) in any LC 8.x version including this one. In fact, I haven't 
encountered this issue in any of the many different unsupported distros 
I've tested.


I do, however, suffer from the problem with the dictionary/browser in 
the later versions of LC 9. Aren't these issues the result of at least 
two distinct problems?


Warren





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Re: Bu**ered by Bug reporter

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, as nobody bothered to tell me how to solve this I spent quite some 
time p*ssing around with a

counter-intuitive thing until I worked out how to do it.

Just found that clicking the button 'Dictionary' on the revMenuBar stack 
in LC 9 dp 8 on Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
freezes the whole IDE, and the only way to sort this out is by sending a 
KILL signal to Livecode; far from satisfactory


(quite apart from the NON dictionary).

Bug  20334

Richmond.

On 9/5/17 8:12 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
I updated my version of the Waterfox web-browser on my Mac today and 
it kindly lost all my passwords.


Clicking on "Forgot Password" on http://quality.livecode.com/
is useless as it does NOT allow me to get a new password.

Richmond.


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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

If you don't want to install Android File Transfer you can also use a cloud 
service like Dropbox to move the apk to the device.

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On September 5, 2017 6:14:08 AM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode 
 wrote:



A few more pointers:

You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac.

You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find 
instructions for this online.


When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in 
Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file 
transfer.


After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file 
transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a 
convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app.


In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you 
transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:22 AM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

Are you able to produce the android standalone file?

I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I 
find it much easier than iOS.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode 
 wrote:


OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but 
I'm completely confused!


On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and 
set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root.  However, I can't see how I 
get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options 
for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a 
new project.


I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in 
sequence.  I'm trying to do the following:


1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my 
Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business.
2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be 
able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community.


In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet 
(2017).  For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've 
persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and 
providing tutoring support.  Between us, we're hoping to develop a very 
simple app to help aged relatives and friends.


LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over 
the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments).  
However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and 
tortuous!


Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development 
facilities.


Thanks

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

OK, Bob, and all others who find it creepy when I use my full name:

I didn't!

My FULL NAME is John Richmond Mathewson.

The only people who call me 'John' are my family and the children I teach.

I have used my second name since 1988 for all professional activities 
[mainly because I was, at that time, working at a Primary school in the UAE,
where teachers are always called 'Mr John' or 'Mr Richmond' and there 
was another teacher who was older than me whose name was 'John'].


End of transparent patch!

Sometimes spending too much time on, frankly, extremely petty things 
like this could be a waste of time.


Richmond.

On 9/5/17 8:15 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong because 
my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the link, and 
encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a backup, so we 
recovered all the files but the ones since the last backup.

Bob S



On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I don't WHAT is wrong . . .

I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL 
Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS)

and am still here to tell the tale.

And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts"

if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; 
well, frankly, . . .

Oops, nearly forgot:

Richmond.

Richmond.

I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York.

Richmond.

(Third time lucky).


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong because 
my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the link, and 
encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a backup, so we 
recovered all the files but the ones since the last backup. 

Bob S


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't WHAT is wrong . . .
> 
> I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL 
> Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS)
> 
> and am still here to tell the tale.
> 
> And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts"
> 
> if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; 
> well, frankly, . . .
> 
> Oops, nearly forgot:
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> (Third time lucky).


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

One of the many reasons I am extremely reluctant to go back to the 
Over-regulated "Untied" Kingdom.


Richmond.

On 9/5/17 7:52 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Don't talk to strangers, always look before you cross, don't click the
link, don't drive down the railway tracks. All these rules. I feel
claustrophobic.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 5 September 2017 at 16:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
for that purpose.

It was a good read. Congrats!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
someone is spamming the list with a drive by.

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves.

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
link.

Bob S



On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

 wrote:

Page 71



https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/
issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

Richmond Mathewson.


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Bu**ered by Bug reporter

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I updated my version of the Waterfox web-browser on my Mac today and it 
kindly lost all my passwords.


Clicking on "Forgot Password" on  http://quality.livecode.com/
is useless as it does NOT allow me to get a new password.

Richmond.
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RE: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

A re-download/re-install fixed it. Strange...

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
Cell: 518-796-9332


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:13 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: panagiotis merakos
Subject: Re: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1

Hi Ralph,

No, it should not, otherwise you would not be able to build device
standalones using Xcode 8.3.x on Sierra. BTW I just checked and it is not
empty for me (checked on Indy and Business).

Maybe a failure during installation? Strange. Could you try to delete and
reinstall?

Best regards,
Panos
--

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos,
>
>
>
> On Mac should the Tools/Runtime/iOS/Device-10_3 folder be empty?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
>
> IT Director
>
> Evergreen Information Services
>
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
>
>
> From: livecode-dev [mailto:livecode-dev-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On 
> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46 AM
> To: LiveCode Developer List
> Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1
>
>
>
> Dear list members,
>
>
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.
>
>
>
> Getting the Release
>
> ===
>
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or 
> via the automatic updater.
>
>
>
>
>
> Release Contents
>
> 
>
>
>
> LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and 
> stability improvements:
>
>
>
> - Several regressions have been fixed.
>
> - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related 
> bugs is included (Indy + Business edition)
>
>
>
> The full release notes are available from:
>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.
> pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> Feedback
>
> 
>
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> The LiveCode Team
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Excited by many things.

I wonder if snapshot, which was failing on desktop (Mac and Linux at least)
has been sorted out?

Majorly %^&*($# by this:

The Linux version of LiveCode is STILL NOT loading a dictionary.

[ I see that that problem has been "solved" in LC 9 dp 8 by simply 
inactivating the Dictionary button on Linux. ]


So, as I stated before:

"always something new to fiddle around with", and CAREFULLY avoided writing:

somethings never seem to get completely sorted out,

but, as you "rose to the bait" I have "baited my hook".

Whatever my sour responses, LiveCode still "rocks the socks" off all
the also-rans.

Richmond.

On 9/5/17 6:21 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

I believe a lot of users will be excited by this release (including
myself), since several known long-standing issues are addressed. Just a
sample of them:

9992 Export snapshot fails on iOS
16029 AppleScript dictionary seems to be absent
17098 Cursor does not move after hitting TAB when tab is right-aligned
17639 Cursor in fields renders in wrong position in fields with
fixedLineHeight=false
18955 Browser widget crashes LC from 
19080 Building iOS standalone can result in ARM/iOS version error
19420 Calling quit causes Android app to crash on next launch if Android is
still retaining the app in RAM
19713 Images placed on Windows clipboard won't paste into Paint
20209 Incorrect text colour following copy and paste into 3rd party app
20231 Windows standalone crashes on quit when taskbar is hidden
20232 New folder separator char inconsistency on Windows
20282 the engine folder uses "\" in paths on Windows
20298 !r for menu item flag displays check mark instead of diamond
20310 Error accessing image data that Windows Paint puts on clipboard
20321 No default value in the ask window if the text contains char 0

Best,
Panos
--

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Exciting.

Why am I excited every time there is a new LiveCode release?

Because there is always something new to fiddle around with!

Lovely!

Richmond.


On 9/5/17 5:45 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:


Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and
stability improvements:

- Several regressions have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included (Indy + Business edition)

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I don't WHAT is wrong . . .

I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL 
Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS)


and am still here to tell the tale.

And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts"

if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this 
Use-list; well, frankly, . . .


Oops, nearly forgot:

Richmond.

Richmond.

I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York.

Richmond.

(Third time lucky).

On 9/5/17 6:06 pm, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
for that purpose.

It was a good read. Congrats!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
someone is spamming the list with a drive by.

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves.

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
link.

Bob S



On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

 wrote:

Page 71



https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Don't talk to strangers, always look before you cross, don't click the
link, don't drive down the railway tracks. All these rules. I feel
claustrophobic.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 5 September 2017 at 16:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
> for that purpose.
>
> It was a good read. Congrats!
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World
>
> I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
> someone is spamming the list with a drive by.
>
> I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
> tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
> use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
> something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves.
>
> I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
> seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
> what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
> link.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
>  wrote:
> >
> > Page 71
> >
> >
> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/
> issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
> 4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> >
> > Richmond Mathewson.
>
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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I don’t know for sure if it’s still needed, but here are the steps I wrote 
about, that were needed back then, to add Kindle Fire to ADB:

https://books.google.com/books?id=9lpx4JbMDrQC=PT120=PT120=colin+holgate+0x1949=bl=rPkJGT8NQf=PNo6PCRI1Hfl4d65-UTgRbpAgXg=en=X=0ahUKEwis1LjVvI7WAhVHw2MKHUPCBhMQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage=colin%20holgate%200x1949=false

When that loads you may need to scroll up a few lines to the start of that 
section.
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Re: Subject: Re: LC and OneSignal

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

You know of new users who have quit using Livecode because there aren't enough 
samples? I bet the Livecode people would love that list so they could contact 
them again. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 15:10 , Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If we want to grow our community we need something like this. LiveCode just
> does not have sufficient examples for people starting out. So they quit.
> 
> --Todd


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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

20332 on this bug.  Now I've got at least one or two more RD bugs that I'm
working on reporting - one is the crash, the other is one that seems to be
causing RD to not work at all for me, either.
20333 on the mergAV/remote debug crash

I built a little sample app to see if I could further diagnose what's going
on with RD, and I can't seem to get the RD to fire, now, either.
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Re: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Ralph,

No, it should not, otherwise you would not be able to build device
standalones using Xcode 8.3.x on Sierra. BTW I just checked and it is not
empty for me (checked on Indy and Business).

Maybe a failure during installation? Strange. Could you try to delete and
reinstall?

Best regards,
Panos
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Panos,
>
>
>
> On Mac should the Tools/Runtime/iOS/Device-10_3 folder be empty?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
>
> IT Director
>
> Evergreen Information Services
>
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
>
>
> From: livecode-dev [mailto:livecode-dev-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46 AM
> To: LiveCode Developer List
> Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1
>
>
>
> Dear list members,
>
>
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.
>
>
>
> Getting the Release
>
> ===
>
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via the automatic updater.
>
>
>
>
>
> Release Contents
>
> 
>
>
>
> LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and
> stability improvements:
>
>
>
> - Several regressions have been fixed.
>
> - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs
> is included (Indy + Business edition)
>
>
>
> The full release notes are available from:
>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> Feedback
>
> 
>
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> The LiveCode Team
>
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Re: TSNet error 6

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

That is interesting. Coffe Shops/Public Wifi typically use a proxy server and 
that may be what is restricting your DNS resolution. And yeah it could 
definitely be a router issue as well. Sometimes I have to reboot the router at 
work. No rhyme or reason, it just stops passing traffic and I have to reset it. 
Wireless is black magic voodoo anyways. 

Bob S


> On Sep 2, 2017, at 06:46 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> In today's episode, the user was in a coffee house using the free wifi (it 
> was one of my testers, there on purpose for testing). The app could not 
> resolve the host though the connection would have been constant. 
> When he tests from his own home everything works, as it does for all of us on 
> the team.
> 
> We're wondering if https has anything to do with it. He could connect to 
> anything with Chrome but both my app and Slack would not work using https. 
> Could that be a factor?
> 
> We need to keep testing to see if https is really the cause, we're not quite 
> sure yet.


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RE: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Panos,

 

On Mac should the Tools/Runtime/iOS/Device-10_3 folder be empty?

 

Thanks

 

Ralph DiMola

IT Director

Evergreen Information Services

rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

 

From: livecode-dev [mailto:livecode-dev-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
panagiotis merakos
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46 AM
To: LiveCode Developer List
Subject: [ANN[ Release 8.1.7 RC-1

 

Dear list members,

 

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.

 

Getting the Release

===

You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via the 
automatic updater.

 

 

Release Contents



 

LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and stability 
improvements:

 

- Several regressions have been fixed.

- New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs is 
included (Indy + Business edition)

 

The full release notes are available from:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf

 

 

Feedback



Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at

http://quality.livecode.com/

 

 

Have fun!

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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Invalid entitlements.  That was it.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:49 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think I had filed one in the past, but I cannot find it now (this is
> related to mergDeploy external). So, yes please, if you don't mind, can you
> file one?
>
> BTW what was the exact error?
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I just discovered that a little while ago.  So, is there a bug
> > report?  Should I file one?  I didn't see one in the list.  The only PP
> bug
> > I see is the one I filed a couple months ago on the other issue.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some
> > > provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of
> > > error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button.
> > >
> > > So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on
> > the
> > > device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a
> > > descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Panos
> > > --
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well,
> > > > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a
> > new
> > > > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report
> > > > App created
> > > > Remote debugger selected in inclusions
> > > > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set
> > > > Phone set as test target
> > > > Nets are the same
> > > > Hit test
> > > > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone.
> > > > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot
> to
> > > do)
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use
> > he
> > > > same
> > > > > internet connection
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Panos
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device
> is
> > > > > > recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to
> test
> > > kept
> > > > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect
> it.  I
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to
> > fix
> > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> > > > > > > use-livecode"  > of
> > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar
> > > widget
> > > > > > > example -
> > > > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to
> > > > > uninstall
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bug 20327.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry
> Judd
> > > via
> > > > > > > > use-livecode"  > > behalf
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of
> > LC
> > > 8
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > I have
> > > > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of
> Monte
> > > > > Goulding
> > > > > > > via
> > > > > > > > use-livecode"  > > behalf
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via
> > > > use-livecode
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be
> 

Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

I think I had filed one in the past, but I cannot find it now (this is
related to mergDeploy external). So, yes please, if you don't mind, can you
file one?

BTW what was the exact error?

Best,
Panos
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I just discovered that a little while ago.  So, is there a bug
> report?  Should I file one?  I didn't see one in the list.  The only PP bug
> I see is the one I filed a couple months ago on the other issue.
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some
> > provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of
> > error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button.
> >
> > So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on
> the
> > device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a
> > descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone.
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well,
> > > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a
> new
> > > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report
> > > App created
> > > Remote debugger selected in inclusions
> > > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set
> > > Phone set as test target
> > > Nets are the same
> > > Hit test
> > > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone.
> > > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to
> > do)
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use
> he
> > > same
> > > > internet connection
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Panos
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is
> > > > > recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test
> > kept
> > > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it.  I
> > > > didn't
> > > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to
> fix
> > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> > > > > > use-livecode"  of
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar
> > widget
> > > > > > example -
> > > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to
> > > > uninstall
> > > > > it
> > > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bug 20327.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd
> > via
> > > > > > > use-livecode"  > behalf
> > > > of
> > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of
> LC
> > 8
> > > > that
> > > > > > I have
> > > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte
> > > > Goulding
> > > > > > via
> > > > > > > use-livecode"  > behalf
> > > > of
> > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via
> > > use-livecode
> > > > <
> > > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be
> > > > interested
> > > > > > to know
> > > > > > > what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the
> > > offending
> > > > > > > inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it
> is
> > at
> > > > > this
> > > > > > stage,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Monte

Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Yeah, I just discovered that a little while ago.  So, is there a bug
report?  Should I file one?  I didn't see one in the list.  The only PP bug
I see is the one I filed a couple months ago on the other issue.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some
> provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of
> error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button.
>
> So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on the
> device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a
> descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone.
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Well,
> > Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a new
> > app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report
> > App created
> > Remote debugger selected in inclusions
> > profile selected, ios selected for build, name set
> > Phone set as test target
> > Nets are the same
> > Hit test
> > Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone.
> > (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to
> do)
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he
> > same
> > > internet connection
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Panos
> > > --
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is
> > > > recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test
> kept
> > > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it.  I
> > > didn't
> > > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> > > > > use-livecode"  > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar
> widget
> > > > > example -
> > > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to
> > > uninstall
> > > > it
> > > > > using the extension manager, should you wish!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bug 20327.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd
> via
> > > > > > use-livecode"  behalf
> > > of
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC
> 8
> > > that
> > > > > I have
> > > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte
> > > Goulding
> > > > > via
> > > > > > use-livecode"  behalf
> > > of
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via
> > use-livecode
> > > <
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be
> > > interested
> > > > > to know
> > > > > > what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the
> > offending
> > > > > > inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is
> at
> > > > this
> > > > > stage,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monte
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

I believe a lot of users will be excited by this release (including
myself), since several known long-standing issues are addressed. Just a
sample of them:

9992 Export snapshot fails on iOS
16029 AppleScript dictionary seems to be absent
17098 Cursor does not move after hitting TAB when tab is right-aligned
17639 Cursor in fields renders in wrong position in fields with
fixedLineHeight=false
18955 Browser widget crashes LC from 
19080 Building iOS standalone can result in ARM/iOS version error
19420 Calling quit causes Android app to crash on next launch if Android is
still retaining the app in RAM
19713 Images placed on Windows clipboard won't paste into Paint
20209 Incorrect text colour following copy and paste into 3rd party app
20231 Windows standalone crashes on quit when taskbar is hidden
20232 New folder separator char inconsistency on Windows
20282 the engine folder uses "\" in paths on Windows
20298 !r for menu item flag displays check mark instead of diamond
20310 Error accessing image data that Windows Paint puts on clipboard
20321 No default value in the ask window if the text contains char 0

Best,
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Exciting.
>
> Why am I excited every time there is a new LiveCode release?
>
> Because there is always something new to fiddle around with!
>
> Lovely!
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 9/5/17 5:45 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.
>>
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
>> via
>> the automatic updater.
>>
>>
>> Release Contents
>> 
>>
>> LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and
>> stability improvements:
>>
>> - Several regressions have been fixed.
>> - New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs
>> is included (Indy + Business edition)
>>
>> The full release notes are available from:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf
>>
>>
>> Feedback
>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>>
>>
>> Have fun!
>> The LiveCode Team
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Re: TSNet error 6

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

If you are referring to the server using an IP address, then DNS is out of the 
equation, unless tsnet is internally trying to resolve a DNS name, which it 
might if signed SSL certificates are involved. If that is the case, then yes, 
it is out of your control, much like my Forms Generator app, when the local IT 
at a site has locked down outbound connections to SQL servers, or all DNS 
queries go through their content management system. 

In these cases, knowing the IP of the certificate server (like go daddy or 
network solutions) would not help as these are usually server farms and the IP 
address can change moment to moment. DNS is essential. It is possible (though 
definitely not prescribed) to create a hosts entry for one of the IP addresses 
of the cert authority, but there is no guarantee that server will be online in 
the future. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 13:41 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is for an Android app that can be run from anywhere, so I don't have 
> control over the routers or servers. (And yeah, I didn't quite get everything 
> you were talking about, I'm a network novice.)
> 
> The apps run fine for most people and only get this error with a few users. I 
> think you're basically saying there's no cure, right?
> 
> If the web site has a static IP and the Android app uses that instead of a 
> domain name, will that fix it? The app is communicating with a database on 
> the web server.


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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

If the app never installs on the phone, it is likely because of some
provisioning profile-related issue (arghh!). Unfortunately this kind of
error msgs are not shown when using the "Test" button.

So I suggest you build an iOS standalone and try to install the app on the
device using Xcode. This will (hopefully) show an error dialog with a
descriptive msg when it tries to install the app into the phone.

Best,
Panos
--

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well,
> Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a new
> app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report
> App created
> Remote debugger selected in inclusions
> profile selected, ios selected for build, name set
> Phone set as test target
> Nets are the same
> Hit test
> Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone.
> (cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to do)
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he
> same
> > internet connection
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is
> > > recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept
> > > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it.  I
> > didn't
> > > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix
> it.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
> > > >
> > > > Terry...
> > > >
> > > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> > > > use-livecode"  > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget
> > > > example -
> > > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to
> > uninstall
> > > it
> > > > using the extension manager, should you wish!
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bug 20327.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via
> > > > > use-livecode"  > of
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC 8
> > that
> > > > I have
> > > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte
> > Goulding
> > > > via
> > > > > use-livecode"  > of
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via
> use-livecode
> > <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be
> > interested
> > > > to know
> > > > > what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the
> offending
> > > > > inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is at
> > > this
> > > > stage,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Monte
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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Well,
Because if my funky remote debug crashing, yesterday, I just built a new
app to see if I can reproduce the crash so I can file a bug report
App created
Remote debugger selected in inclusions
profile selected, ios selected for build, name set
Phone set as test target
Nets are the same
Hit test
Everything seems ok, but the app never installs on the phone.
(cringes and waits for someone to point out the silly thing I forgot to do)

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he same
> internet connection
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is
> > recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept
> > disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it.  I
> didn't
> > come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix it.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
> > >
> > > Terry...
> > >
> > > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> > > use-livecode"  > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget
> > > example -
> > > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to
> uninstall
> > it
> > > using the extension manager, should you wish!
> > >
> > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bug 20327.
> > > >
> > > > Terry...
> > > >
> > > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via
> > > > use-livecode"  of
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC 8
> that
> > > I have
> > > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> > > >
> > > > Terry...
> > > >
> > > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte
> Goulding
> > > via
> > > > use-livecode"  of
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode
> <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be
> interested
> > > to know
> > > > what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
> > > >
> > > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending
> > > > inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is at
> > this
> > > stage,
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
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RE: [OT] Hello World

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
for that purpose.

It was a good read. Congrats!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
someone is spamming the list with a drive by. 

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. 

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
link. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
 wrote:
> 
> Page 71
> 
>
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> 
> Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: TSNet error 6

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

What does, "a server being monitored" mean? How do I monitor a server??

Bob S


> On Sep 2, 2017, at 13:44 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> reachabilityChanged


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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

You also have to make sure that both the phone and your machine use he same
internet connection

Best,
Panos
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is
> recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept
> disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it.  I didn't
> come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
> >
> > Terry...
> >
> > On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> > use-livecode"  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget
> > example -
> > I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall
> it
> > using the extension manager, should you wish!
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bug 20327.
> > >
> > > Terry...
> > >
> > > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via
> > > use-livecode"  > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that
> > I have
> > > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> > >
> > > Terry...
> > >
> > > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding
> > via
> > > use-livecode"  > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be interested
> > to know
> > > what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
> > >
> > > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending
> > > inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is at
> this
> > stage,
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Monte
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Re: [off]macbook model

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Yeah but the point is that we have to. Apple should include a simple one if 
they expect people to upgrade. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:48 , Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you get a new MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) ports
> there are a couple of nice docks which will split out most of the
> standard old ports. Both Belkin and Plugable make them
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Supports-DisplayPort/dp/B06ZYR66QB
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Docking-Station-Delivery-Charging/dp/B073JDZGKK/ref=sr_1_8
> 
> I hope that helps someone.
> 
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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and 
someone is spamming the list with a drive by. 

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can tell 
who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to use L/D 
for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is something a spammer 
could easily put in the email themselves. 

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to 
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do what 
we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the link. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Page 71
> 
> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> 
> Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Exciting.

Why am I excited every time there is a new LiveCode release?

Because there is always something new to fiddle around with!

Lovely!

Richmond.

On 9/5/17 5:45 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and
stability improvements:

- Several regressions have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included (Indy + Business edition)

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
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[ANN] Release 8.1.7 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.7 RC-1 contains 34 bug fixes, as well as security and
stability improvements:

- Several regressions have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.3.1) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included (Indy + Business edition)

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_7/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_7_rc_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

You also have to set the test target, and make sure your device is
recognized.  Yesterday, for example, the phone I was using to test kept
disappearing from the list, so I had to disconnect/reconnect it.  I didn't
come up with a recipe that would let the team dive in and try to fix it.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)
>
> Terry...
>
> On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget
> example -
> I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall it
> using the extension manager, should you wish!
>
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Bug 20327.
> >
> > Terry...
> >
> > On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via
> > use-livecode"  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that
> I have
> > (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
> >
> > Terry...
> >
> > On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding
> via
> > use-livecode"  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be interested
> to know
> > what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
> >
> > Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending
> > inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is at this
> stage,
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
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Re: customPropertyless

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thanks Mark and Klaus both!

Richmond.

On 9/5/17 5:03 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 05.09.2017 um 15:58 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
:

I have a button called "XXX" and it has 3 customProperties; "AA", "BB" & "CC"

and this works  very well indeed:

onmouseEnter

put"AA=" & (theAA ofme) & cr & "BB=" & (theBB ofme) & cr & "CC=" & (theCC ofme) intofld 
"propps"

endmouseEnter

But this does NOT:

onmouseEnter

putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps"

endmouseEnter

this is a Pain-In-the-Bum for objects that have an unknown number of 
customProps . . .

but this DOES:
on mouseEnter
   put the customkeys of me into fld "propps"
end mouseEnter


Richmond.

Best

Klaus

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Re: customPropertyless

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

> Am 05.09.2017 um 15:58 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I have a button called "XXX" and it has 3 customProperties; "AA", "BB" & "CC"
> 
> and this works  very well indeed:
> 
> onmouseEnter
> 
> put"AA=" & (theAA ofme) & cr & "BB=" & (theBB ofme) & cr & "CC=" & (theCC 
> ofme) intofld "propps"
> 
> endmouseEnter
> 
> But this does NOT:
> 
> onmouseEnter
> 
> putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps"
> 
> endmouseEnter
> 
> this is a Pain-In-the-Bum for objects that have an unknown number of 
> customProps . . .

but this DOES:
on mouseEnter
  put the customkeys of me into fld "propps"
end mouseEnter

> Richmond.

Best

Klaus

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Re: customPropertyless

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-09-05 15:58, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

onmouseEnter

putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps"

endmouseEnter


The 'customProperties' property returns an array... So try:

  put the keys of (the customProperties of me) into fld "propps"

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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customPropertyless

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I have a button called "XXX" and it has 3 customProperties; "AA", "BB" & 
"CC"


and this works  very well indeed:

onmouseEnter

put"AA=" & (theAA ofme) & cr & "BB=" & (theBB ofme) & cr & "CC=" & 
(theCC ofme) intofld "propps"


endmouseEnter

But this does NOT:

onmouseEnter

putthe customProperties of meintofld "propps"

endmouseEnter

this is a Pain-In-the-Bum for objects that have an unknown number of 
customProps . . .


Richmond.

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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

That last paragraph should say "My Files app" not "Amy Files app"

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:11 AM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> A few more pointers:
> 
> You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac.
> 
> You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find 
> instructions for this online.
> 
> When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in 
> Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file 
> transfer.
> 
> After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file 
> transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a 
> convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app.
> 
> In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you 
> transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:22 AM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Are you able to produce the android standalone file?
>> 
>> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I 
>> find it much easier than iOS.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but 
>>> I'm completely confused!
>>> 
>>> On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and 
>>> set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root.  However, I can't see how I 
>>> get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options 
>>> for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a 
>>> new project.
>>> 
>>> I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in 
>>> sequence.  I'm trying to do the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my 
>>> Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. 
>>> 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be 
>>> able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community.
>>> 
>>> In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet 
>>> (2017).  For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've 
>>> persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and 
>>> providing tutoring support.  Between us, we're hoping to develop a very 
>>> simple app to help aged relatives and friends.
>>> 
>>> LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over 
>>> the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments).  
>>> However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and 
>>> tortuous!
>>> 
>>> Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development 
>>> facilities.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> --
>>> Peter Reid
>>> Loughborough, UK
>>> 
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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

A few more pointers:

You need to have Android File Transfer installed on your Mac.

You need to put the android device into developer mode. You can find 
instructions for this online.

When you connect the device to a Mac you need to go into the settings in 
Android and change the setting for the connection from charging to file 
transfer.

After you are in developer mode and after you have set it to allow file 
transfers, drag the Android standalone file from your Mac finder app into a 
convenient folder in the Android File Transfer app.

In the Android device, open up the Amy Files app and click on the file you 
transferred. This will install the app. You can run it from there.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:22 AM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Are you able to produce the android standalone file?
> 
> I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I 
> find it much easier than iOS.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but 
>> I'm completely confused!
>> 
>> On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and 
>> set up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root.  However, I can't see how I 
>> get to specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options 
>> for this, but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a 
>> new project.
>> 
>> I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in 
>> sequence.  I'm trying to do the following:
>> 
>> 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my 
>> Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. 
>> 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be 
>> able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community.
>> 
>> In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet 
>> (2017).  For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've 
>> persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing 
>> tutoring support.  Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to 
>> help aged relatives and friends.
>> 
>> LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over 
>> the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments).  
>> However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and 
>> tortuous!
>> 
>> Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development 
>> facilities.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter Reid
>> Loughborough, UK
>> 
>> 
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Re: Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Hi Peter,

Are you able to produce the android standalone file?

I just copy that file to my android device and click on it to install it. I 
find it much easier than iOS.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Peter Reid via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but I'm 
> completely confused!
> 
> On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and set 
> up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root.  However, I can't see how I get to 
> specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options for this, 
> but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a new project.
> 
> I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in 
> sequence.  I'm trying to do the following:
> 
> 1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my 
> Mac (macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. 
> 2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be 
> able to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community.
> 
> In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet 
> (2017).  For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've 
> persuaded them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing 
> tutoring support.  Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to 
> help aged relatives and friends.
> 
> LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over 
> the 18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments).  
> However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and 
> tortuous!
> 
> Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development 
> facilities.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter Reid
> Loughborough, UK
> 
> 
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Deploying to Android (Amazon Fire 7)

[Peter Reid via use-livecode]

OK, I've been round the various circles (Lessons, Forum trails, etc.) but I'm 
completely confused!

On my Mac, I've tried installing Java SDK 8.144, Android Studio 2.3.3 and set 
up LC 8.1.6 to point at the Android root.  However, I can't see how I get to 
specify an Android device - a previous Android SDK had menu options for this, 
but the Studio doesn't seem to offer this without diving into a new project.

I'm a simple animal who needs a straightforward list of things to do in 
sequence.  I'm trying to do the following:

1. For me, install whatever I need to be able to develop Android apps on my Mac 
(macOS Sierra 10.12.6), with LiveCode 8.1.6 Business. 
2. For a friend running Windows 7 64-bit, install whatever they need to be able 
to develop Android apps with LiveCode 8.1.6 Community.

In both cases, the target device is the latest spec. Amazon Fire 7 Tablet 
(2017).  For my friend, this is their 1st go at programming and I've persuaded 
them to try LiveCode, with me setting it up for them and providing tutoring 
support.  Between us, we're hoping to develop a very simple app to help aged 
relatives and friends.

LiveCode emphasises ease and speed of development, which I agree with over the 
18 years I've used it (almost completely desktop/laptop developments).  
However, getting set up for mobile development is confusing, tedious and 
tortuous!

Please can someone give me 2 step-by-step guides for these 2 development 
facilities.

Thanks

Peter
--
Peter Reid
Loughborough, UK


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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Terry Judd via use-livecode]

Thanks Ali – I’ll probably just ignore it from now on ;)

Terry...

On 5/09/2017 5:26 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Ali Lloyd via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget example -
I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall it
using the extension manager, should you wish!

On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bug 20327.
>
> Terry...
>
> On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that I have
> (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
>
> Terry...
>
> On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be interested to know
> what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
>
> Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending
> inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is at this 
stage,
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

The date support library I think was used for the calendar widget example -
I don't think it comes with the ide. You should be able to uninstall it
using the extension manager, should you wish!

On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 at 04:28, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bug 20327.
>
> Terry...
>
> On 5/09/2017 1:19 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> OK will do – it seems to be present in all version of LC 8 that I have
> (8.1.3, 8.1.4 and 8.1.6) as well as LC 9.0.0 (dp 8).
>
> Terry...
>
> On 5/09/2017 1:09 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2017, at 1:08 pm, Terry Judd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seems like it’s not required anyway. Would be interested to know
> what it does (or doesn’t do) though.
>
> Can you open a report with a screenshot of the offending
> inclusion. Something isn’t right but I’m not sure what it is at this stage,
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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